Re: Score vs. Individual Parts

[Silvain Dupertuis]

As far as reducing the size of the paper,
if it you just need to reduce it without any change in the layout,
it is easy to do it at the level of the PDF output.
Just print the PDF output to a new PDF with a certain percentage of scaling and choosing a 
personal page size (or choosing the page size and fit to page) will do the trick.

Silvain

Le 13.09.22 à 07:41, Eef Weenink a écrit :

Gilles Thibout made a very well lilypond library what handles all you are 
asking for.

https://github.com/gilles-th/arranger.ly

It has a steep learning line(at least my experience). Once the notes of your composition 
are written down, you do not need to copy them again.


Check it out, it might be what you need.

Met vriendelijke groet, Eef

H.E. Weenink MBA

Op 12 sep. 2022 om 19:28 heeft Greg Lindstrom  het volgende 
geschreven:



I have created my first full score for brass band and euphonium solo using Lilypond 
(and Frescobaldi). The score looks wonderful; I've had it bound at a local print shop 
and it looks downright professional. There are a number of things to correct and I've 
created an issue for each and will correct them and reengrave. Being a 
professional computer programmer, I went to the trouble of checking everything into a 
code repository (github) to ensure I can track all my changes and not lose all this 
work if my computer decides to die.


I've ordered the Lilypond manual from Lulu and plan to read through it to learn more 
about Lilypond; I do much better with printed media rather than electronic. but have 
questions:


 1. I'd like to place line and page breaks in the individual parts. Being a 
player, I
appreciate when consideration is taken as to where page breaks fall. I have
individual files for each part with the "notes" in a separate file and the 
score
bringing everything together. Is it possible to place breaks in the part so 
it does
not affect the score?
 2. The score looks best on 11" x 17" paper but the first print shop I 
contacted could
not spiral bind anything that large (I found another shop which could do it 
and I'm
glad I did). I set the paper size in the score to 8.5" x 11" and while 
things can
fit, it is extremely cramped. Is there a setting to reduce the size of 
everything
(staves, notes, dynamics, etc.) as I reduce the paper size?
 3. On the individual part, I'd like to place the instrument name in the upper 
left
corner of the page. Currently, it is on the first staff.
 4. Can I place a header on the second and following pages which would show the 
title
and page number of the piece in a smaller font than the first page?

Perhaps all of this is in the manual which will be arriving in the next few days. But 
any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks for your help. I hope to start writing code snippets and answering questions as 
I gain more experience.


---greg



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Re: Score vs. Individual Parts

[Eef Weenink]

Gilles Thibout made a very well lilypond library what handles all you are 
asking for.

https://github.com/gilles-th/arranger.ly

It has a steep learning line(at least my experience). Once the notes of your 
composition are written down, you do not need to copy them again.

Check it out, it might be what you need.

Met vriendelijke groet, Eef

H.E. Weenink MBA

Op 12 sep. 2022 om 19:28 heeft Greg Lindstrom  het 
volgende geschreven:


I have created my first full score for brass band and euphonium solo using 
Lilypond (and Frescobaldi). The score looks wonderful; I've had it bound at a 
local print shop and it looks downright professional. There are a number of 
things to correct and I've created an issue for each and will correct them and 
reengrave. Being a professional computer programmer, I went to the trouble of 
checking everything into a code repository (github) to ensure I can track all 
my changes and not lose all this work if my computer decides to die.

I've ordered the Lilypond manual from Lulu and plan to read through it to learn 
more about Lilypond; I do much better with printed media rather than 
electronic. but have questions:

  1.  I'd like to place line and page breaks in the individual parts. Being a 
player, I appreciate when consideration is taken as to where page breaks fall. 
I have individual files for each part with the "notes" in a separate file and 
the score bringing everything together. Is it possible to place breaks in the 
part so it does not affect the score?
  2.  The score looks best on 11" x 17" paper but the first print shop I 
contacted could not spiral bind anything that large (I found another shop which 
could do it and I'm glad I did). I set the paper size in the score to 8.5" x 
11" and while things can fit, it is extremely cramped. Is there a setting to 
reduce the size of everything (staves, notes, dynamics, etc.) as I reduce the 
paper size?
  3.  On the individual part, I'd like to place the instrument name in the 
upper left corner of the page. Currently, it is on the first staff.
  4.  Can I place a header on the second and following pages which would show 
the title and page number of the piece in a smaller font than the first page?

Perhaps all of this is in the manual which will be arriving in the next few 
days. But any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help. I hope to start writing code snippets and answering 
questions as I gain more experience.

---greg

Re: Score vs. Individual Parts

[Wol]

On 12/09/2022 18:25, Greg Lindstrom wrote:
I have created my first full score for brass band and euphonium solo 
using Lilypond (and Frescobaldi). The score looks wonderful; I've had it 
bound at a local print shop and it looks downright professional. There 
are a number of things to correct and I've created an issue for each and 
will correct them and reengrave. Being a professional computer 
programmer, I went to the trouble of checking everything into a code 
repository (github) to ensure I can track all my changes and not lose 
all this work if my computer decides to die.


I've ordered the Lilypond manual from Lulu and plan to read through it 
to learn more about Lilypond; I do much better with printed media rather 
than electronic. but have questions:


 1. I'd like to place line and page breaks in the individual parts.
Being a player, I appreciate when consideration is taken as to where
page breaks fall. I have individual files for each part with the
"notes" in a separate file and the score bringing everything
together. Is it possible to place breaks in the part so it does not
affect the score?


Dead easy. Different approach to Valentin, but I always create a part 
that is the music structure. No notes, just spacers, with all the 
rehearsal marks, repeats, that sort of stuff. Then I overlay the notes 
and if there is a mistake in either, it sticks out. I've had at least 
one piece where the copy parts had gone wrong, so the two parts and the 
structure all fought each other. Get that right for one part and it 
makes all the other parts easy.


Okay - that's not what you were asking, but just as I have two parts - 
overlaying the notes and the music, there's absolutely no reason why you 
can't overlay a third part - the page structure, spacers, line breaks, 
page breaks, ...



 2. The score looks best on 11" x 17" paper but the first print shop
I contacted could not spiral bind anything that large (I found
another shop which could do it and I'm glad I did). I set the paper
size in the score to 8.5" x 11" and while things can fit, it is
extremely cramped. Is there a setting to reduce the size of
everything (staves, notes, dynamics, etc.) as I reduce the paper size?


Again, somewhere there is, and you just place that in the part file. I 
don't think it "scales with the size of the paper", but you will need a 
separate file for each part (what I call a part file) with the paper 
settings etc, and the scale settings just go in that.



 3. On the individual part, I'd like to place the instrument name in the
upper left corner of the page. Currently, it is on the first staff.


Same as 2, you just set the settings differently in the part file.


 4. Can I place a header on the second and following pages which would
show the title and page number of the piece in a smaller font than
the first page?


Again, same as 2. I've actually redefined the header .ly file (which is 
orchestral defaults) with a replacement that is more Brass Band defaults.


So much of what lilypond does is actually pull in a bunch of .ly macros 
and defaults, any of which you can over-ride and replace. So that's what 
I've done.


Perhaps all of this is in the manual which will be arriving in the next 
few days. But any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks for your help. I hope to start writing code snippets and 
answering questions as I gain more experience.


Dunno how you've laid out your current file, but I break all my bits 
into separate music variables. So I have a file for all the trombone 
parts in separate variables, likewise, cornet, bass etc etc.


As I said, a variable for the music structure ... all these are suffixed 
.ily (lilypond insert files).


And then my score and parts are in .ly files, and contain things like 
the \score structure, the \paper structure, the \layout, etc etc.


So a single piece will be splatted across quite a few files. But because 
everything makes heavy use of includes, it's all coherent.


One thing I ALWAYS ALWAYS do (because I'm a trombonist, I learnt in a 
Brass Band, then had a teacher who was an orchestra guy, NOT a brass 
band guy, so I read both treble and bass properly), is make sure ALL my 
music variables are in concert pitch.


If it's a treble clef part, the notes are wrapped in a "\transpose c' Bf 
{}", (or Ef, or F, or whatever whatever). If it's a bass clef part it's 
wrapped in "\transpose c' c' {}". I know that last seems odd, but it 
tells me that this part *has* been transposed, and *is* in concert.


Then when I output the part, I simply wrap it in "\transpose bf c' {}" 
for a treble part, or "\transpose c' c' {}" for a bass part. I don't 
have to think or worry about what sort of part my original was (and on 
the odd occasion where it matters, I also know whether my input part was 
treble or bass. I have VERY RARELY had the odd BF part in bass clef. 
Extremely confusing ...).


Cheers,
Wol

Re: Score vs. Individual Parts

[Valentin Petzel]

Hello Greg,

I will not give a very detailed answer because I do not have time to spend on 
so many 
points, but I hope to give you the right direction:

@1) Checkout tags in lilypond. You can tag line breaks like \tag #'part \break

@2) Checkout the documentation about changing the staff size:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/notation/setting-the-staff-size[1]

@3) Checkout this part of the documentation:
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/notation/custom-titles-headers-and-footers[2]

Lilypond uses special markups for title, headers and footers. The default 
implementation 
can be found in the installation directory of Lilypond in ly/titling-init.ly. 
You can redefine 
these things in a paper block to create any design of your choice.

@4) See the answer for 3)

Cheers,
Valentin

Am Montag, 12. September 2022, 19:25:39 CEST schrieb Greg Lindstrom:
> I have created my first full score for brass band and euphonium solo using
> Lilypond (and Frescobaldi). The score looks wonderful; I've had it bound at
> a local print shop and it looks downright professional. There are a number
> of things to correct and I've created an issue for each and will correct
> them and reengrave. Being a professional computer programmer, I went to the
> trouble of checking everything into a code repository (github) to ensure I
> can track all my changes and not lose all this work if my computer decides
> to die.
> 
> I've ordered the Lilypond manual from Lulu and plan to read through it to
> learn more about Lilypond; I do much better with printed media rather than
> electronic. but have questions:
> 
>1. I'd like to place line and page breaks in the individual parts. Being
>a player, I appreciate when consideration is taken as to where page
> breaks fall. I have individual files for each part with the "notes" in a
> separate file and the score bringing everything together. Is it possible to
> place breaks in the part so it does not affect the score?
>2. The score looks best on 11" x 17" paper but the first print shop
>I contacted could not spiral bind anything that large (I found another
> shop which could do it and I'm glad I did). I set the paper size in the
> score to 8.5" x 11" and while things can fit, it is extremely cramped. Is
> there a setting to reduce the size of everything (staves, notes, dynamics,
> etc.) as I reduce the paper size?
>3. On the individual part, I'd like to place the instrument name in the
>upper left corner of the page. Currently, it is on the first staff.
>4. Can I place a header on the second and following pages which would
>show the title and page number of the piece in a smaller font than the
>first page?
> 
> Perhaps all of this is in the manual which will be arriving in the next few
> days. But any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks for your help. I hope to start writing code snippets and answering
> questions as I gain more experience.
> 
> ---greg




[1] http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/notation/setting-the-staff-size
[2] 
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/notation/custom-titles-headers-and-footers


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Score vs. Individual Parts

[Greg Lindstrom]

I have created my first full score for brass band and euphonium solo using
Lilypond (and Frescobaldi). The score looks wonderful; I've had it bound at
a local print shop and it looks downright professional. There are a number
of things to correct and I've created an issue for each and will correct
them and reengrave. Being a professional computer programmer, I went to the
trouble of checking everything into a code repository (github) to ensure I
can track all my changes and not lose all this work if my computer decides
to die.

I've ordered the Lilypond manual from Lulu and plan to read through it to
learn more about Lilypond; I do much better with printed media rather than
electronic. but have questions:

   1. I'd like to place line and page breaks in the individual parts. Being
   a player, I appreciate when consideration is taken as to where page breaks
   fall. I have individual files for each part with the "notes" in a separate
   file and the score bringing everything together. Is it possible to place
   breaks in the part so it does not affect the score?
   2. The score looks best on 11" x 17" paper but the first print shop
   I contacted could not spiral bind anything that large (I found another shop
   which could do it and I'm glad I did). I set the paper size in the score to
   8.5" x 11" and while things can fit, it is extremely cramped. Is there a
   setting to reduce the size of everything (staves, notes, dynamics, etc.) as
   I reduce the paper size?
   3. On the individual part, I'd like to place the instrument name in the
   upper left corner of the page. Currently, it is on the first staff.
   4. Can I place a header on the second and following pages which would
   show the title and page number of the piece in a smaller font than the
   first page?

Perhaps all of this is in the manual which will be arriving in the next few
days. But any help or direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your help. I hope to start writing code snippets and answering
questions as I gain more experience.

---greg