Re: Sometimes order is significant

2015-05-26 Thread Wols Lists 
On 26/05/15 15:02, Knute Snortum wrote:
 Thanks for the reply and the cheat sheet.
 
The way I look at it, is to look at the *meaning*, not the *representation*.

First, you need the note, eg C above middle C, which is c''. Next
comes whether to display any accidentals, which is a property of the
note, as is the length. So logically those could be swapped, but I think
lily says they have to be in that order.

Finally come all the ornamentations - accents, markups, dynamics, etc
which have no tight binding to the note, only the note location, so can
come in any order. I have my own consistent pattern, but that's just to
make it easy for me, lily doesn't care.

Cheers,
Wol
 
 Knute Snortum
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 On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Nathan Ho when.possi...@gmail.com
 mailto:when.possi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Nathan Ho when.possi...@gmail.com
 mailto:when.possi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 This cheat sheet shows many note syntax elements in the correct
 order:
 
 http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_2.18_en.pdf
 
 It seems that all the components starting with string number can
 be placed in any order.
 
 
 Here's a more formal answer which can be found by delving into the
 LilyPond grammar.
 
 http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/contributor/lilypond-grammar
 
 To oversimplify, a monophonic note is divided into a simple_event
 and any number of post_events. A simple_event breaks down like so:
 
 - pitch (note name + octave)
 - forced accidental markers
 - octave check
 - note duration and multiplier
 - \rest
 
 Beams, slurs, articulations, fingerings, etc. all fall under
 post_events, which can occur in any order.
 
 Regards,
 Nathan
 
 
 
 
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Re: Sometimes order is significant

2015-05-26 Thread Knute Snortum 
Thanks for the reply and the cheat sheet.


Knute Snortum
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On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Nathan Ho when.possi...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Nathan Ho when.possi...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 This cheat sheet shows many note syntax elements in the correct order:

 http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_2.18_en.pdf

 It seems that all the components starting with string number can be
 placed in any order.


 Here's a more formal answer which can be found by delving into the
 LilyPond grammar.
 http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/contributor/lilypond-grammar

 To oversimplify, a monophonic note is divided into a simple_event and
 any number of post_events. A simple_event breaks down like so:

 - pitch (note name + octave)
 - forced accidental markers
 - octave check
 - note duration and multiplier
 - \rest

 Beams, slurs, articulations, fingerings, etc. all fall under post_events,
 which can occur in any order.

 Regards,
 Nathan

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Sometimes order is significant

2015-05-25 Thread Knute Snortum 
I've noticed over the months I've been using LilyPond that there are some
parts of the syntax that depend on order and some that don't.  For example:

{ c'!8 }

Everything about must be in the exact order -- the note letter, the octave
indicator, the force accidental, and the rhythm.  Are there others?

Everything else I can think of can be in any order.

{ c---.~([ }

And so on.  Is this worth mentioning in the documentation somewhere?
Specifically, I had to do a little experimenting to figure out where the
forced accidental markers (!?) were places syntactically.

Knute Snortum
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Re: Sometimes order is significant

2015-05-25 Thread Nathan Ho 
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Knute Snortum ksnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've noticed over the months I've been using LilyPond that there are some
 parts of the syntax that depend on order and some that don't.  For example:

 { c'!8 }

 Everything about must be in the exact order -- the note letter, the octave
 indicator, the force accidental, and the rhythm.  Are there others?

 Everything else I can think of can be in any order.

 { c---.~([ }

 And so on.  Is this worth mentioning in the documentation somewhere?
 Specifically, I had to do a little experimenting to figure out where the
 forced accidental markers (!?) were places syntactically.


This cheat sheet shows many note syntax elements in the correct order:

http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_2.18_en.pdf

It seems that all the components starting with string number can be placed
in any order.

Regards,
Nathan
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Re: Sometimes order is significant

2015-05-25 Thread Nathan Ho 
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Nathan Ho when.possi...@gmail.com wrote:


 This cheat sheet shows many note syntax elements in the correct order:

 http://joramberger.de/files/lilypond_sheet_2.18_en.pdf

 It seems that all the components starting with string number can be placed
 in any order.


Here's a more formal answer which can be found by delving into the LilyPond
grammar.
http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/contributor/lilypond-grammar

To oversimplify, a monophonic note is divided into a simple_event and any
number of post_events. A simple_event breaks down like so:

- pitch (note name + octave)
- forced accidental markers
- octave check
- note duration and multiplier
- \rest

Beams, slurs, articulations, fingerings, etc. all fall under post_events,
which can occur in any order.

Regards,
Nathan
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