Re: Three slurs from a single voice to three voices?
Hi Kevin,
On 02/06/2022 22:56, Kevin Cole wrote:
The hand-written score I'm looking at shows an F# with three slurs
coming off of it going to each of the three notes in the following
measure. I tried the following but it only shows one slur. What did I
miss?
without context it’s hard to tell what the original notation wanted to
achieve, so this is only one suggestion to fix some aspects that may or
may not fit that context.
– One technical issue is this: If you write
\new Voice \voiceTwo { c4 }
then the Voice you explicitly created will contain _only_ the \voiceTwo
command. The following music expression is separate and will again go
into the voice context you were previously in. Move the brace:
\new Voice { \voiceTwo c4 }
Now there’s only one music expression which goes into the new Voice, and
the \voiceTwo command works on the following music.
– LilyPond has a way of having slurs across Voices by moving
Slur_engraver to the Staff (or a higher-level) context and linking the
slurs like this:
{
fs'4\=1 ( \=2 (
<<
{ \voiceOne b'4\=1 ) }
\new Voice { \voiceTwo d'4\=2 ) }
>>
}
However, it isn’t very good (yet?) at making this look good, and in fact
it can quickly get very difficult to make it look good at all.
– In general, having more than two independent parts on one Staff
usually leads to difficult engraving issues that would generally be best
solved by using more than one Staff, especially if it’s vocal music with
Lyrics on top of everything.
What I suggest here is merging the bottom two parts into one Voice since
they share the same rhythm. Note how the two music expressions end up in
one Voice, and only the third one doesn’t because of the \new Voice.
%%%
\version "2.22.1"
\language "english"
\new Staff {
\relative c' {
\time 4/4
\key d \major
d2 r4
<<
{
\voiceTwo
fs4(
d2) cs4 cs4 |
d2 d2 |
}
{
s4
b2 as4 as4 |
b2 b2 |
}
\new Voice {
\voiceOne
fs'4~
fs4( g) g4 fs4 |
fs4( b4) b2 |
}
>>
\oneVoice
}
}
This will work with Lyrics as well, since the Voice context first
created continues all the way through.
HTH, Simon
Re: Three slurs from a single voice to three voices?
Thanks for the suggestions. I'm working from a 3-ring binder of songs collected via photocopying and hand-transcription that a group of us used to sing and play from 30 years ago. I have no idea who scrawled this tune in. But, seeing as how most (if not all) of us were amateurs, it is very possible that the person doing the transcription got something wrong. I'm still bad enough at this that I wouldn't recognize "wrong". It's not an original. My initial thought was to, as much as possible, faithfully transcribe what I have in the binder. The hand-writing is so bad that I had trouble deciphering the lyrics -- and the title, but digging around a bit, it appears to be an arrangement -- perhaps by one of our members from the now long-defunct group -- of "Adoramus te Christe". (Not one of the songs we did often enough for me to remember it.) The score looks to be SAB1B2 + Piano. And the lyrics that I can make out don't strictly follow the lyrics I'm finding online. I may try to dig up a more official and better-printed version, now that the feedback I'm getting is that the arrangement is "odd" in that section I was asking about.
Re: Three slurs from a single voice to three voices?
You only start one slur, so you only get one. If you try extra notes, you have
to ensure that the voices are such that they will combine. However, you could
in this case specify a tie to the note that's the same, a slur to the note
below, and a phrasing slur to the bottom note, so your starting note has these
piled up after it like so: fs4~(\( . But the result is clashing slurs, so
you'll need to use the \shape tweak to adjust the position of at least one of
them.
But to me this seems a very odd way to write this...
Paul
From: Kevin Cole
To: lilypond-user mailinglist
Sent: 02/06/2022 21:56
Subject: Three slurs from a single voice to three voices?
Hi,
The hand-written score I'm looking at shows an F# with three slurs
coming off of it going to each of the three notes in the following
measure. I tried the following but it only shows one slur. What did I
miss?
\version "2.22.1"
\language "english"
\new Staff {
\relative c' {
\time 4/4
\key d \major
d2 r4 fs4( |
<<
\voiceOne {
fs4)( g) g4 fs4 |
fs4( b4) b2 |
}
\new Voice
\voiceTwo {
d,2) cs4 cs4 |
d2 d2 |
}
\new Voice
\voiceThree {
b2) as4 as4 |
b2 b2 |
}
>>
\oneVoice
}
}
(I also tried adding the starting F# to each of the three voices but
it made a two-headed F#. I didn't go so far as to add the F# to the
third voice, since it was messing up when I added it to the second,
and it seemed like there was probably a better solution than fighting
with the direction of the head for the single note, since it's one
more thing I don't know how to do, and seemed -- to me --
counter-intuitive as an approach.)
Three slurs from a single voice to three voices?
Hi,
The hand-written score I'm looking at shows an F# with three slurs
coming off of it going to each of the three notes in the following
measure. I tried the following but it only shows one slur. What did I
miss?
\version "2.22.1"
\language "english"
\new Staff {
\relative c' {
\time 4/4
\key d \major
d2 r4 fs4(|
<<
\voiceOne {
fs4)( g) g4 fs4 |
fs4( b4) b2 |
}
\new Voice
\voiceTwo {
d,2) cs4 cs4 |
d2 d2 |
}
\new Voice
\voiceThree {
b2) as4 as4 |
b2 b2 |
}
>>
\oneVoice
}
}
(I also tried adding the starting F# to each of the three voices but
it made a two-headed F#. I didn't go so far as to add the F# to the
third voice, since it was messing up when I added it to the second,
and it seemed like there was probably a better solution than fighting
with the direction of the head for the single note, since it's one
more thing I don't know how to do, and seemed -- to me --
counter-intuitive as an approach.)
