subject:"Vertically overlapping material \/ too small vertical space"

Re: Vertically overlapping material / too small vertical space

2016-11-30 Thread Mojca Miklavec

Dear David,

On 30 November 2016 at 20:14, David Kastrup wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec writes:
>>
>> I need a horizontally aligned list of button labels / fingerings. Most
>> of the time I need two labels, but every so often I need three or four
>> (when a chord consists of three or four pitches).
>>
>> I would prefer to use something like the following (please excuse me,
>> the syntax is not functional, but it should demonstrate what I want):
>>
>> 4
>> 4
>>
>> Here's a working syntax (demonstrating the problem / why I cannot use it):
>>
>>   \score {
>> \fixed c' {
>>   %
>>   % looks almost perfect, but I'm unable to use anything but simple 
>> numbers
>>   %
>>   f4-4   f-4
>>   %
>>   % proper text, but horrible output
>>   %
>>   f4^\markup{\column{"B4"}}
>>   ^\markup{\column{"B5" "B4"}}
>>   ^\markup{\column{"B6" "B5" "B4"}}
>>   f^\markup{\column{"B4"}}
>> }
>>   }
>
> How about
>
> f4\B4
> 
>  f\B4
> f\B4
>
> You'll probably want more than \B but probably still a very limited
> number of fingerings.

Wonderful, thanks a lot. I like the syntax a lot.

I would additionally still need an optional finger number, perhaps
with a syntax similar to:
f4\B4

 f\B4
so that "\B4-2" would result in "2B4", but I guess that should be
feasible to add.

What's still a mystery to me is whether it is possible to horizontally
align all these labels. (I remember that one can force lilypond to put
all fingerings on top, but I didn't manage to achieve proper
alignment.)

Mojca

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Re: Vertically overlapping material / too small vertical space

2016-11-30 Thread David Kastrup

Mojca Miklavec  writes:

> Dear Phil,
>
> On 30 November 2016 at 16:47, Phil Holmes wrote:
>> I think the use of  \context is getting the vertical spacing engine
>> confused.  I _think_ my attached version of your music does what you want -
>> it would seem to point in the right direction, at the very least.
>
> I changed your document slightly and rearranged it in the way I want it.
>
> But the problem is still present. So no, it doesn't seem to fix it.
>
>
> I need a horizontally aligned list of button labels / fingerings. Most
> of the time I need two labels, but every so often I need three or four
> (when a chord consists of three or four pitches).
>
> I would prefer to use something like the following (please excuse me,
> the syntax is not functional, but it should demonstrate what I want):
>
> 4
> 4
>
> Here's a working syntax (demonstrating the problem / why I cannot use it):
>
>   \score {
> \fixed c' {
>   %
>   % looks almost perfect, but I'm unable to use anything but simple 
> numbers
>   %
>   f4-4   f-4
>   %
>   % proper text, but horrible output
>   %
>   f4^\markup{\column{"B4"}}
>   ^\markup{\column{"B5" "B4"}}
>   ^\markup{\column{"B6" "B5" "B4"}}
>   f^\markup{\column{"B4"}}
> }
>   }

How about

B =
#(define-event-function (parser location d) (index?)
  #{ \tweak text #(format "B~d" d) -1#})

  \score {
\fixed c' {
  %
  % looks almost perfect, but I'm unable to use anything but simple numbers
  %
  f4-4   f-4
  %
  % proper text, but horrible output
  %
  f4^\markup{\column{"B4"}}
  ^\markup{\column{"B5" "B4"}}
  ^\markup{\column{"B6" "B5" "B4"}}
  f^\markup{\column{"B4"}}
  %%
  %% sugar and spice and everything nice
  %%
  f4\B4
  
   f\B4
  f\B4
}
  }

You'll probably want more than \B but probably still a very limited
number of fingerings.

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Re: Vertically overlapping material / too small vertical space

2016-11-30 Thread Mojca Miklavec

Dear Phil,

On 30 November 2016 at 16:47, Phil Holmes wrote:
> I think the use of  \context is getting the vertical spacing engine
> confused.  I _think_ my attached version of your music does what you want -
> it would seem to point in the right direction, at the very least.

I changed your document slightly and rearranged it in the way I want it.

But the problem is still present. So no, it doesn't seem to fix it.


I need a horizontally aligned list of button labels / fingerings. Most
of the time I need two labels, but every so often I need three or four
(when a chord consists of three or four pitches).

I would prefer to use something like the following (please excuse me,
the syntax is not functional, but it should demonstrate what I want):

4
4

Here's a working syntax (demonstrating the problem / why I cannot use it):

  \score {
\fixed c' {
  %
  % looks almost perfect, but I'm unable to use anything but simple numbers
  %
  f4-4   f-4
  %
  % proper text, but horrible output
  %
  f4^\markup{\column{"B4"}}
  ^\markup{\column{"B5" "B4"}}
  ^\markup{\column{"B6" "B5" "B4"}}
  f^\markup{\column{"B4"}}
}
  }

But this doesn't work: I'm unable to align it horizontally. That's the
reason why I'm currently misusing lyrics.

(Mis)using lyrics is both tedious and error-prone (if I change "c8"
into "c16 c" somewhere, then all the labels are screwed up and I have
to go through the tedious work of finding and fixing the labels at the
right place).

Your example works because you move the third and the fourth line. I
need them aligned above the first and second line though, even if it's
usually empty.

Mojca


> Hi,
>
> I'm also attaching a "quasi-minimal" example (if a full page may even
> be called "minimal").
>
> Mojca
>
> (please CC me)
>
> On 30 November 2016 at 12:06, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to ask for a bit of a guidance. I sometimes end up with
>> the scores as you see in the attachment. There's simply not enough
>> vertical space between staves and text is overlapping very badly.
>>
>> I can attach the complete example (or perhaps come up with some
>> "\repeat unfold ..." trick to compose a full page that more or less
>> reproduces the problem), but it's basically the same type of scores as
>> I used anywhere else in
>> https://github.com/mojca/frajtonarca/tree/master/tablature/avtorske
>>
>> On the example in the screenshot you see the following elements in one
>> stave:
>>
>> - button names are two lines of Lyrics attached on top of the melody
>> - Voice with the main melody
>> - accordion push spanner
>> - RhythmicStaff
>> - FiguredBass
>>
>> I didn't even try to touch the spacing inside the scores. The only
>> part where the code is messing up with vertical spacing is here:
>>
>> https://github.com/mojca/frajtonarca/blob/master/tablature/accordion.ily
>> in accordionPushSpannerEngraver (written by David Nalesnik) which is
>> something that I don't fully understand myself. But in theory it
>> should not affect distances between different staves, it should only
>> control the distance between main melody, push spanner event and the
>> basses.
>>
>> I was looking at
>> - http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/vertical-spacing
>> -
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables
>>
>> etc. and found some ugly workarounds to fix the problem (I can create
>> a manual page break; add artificial invisible marks; increase the
>> spacing between staves – which will result in too big space even when
>> I don't have any button names / lyrics above the melody and that looks
>> ugly; ...), but I wonder if this issue with vertical spacing is:
>>
>> (a) a bug in lilypond
>> (b) a bug in the code that handles accordion push events
>> (c) something that's super difficult to fix anywhere and I should be
>> using workarounds anyway
>>
>> I can provide more information if needed, but I'll need a bit more
>> guidance.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Mojca


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Re: Vertically overlapping material / too small vertical space

2016-11-30 Thread Mojca Miklavec

Dear Michael,

On 30 November 2016 at 16:30, Gerdau, Michael wrote:
>> I'm also attaching a "quasi-minimal" example (if a full page may even
>> be called "minimal").
>
> Is the attached what you actually want?

No. I want the button names above the first line, not below.

Mojca

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Re: Vertically overlapping material / too small vertical space

2016-11-30 Thread Phil Holmes

I think the use of  \context is getting the vertical spacing engine 
confused.  I _think_ my attached version of your music does what you want - 
it would seem to point in the right direction, at the very least.


--
Phil Holmes


- Original Message - 
From: "Mojca Miklavec" <mojca.miklavec.li...@gmail.com>

To: "lilypond-user" <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Vertically overlapping material / too small vertical space


Hi,

I'm also attaching a "quasi-minimal" example (if a full page may even
be called "minimal").

Mojca

(please CC me)

On 30 November 2016 at 12:06, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

Hi,

I would like to ask for a bit of a guidance. I sometimes end up with
the scores as you see in the attachment. There's simply not enough
vertical space between staves and text is overlapping very badly.

I can attach the complete example (or perhaps come up with some
"\repeat unfold ..." trick to compose a full page that more or less
reproduces the problem), but it's basically the same type of scores as
I used anywhere else in
https://github.com/mojca/frajtonarca/tree/master/tablature/avtorske

On the example in the screenshot you see the following elements in one 
stave:


- button names are two lines of Lyrics attached on top of the melody
- Voice with the main melody
- accordion push spanner
- RhythmicStaff
- FiguredBass

I didn't even try to touch the spacing inside the scores. The only
part where the code is messing up with vertical spacing is here:

https://github.com/mojca/frajtonarca/blob/master/tablature/accordion.ily
in accordionPushSpannerEngraver (written by David Nalesnik) which is
something that I don't fully understand myself. But in theory it
should not affect distances between different staves, it should only
control the distance between main melody, push spanner event and the
basses.

I was looking at
- http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/vertical-spacing
- 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables


etc. and found some ugly workarounds to fix the problem (I can create
a manual page break; add artificial invisible marks; increase the
spacing between staves – which will result in too big space even when
I don't have any button names / lyrics above the melody and that looks
ugly; ...), but I wonder if this issue with vertical spacing is:

(a) a bug in lilypond
(b) a bug in the code that handles accordion push events
(c) something that's super difficult to fix anywhere and I should be
using workarounds anyway

I can provide more information if needed, but I'll need a bit more 
guidance.


Thank you,
Mojca








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\version "2.19.30"
\language "deutsch"

#(set-default-paper-size "a4")
\paper  {
  top-margin = 1.8\cm
}
\layout {
  indent = #0
  ragged-last = ##t
}

\header{
  title= "Title"
  poet = ""
  composer = "composer"
  arranger = "arranger"
}

buttonsIV = \lyricsto "melody" {}
buttonsIII = \lyricsto "melody" { \repeat unfold 40 { \skip 1 } "B3" }
buttonsII = \lyricsto "melody" {
  \repeat unfold 150 { "2" }
}
buttonsI = \lyricsto "melody" {
  \repeat unfold 150 { "1" }
}

\score {
\new PianoStaff <<
  \new Staff = "MelStaff" {
\new Voice  = "melody" {
  \time 3/4
  \repeat unfold 75 { c'4 c'2 }
}
  }

\new Lyrics = "buttonsI" \with { alignAboveContext = "MelStaff" } { \buttonsI }
\new Lyrics = "buttonsII" \with { alignAboveContext = "MelStaff" } { \buttonsII }

\new Lyrics = "lyricsI" {
  \lyricsto "melody" {
\repeat unfold 100 { I }
  }
}
\new Lyrics = "lyricsII" {
  \lyricsto "melody" {
\repeat unfold 100 { II }
  }
}

\new Lyrics = "buttonsIV"  { \buttonsIV }
\new Lyrics = "buttonsIII" { \buttonsIII }

  \new RhythmicStaff {
\repeat unfold 150 { c,4 }
  }
  \new FiguredBass {
\figuremode {
  \repeat unfold 150 { <4>4 }
}
  }
>>
}

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Vertically overlapping material / too small vertical space

2016-11-30 Thread Mojca Miklavec

Hi,

I would like to ask for a bit of a guidance. I sometimes end up with
the scores as you see in the attachment. There's simply not enough
vertical space between staves and text is overlapping very badly.

I can attach the complete example (or perhaps come up with some
"\repeat unfold ..." trick to compose a full page that more or less
reproduces the problem), but it's basically the same type of scores as
I used anywhere else in
https://github.com/mojca/frajtonarca/tree/master/tablature/avtorske

On the example in the screenshot you see the following elements in one stave:

- button names are two lines of Lyrics attached on top of the melody
- Voice with the main melody
- accordion push spanner
- RhythmicStaff
- FiguredBass

I didn't even try to touch the spacing inside the scores. The only
part where the code is messing up with vertical spacing is here:
https://github.com/mojca/frajtonarca/blob/master/tablature/accordion.ily
in accordionPushSpannerEngraver (written by David Nalesnik) which is
something that I don't fully understand myself. But in theory it
should not affect distances between different staves, it should only
control the distance between main melody, push spanner event and the
basses.

I was looking at
- http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/vertical-spacing
- 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/flexible-vertical-spacing-paper-variables

etc. and found some ugly workarounds to fix the problem (I can create
a manual page break; add artificial invisible marks; increase the
spacing between staves – which will result in too big space even when
I don't have any button names / lyrics above the melody and that looks
ugly; ...), but I wonder if this issue with vertical spacing is:

(a) a bug in lilypond
(b) a bug in the code that handles accordion push events
(c) something that's super difficult to fix anywhere and I should be
using workarounds anyway

I can provide more information if needed, but I'll need a bit more guidance.

Thank you,
Mojca
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