Re: Why does \skip extend an extender
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Phil Holmes <m...@philholmes.net> wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Patrick or Cynthia Karl" <pck...@me.com>
> To: <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:41 PM
> Subject: Why does \skip extend an extender
>
>
>> In the following snippet:
>>
>> music = \relative b' {
>> c4 d e f
>> f g a b
>> c,1
>> }
>>
>> Lyrics = \lyricmode {
>> c d e __ _
>> _ \skip 1 \skip 1 \skip 1
>> C
>> }
>>
>> \score {
>> \new Staff \music
>> \addlyrics \Lyrics
>> \layout { }
>> }
>>
>> I want the three skips to skip past the notes "g a b". That is, I want the
>> singing of “e” to terminate with the 2nd “f”. But for some reason the
>> extender is extended through the notes “g a b”. How can I fix this?
>
> Clearly the extender continues since the expectation is that the singer has
> to do something with these notes, and continuing to sing "e" is the only
> option. If the extender ended on the 2nd f, I would have no idea what is
> intended for the next 3 notes. It would be very confusing.
I guess I don’t really understand the thinking here. Does it not frequently
happen that an instrument performer and a singer “play” the same notes, the
performer on his instrument and the singer with his voice? And if that ever
does happen, wouldn’t it be conceivable that there might come a time when the
singer should be silent while the performer continues on with the notes?
I just ran into this again this morning with the song by Anonymous, "Si de vos
mi bien me aparto”, from Venice in the 1500s. The cantus part has a second
verse in the first staff of the piece, then silence until the last staff of the
piece, when the second verse reappears.
Expectations aside, I have been unable to find documentation supporting this
quirk of \skip. I don’t see why \skip has to take on the duties of “_” in
extending an extender another note.
>
> However, if you want to do this, replace \skip with "".
>
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Re: Why does \skip extend an extender
2015-12-20 18:35 GMT+01:00 Cynthia Karl <pck...@me.com>:
>
>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Phil Holmes <m...@philholmes.net> wrote:
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Patrick or Cynthia Karl" <pck...@me.com>
>> To: <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:41 PM
>> Subject: Why does \skip extend an extender
>>
>>
>>> In the following snippet:
>>>
>>> music = \relative b' {
>>> c4 d e f
>>> f g a b
>>> c,1
>>> }
>>>
>>> Lyrics = \lyricmode {
>>> c d e __ _
>>> _ \skip 1 \skip 1 \skip 1
>>> C
>>> }
>>>
>>> \score {
>>> \new Staff \music
>>> \addlyrics \Lyrics
>>> \layout { }
>>> }
>>>
>>> I want the three skips to skip past the notes "g a b". That is, I want the
>>> singing of “e” to terminate with the 2nd “f”. But for some reason the
>>> extender is extended through the notes “g a b”. How can I fix this?
>>
>> Clearly the extender continues since the expectation is that the singer has
>> to do something with these notes, and continuing to sing "e" is the only
>> option. If the extender ended on the 2nd f, I would have no idea what is
>> intended for the next 3 notes. It would be very confusing.
>
> I guess I don’t really understand the thinking here. Does it not frequently
> happen that an instrument performer and a singer “play” the same notes, the
> performer on his instrument and the singer with his voice? And if that ever
> does happen, wouldn’t it be conceivable that there might come a time when the
> singer should be silent while the performer continues on with the notes?
>
> I just ran into this again this morning with the song by Anonymous, "Si de
> vos mi bien me aparto”, from Venice in the 1500s. The cantus part has a
> second verse in the first staff of the piece, then silence until the last
> staff of the piece, when the second verse reappears.
Already done here:
http://www.uma.es/victoria/varios.html
ly-file:
http://www.uma.es/victoria/varios/ly/Anonimo-Si_De_Vos_Mi_Bien.ly
>
> Expectations aside, I have been unable to find documentation supporting this
> quirk of \skip. I don’t see why \skip has to take on the duties of “_” in
> extending an extender another note.
Well, quite often the same goal can be reached taking different
routes. Documenting all might blow up the docs even more...
>>
>> However, if you want to do this, replace \skip with "".
Doesn't work properly. It will return a warning.
See the examples below with different approaches, some work some not.
\version "2.14.2" % up to 2.19.32
\relative c' {
c4 d e f g2 e c1
}
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ _ C }
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ \skip 1 C }
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ " " C }
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ \markup " " C }
%% works:
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ " " C } %% nb, doubled space!
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ \markup \null C }
%% The following ends the extender but returns:
%% 2.14.2: programming error: cannot align on self: empty element
%% 2.16.2: works without warning
%% >=2.18.2: warning: LyricText has empty extent and non-empty stencil.
\addlyrics { c d e f __ _ "" C }
So I'd think we should have a documented method to finish an extender
where the user wants.
Cheers,
Harm
>>
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Why does \skip extend an extender
In the following snippet:
music = \relative b' {
c4 d e f
f g a b
c,1
}
Lyrics = \lyricmode {
c d e __ _
_ \skip 1 \skip 1 \skip 1
C
}
\score {
\new Staff \music
\addlyrics \Lyrics
\layout { }
}
I want the three skips to skip past the notes g a b. That is, I want the
singing of “e” to terminate with the 2nd “f”. But for some reason the extender
is extended through the notes “g a b”. How can I fix this?
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Re: Why does \skip extend an extender
- Original Message -
From: Patrick or Cynthia Karl pck...@me.com
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:41 PM
Subject: Why does \skip extend an extender
In the following snippet:
music = \relative b' {
c4 d e f
f g a b
c,1
}
Lyrics = \lyricmode {
c d e __ _
_ \skip 1 \skip 1 \skip 1
C
}
\score {
\new Staff \music
\addlyrics \Lyrics
\layout { }
}
I want the three skips to skip past the notes g a b. That is, I want
the singing of “e” to terminate with the 2nd “f”. But for some reason the
extender is extended through the notes “g a b”. How can I fix this?
Clearly the extender continues since the expectation is that the singer has
to do something with these notes, and continuing to sing e is the only
option. If the extender ended on the 2nd f, I would have no idea what is
intended for the next 3 notes. It would be very confusing.
However, if you want to do this, replace \skip with .
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