Re: inconsistent \RemoveEmptyStaves action
On 22/02/2022 23:28, Lukas-Fabian Moser wrote: Do you consider this inferior (or unnecessarily verbose and therefore non-minimal)? No, the motivation for that was more naive. You’re probably right that it would actually be more minimal in a deeper sense to explicitly instantiate the staves. Best, Simon
Re: inconsistent \RemoveEmptyStaves action
On 2/22/22, 3:29 PM, "lilypond-user on behalf of Lukas-Fabian Moser"
wrote:
Hi Simon,
> This is a minimal example for the issue you were having:
>
> %%%
> \version "2.22.1"
>
> upper = { 1 \break 1 }
> lower = { R1*2 }
>
> \score {
> \new PianoStaff << \upper \lower >>
> \layout {
> \context {
> \Staff
> \RemoveEmptyStaves
> }
> }
> }
>
Now that's interesting: For my taste, this is _too_ minimal. I don't
wouldn't recommend relying on the implicit creation of contexts to turn
\upper and \lower into staves (as opposed to, for instance, voices).
So, I would always write
\new PianoStaff
<<
\new Staff \upper
\new Staff \lower
>>
Do you consider this inferior (or unnecessarily verbose and therefore
non-minimal)?
I don't think it makes any difference in this particular situation. Both work
appropriately. Personally, I always explicitly instantiate all of my contexts.
Carl
Re: inconsistent \RemoveEmptyStaves action
Hi Simon,
This is a minimal example for the issue you were having:
%%%
\version "2.22.1"
upper = { 1 \break 1 }
lower = { R1*2 }
\score {
\new PianoStaff << \upper \lower >>
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\RemoveEmptyStaves
}
}
}
Now that's interesting: For my taste, this is _too_ minimal. I don't
wouldn't recommend relying on the implicit creation of contexts to turn
\upper and \lower into staves (as opposed to, for instance, voices).
So, I would always write
\new PianoStaff
<<
\new Staff \upper
\new Staff \lower
>>
Do you consider this inferior (or unnecessarily verbose and therefore
non-minimal)?
Lukas
Re: inconsistent \RemoveEmptyStaves action
Hi,
On 12/02/2022 20:22, jh wrote:
This is the shortest example I could figure out how to make
David and Lukas-Fabian have already answered the core question, so allow
me to comment on this: tiny examples are important for communication on
the list and it takes a while to learn how to make one.
This is a minimal example for the issue you were having:
%%%
\version "2.22.1"
upper = { 1 \break 1 }
lower = { R1*2 }
\score {
\new PianoStaff << \upper \lower >>
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\RemoveEmptyStaves
}
}
}
I hope that gives you some ideas on how to boil down your excerpt even more.
Best, Simon
Re: inconsistent \RemoveEmptyStaves action
Hi Jay,
Am 12.02.22 um 20:22 schrieb jh:
From one project to the next sometimes 'Frenching' a score works and
sometimes it doesn't
This is the shortest example I could figure out how to make
the second system should be just two staves (and using the same
context etc 5 days ago worked as expected on a different score so this
was copy pasted)
You are using PianoStaff. The only point of a PianoStaff is that it
keeps all its contained staves alive together; to wit, the definition of
PianoStaff is:
\context{
\GrandStaff
\name "PianoStaff"
\alias "GrandStaff"
\description "Just like @code{GrandStaff}, but the staves are only
removed
together, never separately."
\consists "Keep_alive_together_engraver"
%% explicitly set instrument, so it is not inherited from the parent
instrumentName = #'()
shortInstrumentName = #'()
}
So the only difference between a PianoStaff and a GrandStaff is that,
with a GrandStaff, you get what you want.
To be honest, it looks a bit strange to use a braced staff group for
your score. Is this intentional?
(By the way, with current development versions of LilyPond, it suffices
to issue \numericTimeSignature once - for example, in the \layout block.
For \accidentalStyle ..., this has been true for a while now.)
Lukas
Re: inconsistent \RemoveEmptyStaves action
jh writes:
> From one project to the next sometimes 'Frenching' a score works and
> sometimes it doesn't
> This is the shortest example I could figure out how to make
> the second system should be just two staves (and using the same
> context etc 5 days ago worked as expected on a different score so this
> was copy pasted)
> \version "2.22.1"
> \header {
> title = "Caucasus"
>composer = "Jay Hamilton"
> copyright = \markup { \tiny \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5)
> \center-column
> { "CC lic 2.5 some rights reserved Jay Hamilton 2022"
> "see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.5/;
>} }
>}
> #(ly:set-option 'delete-intermediate-files #t)
> #(set-default-paper-size "letter" )
> #(set-global-staff-size 20)
>
>
> upper = \relative c' {
> \clef treble
> \key c \major
> \time 4/4
> \tempo "andante" 4 = 72
> \numericTimeSignature
> \accidentalStyle forget
> \times 2/3 {g'8 d bes'}\times 2/3 {g d bes'}
>\times 2/3 {g d bes'}\times 2/3 {g d bes'}
>\times 2/3 {a d, c'} \times 2/3 {a d, c'}
>\times 2/3 {a d, c'} \times 2/3 {a d, c'}\break
>\times 2/3 {bes g d'} \times 2/3 {bes g d'}
>\times 2/3 {bes g d'} \times 2/3 {bes g d'}
>es16 bes ges bes es bes ges bes es bes ges bes es bes ges bes\break
>
> }
>
> lower = \relative c {
> \clef bass
> \key c \major
> \numericTimeSignature
> \accidentalStyle forget
> bes'4 c d g,
> \times 2/3 {a8 g fis} d4 \times 2/3 {c8 a c}\times 2/3 {fis g a}
> \times 2/3 {bes8 a g}\times 2/3 {d bes d}\times 2/3 {fis g a} d4
> es4 ges8 [d] c [bes] ges a ~
> }
> three = \relative c {
> \clef bass
> \key c \major
> \numericTimeSignature
> \accidentalStyle forget
>R1*4
>
> }
> four = \relative c {
> \clef "bass_8"
> \key c \major
> \numericTimeSignature
> \accidentalStyle forget
>R1*4
> }
>
>
> \score {
> \context PianoStaff
> <<
> \context Staff = upper \upper
> \context Staff = lower \lower
> \context Staff = three \three
> \context Staff = four \four
> >>
> \layout {
> \context {
> \Staff
>\RemoveEmptyStaves
> }
> }
> \midi { }
> }
> Please point to my stupid errors.
> thanks
> J
File: lilypond-internals.info, Node: PianoStaff, Next: RhythmicStaff, Prev:
PetrucciVoice, Up: Contexts
2.1.24 ‘PianoStaff’
---
Just like ‘GrandStaff’, but the staves are only removed together, never
separately.
--
David Kastrup
inconsistent \RemoveEmptyStaves action
From one project to the next sometimes 'Frenching' a score works and
sometimes it doesn't
This is the shortest example I could figure out how to make
the second system should be just two staves (and using the same context
etc 5 days ago worked as expected on a different score so this was copy
pasted)
\version "2.22.1"
\header {
title = "Caucasus"
composer = "Jay Hamilton"
copyright = \markup { \tiny \override #'(baseline-skip . 0.5)
\center-column
{ "CC lic 2.5 some rights reserved Jay Hamilton 2022"
"see http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/2.5/;
} }
}
#(ly:set-option 'delete-intermediate-files #t)
#(set-default-paper-size "letter" )
#(set-global-staff-size 20)
upper = \relative c' {
\clef treble
\key c \major
\time 4/4
\tempo "andante" 4 = 72
\numericTimeSignature
\accidentalStyle forget
\times 2/3 {g'8 d bes'}\times 2/3 {g d bes'}
\times 2/3 {g d bes'}\times 2/3 {g d bes'}
\times 2/3 {a d, c'} \times 2/3 {a d, c'}
\times 2/3 {a d, c'} \times 2/3 {a d, c'}\break
\times 2/3 {bes g d'} \times 2/3 {bes g d'}
\times 2/3 {bes g d'} \times 2/3 {bes g d'}
es16 bes ges bes es bes ges bes es bes ges bes es bes ges bes\break
}
lower = \relative c {
\clef bass
\key c \major
\numericTimeSignature
\accidentalStyle forget
bes'4 c d g,
\times 2/3 {a8 g fis} d4 \times 2/3 {c8 a c}\times 2/3 {fis g a}
\times 2/3 {bes8 a g}\times 2/3 {d bes d}\times 2/3 {fis g a} d4
es4 ges8 [d] c [bes] ges a ~
}
three = \relative c {
\clef bass
\key c \major
\numericTimeSignature
\accidentalStyle forget
R1*4
}
four = \relative c {
\clef "bass_8"
\key c \major
\numericTimeSignature
\accidentalStyle forget
R1*4
}
\score {
\context PianoStaff
<<
\context Staff = upper \upper
\context Staff = lower \lower
\context Staff = three \three
\context Staff = four \four
>>
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\RemoveEmptyStaves
}
}
\midi { }
}
Please point to my stupid errors.
thanks
J
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