Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 139, Issue 116

2014-06-29 Thread Patrick or Cynthia Karl

 Message: 2
 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:04:05 +0200
 From: Thomas Morley thomasmorle...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: What is it with \bar ||?
 
 
 Actually it is a little more complicated.

First of all let me say that I appreciate everyone's patience with me.  I have 
learned more that I thought I would from this discussion.

Second, it seems to me that this topic is much more complicated that it ought 
to be.

Finally, I still think that the following statement in section 1.4 of the 
Notation documentation:

volta   ... If the repeat is at the beginning of a piece, a repeat bar line is 
only printed at the end of
the repeat.

needs modification because it is misleading.  It implies that if the repeat is 
not at the beginning of a piece, a repeat bar will be printed at the beginning 
of the repeat.  That implication is evidently false.



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Re: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 139, Issue 116

2014-06-29 Thread Jay Anderson
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Patrick or Cynthia Karl pck...@mac.com wrote:
 Second, it seems to me that this topic is much more complicated that it ought 
 to be.

Many seemingly simple things become complicated when you finally dig
into the details. The goal is to control the complexity.

 Finally, I still think that the following statement in section 1.4 of the 
 Notation documentation:

 volta   ... If the repeat is at the beginning of a piece, a repeat bar line 
 is only printed at the end of
 the repeat.

 needs modification because it is misleading.  It implies that if the repeat 
 is not at the beginning of
 a piece, a repeat bar will be printed at the beginning of the repeat.  That 
 implication is evidently false.

It's not false, but you'd need a deeper understanding of the system to
know why in this case it behaved differently than expected. I can see
how one might expect the different behavior:

First try: \musicA \break \repeat volta 2 { \musicB }
- Result: Hmm I want a double bar instead of a single bar before the
break. I'll add it in.
Second try: \musicA \bar || \break \repeat volta 2 { \musicB }
- Result: The double bar worked, but where did my initial repeat bar
go? This is very surprising.

One way to think of the '\repeat volta' command is as a short hand for
adding in the correct bar lines around a section of music (it does a
bit more than that as well). If you manually override the bar at one
end of the repeat then you get the overridden bar.

-Jay

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