Re: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22?

[Silvain Dupertuis]

If you are on Windows, you can use *7-zip *
to open/pack/unpack tar archives.
It even integrates into the file explorer in the context menu.

Of course, in Linux, it's all integrated in the system...

Le 04.08.21 à 13:11, jh a écrit :
Thank you David etal, I've often been unable to find a tool to open/access tarballs?  
But I used a linux laptop and got in.
I did find the quantity of material to be overwhelming and it took me a couple of days 
to find a way to just find the pdfs in that file but find them I did.

Thank you for the help.

jay



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Re: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22?

[jh]

Thank you David etal, I've often been unable to find a tool to 
open/access tarballs?  But I used a linux laptop and got in.
I did find the quantity of material to be overwhelming and it took me a 
couple of days to find a way to just find the pdfs in that file but find 
them I did.

Thank you for the help.

jay

Re: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22? a better response I hope more polite

[David Wright]

On Tue 03 Aug 2021 at 09:44:33 (+0200), Silvain Dupertuis wrote:
> The files you mention do not seem to contain PDF documentation
> but only different snippets...

It's unclear to me what you mean. I mentioned a website, and I see it
contains files such as:

[ ] lilypond-2.20.0-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2020-03-01 17:55  139M  
[ ] lilypond-2.21.0-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2020-04-09 15:39  141M  
[ ] lilypond-2.21.1-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2020-04-28 11:45  141M  
…  …  …
[ ] lilypond-2.21.82-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2020-12-15 13:20  191M  
[ ] lilypond-2.22.0-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2021-01-10 15:45  191M  
[ ] lilypond-2.22.1-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2021-04-26 08:55  191M  
[ ] lilypond-2.23.0-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2021-01-24 14:59  191M  
[ ] lilypond-2.23.1-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2021-03-23 12:10  189M  
[ ] lilypond-2.23.2-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2021-04-12 12:37  189M  
[ ] lilypond-2.23.3-1.documentation.tar.bz2 2021-07-04 09:30  193M  
[TXT] readme.txt 2017-06-10 14:27  236   

Now, excuse me if I don't download lilypond-2.22.1-1.documentation.tar.bz2
as I already have lilypond-2.22.0-1.documentation.tar.bz2 and which
contains the following PDFs (size and filename):

$ tar -tvf lilypond-2.22.0-1.documentation.tar.bz2 | grep 'pdf$' | cut -c 
20-31,48- | sort -k 2
 145683  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/changes.de.pdf
 123940  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/changes.es.pdf
 148374  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/changes.fr.pdf
 145806  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/changes.it.pdf
 141120  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/changes.pdf
1086419  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/contributor.pdf
1284790  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/essay.de.pdf
1302093  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/essay.es.pdf
1058975  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/essay.fr.pdf
1287247  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/essay.hu.pdf
1293605  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/essay.it.pdf
1284038  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/essay.pdf
 384284  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/extending.de.pdf
 413587  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/extending.es.pdf
 439844  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/extending.fr.pdf
 383906  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/extending.pdf
4692816  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/internals.pdf
1786251  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/learning.ca.pdf
1811419  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/learning.de.pdf
1817486  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/learning.es.pdf
1813993  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/learning.fr.pdf
1126970  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/learning.hu.pdf
1774430  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/learning.it.pdf
1556621  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/learning.nl.pdf
1710978  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/learning.pdf
 135830  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/ancient-headword.pdf
  48917  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/ancient-headword.preview.pdf
  54225  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/aucun-snippet.pdf
  50682  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/aucun-snippet.preview.pdf
 251868  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/bach-bwv610.pdf
  72512  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/bach-bwv610.preview.pdf
  77618  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/bach-schenker.pdf
  77302  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/bach-schenker.preview.pdf
 136405  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/cary.pdf
 135956  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/cary.preview.pdf
  50486  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/chart.pdf
  50494  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/chart.preview.pdf
  55963  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/granados.pdf
  55901  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/granados.preview.pdf
 355129  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/orchestra.pdf
 355448  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/orchestra.preview.pdf
 143978  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/sesto-full.pdf
  78477  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/sesto-full.preview.pdf
 123921  ./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/sesto-piano.pdf
  62477  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/sesto-piano.preview.pdf
  73769  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/sesto-violin.pdf
  50812  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/sesto-violin.preview.pdf
  78869  
./share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/ly-examples/stockhausen-klavierstueckII.pdf
  78860  

RE: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22? a better response I hope more polite

[Timothy Lanfear]

Nick Payne use to create a PDF portfolio of all the documentation following
a release, e,g.
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2013-12/msg01302.html, but
hasn't done so for several years.

-Original Message-
From: lilypond-user  On
Behalf Of Aaron Hill
Sent: 03 August 2021 02:07
To: jh 
Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org; Carl Sorensen 
Subject: Re: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22?
a better response I hope more polite

On 2021-08-02 5:44 pm, jh wrote:
> Carl - that works fine for the notation but with 2.18 I have all the 
> information in one huge pdf.  This doesn't work at all with 2.22 the 
> only pdf that seems available is the one you directed to me but going 
> to the bottom of any other subject doesn't show a pdf and in fact 
> there is a confusing line that says go back to the main page for docs.
> 
> So the impolite question was 'really' but actually I'd rather actually 
> have the pdf that I'm used to/need.  This is not that.
> thanks for the help.

To my knowledge, there has never been a single PDF containing all the
manuals.  Of course, you could download each individual PDF and manually
stitch them together; but that might cause problems for the table of
contents and inter-document links.

The PDFs are, admittedly, a little hidden when you come from the main
manuals page [1].  You need to click on the parenthetical "details" link for
each section, which then will give you the link to its PDF.  Once you are on
one of these pages, there is a banner with links to the other details pages.

[1]: http://lilypond.org/manuals.html


-- Aaron Hill

Re: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22? a better response I hope more polite

[Silvain Dupertuis]

The files you mention do not seem to contain PDF documentation
but only different snippets...
But for such a huge documentation, maybe PDF is not the best choice.
Using HTML with all the internal links to pages and snippets is probably better.

It might be possible, if one likes to use documentation locally, to download the site with 
a utility like httrack 

Silvain

Le 03.08.21 à 02:56, David Wright a écrit :

On Mon 02 Aug 2021 at 18:44:10 (-0600), jh wrote:

Carl - that works fine for the notation but with 2.18 I have all the
information in one huge pdf.  This doesn't work at all with 2.22 the
only pdf that seems available is the one you directed to me but going
to the bottom of any other subject doesn't show a pdf and in fact
there is a confusing line that says go back to the main page for docs.

So the impolite question was 'really' but actually I'd rather actually
have the pdf that I'm used to/need.  This is not that.
thanks for the help.

If bandwidth isn't an issue, you can download "the lot" from
https://lilypond.org/download/binaries/documentation/

The PDFs are a little unusually placed in the archive, under
share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/

Multiple languages in multiple formats for "every" version.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22? a better response I hope more polite

[Aaron Hill]

On 2021-08-02 5:44 pm, jh wrote:

Carl - that works fine for the notation but with 2.18 I have all the
information in one huge pdf.  This doesn't work at all with 2.22 the
only pdf that seems available is the one you directed to me but going
to the bottom of any other subject doesn't show a pdf and in fact
there is a confusing line that says go back to the main page for docs.

So the impolite question was 'really' but actually I'd rather actually
have the pdf that I'm used to/need.  This is not that.
thanks for the help.


To my knowledge, there has never been a single PDF containing all the 
manuals.  Of course, you could download each individual PDF and manually 
stitch them together; but that might cause problems for the table of 
contents and inter-document links.


The PDFs are, admittedly, a little hidden when you come from the main 
manuals page [1].  You need to click on the parenthetical "details" link 
for each section, which then will give you the link to its PDF.  Once 
you are on one of these pages, there is a banner with links to the other 
details pages.


[1]: http://lilypond.org/manuals.html


-- Aaron Hill

Re: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22? a better response I hope more polite

[David Wright]

On Mon 02 Aug 2021 at 18:44:10 (-0600), jh wrote:
> Carl - that works fine for the notation but with 2.18 I have all the
> information in one huge pdf.  This doesn't work at all with 2.22 the
> only pdf that seems available is the one you directed to me but going
> to the bottom of any other subject doesn't show a pdf and in fact
> there is a confusing line that says go back to the main page for docs.
> 
> So the impolite question was 'really' but actually I'd rather actually
> have the pdf that I'm used to/need.  This is not that.
> thanks for the help.

If bandwidth isn't an issue, you can download "the lot" from
https://lilypond.org/download/binaries/documentation/

The PDFs are a little unusually placed in the archive, under
share/doc/lilypond/html/Documentation/

Multiple languages in multiple formats for "every" version.

Cheers,
David.

Re: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22? a better response I hope more polite

[jh]

Carl - that works fine for the notation but with 2.18 I have all the 
information in one huge pdf.  This doesn't work at all with 2.22 the 
only pdf that seems available is the one you directed to me but going to 
the bottom of any other subject doesn't show a pdf and in fact there is 
a confusing line that says go back to the main page for docs.


So the impolite question was 'really' but actually I'd rather actually 
have the pdf that I'm used to/need.  This is not that.

thanks for the help.
Jay

On 2021-08-02 17:15, Carl Sorensen wrote:

On 8/2/21, 5:12 PM, "lilypond-user on behalf of jh"
 wrote:

I can easily find the manual html page but the machine I use lily 
on is
not online and so I depend on the PDf or have depended on it for 
2.18

but there seems to be no link for the pdf on the manuals page?
thank you

As mentioned in the text on the bottom of the manuals page, click on
the "details of notation" link to be able to download a pdf copy of
the Notation Reference.  Similarly for Usage and Internals.

Here's a page that will let you download the Notation Reference.

https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.22/Documentation/web/notation

Carl

Re: simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22?

[Carl Sorensen]

On 8/2/21, 5:12 PM, "lilypond-user on behalf of jh" 
 wrote:

I can easily find the manual html page but the machine I use lily on is 
not online and so I depend on the PDf or have depended on it for 2.18
but there seems to be no link for the pdf on the manuals page?
thank you

As mentioned in the text on the bottom of the manuals page, click on the 
"details of notation" link to be able to download a pdf copy of the Notation 
Reference.  Similarly for Usage and Internals.

Here's a page that will let you download the Notation Reference.

https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.22/Documentation/web/notation

Carl
 

simple question 1 where's the pdf for all the manuals for 2.22?

[jh]

I can easily find the manual html page but the machine I use lily on is 
not online and so I depend on the PDf or have depended on it for 2.18

but there seems to be no link for the pdf on the manuals page?
thank you

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