Re: What does everyone want? (2)
Thanks David for the explanation! JM > Le 20 avr. 2017 à 08:51, David Kastrup a écrit : > > Jacques Menu Muzhic writes: > >> Hello David, >> >>> LilyPond 3 could be a rework of the optimization engine doing away with >>> the hard pure/unpure distinction. >> >> Not sure I understand this, can you tell us more? > > It's not a user-level distinction. LilyPond currently makes line breaks > first, page breaks afterwards. Page break decisions do not influence > the line break decisions. Grobs/callbacks basically have to declare > whether they are dependent on line break decisions or not and use > different mechanisms and callbacks if they are. That's awkward because > there often are very rare circumstances where this makes a difference in > results. > > It's the main source of unexpected interactions when refining > typesetting stuff and consequently a major roadblock for > extending/fixing LilyPond: quite often a change has consequences where > other stuff is falling apart unexpectedly. That makes a lot of the > typesetting a mine field mostly navigatable by "backend experts" since > they have experience patching up the things falling apart as they go. > > -- > David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
vocalName vs. instrumentName
Hello everybody, I’m wondering: what are the historic and functional differences between vocalName and instrumentName? Are there any? Does anybody have a clever policy when to use vocalName? Does anybody use it at all? Best, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Discern post-event in music function
Hello,
I currently use this implementation of the \after function:
after =
#(define-music-function (t e m) (ly:duration? ly:music? ly:music?)
#{
\context Bottom <<
#m
{ \skip $t <> -\tweak extra-spacing-width #empty-interval $e }
>>
#})
Unfortunately, it doesn’t allow using it with e.g. \tempo expressions,
since it expects a post-event. So I need the music function to do
different things depending on whether the second argument is a
post-event or not. How could one implement a ‘post-event?’ predicate?
Best, Simon
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Re: Discern post-event in music function
There's a `post-event?` predicate defined in
scm/define-music-display-methods.scm. I don't think that one's easily
accessible outside that module, but you can copy it:
(define (post-event? m)
(music-is-of-type? m 'post-event))
On 04/20/17 16:59, Simon Albrecht wrote:
Hello,
I currently use this implementation of the \after function:
after =
#(define-music-function (t e m) (ly:duration? ly:music? ly:music?)
#{
\context Bottom <<
#m
{ \skip $t <> -\tweak extra-spacing-width #empty-interval $e }
>>
#})
Unfortunately, it doesn’t allow using it with e.g. \tempo expressions,
since it expects a post-event. So I need the music function to do
different things depending on whether the second argument is a
post-event or not. How could one implement a ‘post-event?’ predicate?
Best, Simon
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Re: Discern post-event in music function
Am 20.04.2017 um 17:25 schrieb caag...@gmail.com: (define (post-event? m) (music-is-of-type? m 'post-event)) That’s reasonably simple :-) Thanks, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Discern post-event in music function
Am 20.04.2017 um 17:25 schrieb caag...@gmail.com:
There's a `post-event?` predicate defined in
scm/define-music-display-methods.scm. I don't think that one's easily
accessible outside that module, but you can copy it:
(define (post-event? m)
(music-is-of-type? m 'post-event))
Here’s the resulting function:
after =
#(define-music-function (t e m) (ly:duration? ly:music? ly:music?)
(let* ((post-event? (lambda (m)
(music-is-of-type? m 'post-event)))
(post (post-event? e)))
#{
\context Bottom <<
#m
{
\skip $t
#(if post
#{ <> -\tweak extra-spacing-width #empty-interval $e #}
e)
}
>>
#}))
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Re: Discern post-event in music function
You could just do (let ((post (music-is-of-type? e 'post-event)))
(stuff)). No point in creating a lambda for it.
On 04/20/17 17:43, Simon Albrecht wrote:
Am 20.04.2017 um 17:25 schrieb caag...@gmail.com:
There's a `post-event?` predicate defined in
scm/define-music-display-methods.scm. I don't think that one's easily
accessible outside that module, but you can copy it:
(define (post-event? m)
(music-is-of-type? m 'post-event))
Here’s the resulting function:
after =
#(define-music-function (t e m) (ly:duration? ly:music? ly:music?)
(let* ((post-event? (lambda (m)
(music-is-of-type? m 'post-event)))
(post (post-event? e)))
#{
\context Bottom <<
#m
{
\skip $t
#(if post
#{ <> -\tweak extra-spacing-width #empty-interval $e #}
e)
}
>>
#}))
Best, Simon
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Re: vocalName vs. instrumentName
Simon Albrecht writes: > Hello everybody, > > I’m wondering: what are the historic and functional differences > between vocalName and instrumentName? vocalName/shortVocalName are fallbacks when neither instrumentName nor shortInstrumentName are set. That's all seemingly. > Are there any? Does anybody have a clever policy when to use > vocalName? Does anybody use it at all? Looks rather pointless to me, to be honest. -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Discern post-event in music function
Simon Albrecht writes:
> Am 20.04.2017 um 17:25 schrieb caag...@gmail.com:
>> There's a `post-event?` predicate defined in
>> scm/define-music-display-methods.scm. I don't think that one's
>> easily accessible outside that module, but you can copy it:
>>
>> (define (post-event? m)
>> (music-is-of-type? m 'post-event))
>
> Here’s the resulting function:
>
> after =
> #(define-music-function (t e m) (ly:duration? ly:music? ly:music?)
>(let* ((post-event? (lambda (m)
> (music-is-of-type? m 'post-event)))
> (post (post-event? e)))
> #{
>\context Bottom <<
> #m
> {
>\skip $t
>#(if post
> #{ <> -\tweak extra-spacing-width #empty-interval $e #}
> e)
> }
>>>
> #}))
Well, one could just do
after =
#(define-music-function (t e m) (ly:duration? ly:music? ly:music?)
#{
\context Bottom <<
#m
{
\skip $t
<> $(tweak 'extra-spacing-width empty-interval e)
}
>>
#})
since the $ will produce the proper kind of event (post-event or not).
Admittedly, this is cheating quite a bit.
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Re: how to get markup formatting to survive a font-name change
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Kieren MacMillan <
kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Abraham,
>
> > The \paper block should look like this (and this should be below any
> #(set-global-staff-size ...) because that resets the "fonts" variable and
> you need to add to it):
> >
> > %
> >
> > \paper {
> > #(add-pango-fonts fonts 'minion "Minion Pro" (/ staff-height pt 20))
> > bookTitleMarkup = ##f
> > scoreTitleMarkup = \markup {
> > \override #'(font-family . 'minion)
> > \fromproperty #'header:title
> > }
> > }
> >
> > %
> >
> > Now, the font choice should propagate through to the \italic command.
>
> This is fabulous! Thanks. It also propagates through \bold, with is
> wonderful.
> But my family (Crimson Text) has bold and semibold variants — can I have
> access to both?
>
Yes and no. By default, no. When you run add-pango-fonts, it only creates
entries for the following weight-style combinations:
1. normal-upright
2. normal-caps
3. bold-upright
4. normal-italic
5. bold-italic
If there isn't one of those variants, pango seems to fall-back to a closest
relative in the family.
So, you have three options:
1. do nothing and live with the above combinations
2. create a new font family that has the desired semibold as the "normal",
which would also grab the semibold italic as well
3. modify the add-pango-fonts function to create more nodes, but I'm not
sure if Pango knows how to grab variants outside of those listed above. The
nice thing is that you can modify font.scm without needing to re-compile
everything from source. I'll try adding a couple of combinations to see
what happens and report back. Otherwise, it might be a more involved
re-write to get convenient access to less common font variants without
specifying the exact font name.
I know that there was some work a while back by Alexander Kobel on
extending this to a larger family of weights/styles/widths/etc., but I
don't think it ever got finished, or did it? Perhaps Alexander can comment.
This would be a great feature, IMO.
Best,
Abraham
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Only telling the Truth sincerely, frankly, is powerful, helpful, hopeful. Who is telling the Truth sincerely, frankly, is powerful, helpful, hopeful — even when is telling about his/her false, powerless, helpless, hopeless, desperate — is paradoxically powerful, helpful, hopeful, and is begging mercy. So: Telling false is powerless, helpless, hopeless, desperate. Who is telling false, is powerless, helpless, hopeless, desperate. And when see his/her powerless, helpless, hopeless, desperate — may tell about it truly and sincerely, frankly, or may not tell about it and think false about himself/herself, giving false ideas telling others that are true. What about somebody who cannot tell the Truth? Let him/her do like a linker only trying: in a whisper, with little voice, sincerely, being quite frank: "I cannot tell the Truth. I cannot live with the Truth". If the somebody is telling this, paradoxically is at once, now telling the Truth about himself/herself — and at once, now: is powerful, helpful, hopeful, and is sorry, regrets, begging mercy. If I can do something, I can tell this. If I cannot do something, let me do not tell that I can. If the world would not pay 100,000,000,000 dollars or euro every month for bulbs (=electric lights) in computers and computer peripherals, even loud-speakers — i.e. Musescore and LilyPond would be in version 2 a long time ago. Conclusions: 1) "Be good, if you are able" (Saint Philippe Neri). 2) And mercy for these, whoever wants asking or begging as long as has chance, till death... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: (unknown)
Mirosław Doroszewski writes: > Only telling the Truth sincerely, frankly, is powerful, helpful, > hopeful. The truth is that your content does not belong on this mailing list, and you have been told so already. This mailing list's description is This list is for discussing how to use lilypond. (www.gnu.org/software/lilypond) If you don't have anything relevant to the list's purpose to contribute, please do those reading the list the favor of not abusing their list for your own agenda. There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens. Take yours where it belongs. > If the world would not pay 100,000,000,000 dollars or euro every month > for bulbs (=electric lights) in computers and computer peripherals, > even loud-speakers — i.e. Musescore and LilyPond would be in version 2 > a long time ago. LilyPond has been in version 2 for a long time already. Your flimsy pretense of posting something relevant to the list by adding a single factually wrong and confused paragraph is pathetic. If you want to discuss how to use LilyPond, this is the right place. If not, it isn't. Adding some random paragraph with the word "LilyPond" to an otherwise off-topic rant does not make it the right place, either. Thanks for your consideration -- David Kastrup ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: (unknown)
On Thu, 20 Apr 2017, David Kastrup wrote: Musescore and LilyPond would be in version 2 a long time ago. LilyPond has been in version 2 for a long time already. And so has Musescore If you want to discuss how to use LilyPond, this is the right place. If not, it isn't. Adding some random paragraph with the word "LilyPond" to an otherwise off-topic rant does not make it the right place, either. +10 -- MT ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
What does anyone want? (4)
Sometime ago someone has given me an advice to turn off at all computer from electric current always. And someday I calculate, that these who uses computers or similar devices, pays about 100,000,000,000 dollars or euro every month for bulbs (=electric lights) turned on in just computer and similar devices. So, as yet, accordingly to the advice, I turn off computer and computer peripherals regularly: 1) for you homeless, who leaves in the streets, who have no home, no wifes, no children; 2) for you who want free of charge softwares; 3) for you, future priests, who want study in special seminaries which take non-little money as high schools; 4) for you, computer customers with logo "Energy Star", who listen from time to time not to turn on your bulbs. Conclusion: And mercy for all, but till death, to get future homeland, where is harmony, no pain, no death, Life who is God without beginning... For whom? I do not know... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: What does anyone want? (4)
Am 20.04.2017 um 20:42 schrieb Mirosław Doroszewski: Sometime ago someone has given me an advice to turn off at all computer from electric current always. Well, if we stop supplying our computers with electricity, we won’t have to worry about propagating free software anymore… :-) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: What does anyone want? (4)
Hi Miroslaw, On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Mirosław Doroszewski wrote: > [trimmed gobbledygook] Please stop sending this series of rambling / off-topic / distracting messages to the lilypond-user list. Most people come here for help or to offer any kind of constructive conversation. You aren't doing either. People can block you (I certainly will), but your off-topic posts are still going to be wasting space in the archives that could otherwise go to meaningful threads. Thanks, Jeffery -- Jeffery Shivers jefferyshivers.com soundcloud.com/jefferyshivers ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: What does anyone want? (4)
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 03:24:23PM -0400, Jeffery Shivers wrote: > Hi Miroslaw, > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Mirosław Doroszewski > wrote: > > [trimmed gobbledygook] > > Please stop sending this series of rambling / off-topic / distracting > messages to the lilypond-user list. Most people come here for help or > to offer any kind of constructive conversation. You aren't doing > either. People can block you (I certainly will), but your off-topic > posts are still going to be wasting space in the archives that could > otherwise go to meaningful threads. [...] Yes, please stop sending off-topic posts to this list. You are actually destroying your own cause by doing this, because your inappropriate behaviour is turning people away rather than convince them to be sympathetic to what you have to say. There are forums where your posts would be welcomed, but this mailing list is not it. Bombarding mailing lists intended for discussing topics unrelated to your cause is not the way to convince anyone, and you'd do yourself a favor to stop doing that. T -- I see that you JS got Bach. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: What does anyone want? (4)
For that matter, I have no idea what he's trying to say at all. It seems like just insane rambling. On 04/20/17 21:36, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 03:24:23PM -0400, Jeffery Shivers wrote: Hi Miroslaw, On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Mirosław Doroszewski wrote: [trimmed gobbledygook] Please stop sending this series of rambling / off-topic / distracting messages to the lilypond-user list. Most people come here for help or to offer any kind of constructive conversation. You aren't doing either. People can block you (I certainly will), but your off-topic posts are still going to be wasting space in the archives that could otherwise go to meaningful threads. [...] Yes, please stop sending off-topic posts to this list. You are actually destroying your own cause by doing this, because your inappropriate behaviour is turning people away rather than convince them to be sympathetic to what you have to say. There are forums where your posts would be welcomed, but this mailing list is not it. Bombarding mailing lists intended for discussing topics unrelated to your cause is not the way to convince anyone, and you'd do yourself a favor to stop doing that. T ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
is the lyric tie tweakable?
Hi all, Is the built-in** lyric tie/elision tweakable? I’ve found that the kerning/positioning changes fairly dramatically depending on the font being used. I’d like to try to set its position globally (rather than having to adjust each lyric pair it appears under), but couldn’t find the appropriate grobs/interfaces/properties to attack. Thanks, Kieren. ** I know I can roll my own undertie glyph — I was doing that as early as 2006 — but I’d rather adjust the built-in glyph/curve. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: is the lyric tie tweakable?
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 6:02 PM, Kieren MacMillan wrote: > Hi all, > > Is the built-in** lyric tie/elision tweakable? I’ve found that the > kerning/positioning changes fairly dramatically depending on the font being > used. I’d like to try to set its position globally (rather than having to > adjust each lyric pair it appears under), but couldn’t find the appropriate > grobs/interfaces/properties to attack. > > Thanks, > Kieren. > > ** I know I can roll my own undertie glyph — I was doing that as early as > 2006 — but I’d rather adjust the built-in glyph/curve. > > There's no LyricTie grob, so no convenient way to tweak it. You could modify "tied-lyric" in scm/define-markup-commands.scm, since that's what's engaged with the tilde. -David ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Problem with /accepts
Am 17.04.2017 um 22:06 schrieb Thomas Morley:
\layout {
\context {
\Staff
\accepts PP
}
%% copy "Voice"-settings, rename to "PP"
\context {
\Voice
\name PP
\alias Voice
%% all engravers from Voice are present
%% remove/add what you want
%% add overrides as well
}
}
This can be ‘simplified’ using \inherit-acceptability:
\layout {
\inherit-acceptability "PP" "Voice"
%% copy "Voice"-settings, rename to "PP"
\context {
\Voice
\name PP
\alias Voice
%% all engravers from Voice are present
%% remove/add what you want
%% add overrides as well
}
}
Best, Simon
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All: I'm done with these emails. I rather enjoy reading the LilyPond mailing list. I do not believe that this email is acceptable for the list. What can be done? Rachael Carlson ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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The truth is that your content does not belong on this mailing list, and you have been told so already. This mailing list's description is This list is for discussing how to use lilypond. (www.gnu.org/software/lilypond) If you don't have anything relevant to the list's purpose to contribute, please do those reading the list the favor of not abusing their list for your own agenda. There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens. Take yours where it belongs. Thank you, David. R ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re:
Hi Rachael, Cranks like this arise from time to time. The policy of the moderator is non interference. Therefore, the best thing to do is to block messages from this sender in your email client program. Pretty much all email programs allow you to filter undesired senders individually. In my opinion, the best way to remove such noise from a list is for all to simply ignore it and not respond. The psychology of a lot of these people is that sadly they crave attention, and posting lunatic religious rants always stirs people up and they get the attention they crave. By utterly ignoring them they are deprived of oxygen and they go on to the next list. Even this email feeds his attention-getting craving, so enough! The other way to discourage the offending behaviour is simply to laugh at him. There is no more powerful thing than Satire! :-) Andrew On 21 April 2017 at 03:59, Rachael Carlson wrote: > All: > > I'm done with these emails. I rather enjoy reading the LilyPond mailing > list. I do not believe that this email is acceptable for the list. What can > be done? > > Rachael Carlson > > ___ > lilypond-user mailing list > lilypond-user@gnu.org > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user > > ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re:
G'day. On 21/4/17 12:16 pm, Andrew Bernard wrote: The other way to discourage the offending behaviour is simply to laugh at him. There is no more powerful thing than Satire! :-) We could always keep it on topic and turn the discussion to notating church music... Andrew Bromage ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Hairpin endings
I posted a while ago with a query about hairpins, to which no response. Would there be any way to have hairpins that don't start, or end in the other direction, with the lines converging to the same point? I have need from time to time of hairpins where the end points are still separated, rather than coming to a termination together. Sure this can be done with a whiteout box, but that is always fiddly and the position tends to move when the score is repaginated etc etc. In the same way as the 'height' property allows you to specify the separation at the open end, it would be useful to have some property for this sort of thing at the pointy end. Yes, definitely not Common Era engraving practice, but this keeps coming up in the New Complexity scores I work with. Any thoughts? And by the way, a big thank you to the developers for recently adding shorten-pair support to Hairpin. Andrew ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: Hairpin endings
On 2017-04-20 20:42, Andrew Bernard wrote:
I posted a while ago with a query about hairpins, to which no
response.
Would there be any way to have hairpins that don't start, or end in
the other direction, with the lines converging to the same point? I
have need from time to time of hairpins where the end points are still
separated, rather than coming to a termination together. Sure this can
be done with a whiteout box, but that is always fiddly and the
position tends to move when the score is repaginated etc etc. In the
same way as the 'height' property allows you to specify the separation
at the open end, it would be useful to have some property for this
sort of thing at the pointy end. Yes, definitely not Common Era
engraving practice, but this keeps coming up in the New Complexity
scores I work with.
hi andrew,
check it out:
#(define ((open-hairpin left-open right-open) grob)
(let* ((stencil (ly:hairpin::print grob))
(X-ext (ly:stencil-extent stencil X))
(Y-ext (ly:stencil-extent stencil Y))
(width (interval-length X-ext))
(height (interval-length Y-ext)))
(ly:stencil-translate
(grob-interpret-markup grob
(markup
(#:path 0.1
(list (list 'moveto 0 (* height (- 0.5 (* 0.5 left-open
(list 'lineto width (* height (- 0.5 (* 0.5
right-open
(list 'moveto 0 (* height (+ 0.5 (* 0.5 left-open
(list 'lineto width (* height (+ 0.5 (* 0.5
right-open
(cons 0 (interval-start Y-ext)
{
c'1\> c'1 c'1\!
\once \override Hairpin.stencil = #(open-hairpin 1.0 0.5)
c'1\> c'1 c'1\!
\once \override Hairpin.stencil = #(open-hairpin 0.5 0.0)
c'1\> c'1 c'1\!
}
respects height, but not thickness. anyone know how to convert a
thickness value into staff spaces?
nathan
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Re: Page frames/watermarks
On Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:53:39 +0200, Psalle wrote: > >> I was wondering how to add a decorative frame to a score within > >> lilypond, > > Thread starting at > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2017-04/msg00135.html > Thanks! So it seems there's no easy in-lilypond way to do such absolute > positioning of things... I could try the latex route suggested therein. I find it often much easier to just produce a PDF and use some PDF tools to add watermarks/decorations. -- Johan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
