Report on 1st Gimp Lecture + The 2nd Gimp Lecture
The first gimp lecture went pretty much OK except for the following things that clouded it: 1. We viewed the GIMP through a remote X session _on_ a VNC computer, where the GIMP ran on Tzafrir's home computer at the Meo-onoth. Practically, an exercise in Computer Networks Design or Internet: Architecture and Protocols (the latter I have yet to take, if at all) The problem was that VNC probably did not display the images correctly. It did horrors to the Colourful Lena and to the Grayscale One and to the two Propaganda (that's the name of a web-site that used to carry tiles for X-Windows) images. The tiger, ironically, displayed relatively fine, although I who stood next to the computer saw a difference. Where is Alon (the undoubted VNC guru of Haifux) when we need him? Alon, if you can help Tzafrir use and install the VNC client on his NT account it would do wonders to the next lecture. Please configure it so it won't use lossy compression or quantization. The full 24-bit RGB spectrum is a must. Assuming we fix those technical difficulties, then the next lecture (read below) will be better in this regard. 2. Most of the slides were not ready, and I did not thoroughly reviewed the lecture's workflow document (which is quite detailed) beforehand. This is my fault, because I thought that I could prepare the lecture from Wednesday (in which I had my last test) to today. However, it turned out I did not have enough time or did not exploit it efficiently. I will prepare the slides for the next GIMP lecture, starting with the material that I did not cover yet. Yet, I will write slides for the previous material, so they will be available at the site for prosperity. I have a friend, who is not a regular member of the Club, but whom I invited to the lecture because he took the course Image Processing and Analysis with me. He said that it felt that I was not very prepared for the lecture, and he was not certain that people understood me. Hopefully, next time I will be more prepared and things will be better. --- I prepared a lot of material and had to do a lot of demos so we stopped just before areal transformations. I believe the rest of the material will fit inside another lecture, but we have to set a date for it. People usually complain about context switching if there's too much Gap in such lectures. Orr, could we swap the GIMP lecture with another one, or do I have to give it somewhere after the Python lecture (Sep 10) which is 10 weeks from now? From a quick glance it strikes me that Muli can postpone his ADSL lecture (or the Python one) to September 24 (or to after the summer vacation?) allowing me to give the GIMP at August 13. Muli, is it OK with you? --- I'd like to finish this message with a small anecdote. In the course Image Processing and Analysis we studied about filters, effects and techniques which were actually quite simple if you think about it. Yet, to make it harder, they were called with bombastic terms. My particular favourite is Performing a Convolution with a rectangular filter with an energy of 1. (I'm actually going to cover it in the next lecture, but I'll use simpler terms. ) Now, I could explain to a high school student what it does essentially without using all those terms, but Electrical Engineers are keen that nobody else would understand them. I think it's the same with Computer Science people, or scientists and engineers in general, but I'm not sure. My friend and I talked about it with another attendee of the lecture who is a high school student and his father had studied EE at the Technion. Since he only finished the 10th grade, he barely knew about integrals, much less convolutions. But he was amused with the antics of the wonderful field of Electrical Engineering and the kind of terminological non-sense we have to put up with. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A more experienced programmer does not make less bugs. He just realizes what went wrong more quickly.
Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs
A lecture which I personally am interested in is one in which the lecturer (who must be an Emacs expert) explain how to use Emacs for a long time without losing one's sanity. I tried to use GNU Emacs or XEmacs several times and each time encountered one thing or another that annoyed me so much that I had to stop using it. And I could not find anything in the help system. But I know it is a good editor because many people swear by it. So if anyone wants to give this lecture, please answer to the list. By anyone I refer to Muli, but it's possible that others are expert enough to give it. I, on my part, have lost hope of getting used to it on my own. So, Muli or whoever, just that you may agree now that we have dropped a file on you (hipalnu aleikha tiq), here are some motivational reasons: 1. That way you can prove to the world what a real man's editor should be like. 2. That way you may actually balance the percentage of emacs vs. vi users in the Haifux Cabal. So far, I think it stands at 1 or 2 vs. the rest. 3. You may permanently make Emacs usage easier for newbies. 4. If Emacs rules, one has to prove it. (Habe'as Corpus) Now, I would like this lecture to also have a QA session and not just a demonstration. Yes, we all know that Ctrl+X, Ctrl+C exits and Ctrl+X, Ctrl+S saves a document, and we all know Emacs has a web-brower, IRC client, mail reader, gdb front-end and everything else that may might as been written as a standalone program. But, I want to know how to use it to edit source code, and like I said, how to do that without losing my mind in the process. I have a more serious reason for wanting to use it. The EE Linux farms do not have gvim or NEdit, or FTE or joe anything else that is usable on them. Only XEmacs. So, if I'll know how to survive in XEmacs my situation would be much better. For the time, I'll download FTE and compile it. It can be annoying at times, but CoolEdit is much worse... Regards, Shlomi Fish -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A more experienced programmer does not make less bugs. He just realizes what went wrong more quickly.
Re: Report on 1st Gimp Lecture + The 2nd Gimp Lecture
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Shlomi Fish wrote: lectures. Orr, could we swap the GIMP lecture with another one, or do I have to give it somewhere after the Python lecture (Sep 10) which is 10 weeks from now? From a quick glance it strikes me that Muli can postpone his ADSL lecture (or the Python one) to September 24 (or to after the summer vacation?) allowing me to give the GIMP at August 13. Muli, is it OK with you? postponing the python lecture to the 24th is fine with me. -- mulix http://www.advogato.com/person/mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead
Re: Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Shlomi Fish wrote: By anyone I refer to Muli, but it's possible that others are expert enough to give it. I, on my part, have lost hope of getting used to it on my own. i am not, by any stretch of the imagination, an emacs expert, but if no one else wants to, i'll happily give the lecture. however, i have a suggestion: how about an emacs - vi shootout? we could have an emacs person and a vi person, each will explain why they use that particular editor, and why their editor is the best, and then proceed to answer the audience's questions and demonstrate how to do 'foo', for different values of 'foo'. then the other person will demonstrate how to do 'foo' in the other editor. what do you say? that way we get 2 good editors for the price of 1... any vi users? choo, wanna prove once and for all vi is best and show off you neat hanoi towers in vi macros? :) btw, we can make it an n way shootout, if anyone uses another editor and would like to discuss it. (pico users need not apply) -- mulix http://www.advogato.com/person/mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead
Re: Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001, mulix wrote about Re: Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Shlomi Fish wrote: however, i have a suggestion: how about an emacs - vi shootout? we could have an emacs person and a vi person, each will explain why they use that particular editor, and why their editor is the best, and then proceed to What if I think that both vi and XEmacs are the best? Is there room for a double-agent in such a panel? :) btw, we can make it an n way shootout, if anyone uses another editor and would like to discuss it. (pico users need not apply) What about Sam (plan 9's editor, I think)? ed? ;) Next shootout: which shell is better! -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Jul 17 2001, 26 Tammuz 5761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Sign on a back of truck: Overtakers http://nadav.harel.org.il |beware, or you might meet the Undertaker
request to postpone the r2l project discussion on 30/7
i just saw the date and a huge brick dropped on my head - i wont be here then, i'm going to be making a spectacle of myself in club med at that date. what do you guys say we postpone it in one week, so i could attend too? i'll be bringing the promised pizzas then, so there's an incentive :) -- mulix http://www.advogato.com/person/mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead
Re: Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs
I more then support the request. I personally voted by feet for vim after I couldn't find in Emacs a feature equivalent to word completion feature of vim (I mean Ctrl-n or Ctrl-p). This could be my first question for an Emacs guru... thanks, Stas Cherkassky Shlomi Fish wrote: A lecture which I personally am interested in is one in which the lecturer (who must be an Emacs expert) explain how to use Emacs for a long time without losing one's sanity. begin:vcard n:Cherkassky;Stas tel;cell:972 (0)54 261959 tel;fax:972 (0)4 9598112 tel;home:972 (0)4 8260905 tel;work:972 (0)4 9598125 x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:www.mobilian.com org:Mobilian adr:;; version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Senior Engineer x-mozilla-cpt:;18496 fn:Stas Cherkassky end:vcard
Re: Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Nadav Har'El wrote: What if I think that both vi and XEmacs are the best? Is there room for a double-agent in such a panel? :) of course there is. only one dimensional people see the world in black and white. i personally use both vi and emacs frequently, but for completely different purposes. nadav, you know you're always welcome to the panel. What about Sam (plan 9's editor, I think)? ed? ;) if you volunteer to talk about it, i volunteer to listen. Next shootout: which shell is better! bah, real man toggle memory bits with front panel switches. shells, and keyboards, are for weenies! -- mulix http://www.advogato.com/person/mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead
Re: Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Stas Cherkassky wrote: I more then support the request. I personally voted by feet for vim after I couldn't find in Emacs a feature equivalent to word completion feature of vim (I mean Ctrl-n or Ctrl-p). This could be my first question for an Emacs guru.. go no further: M-. (that is the meta key, followed by the dot key) -- mulix http://www.advogato.com/person/mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead
Re: Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, mulix wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Stas Cherkassky wrote: I more then support the request. I personally voted by feet for vim after I couldn't find in Emacs a feature equivalent to word completion feature of vim (I mean Ctrl-n or Ctrl-p). This could be my first question for an Emacs guru.. go no further: M-. (that is the meta key, followed by the dot key) doh! i shouldn't be doing email before drinking my first cup of coffee. word completion is M-/ , not M-. they were next to each other on the keyboard and i didnt look which key i was actually pressing before emailing ;) (btw, M-. is 'visit tags table'. wanna know what that means? good, because i want to know too) -- mulix http://www.advogato.com/person/mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead
Vi vs. (X)Emacs
Hi All. First I have a suggestion regarding Emacs: Shouldn't we put Emacs behind, and talk about Xemacs? As I see it, Xemacs is a fairly user-friendly editor with quite amazing de-facto extension capabilities. For instance, there's a little plug-in which makes it syntax-highlight MATLAB, which was very useful for me. And there's a Windows port for it, so I have a single editor for both environments. If you insist to learn the keystrokes, Xemacs is a soft start. They are available, yet you can do without them. In short: I think that teaching Emacs keystrokes is not in place. In my own practice, when I program for development, I use Xemacs with very few keystrokes, and when it's panic time I use vi because it's always there and always smells the same (well, some overenthusiastic guys have spoiled that too). The advanced issue are much more interesting, because that's where you get the useful information: How do I make syntax highlight to Commodure 64 BASIC? How do I pretty-print from Xemacs under Windows? How do I stop the annoying tabs that vim forces into my C code without me asking for it? How do I change the icons in Xemacs' toolbar to something I understand something from? I think that no less than one lecture on each editor will do the job. Eli
Re: Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs
On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 at 11:35:34AM +0300, Stas Cherkassky wrote: I more then support the request. I personally voted by feet for vim after I couldn't find in Emacs a feature equivalent to word completion feature of vim (I mean Ctrl-n or Ctrl-p). This could be my first question for an Emacs guru... There is a wonderfull Emacs feature called 'dynamic abbreviation' I will now type Cherk and hit Alt-/ (Meta-slash binded to 'dabbrev-expand') to get: Cherkassky !! I am going on vacation. I think I can help in a future QA answers about Gnu-Emacs but Sorry - I do not have a time to prepare a talk. More Emacs great features people often do not know about: M-x compile - compile with Gnu-make - easily brings you to next compilation error on any directory/file Gnu-make went into. M-x shell M-x find-file [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/pub Using Emacs find-file as an ftp interface! M-x mail Now you can easily edit the mail header. -- Yotam Medini (MS: IDC-4E) // (home:) haTamar 7 \\ Go .--. .--. -. -. [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Binyamina, 30500 \\ Linux, | | | | | | POBox 1659, Haifa 31015 // ISRAEL, (972) 4 6288995 \\ Go! | | | | | ' ISRAEL (972) 4 865-6181 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\ |__/_| | |
Re: Vi vs. (X)Emacs
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Eli Billauer wrote: In short: I think that teaching Emacs keystrokes is not in place. In my own practice, when I program for development, I use Xemacs with very few keystrokes, and when it's panic time I use vi because it's always there and always smellsthe same (well, some overenthusiastic guys have spoiled that too). The advanced issue are much more interesting, because that's where you get the useful information: How do I make syntax highlight to Commodure 64 BASIC? How do I pretty-print from Xemacs under Windows? How do I stop the annoying tabs that vim forces into my C code without me asking for it? How do I change the icons in Xemacs' toolbar to something I understand something from? Those are things that are spesifically interesting to you, and maybe not to others. Do you suggest that we start collecting such questions? -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
Re: Suggestion for a lecture: GNU/X Emacs
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Yotam Medini wrote: More Emacs great features people often do not know about: M-x compile - compile with Gnu-make - easily brings you to next compilation error on any directory/file Gnu-make went into. M-x shell M-x find-file [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/pub Using Emacs find-file as an ftp interface! M-x mail Now you can easily edit the mail header. And you could anyone forget, the best IDE debugger of all the times: M-x gdb -- Yotam Medini (MS: IDC-4E) // (home:) haTamar 7 \\ Go .--. .--. -. -. [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Binyamina, 30500 \\ Linux, || | | | | POBox 1659, Haifa 31015 // ISRAEL, (972) 4 6288995 \\ Go! || | | | ' ISRAEL (972) 4 865-6181 // [EMAIL PROTECTED] \\ |__/_| | |
VI vs. (X)Emacs
As those who know me know my point of view regarding this lovely subject (which again showed its truth, as I had to manage with a very low buad-rate connection from Norway), and as I think this thing is not a debatable topic (I mean, Vi is good for any purpose and Xemacs only if you have left only with one eye :), please no flames about it...). We could however, add it to the Welcome to Linux sets as one final lecture, which will also have the following religious wars: A) Bash/Zsh/tcsh B) Perl/C++/C C) Sholmif-R2L/Muli's-R2L/Guy's-R2L D) Judaism/Christanaty/Atheism. So see you in couple of weeks (Ill come back from Norway, and try to re-schedule everything, as we need to reserve the room...) Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems- Paul Erdos
I have a few quiestions to ask...
I have some questions to ask you guys about Linux: 1a. Heard it can run and boot from a CD. Can it run and run the X-Windows enviroment, and browse and run things from a read-only drive ? 1b. An idea that might be stupid but: Can I run only the X and the thing REQUIRED to browse with nothing else to a RAM disk (on 256MB RAM), while booting everything from a CD to the RAM. I don't know how. May using BusyBox, or by decompressing an image file, once that you reboot (I know it takes time, but I guess it would be once in a while, since you don't have to reboot Linux so much :). 2. Can I replicate hard-disks (Clonning) like I can do with Norton Ghost and Windows machines ...? I'm just tired to use Windows at work, while working with Linux at home. It's not fair. I want to have Linux at work... Thanks. Haim: The KOffice translation to hebrew is about 52% finished, means that the .NET would be only '.'. (Only an opinion, C# will be popular only in the MSCD courses). Jonathan Levi __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
I have a few quiestions to ask...
I have some questions to ask you guys about Linux: 1a. Heard it can run and boot from a CD. Can it run and run the X-Windows enviroment, and browse and run things from a read-only drive ? 1b. An idea that might be stupid but: Can I run only the X and the thing REQUIRED to browse with nothing else to a RAM disk (on 256MB RAM), while booting everything from a CD to the RAM. I don't know how. May using BusyBox, or by decompressing an image file, once that you reboot (I know it takes time, but I guess it would be once in a while, since you don't have to reboot Linux so much :). 2. Can I replicate hard-disks (Clonning) like I can do with Norton Ghost and Windows machines ...? I'm just tired to use Windows at work, while working with Linux at home. It's not fair. I want to have Linux at work... Thanks. Haim: The KOffice translation to hebrew is about 52% finished, means that the .NET would be only '.'. (Only an opinion, C# will be popular only in the MSCD courses). Jonathan Levi __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: I have a few quiestions to ask...
Hello, I have some questions to ask you guys about Linux: 1a. Heard it can run and boot from a CD. Can it run and run the X-Windows enviroment, and browse and run things from a read-only drive ? The answer is yes. A friend of mine has told me that such a distribution is in fact around. Sorry to have forgotten what the distribution's name was. Ringing anyone's bell? But there are lots of disadvandages in this way of working. Hardware configuration will remain very basic, for instance, since you can't save the configuration parameters. The question is how orthodox you are about getting your hard disk dirty. Because three very common alternatives are around. One is booting the Linux from the network, which is widely documented under the keyword diskless. (for example, http://www.ltsp.org/documentation/index.php). But you'll need a server for that on the network. You might not want to take it that far. The second, and local way for doing this, is by installing loop linux. Most people are scared off by the need to repartition their hard disk, but it's in fact not needed. You can create a file on the hard disk (usually a few hundred MB), which linux will treat as a hard disk partition for all purposes. No LILO, just a file and an icon on the Windows desktop, which reboots into Linux when clicked. (Mandrake 7.x comes with this) It's a bit slower that a regular installation. WinLinux, Loop Linux and loadlin are common keywords to get into business with that. The third, and simplest solution, I think, is to take an old computer, install Linux on it, put it on the network, and run a remote X terminal on your computer (under Windows). This will allow you to enjoy Linux without desocializing your computer. 1b. An idea that might be stupid but: Can I run only the X and the thing REQUIRED to browse with nothing else to a RAM disk (on 256MB RAM), while booting everything from a CD to the RAM. I don't know how. The answer, again, is yes. Those things are slightly tricky to configure, but once you'll get the hang on preparing (floppy) boot disks, this is achivable. But any of the previous options is better. 2. Can I replicate hard-disks (Clonning) like I can do with Norton Ghost and Windows machines ...? The answer is... yes. If two hard disks are physically identical, and one is at /dev/hda (source) and the second is /dev/hdb (destination), then become root and go: cat /dev/hda /dev/hdb (I deliberately didn't use dd, since it's needlessly exotic here). The truth is that I've never tried this, but I'll bring a pizza to the next Linux meeting if this doesn't work. NOTES: 1. Be sure you know which hard disk is which. Linux doesn't ask root if he is sure. 2. This will probably work on hard disks with different sizes, but checking the new hard drive's integrity afterwards is very recommended. Good Luck! Eli
Re: request to postpone the r2l project discussion on 30/7
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, mulix wrote: i just saw the date and a huge brick dropped on my head - i wont be here then, i'm going to be making a spectacle of myself in club med at that date. what do you guys say we postpone it in one week, so i could attend too? i'll be bringing the promised pizzas then, so there's an incentive :) another option is to have shlomi's 2nd part of the gimp lecture - and postpone the r2l meeting by 2 weeks, or this doesn't feet the time table (e.g. shlomi won't be eary in time, or this change will not go well with the lecture currently planed for 4 weeks from now? -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy
Re: Quickcam Web under Linux.
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Idan A. wrote: Do any of you happen to have any experience with installing Logitechs Quickcam Web camera or any other camera under Linux? Is there a kernel module for it? i suggest you first try to STFE for such a module (try www.google.com/linux with keywords like 'Logitech Quickcam kernel module', for example). if you fail to find an answer - try asking on a larger mailing list (e.g. linux-il's mailing list, find its address and subscription info on the 'mailing lists' section at www.linux.org.il). but ask there only after u tried STFEing. good luck, -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy
Re: I have a few quiestions to ask...
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jones Jones wrote: I have some questions to ask you guys about Linux: 1a. Heard it can run and boot from a CD. Can it run and run the X-Windows enviroment, and browse and run things from a read-only drive ? 1b. An idea that might be stupid but: Can I run only the X and the thing REQUIRED to browse with nothing else to a RAM disk (on 256MB RAM), while booting everything from a CD to the RAM. I don't know how. May using BusyBox, or by decompressing an image file, once that you reboot (I know it takes time, but I guess it would be once in a while, since you don't have to reboot Linux so much :). There are a number of such distributoins. Most notable is SuSE Live CD, which you can download from SuSE's site. There is also DemoLinux (a debian-based distro, IIRC) and a number of others. There are also a couple of such distributions tha are mainly intended to be rescue CDs (e.g.: BBC - Bootable Business Card) or firewalls (e.g. Gibraltar). The extra configuration is kept on a floppy. It is copied from there at boot time. Another option that saves you the partioning, with a price in performance (but not in usability other tha the consequenses of disk access speed) is to install a distro that uses a loop-mounted partition and installs its partition as a file on a win9x partition. Such are zipslack, Mandrake's lin4win, peanut linux, and a couple of other distros. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
Re: I have a few quiestions to ask...
Also... On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jones Jones wrote: 1a. Heard it can run and boot from a CD. Can it run and run the X-Windows enviroment, and browse and run things from a read-only drive ? http://www.linuxforum.org/plug/articles/cddistro.html -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
Re: request to postpone the r2l project discussion on 30/7
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, guy keren wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, mulix wrote: i just saw the date and a huge brick dropped on my head - i wont be here then, i'm going to be making a spectacle of myself in club med at that date. what do you guys say we postpone it in one week, so i could attend too? i'll be bringing the promised pizzas then, so there's an incentive :) another option is to have shlomi's 2nd part of the gimp lecture - and postpone the r2l meeting by 2 weeks, or this doesn't feet the time table (e.g. shlomi won't be eary in time, or this change will not go well with the lecture currently planed for 4 weeks from now? I'd rather have some more time to prepare the slides and get ready for the lecture. I think two weeks should do, but with all the time I spend riding my bicycle (that's what vacation days are for, IMO), I could be wrong. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A more experienced programmer does not make less bugs. He just realizes what went wrong more quickly.
Re: Vi vs. (X)Emacs
On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Eli Billauer wrote: Hi All. First I have a suggestion regarding Emacs: Shouldn't we put Emacs behind, and talk about Xemacs? As I see it, Xemacs is a fairly user-friendly editor with quite amazing de-facto extension capabilities. For instance, there's a little plug-in which makes it syntax-highlight MATLAB, which was very useful for me. And there's a Windows port for it, so I have a single editor for both environments. gvim can syntax-highlight Matlab too. At least the recent version of it can. And it, too, has a very nice Windows port. For information, consult: http://www.vim.org/ If you insist to learn the keystrokes, Xemacs is a soft start. They are available, yet you can do without them. In short: I think that teaching Emacs keystrokes is not in place. In my own practice, when I program for development, I use Xemacs with very few keystrokes, and when it's panic time I use vi because it's always there and always smells the same (well, some overenthusiastic guys have spoiled that too). Agh - customization. I want to learn how to operate Emacs out of the box. I also want how I can bind it to something else by messing with my .emacsrc file, but I think Muli should cover the default keybindings. If someone changes them and later they do not work on a different workstation, so be it. The advanced issue are much more interesting, because that's where you get the useful information: How do I make syntax highlight to Commodure 64 BASIC? How do I pretty-print from Xemacs under Windows? How do I stop the annoying tabs that vim forces into my C code without me asking for it? How do I change the icons in Xemacs' toolbar to something I understand something from? I think that no less than one lecture on each editor will do the job. Fine by me. However, I'd also like to know how to use Emacs without absolutely losing my mind. For instance, How do I access the menus using the keyboard? What I suggest is for people to try and use Emacs, and see where it starts to annoy them. Then, they should write down the things they tried to do and could not and send them to the lecturer (Muli, are you going to be it). The latter will research those things, write slides that describe how to do them, and tell about them in the lecture. Later we will have a real-time, face to face Questions and Answers session, where it is possible that we will try to find things on the fly. Regards, Shlomi Fish P.S: I think someone should implement a new (or additional) help system for Emacs. I could not find my hands or legs in it. Of course, the standard O-S mantra is that by someone I mean myself. But I have better things to do, so I'll keep it as a suggestion. We could register it as the next Haifux project. Eli -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A more experienced programmer does not make less bugs. He just realizes what went wrong more quickly.
Re: I have a few quiestions to ask...
Hi I used Norton Ghost to Clone dual boot computers. If the 2 computers have the same hard disk than the new computer is operational right away. if the disk size of the new computer is different than the original, lilo might fail, in this case boot from a Linux floppy/CD fix lilo configuration (the procedure was discussed at the past but if you need it just mail me) Shahar - Original Message - From: Jones Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: I have a few quiestions to ask... I have some questions to ask you guys about Linux: 1a. Heard it can run and boot from a CD. Can it run and run the X-Windows enviroment, and browse and run things from a read-only drive ? 1b. An idea that might be stupid but: Can I run only the X and the thing REQUIRED to browse with nothing else to a RAM disk (on 256MB RAM), while booting everything from a CD to the RAM. I don't know how. May using BusyBox, or by decompressing an image file, once that you reboot (I know it takes time, but I guess it would be once in a while, since you don't have to reboot Linux so much :). 2. Can I replicate hard-disks (Clonning) like I can do with Norton Ghost and Windows machines ...? I'm just tired to use Windows at work, while working with Linux at home. It's not fair. I want to have Linux at work... Thanks. Haim: The KOffice translation to hebrew is about 52% finished, means that the .NET would be only '.'. (Only an opinion, C# will be popular only in the MSCD courses). Jonathan Levi __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
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Hi Can one create his own Linux boot CD to match his computer needs? Shahar - Original Message - From: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jones Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: Re: I have a few quiestions to ask... Also... On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jones Jones wrote: 1a. Heard it can run and boot from a CD. Can it run and run the X-Windows enviroment, and browse and run things from a read-only drive ? http://www.linuxforum.org/plug/articles/cddistro.html -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
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yup, and unless i'm mistaken, eli gave a lecture on it. yup - http://linuxclub.il.eu.org/lectures/26 On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Shahar Dag wrote: Hi Can one create his own Linux boot CD to match his computer needs? Shahar -- mulix http://www.advogato.com/person/mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead
RE: I have a few quiestions to ask...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi all, I couldn't resist asking something. If i were to build some router using a computer rack with 3 nics and minimal memory like 64mb. Is there some cheaper way than a h.d to run a minimal version of linux besides a floppy disk, because i want to put snort and some other small network tools. I heard that there are some kind of h.d on a chip which linux can run on. (also it needs to be cheaper than a h.d or it will be meaningless) * - * - * Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax (+1 Outside the US) 240-597-3213 * - * - * - * - * - * - -Original Message- From: Shahar Dag [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 8:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I have a few quiestions to ask... Hi Can one create his own Linux boot CD to match his computer needs? Shahar - - Original Message - From: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jones Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: Re: I have a few quiestions to ask... Also... On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, 17 Jul 2001, Jones Jones wrote: 1a. Heard it can run and boot from a CD. Can it run and run the X-Windows enviroment, and browse and run things from a read-only drive ? http://www.linuxforum.org/plug/articles/cddistro.html -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 7.0 iQEVAwUBO1U5SCaCdtQzLDcxAQEh0Qf/S38gnN8fFCzVyO2/+8bI0lUzsG1kr2eq RKyl+BSO8G2BQBCC4iU/tF9h/4WtadQNyzxZWGhzK/H9xDVi2XYspLbKLvJuTbu4 ewiimNgSSy/5kkmOFLiVMf/ZVXWf3L32oR1Uv2wh45MQyu3MyO1KxWk7thXvQ8+U g8r70485K0pQOelFBA5Ea7irw+1msICFMGnpTpdz7PN0Wnb24M1mDta0JqfByU1P GGdrlXX5E7uhbeXuaxKj7+zWOkkrhx8Y2mSt0mhl95FnH2l+bpIGoRcfCbf97hKb Y8vfDhh/czGGoBidj662eDb6FGtNaNoHwQ88ifN7A0VMEgnGq10E8w== =OqQy -END PGP SIGNATURE-
