[Haifux] Re: RFC: Sys-call-track Meeting

2002-04-08 Thread Shlomi Fish

On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, guy keren wrote:


 On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Orna Agmon wrote:

   I would like to propose to make a sys-call-track developers' conference
   some time, in which we will discuss its future, its code, the good, the
   bad, what has to be improved, what is just as good as it is, etc etc.
 
  why developers conference? i think if you intend to present
  lex/yacc/(flex/bison)? it should be interesting maybe for a wider range of
  people.

 i'd like to second that. i don't think syscalltrack needs a 'specially
 crafted' lex/yacc demonstration (besides, some of us are already quite
 familiar with lex and yacc - we don't need it to be 'sold' to us, and
 neither do we need or want perl to be 'sold' to us).


I'm not trying to sell them. I want to have a meeting where I can finally
get some questions about SCT answered face to face, and we discuss it. I
suggested that I teach Lex and Yacc, using Perl as a tool to teach them,
to fill some of the time and do something useful with myself. And it's a
demo not a lecture.

I'm not going to fill a two hour lecture explaining a technical tool such
as Lex and Yacc. O'Reilly can fill a book about those two, but I have more
exciting things to do. I just see it as an absurd thing that the SCT
configurator is still not written using Lex and Yacc and that those tools
can make it so much simpler and easier to understand.

 as for something for Haifux itself - it might have a point. you just need
 to check first how many people already know lex and yacc usage in C, due
 to the mandatory 'compilation theory' CS course - it might be not
 that easy finding a common background for the possible audiance, but its
 do-able.


Like I said, I'm not so interested in Lex and Yacc to present a lecture on
them. I'm just trying to evanglize for our pet project. Let me know if
it's needed and if people wish to hear about it.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [Haifux] syscalltrack developers meeting

2002-04-08 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda

On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:30:18PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 I'm not trying to sell them. I want to have a meeting where I can finally
 get some questions about SCT answered face to face, and we discuss it. I
 suggested that I teach Lex and Yacc, using Perl as a tool to teach them,
 to fill some of the time and do something useful with myself. And it's a
 demo not a lecture.

If you put it that way - sounds great! Do you want to schedule it as
part of the next meeting, or as a special meeting? either way, I'm
game.

 I'm not going to fill a two hour lecture explaining a technical tool such
 as Lex and Yacc. O'Reilly can fill a book about those two, but I have more
 exciting things to do. I just see it as an absurd thing that the SCT
 configurator is still not written using Lex and Yacc and that those tools
 can make it so much simpler and easier to understand.

If you build it, they will come
If you send us a patch, we'll apply it in a jiffie. 
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The ill-formed Orange
Fails to satisfy the eye:   http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/
Segmentation fault. http://syscalltrack.sf.net/

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[Haifux] Re: syscalltrack developers meeting

2002-04-08 Thread Shlomi Fish

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:

 On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:30:18PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:

  I'm not trying to sell them. I want to have a meeting where I can finally
  get some questions about SCT answered face to face, and we discuss it. I
  suggested that I teach Lex and Yacc, using Perl as a tool to teach them,
  to fill some of the time and do something useful with myself. And it's a
  demo not a lecture.

 If you put it that way - sounds great! Do you want to schedule it as
 part of the next meeting, or as a special meeting? either way, I'm
 game.


I'd like it to be a dedicated meeting.

  I'm not going to fill a two hour lecture explaining a technical tool such
  as Lex and Yacc. O'Reilly can fill a book about those two, but I have more
  exciting things to do. I just see it as an absurd thing that the SCT
  configurator is still not written using Lex and Yacc and that those tools
  can make it so much simpler and easier to understand.

 If you build it, they will come
 If you send us a patch, we'll apply it in a jiffie.


OK. But my incenitive for giving a demo is also to make sure people learn
Lex and Yacc and how easy it is to use them. You don't really have to read
the Dragon book in order to use them. I know I grokked them, with only
having an intuitive conception of it.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish


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