Re: [LINK] Teaching Encryption Soon to be ILLEGAL w/o a PERMIT

2015-05-29 Thread David Lochrin
If the Attorney General's understanding of cryptography is as good as his 
understanding of metadata then we're in for a rough time.  The notion that your 
average terrorist will be off writing their own cutting-edge unbreakable 
cryptographic software without a specialist higher degree in mathematics, if 
that's what he's imagining, is risible.

And if a group with the resources of ISIL wants to roll their own I'm quite 
sure they could do so without being in the least affected by this legislation.

However I wonder if it's really directed at quantum computing which is still 
actively being researched here, for example Commonwealth Bank invests $5m in 
quantum computing dated Dec 2014 at
https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-technology/commonwealth-bank-invests-5m-quantum-computing

David L.

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On 2015-05-27 13:32 Paul Brooks wrote:

 Tempered somewhat by exemptions: (http://www.defence.gov.au/DECO/DSGL.asp)
 ---
 
 The DSGL contains a number of exemptions that can apply to technology that may
 otherwise be controlled. These include technology that is::
 
   * 'in the public domain' - if the technology is already available to the 
 public, for
 example, in publications, product brochures and public blogs, websites, 
 podcasts
 or databases, then it is not controlled. This exemption applies to all 
 software
 and technology in the DSGL;
   * 'basic scientific research' - any technology which extends only to the
 /fundamental principles of phenomena or observable facts/, and is /not
 primarily directed towards a specific practical aim or objective/, falls 
 within
 the definition of basic scientific research, and would therefore not be
 controlled. This exemption applies to all technology listed on the DSGL.
 
 ---
 
 So developing a completely new algorithm using 4096 bit keys and teaching 
 that might
 need a permit - but teaching standard Diffie-Hellman key exchange and public 
 key
 encryption isn't, even with 4096bit keys, its already published.

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Re: [LINK] Teaching Encryption Soon to be ILLEGAL w/o a PERMIT

2015-05-27 Thread David Boxall
On 27/05/2015 1:32 PM, Paul Brooks wrote:
 Tempered somewhat by exemptions: (http://www.defence.gov.au/DECO/DSGL.asp)
 ---
 ...
 From the comments to the Conversation article:
 ... in the US it's ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations). The 
 famous US crypto wars of the 90s were largely over ITAR's treatment of 
 cryptogrpahy.

 ITAR has also had quite a strong effect on cryptography research in the US - 
 conferences and research are divided into ITAR and non-ITAR streams, and 
 technology is sometimes advertised as being ITAR-free, for instance. ITAR 
 has its problems and is still a matter of controversy.

 But the Australian laws are significantly worse. The US ITAR regulations have 
 broader exceptions. They explicitly exclude all basic and applied research in 
 science and engineering. And my understanding is they don't have such a broad 
 criminalisation of intangible supplies of dual use technology.

PPAU has decided that, while it's not good, they have bigger fish to fry:
https://discuss.pirateparty.org.au/t/defence-trade-controls-amendment-bill-2015/488/2

A good summary of the Act and amendments, as proposed:
http://www.curiousefficiency.org/posts/2015/01/dtca-public-consultation.html

It looks like, as usual, we've followed the US only worse.

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Re: [LINK] Teaching Encryption Soon to be ILLEGAL w/o a PERMIT

2015-05-26 Thread David Boxall
On 27/05/2015 9:43 AM, Jan Whitaker wrote:
 This is daft.

 Teaching Encryption Soon to Be Illegal in Australia
 http://bitcoinist.net/teaching-encryption-soon-illegal-australia/
  Natalie Johnson
  May 23, 2015
 ...

Covered in The Conversation.
https://theconversation.com/paranoid-defence-controls-could-criminalise-teaching-encryption-41238

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[LINK] Teaching Encryption Soon to be ILLEGAL w/o a PERMIT

2015-05-26 Thread Jan Whitaker
This is daft. 

Teaching Encryption Soon to Be Illegal in Australia
http://bitcoinist.net/teaching-encryption-soon-illegal-australia/
Natalie Johnson
May 23, 2015


Under the Defence Trade Control Act (DTCA), Australians could face up to ten 
years in prison for teaching encryption. Criminal charges will go into effect 
next year. The new legislation will make it illegal for Australians to  teach 
or provide information on encryption without having a permit.

Australia’s Department of Defence originally passed the Defence Trade Control 
Act on November 13, 2012. However, amendments were made to the DTCA and passed 
into law just last month in April. There is a 12-month implementation period, 
so Australians are safe for now.

The purpose of this law is to control the transfer of defense and strategic 
goods technologies. The Australian government says it wants “to strengthen 
Australia’s export controls, and to stop technology that can be used in 
conventional and weapons of mass destruction from getting into the wrong hands…”

The Defense and Strategic Goods List (DSGL) goes hand in hand with the Defense 
Trade Control Act. The DTCA prohibits anyone without a permit from supplying 
“DSGL technology” to anyone outside of Australia. Since encryption falls within 
these classifications, any citizen of Australia who shares information on 
encryption with a person outside the country Australian Government Dept of 
Defencecould face criminal charges.

Teachers at schools or universities will have to be approved to teach 
encryption if students are outside of Australia. This presents unique 
challenges in regards to online education and international students. 
Researchers and those who publish information on encryption will also be 
affected. The DTCA could also impact open source privacy software and the 
computer security industry.

It is also important to consider the implications of this law for digital 
currencies such as Bitcoin. Advanced encryption techniques are at the heart of 
Bitcoin and digital currency. In cryptography, encryption is one of the primary 
techniques that gives digital currency users anonymity.

The Defence Trade Control Act is not the only piece of legislation threatening 
change to Australia’s Bitcoin landscape. However, what does it mean for the 
future? The progress and development of digital currency and open source 
projects rely on a constant free flow of information, shared among people 
worldwide. Due to the nature of sharing information, anyone in the world could 
be affected by the restrictions of the DTCA, not just Australians.

Is this new Australian law an act of censorship or the government’s way of 
protecting “national defense”? Please give your comments!




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