Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do

[Stephen Loosley]

 On Mon, 04 Jul 2016, David wrote  

>On 04/07/2016 12:39, Brendan wrote: 
>> 
>> The corollary to this though is that if you don't like Windows 10, you 
>> should have a migration plan in place by 2020. Almost by definition that 
>> migration must be to some flavour of Linux. 
> 
> I suppose that depends on how many people migrate to a non-Microsoft tablet 
> device as their only computer. And if large numbers do so, the paradigm of 
> the personal (desktop or tablet) computer as a commercial platform will 
> surely become general. And I wonder how Microsoft et al will cater for 
> non-personal users? ... There should be an opening for a Linux tablet 
> device... 


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/04/android_tablets_too_bitter_a_pill_for_dell
  4th Jul 2016 by Richard Chirgwin (snipped)

Dell is getting out of the Android tablet market, citing oversaturation and 
weak overseas demand for a decision to quit offering the operating system on 
its Venue tablets.

Its response to all comers is to say the market is oversaturated, something its 
Kirk Schell blogged about (without mentioning Android).

Schell's pitch is, however, relevant to the 'droid exit, and might hint that 
other tablets are falling out of favour. 

He writes that “according to Gartner, only 17 percent of consumer respondents 
in mature markets intend to buy a tablet in the next 12 months – one of the 
lowest percentages in the past decade. And according to IDC, last quarter, pure 
slate tablets experienced their greatest annual decline to date of -21.1 
percent.”

With Windows 10, Dell reckons that the 8.1-million-device-per-quarter sales in 
the two-in-one market is better worth its effort.

The two-in-one market is the official Way of the Future (TM) because they offer 
“a laptop-first experience with the convenience of a tablet when needed. This 
is where our customers are asking us to invest and innovate”.

The company will also quit updating Android.

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Cheers,
Stephen



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Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do?

[David Lochrin]

On 04/07/2016 12:39, Brendan wrote:


The corollary to this though is that if you don't like Windows 10, you should 
have a migration plan in place by 2020. Almost by definition that migration 
must be to some flavour of Linux.


I suppose that depends on how many people migrate to a non-Microsoft tablet 
device as their only computer.  And if large numbers do so, the paradigm of the 
personal (desktop or tablet) computer as a commercial platform will surely 
become general.  And I wonder how Microsoft et al will cater for non-personal 
users?

I migrated to SuSE Linux 9.1 around 15 years ago, and updates for the "Evergreen" version 
11.4 have been published continually since March 2011.  Unfortunately that version has a glitzy 
user-interface known as "Plasma" which can be configured around, but it resulted in 
code-fork known as Trinity which maintains the Windows-7 type UI.

There should be an opening for a Linux tablet device...

David L.
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Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do?

[Fernando Cassia]

On 7/4/16, David Lochrin  wrote:
> QUOTE
> Windows 10 is a completely new and very different Windows.  Nothing like
> anything you have used before.
>
> It is primarily an advertising/sales vehicle.

That probably explains the "Star Wars" screen lock image with "Like
what you see?" (clicking leads to Star Wars online advert).

But then, if you're on a resources-constrained machine, it should be
noted that Vista 10 ^B^B^B^B Windows 10 uses less RAM and HDD space
compared to Win8 / 8.1

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/faster-booting-smaller-footprint-make-windows-10-an-easy-upgrade-for-old-pcs/

Given all downsides wrt Microsoft's OS(s), Win10 actually looks like a
step ahead in that sense (resource usages) contrary to what has been
happening since WinNT (each new version using more resources, not
less).

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Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do?

[Brendan]

On 07/04/2016 12:21 PM, David Lochrin wrote:

What Microsoft is trying to do is explained in the post "Canadian
Tech replied on July 22nd, 2015" just over half-way down at:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/how-do-i-remove-the-windows-10-upgrade-nag-program/8b336d14-50fc-420c-85f6-8ec31473beda?auth=1


[]


So, if you like Windows 7, and most do very much so, I advise you to
reject Windows 10 for the foreseeable future.  Be advised that
Microsoft has committed to support Windows 7 until at least January,
2020.  Most of your current computers will last that long. UNQUOTE


The corollary to this though is that if you don't like Windows 10, you should 
have a migration plan in place by 2020. Almost by definition that migration 
must be to some flavour of Linux.

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Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do?

[David Lochrin]

What Microsoft is trying to do is explained in the post "Canadian Tech replied on 
July 22nd, 2015" just over half-way down at:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/how-do-i-remove-the-windows-10-upgrade-nag-program/8b336d14-50fc-420c-85f6-8ec31473beda?auth=1

QUOTE
Windows 10 is a completely new and very different Windows.  Nothing like 
anything you have used before.

It is primarily an advertising/sales vehicle.

By adopting Windows 10, you sacrifice any privacy — essentially, anything on 
your computer is Microsoft’s and its partner’s to use as they see fit.

Windows Update becomes non-optional.  You, as owner of your system no longer 
have control over what happens to your computer.  Microsoft will re-make 
Windows (on your computer) into what serves its purposes without asking your 
permission or opinion.

Windows 10 as a system is still full of un-fulfilled promises and bugs.  Many 
of your programs will not run on Windows 10.  In fact, the “upgrade” process 
removes some.

So, if you like Windows 7, and most do very much so, I advise you to reject 
Windows 10 for the foreseeable future.  Be advised that Microsoft has committed 
to support Windows 7 until at least January, 2020.  Most of your current 
computers will last that long.
UNQUOTE

This post mentions a list of updates which should be removed in order to get 
rid of the nag screen, but the main one seems to be KB3035583.

If the Windows-Update option “check for updates, but let me choose whether to 
download and install them” is selected, Microsoft will download “important” 
updates like KB3035583 and mark them as “selected”.  If not discovered before 
shut-down, they will be installed during the shut-down process.  Therefore the 
available updates should always be reviewed and that one unchecked.

David L.
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Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do?

[Jim Birch]

If you run an OS that is not receiving regular security updates, you are
probably a menace to yourself and others.  This might not apply to experts
and machines running in secured environments but the average user should be
running a current OS.  The botnets of the Internet have been largely build
from old versions of Windows.   Apple moved to a continuous update model
and it is good that Windows is doing the same.  No security is perfect but
this is a big step in the right direction.

Jim
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Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do?

[David Boxall]

On 3/07/2016 2:35 PM, Andy Farkas wrote:


 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/01/microsoft_gets_creepy_with_win10/

And from the first comment:

 
https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/06/30/226257/upgradesubscriptionexe-file-in-preview-build-hints-at-windows-10-subscriptions
...



or
net stop wuauserv
sc config wuauserv start= disabled
but there's evidently a scheduled job somewhere that will restart it 
regularly.


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Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do?

[Paul Bolger]

I remember trying to buy a laptop a few years ago without Windows. The salesman 
told me that it was mandatory and that it was comparable to "the registration 
for your car."



> 
> Try buying a system *without* an M$ OS on it!
> 
> -andyf
> 
> PS. of the myriad of options out there, I'd recommend trying PC-BSD,
> Linux Mint, or Fedora 24.
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Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do?

[Andy Farkas]

On 03/07/2016 14:52, JanW wrote:

I reckon my machine(s) are optimised for whatever OEM OS version they came 
with. I only upgrade OS when I buy new hardware.


Try buying a system *without* an M$ OS on it!


What is irritating, though, is providing support in our computer club just 
doubled again. And since I haven't upgraded, I'm pretty much stabbing in the 
dark when it comes to answers unless I can get my hands on their machine. From 
there it's not too difficult, but no more phone/email support from me.



Users are being *forced* to upgrade to windex. As a support technician 
you have no choice.


As a support technician *I* have no choice. I'm contemplating retiring 
early...


I read this recently, makes sense to me:

https://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/winstupid/1 



-andyf

PS. of the myriad of options out there, I'd recommend trying PC-BSD, 
Linux Mint, or Fedora 24.


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Re: [LINK] What is Mircosoft trying to do?

[JanW]

Thanks, Andy

I haven't upgraded and don't intend to. I reckon my machine(s) are optimised 
for whatever OEM OS version they came with. I only upgrade OS when I buy new 
hardware. That's a few years away yet, perhaps.

What is irritating, though, is providing support in our computer club just 
doubled again. And since I haven't upgraded, I'm pretty much stabbing in the 
dark when it comes to answers unless I can get my hands on their machine. From 
there it's not too difficult, but no more phone/email support from me.

Jan

At 02:35 PM 3/07/2016, Andy Farkas wrote:

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/01/microsoft_gets_creepy_with_win10/
>
>And from the first comment:
>
> https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/06/30/226257/upgradesubscriptionexe-file-in-preview-build-hints-at-windows-10-subscriptions
>
>-andyf  <-- happily running FreeBSD with x.org and xfce4 since late last 
>century
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