Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Charles MacDonald]

On 2023-04-03 11:48, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:

Hi there,

What is Joseph Potvin doing now?

-Katie


For a while he was pushing "Moose Rail"  _ wide bandwith sort of person, 
proably has a dozen things on the go.



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Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Katherine Mcmillan]

Hi Tug,

  1.  Really just for formality (ex. maintaining Bylaws, "voting members" list, 
some kind of regular meeting schedule, AGMs), and tax purposes, ex. maintaining 
a bank account, should we ever receive sponsors or donations, to be able to 
handle those appropriately.  I have really appreciated having a formal 
Treasurer in different situations.  Shout outs to Kristof Provost (EuroBSDCon) 
and Mark Wong (US PostgreSQL Association) who are superb Treasurers!
  2.  For the Mastodon account, I was thinking that it wouldn't replace, but 
would supplement, the mailing list (so as you say, we would offer it as an 
additional service).  It wouldn't be required in any way, just an add-on.  I'm 
thinking a post each month to remind about meetings, and maybe the odd 
additional special post.  Yes, I think that all posts would have to be approved 
by the Board, but only by majority vote.  For a story related to that, you can 
message me privately about Beastie being upfront in the current EuroBSDCon 2023 
banner art.  I think there should be two or three admins for the account.  This 
is all just brainstorming, but I like the notion and execution of that Mastodon 
Canada group.

Sincerely,
Katie



From: Tug Williams 
Sent: 03 April 2023 11:11
To: Katherine Mcmillan ; Scott Murphy 

Cc: Linux-Ottawa 
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

Attention : courriel externe | external email
1) What are your reasons for wanting to maintain a Corporation?


2)What would the purpose of a Mastodon account? Would it replace the mailing 
list, or as an additional service that duplicates information on the mailing 
list? Everyone has email, not everyone has mastodon. Email has stood the test 
of time - however flawed.


Would all mastodon posts need to be approved by the board? I doubt this group 
has "one voice" we would all agree on.



On 03/04/2023 10:37, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
Hello all,

I realize that if I'm going to push for keeping the OCUUG alive, I'm going to 
have to work on a strategy for this.

Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not sure who all 
is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me, we should have enough 
people for a full non-profit Board where administrative tasks could be doled 
out in a reasonable way.  It sounds like Alayne could be a good fit for this as 
well.

I'd be willing to reach out to another *BSD contact of mine in Ottawa who might 
be open to helping as well.  Please bear in mind that although it's a family of 
systems, as we all know, when you say that something is "Linux focussed" there 
are a whole bunch of great people that simply won't participate.  There are 
people in the *BSD community, for example, that wear "I Love SystemD" tshirts 
as a sarcastic joke, and the other developers laugh.  However, in my 
experience, when you state that something is "Unix focussed" it doesn't make a 
whole bunch of Linux devs/users get up and leave, or wear sarcastic clothing 
(although sarcastic clothing may be worn for other reasons).

I'm willing to promote the group at the local Universities, at relevant 
conferences (ex. BSDCan), and in other appropriate circles.  I think we should 
consider making a Mastodon account for the group on here: 
https://mstdn.ca/home.  I am willing to take that on.

I think that we should keep an eye on who fills this: 
https://bb.wd3.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/BlackBerry/job/Ottawa-Ontario/Open-Source-Analyst_20211653?source=indeed.
  Keeping in mind that Blackberry is heavily involved in QNX development, and 
are actively trying to liaise with open source communities.
Although, looking at the stats, I'm not sure:
[cid:part1.RoOgXBMs.rWMn4M8n@gmail.com]

For the record, I am not an applicant for this.

Is anyone on the Illumos mailing lists?

Sincerely,
Katie

From: Scott Murphy
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2023 17:06
To: Katherine Mcmillan
Cc: Linux-Ottawa
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

OCUUG (later Ocbug) was mostly social with occasional technical content. I 
think it started as a technical group and eventually became more social, at 
least that is my memory of it. I was not part of the early years.

The old website is still up, sporting my mock license plate: http://ocuug.on.ca

I may still have access to modify things, but it was a very long time ago and 
might take me a while to locate the credentials.

Cheers,
Scott
--
Scott Murphy
scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com

On Mar 31, 2023, at 15:30, Katherine Mcmillan 
mailto:kmcmi...@uottawa.ca>> wrote:

Illumos would be a great one to include too.

-Katie

From: Katherine Mcmillan mailto:kmcmi...@uottawa.ca>>
Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18
To: Richard Guy Briggs mailto:r...@tricolour.ca>>
Cc: Tug Williams mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>>; 
Linux-Ottawa mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org>>
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG mee

Re: Fw: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Katherine Mcmillan]

Fair enough, I don't know him.

-Katie

From: Richard Guy Briggs 
Sent: 03 April 2023 12:10
To: Katherine Mcmillan 
Cc: Linux-Ottawa 
Subject: Re: Fw: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

Attention : courriel externe | external email

On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> Richard,
>
> Can you ask him if he is willing to help us resurrect OCUUG?

I don't understand why I would ask him that...

> I can follow-up with Diane, I'm going to do this for my own reasons anyway.
>
> -Katie
>
> 
> From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> Sent: 03 April 2023 11:55
> To: Katherine Mcmillan 
> Cc: Rick Leir ; OCLUG 
> Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
>
> Attention : courriel externe | external email
>
> On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > What is Joseph Potvin doing now?
>
> Haven't spoken to him in at least a year, but he was heavily invested in
> an internet of rules, Xalgorithms.
>
> > -Katie
> > 
> > From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > Sent: 03 April 2023 10:56
> > To: Rick Leir 
> > Cc: OCLUG 
> > Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> >
> > Attention : courriel externe | external email
> >
> > On 23/04/03, Rick Leir wrote:
> > > RGB
> > > Tell me about GOSLINGS please, I think there was a political side to that?
> >
> > Getting Open Source Logic Into Government
> >
> > It had a run of about 15 years.  Joseph Potvin was one of the primaries
> > behind it with strong support from MCR and Russell McOrmond.  It was
> > hosted at the Parliament Pub for years until the NCC had other ideas for
> > that space.  It was then hosted by Mike Gifford (Open Concept).
> > Xellerance(sp?) was also involved.
> > Officially, Linux wasn't supported in federal government IT, but there
> > was enough skunkwork activity that it took hold from the bottom up as
> > well as being worked on from the top down.
> >
> > > And cc the list if you like!
> > > Cheers
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > On April 2, 2023 10:21:15 PM EDT, Richard Guy Briggs  
> > > wrote:
> > > >On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote:
> > > >> We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos
> > > >> http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D
> > > >
> > > >Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS...  That photo was from Open Concept
> > > >Consulting's office on Somerset W...
> > > >
> > > >> On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan 
> > > >>  wrote:
> > > >> >Illumos would be a great one to include too.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >-Katie
> > > >> >
> > > >> >From: Katherine Mcmillan 
> > > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18
> > > >> >To: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> > > >> >
> > > >> >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it 
> > > >> >stop existing?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now?  
> > > >> >Don't get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with 
> > > >> >Scott, Ian and others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Sincerely,
> > > >> >Katie
> > > >> >
> > > >> >From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20
> > > >> >To: Katherine Mcmillan 
> > > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Attention : courriel externe | external email
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> > > >> >> Hi Tug,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about 
> > > >> >> forming an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds 
> > > >> >> terrible, and it can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I 
> > > >> >> suppose it could be "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG").  I ask for several 
> > > >> >> reasons:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG.  They effectively became OCBUG.
>

Re: Fw: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> Richard,
> 
> Can you ask him if he is willing to help us resurrect OCUUG?

I don't understand why I would ask him that...

> I can follow-up with Diane, I'm going to do this for my own reasons anyway.
> 
> -Katie
> 
> 
> From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> Sent: 03 April 2023 11:55
> To: Katherine Mcmillan 
> Cc: Rick Leir ; OCLUG 
> Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> 
> Attention : courriel externe | external email
> 
> On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > What is Joseph Potvin doing now?
> 
> Haven't spoken to him in at least a year, but he was heavily invested in
> an internet of rules, Xalgorithms.
> 
> > -Katie
> > 
> > From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > Sent: 03 April 2023 10:56
> > To: Rick Leir 
> > Cc: OCLUG 
> > Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> >
> > Attention : courriel externe | external email
> >
> > On 23/04/03, Rick Leir wrote:
> > > RGB
> > > Tell me about GOSLINGS please, I think there was a political side to that?
> >
> > Getting Open Source Logic Into Government
> >
> > It had a run of about 15 years.  Joseph Potvin was one of the primaries
> > behind it with strong support from MCR and Russell McOrmond.  It was
> > hosted at the Parliament Pub for years until the NCC had other ideas for
> > that space.  It was then hosted by Mike Gifford (Open Concept).
> > Xellerance(sp?) was also involved.
> > Officially, Linux wasn't supported in federal government IT, but there
> > was enough skunkwork activity that it took hold from the bottom up as
> > well as being worked on from the top down.
> >
> > > And cc the list if you like!
> > > Cheers
> > > Rick
> > >
> > > On April 2, 2023 10:21:15 PM EDT, Richard Guy Briggs  
> > > wrote:
> > > >On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote:
> > > >> We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos
> > > >> http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D
> > > >
> > > >Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS...  That photo was from Open Concept
> > > >Consulting's office on Somerset W...
> > > >
> > > >> On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan 
> > > >>  wrote:
> > > >> >Illumos would be a great one to include too.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >-Katie
> > > >> >
> > > >> >From: Katherine Mcmillan 
> > > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18
> > > >> >To: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> > > >> >
> > > >> >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it 
> > > >> >stop existing?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now?  
> > > >> >Don't get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with 
> > > >> >Scott, Ian and others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Sincerely,
> > > >> >Katie
> > > >> >
> > > >> >From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20
> > > >> >To: Katherine Mcmillan 
> > > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Attention : courriel externe | external email
> > > >> >
> > > >> >On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> > > >> >> Hi Tug,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about 
> > > >> >> forming an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds 
> > > >> >> terrible, and it can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I 
> > > >> >> suppose it could be "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG").  I ask for several 
> > > >> >> reasons:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG.  They effectively became OCBUG.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>   1.  I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a 
> > > >> >> *BSD focussed international conference).
> > > >> >>   2.  BSDCan is coming up in Ottawa!
> > > >> >>   3.  I recently attended a Calgary Uni

Fw: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Katherine Mcmillan]

Richard,

Can you ask him if he is willing to help us resurrect OCUUG?

I can follow-up with Diane, I'm going to do this for my own reasons anyway.

-Katie


From: Richard Guy Briggs 
Sent: 03 April 2023 11:55
To: Katherine Mcmillan 
Cc: Rick Leir ; OCLUG 
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

Attention : courriel externe | external email

On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> What is Joseph Potvin doing now?

Haven't spoken to him in at least a year, but he was heavily invested in
an internet of rules, Xalgorithms.

> -Katie
> 
> From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> Sent: 03 April 2023 10:56
> To: Rick Leir 
> Cc: OCLUG 
> Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
>
> Attention : courriel externe | external email
>
> On 23/04/03, Rick Leir wrote:
> > RGB
> > Tell me about GOSLINGS please, I think there was a political side to that?
>
> Getting Open Source Logic Into Government
>
> It had a run of about 15 years.  Joseph Potvin was one of the primaries
> behind it with strong support from MCR and Russell McOrmond.  It was
> hosted at the Parliament Pub for years until the NCC had other ideas for
> that space.  It was then hosted by Mike Gifford (Open Concept).
> Xellerance(sp?) was also involved.
> Officially, Linux wasn't supported in federal government IT, but there
> was enough skunkwork activity that it took hold from the bottom up as
> well as being worked on from the top down.
>
> > And cc the list if you like!
> > Cheers
> > Rick
> >
> > On April 2, 2023 10:21:15 PM EDT, Richard Guy Briggs  
> > wrote:
> > >On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote:
> > >> We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos
> > >> http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D
> > >
> > >Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS...  That photo was from Open Concept
> > >Consulting's office on Somerset W...
> > >
> > >> On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> >Illumos would be a great one to include too.
> > >> >
> > >> >-Katie
> > >> >
> > >> >From: Katherine Mcmillan 
> > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18
> > >> >To: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> > >> >
> > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> > >> >
> > >> >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it 
> > >> >stop existing?
> > >> >
> > >> >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now?  Don't 
> > >> >get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with Scott, Ian 
> > >> >and others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group.
> > >> >
> > >> >Sincerely,
> > >> >Katie
> > >> >
> > >> >From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20
> > >> >To: Katherine Mcmillan 
> > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> > >> >
> > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> > >> >
> > >> >Attention : courriel externe | external email
> > >> >
> > >> >On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> > >> >> Hi Tug,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about 
> > >> >> forming an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds 
> > >> >> terrible, and it can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I 
> > >> >> suppose it could be "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG").  I ask for several 
> > >> >> reasons:
> > >> >
> > >> >OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG.  They effectively became OCBUG.
> > >> >
> > >> >>   1.  I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a *BSD 
> > >> >> focussed international conference).
> > >> >>   2.  BSDCan is coming up in Ottawa!
> > >> >>   3.  I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting 
> > >> >> (thanks all for including me if any of you are on this list!)  Theo 
> > >> >> de Raadt was speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness.  It 
> > >> >> seemed like a successful user group and approach.
> > >> >>   4.  There are a number of people based in Ott

Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> What is Joseph Potvin doing now?

Haven't spoken to him in at least a year, but he was heavily invested in
an internet of rules, Xalgorithms.

> -Katie
> 
> From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> Sent: 03 April 2023 10:56
> To: Rick Leir 
> Cc: OCLUG 
> Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> 
> Attention : courriel externe | external email
> 
> On 23/04/03, Rick Leir wrote:
> > RGB
> > Tell me about GOSLINGS please, I think there was a political side to that?
> 
> Getting Open Source Logic Into Government
> 
> It had a run of about 15 years.  Joseph Potvin was one of the primaries
> behind it with strong support from MCR and Russell McOrmond.  It was
> hosted at the Parliament Pub for years until the NCC had other ideas for
> that space.  It was then hosted by Mike Gifford (Open Concept).
> Xellerance(sp?) was also involved.
> Officially, Linux wasn't supported in federal government IT, but there
> was enough skunkwork activity that it took hold from the bottom up as
> well as being worked on from the top down.
> 
> > And cc the list if you like!
> > Cheers
> > Rick
> >
> > On April 2, 2023 10:21:15 PM EDT, Richard Guy Briggs  
> > wrote:
> > >On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote:
> > >> We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos
> > >> http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D
> > >
> > >Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS...  That photo was from Open Concept
> > >Consulting's office on Somerset W...
> > >
> > >> On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan 
> > >>  wrote:
> > >> >Illumos would be a great one to include too.
> > >> >
> > >> >-Katie
> > >> >
> > >> >From: Katherine Mcmillan 
> > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18
> > >> >To: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> > >> >
> > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> > >> >
> > >> >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it 
> > >> >stop existing?
> > >> >
> > >> >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now?  Don't 
> > >> >get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with Scott, Ian 
> > >> >and others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group.
> > >> >
> > >> >Sincerely,
> > >> >Katie
> > >> >
> > >> >From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> > >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20
> > >> >To: Katherine Mcmillan 
> > >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> > >> >
> > >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> > >> >
> > >> >Attention : courriel externe | external email
> > >> >
> > >> >On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> > >> >> Hi Tug,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about 
> > >> >> forming an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds 
> > >> >> terrible, and it can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I 
> > >> >> suppose it could be "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG").  I ask for several 
> > >> >> reasons:
> > >> >
> > >> >OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG.  They effectively became OCBUG.
> > >> >
> > >> >>   1.  I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a *BSD 
> > >> >> focussed international conference).
> > >> >>   2.  BSDCan is coming up in Ottawa!
> > >> >>   3.  I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting 
> > >> >> (thanks all for including me if any of you are on this list!)  Theo 
> > >> >> de Raadt was speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness.  It 
> > >> >> seemed like a successful user group and approach.
> > >> >>   4.  There are a number of people based in Ottawa and Quebec that 
> > >> >> are *BSD users/developers/advocates, and more recently I've come 
> > >> >> across some QNX and Darwin people. There seems to be potential for a 
> > >> >> collaborative approach to leveraging Unix and Unix-like operating 
> > >> >> systems.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sincerely,
> > >> >> Katie
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> From: Tug William

Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> Okay! I think this is who Dru Lavigne had mentioned.

Most likely.  Diane Bruce has been invovled with BSDCan for many years.

> Sincerely,
> Katie
> 
> From: Scott Murphy 
> Sent: 03 April 2023 11:18
> To: Richard Guy Briggs 
> Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; Dianne Skoll ; 
> Linux-Ottawa 
> Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> 
> Attention : courriel externe | external email
> Diane Bruce was part of the old OCUUG, as well as the currently stalled OCBUG.
> 
> --
> Scott Murphy
> scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com
> 
> On Apr 3, 2023, at 11:16, Richard Guy Briggs 
> mailto:r...@tricolour.ca>> wrote:
> 
> On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> Hi Dianne,
> 
> Fair enough, sorry, I'm not sure who is currently on the OCLUG Board - just 
> pulling names out of a hat.
> 
> Diane Bruce?
> 
> Sincerely,
> Katie
> 
> From: Dianne Skoll mailto:dia...@skoll.ca>>
> Sent: 03 April 2023 10:55
> Cc: Linux-Ottawa mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> 
> Attention : courriel externe | external email
> 
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:37:42 +
> Katherine Mcmillan mailto:kmcmi...@uottawa.ca>> wrote:
> 
> Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not
> sure who all is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me,
> we should have enough people for a full non-profit Board
> 
> If by "Diane" you mean me... no, I am not on the board and I haven't
> participated much at OCLUG for many years apart from the mailing list.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dianne.
> 
> slainte mhath, RGB

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Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Katherine Mcmillan]

Hi there,

What is Joseph Potvin doing now?

-Katie

From: Richard Guy Briggs 
Sent: 03 April 2023 10:56
To: Rick Leir 
Cc: OCLUG 
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

Attention : courriel externe | external email

On 23/04/03, Rick Leir wrote:
> RGB
> Tell me about GOSLINGS please, I think there was a political side to that?

Getting Open Source Logic Into Government

It had a run of about 15 years.  Joseph Potvin was one of the primaries
behind it with strong support from MCR and Russell McOrmond.  It was
hosted at the Parliament Pub for years until the NCC had other ideas for
that space.  It was then hosted by Mike Gifford (Open Concept).
Xellerance(sp?) was also involved.
Officially, Linux wasn't supported in federal government IT, but there
was enough skunkwork activity that it took hold from the bottom up as
well as being worked on from the top down.

> And cc the list if you like!
> Cheers
> Rick
>
> On April 2, 2023 10:21:15 PM EDT, Richard Guy Briggs  
> wrote:
> >On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote:
> >> We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos
> >> http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D
> >
> >Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS...  That photo was from Open Concept
> >Consulting's office on Somerset W...
> >
> >> On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan  
> >> wrote:
> >> >Illumos would be a great one to include too.
> >> >
> >> >-Katie
> >> >
> >> >From: Katherine Mcmillan 
> >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18
> >> >To: Richard Guy Briggs 
> >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> >> >
> >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> >> >
> >> >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it stop 
> >> >existing?
> >> >
> >> >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now?  Don't 
> >> >get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with Scott, Ian and 
> >> >others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group.
> >> >
> >> >Sincerely,
> >> >Katie
> >> >
> >> >From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20
> >> >To: Katherine Mcmillan 
> >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> >> >
> >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> >> >
> >> >Attention : courriel externe | external email
> >> >
> >> >On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> >> >> Hi Tug,
> >> >>
> >> >> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about 
> >> >> forming an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds terrible, 
> >> >> and it can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I suppose it 
> >> >> could be "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG").  I ask for several reasons:
> >> >
> >> >OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG.  They effectively became OCBUG.
> >> >
> >> >>   1.  I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a *BSD 
> >> >> focussed international conference).
> >> >>   2.  BSDCan is coming up in Ottawa!
> >> >>   3.  I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting 
> >> >> (thanks all for including me if any of you are on this list!)  Theo de 
> >> >> Raadt was speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness.  It 
> >> >> seemed like a successful user group and approach.
> >> >>   4.  There are a number of people based in Ottawa and Quebec that are 
> >> >> *BSD users/developers/advocates, and more recently I've come across 
> >> >> some QNX and Darwin people. There seems to be potential for a 
> >> >> collaborative approach to leveraging Unix and Unix-like operating 
> >> >> systems.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sincerely,
> >> >> Katie
> >> >> 
> >> >> From: Tug Williams 
> >> >> Sent: 31 March 2023 11:31
> >> >> To: linux@linux-ottawa.org 
> >> >> Subject: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> >> >>
> >> >> Attention : courriel externe | external email
> >> >>
> >> >> When: 7pm Thursday April 6th 2023
> >> >> Where: https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2023-04-06
> >> >>
> >> >> Check the mailing list for individuals host

Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Katherine Mcmillan]

Okay! I think this is who Dru Lavigne had mentioned.

Sincerely,
Katie

From: Scott Murphy 
Sent: 03 April 2023 11:18
To: Richard Guy Briggs 
Cc: Katherine Mcmillan ; Dianne Skoll ; 
Linux-Ottawa 
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

Attention : courriel externe | external email
Diane Bruce was part of the old OCUUG, as well as the currently stalled OCBUG.

--
Scott Murphy
scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com

On Apr 3, 2023, at 11:16, Richard Guy Briggs 
mailto:r...@tricolour.ca>> wrote:

On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
Hi Dianne,

Fair enough, sorry, I'm not sure who is currently on the OCLUG Board - just 
pulling names out of a hat.

Diane Bruce?

Sincerely,
Katie

From: Dianne Skoll mailto:dia...@skoll.ca>>
Sent: 03 April 2023 10:55
Cc: Linux-Ottawa mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org>>
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

Attention : courriel externe | external email

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:37:42 +
Katherine Mcmillan mailto:kmcmi...@uottawa.ca>> wrote:

Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not
sure who all is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me,
we should have enough people for a full non-profit Board

If by "Diane" you mean me... no, I am not on the board and I haven't
participated much at OCLUG for many years apart from the mailing list.

Regards,

Dianne.

slainte mhath, RGB

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Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On 23/04/03, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> Hi Dianne,
> 
> Fair enough, sorry, I'm not sure who is currently on the OCLUG Board - just 
> pulling names out of a hat.

Diane Bruce?

> Sincerely,
> Katie
> 
> From: Dianne Skoll 
> Sent: 03 April 2023 10:55
> Cc: Linux-Ottawa 
> Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> 
> Attention : courriel externe | external email
> 
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:37:42 +
> Katherine Mcmillan  wrote:
> 
> > Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not
> > sure who all is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me,
> > we should have enough people for a full non-profit Board
> 
> If by "Diane" you mean me... no, I am not on the board and I haven't
> participated much at OCLUG for many years apart from the mailing list.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dianne.

slainte mhath, RGB

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Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Tug Williams]

1) What are your reasons for wanting to maintain a Corporation?


2)What would the purpose of a Mastodon account? Would it replace the 
mailing list, or as an additional service that duplicates information on 
the mailing list? Everyone has email, not everyone has mastodon. Email 
has stood the test of time - however flawed.



Would all mastodon posts need to be approved by the board? I doubt this 
group has "one voice" we would all agree on.




On 03/04/2023 10:37, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:

Hello all,

I realize that if I'm going to push for keeping the OCUUG alive, I'm 
going to have to work on a strategy for this.


Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not sure 
who all is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me, we 
should have enough people for a full non-profit Board where 
administrative tasks could be doled out in a reasonable way. It sounds 
like Alayne could be a good fit for this as well.


I'd be willing to reach out to another *BSD contact of mine in Ottawa 
who might be open to helping as well.  Please bear in mind that 
although it's a family of systems, as we all know, when you say that 
something is "Linux focussed" there are a whole bunch of great people 
that simply won't participate. There are people in the *BSD community, 
for example, that wear "I Love SystemD" tshirts as a sarcastic joke, 
and the other developers laugh.  However, in my experience, when you 
state that something is "Unix focussed" it doesn't make a whole bunch 
of Linux devs/users get up and leave, or wear sarcastic clothing 
(although sarcastic clothing may be worn for other reasons).


I'm willing to promote the group at the local Universities, at 
relevant conferences (ex. BSDCan), and in other appropriate circles.  
I think we should consider making a Mastodon account for the group on 
here: https://mstdn.ca/home.  I am willing to take that on.


I think that we should keep an eye on who fills this: 
https://bb.wd3.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/BlackBerry/job/Ottawa-Ontario/Open-Source-Analyst_20211653?source=indeed. 
Keeping in mind that Blackberry is heavily involved in QNX 
development, and are actively trying to liaise with open source 
communities.

Although, looking at the stats, I'm not sure:




For the record, I am not an applicant for this.

Is anyone on the Illumos mailing lists?

Sincerely,
Katie

*From:* Scott Murphy
*Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2023 17:06
*To:* Katherine Mcmillan
*Cc:* Linux-Ottawa
*Subject:* Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

OCUUG (later Ocbug) was mostly social with occasional technical 
content. I think it started as a technical group and eventually became 
more social, at least that is my memory of it. I was not part of the 
early years.


The old website is still up, sporting my mock license plate: 
http://ocuug.on.ca


I may still have access to modify things, but it was a very long time 
ago and might take me a while to locate the credentials.


Cheers,
Scott
--
Scott Murphy
scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com

On Mar 31, 2023, at 15:30, Katherine Mcmillan  
wrote:


Illumos would be a great one to include too.

-Katie

*From:* Katherine Mcmillan 
*Sent:* 31 March 2023 15:18
*To:* Richard Guy Briggs 
*Cc:* Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 


*Subject:* Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it 
stop existing?


Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now?  
Don't get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with 
Scott, Ian and others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group.


Sincerely,
Katie

*From:* Richard Guy Briggs 
*Sent:* 31 March 2023 14:20
*To:* Katherine Mcmillan 
*Cc:* Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 


*Subject:* Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
Attention : courriel externe | external email

On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> Hi Tug,
>
> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about 
forming an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds 
terrible, and it can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I 
suppose it could be "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG").  I ask for several 
reasons:


OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG. They effectively became OCBUG.

>   1.  I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a 
*BSD focussed international conference).

>   2.  BSDCan is coming up in Ottawa!
>   3.  I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting 
(thanks all for including me if any of you are on this list!)  Theo 
de Raadt was speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness.  It 
seemed like a successful user group and approach.
>   4.  There are a number of people based in Ottawa and Quebec that 
are *BSD users/

Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Katherine Mcmillan]

Hi Dianne,

Fair enough, sorry, I'm not sure who is currently on the OCLUG Board - just 
pulling names out of a hat.

Sincerely,
Katie

From: Dianne Skoll 
Sent: 03 April 2023 10:55
Cc: Linux-Ottawa 
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

Attention : courriel externe | external email

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:37:42 +
Katherine Mcmillan  wrote:

> Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not
> sure who all is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me,
> we should have enough people for a full non-profit Board

If by "Diane" you mean me... no, I am not on the board and I haven't
participated much at OCLUG for many years apart from the mailing list.

Regards,

Dianne.

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Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On 23/04/03, Rick Leir wrote:
> RGB
> Tell me about GOSLINGS please, I think there was a political side to that?

Getting Open Source Logic Into Government

It had a run of about 15 years.  Joseph Potvin was one of the primaries
behind it with strong support from MCR and Russell McOrmond.  It was
hosted at the Parliament Pub for years until the NCC had other ideas for
that space.  It was then hosted by Mike Gifford (Open Concept).
Xellerance(sp?) was also involved.
Officially, Linux wasn't supported in federal government IT, but there
was enough skunkwork activity that it took hold from the bottom up as
well as being worked on from the top down.

> And cc the list if you like!
> Cheers
> Rick
> 
> On April 2, 2023 10:21:15 PM EDT, Richard Guy Briggs  
> wrote:
> >On 2023-04-02 14:20, Rick Leir wrote:
> >> We never even told you about open source nerds an nachos
> >> http://clicks.meetup.com/ls/click?upn=XbaZ37larFA-2FuV5MohrYpdrra25MtI4CzodbRR1Rd1mhr1xShVkCrqYYJqodQha1Aed-2F1qUSLs6eE-2FnxdFa7Fg-3D-3DOci8_COUti7EiCTywajQe-2FUkV6Q7oHg8Owr4aj15Vgmgy0-2FUPjgcSDE0tIBzjPB-2BXWZdgj0mye-2FgrcNz8MTWCYihALtVMSZ8IC4j20GcVcTJQQyXc0WZinDFTeLQ951R3WISxMqtBnsNIONHr1SZbXMJmILE8bUtPkRxQdjLpoCgL7w7tmpstWIyHGPleFAUD5E6JRcc3QiHd7u375zQeN5X3KCEcFBiTfXSVHPy62OlI5YQLGui69h8h9PX10udeS4HKh3WSAuk9jYAKSpXNAvQAFLxtFQ5Rq8id9EfvSEgXtEdM0dx7yc5GqJNcDGhzQMbgYKRjGgiL1ztJQgELtUdpl4k23760j-2B4mGbRWv7ppmq4LwU5d6ejXBhisb3OKDMtVbWYsxkLWhNK0vrKUdEX60a-2BQTvvZ5reRgAKQLFckNMmSqITR4OAJ7xxXPi8-2FK3-2Fxsktis30k-2FrUmmFH2Pk0rMOSX-2BeQ-2BxcLMhfmu5egWpSp1TfTWRLdEngTrmn8URkablEndokOEoXmkc34wJ81HC0G8C8xL-2FMkaAwRMpmPeYvhQfkiyIGW5P4sLR9Apl-2F7F5-2BjoBFG9mD1aWDIk6YeknlwRuIhUbs2T1glSH-2FZDS7rIVKqj7LPiaDfHqYWTMOGyDso5EaVr8eKbKhDtoTscZ6w-2BZZfLHsO0PektkMEKOIZZY-2F-2FjO87CcnSb08Jq8o6707qurGKkEpY761XmsqupGQ7-2F7FsTLsLCXi7VHvs7DIU-3D
> >
> >Ah yes, this came out of GOSLINGS...  That photo was from Open Concept
> >Consulting's office on Somerset W...
> >
> >> On March 31, 2023 3:30:02 PM EDT, Katherine Mcmillan  
> >> wrote:
> >> >Illumos would be a great one to include too.
> >> >
> >> >-Katie
> >> >
> >> >From: Katherine Mcmillan 
> >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18
> >> >To: Richard Guy Briggs 
> >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> >> >
> >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> >> >
> >> >"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it stop 
> >> >existing?
> >> >
> >> >Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now?  Don't 
> >> >get me wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with Scott, Ian and 
> >> >others anytime, but it isn't really a formal group.
> >> >
> >> >Sincerely,
> >> >Katie
> >> >
> >> >From: Richard Guy Briggs 
> >> >Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20
> >> >To: Katherine Mcmillan 
> >> >Cc: Tug Williams ; Linux-Ottawa 
> >> >
> >> >Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> >> >
> >> >Attention : courriel externe | external email
> >> >
> >> >On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> >> >> Hi Tug,
> >> >>
> >> >> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about 
> >> >> forming an "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds terrible, 
> >> >> and it can't be "CUUG" because that's already taken - I suppose it 
> >> >> could be "NCRUUG" or just "CRUUG").  I ask for several reasons:
> >> >
> >> >OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG.  They effectively became OCBUG.
> >> >
> >> >>   1.  I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a *BSD 
> >> >> focussed international conference).
> >> >>   2.  BSDCan is coming up in Ottawa!
> >> >>   3.  I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting 
> >> >> (thanks all for including me if any of you are on this list!)  Theo de 
> >> >> Raadt was speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness.  It 
> >> >> seemed like a successful user group and approach.
> >> >>   4.  There are a number of people based in Ottawa and Quebec that are 
> >> >> *BSD users/developers/advocates, and more recently I've come across 
> >> >> some QNX and Darwin people. There seems to be potential for a 
> >> >> collaborative approach to leveraging Unix and Unix-like operating 
> >> >> systems.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sincerely,
> >> >> Katie
> >> >> 
> >> >> From: Tug Williams 
> >> >> Sent: 31 March 2023 11:31
> >> >> To: linux@linux-ottawa.org 
> >> >> Subject: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023
> >> >>
> >> >> Attention : courriel externe | external email
> >> >>
> >> >> When: 7pm Thursday April 6th 2023
> >> >> Where: https://meet.jit.si/oclug_2023-04-06
> >> >>
> >> >> Check the mailing list for individuals hosting in-person clusters.
> >> >>
> >> >> Request for volunteers to give talks, short or long, for future 
> >> >> meetings - If you have a Linux related presentation or demo you'd be 
> >> >> comfortable sharing with the group, or a discussion topic you wish to 
> >> >>

Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Dianne Skoll]

On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 14:37:42 +
Katherine Mcmillan  wrote:

> Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not
> sure who all is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me,
> we should have enough people for a full non-profit Board

If by "Diane" you mean me... no, I am not on the board and I haven't
participated much at OCLUG for many years apart from the mailing list.

Regards,

Dianne.

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Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Katherine Mcmillan]

Hello all,

I realize that if I'm going to push for keeping the OCUUG alive, I'm going to 
have to work on a strategy for this.

Between Tug, John, Diane, Jean-Francois, Richard, (sorry, I'm not sure who all 
is currently on the Board for the OLUG), Scott, and me, we should have enough 
people for a full non-profit Board where administrative tasks could be doled 
out in a reasonable way.  It sounds like Alayne could be a good fit for this as 
well.

I'd be willing to reach out to another *BSD contact of mine in Ottawa who might 
be open to helping as well.  Please bear in mind that although it's a family of 
systems, as we all know, when you say that something is "Linux focussed" there 
are a whole bunch of great people that simply won't participate.  There are 
people in the *BSD community, for example, that wear "I Love SystemD" tshirts 
as a sarcastic joke, and the other developers laugh.  However, in my 
experience, when you state that something is "Unix focussed" it doesn't make a 
whole bunch of Linux devs/users get up and leave, or wear sarcastic clothing 
(although sarcastic clothing may be worn for other reasons).

I'm willing to promote the group at the local Universities, at relevant 
conferences (ex. BSDCan), and in other appropriate circles.  I think we should 
consider making a Mastodon account for the group on here: 
https://mstdn.ca/home.  I am willing to take that on.

I think that we should keep an eye on who fills this: 
https://bb.wd3.myworkdayjobs.com/en-US/BlackBerry/job/Ottawa-Ontario/Open-Source-Analyst_20211653?source=indeed.
  Keeping in mind that Blackberry is heavily involved in QNX development, and 
are actively trying to liaise with open source communities.
Although, looking at the stats, I'm not sure:
[cid:96b801df-0bbc-4ea7-8816-39c58aaecc61]

For the record, I am not an applicant for this.

Is anyone on the Illumos mailing lists?

Sincerely,
Katie

From: Scott Murphy
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2023 17:06
To: Katherine Mcmillan
Cc: Linux-Ottawa
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

OCUUG (later Ocbug) was mostly social with occasional technical content. I 
think it started as a technical group and eventually became more social, at 
least that is my memory of it. I was not part of the early years.

The old website is still up, sporting my mock license plate: http://ocuug.on.ca

I may still have access to modify things, but it was a very long time ago and 
might take me a while to locate the credentials.

Cheers,
Scott
--
Scott Murphy
scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com

On Mar 31, 2023, at 15:30, Katherine Mcmillan 
mailto:kmcmi...@uottawa.ca>> wrote:

Illumos would be a great one to include too.

-Katie

From: Katherine Mcmillan mailto:kmcmi...@uottawa.ca>>
Sent: 31 March 2023 15:18
To: Richard Guy Briggs mailto:r...@tricolour.ca>>
Cc: Tug Williams mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>>; 
Linux-Ottawa mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org>>
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

"OCUNIX"! That's awesome Richard - it wasn't successful? When did it stop 
existing?

Doesn't the OCBUG have the same problem as the OCLUG right now?  Don't get me 
wrong, I would go out to a Royal Oak and chat with Scott, Ian and others 
anytime, but it isn't really a formal group.

Sincerely,
Katie

From: Richard Guy Briggs mailto:r...@tricolour.ca>>
Sent: 31 March 2023 14:20
To: Katherine Mcmillan mailto:kmcmi...@uottawa.ca>>
Cc: Tug Williams mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>>; 
Linux-Ottawa mailto:linux@linux-ottawa.org>>
Subject: Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

Attention : courriel externe | external email

On 2023-03-31 17:25, Katherine Mcmillan wrote:
> Hi Tug,
>
> Just out of curiousity, has there ever been any discussion about forming an 
> "Ottawa Unix User Group"? (although "OUUG" sounds terrible, and it can't be 
> "CUUG" because that's already taken - I suppose it could be "NCRUUG" or just 
> "CRUUG").  I ask for several reasons:

OCUNIX used to exist, so did OCUUG.  They effectively became OCBUG.

>   1.  I'm currently on the Board of Directors for EuroBSDCon (a *BSD focussed 
> international conference).
>   2.  BSDCan is coming up in Ottawa!
>   3.  I recently attended a Calgary Unix User Group (CUUG) meeting (thanks 
> all for including me if any of you are on this list!)  Theo de Raadt was 
> speaking, and that was really fantastic to witness.  It seemed like a 
> successful user group and approach.
>   4.  There are a number of people based in Ottawa and Quebec that are *BSD 
> users/developers/advocates, and more recently I've come across some QNX and 
> Darwin people. There seems to be potential for a collaborative approach to 
> leveraging Unix and Unix-like operating systems.
>
> Sincerely,
> Katie
> 
> From: Tug Williams mailto:tug.willi...@gmail.com>>
> S

Re: Dissolving OCLUG was Re: [linux] OCLUG meeting Thursday April 6th 2023

[Tug Williams]

Hi Alayne,

Yes, you are on the list of registered voters who supplied their legal 
name and email address before the deadline. We are taking on trust that 
all legal names supplied correspond to the users of the email accounts.


Note the following rule: "85. Error or Omission in Giving Notice. No 
error or omission in giving notice of any Annual or General meeting or 
any adjourned meeting of the members shall invalidate any resolution 
passed or any proceedings taken at that meeting"


My working assumption - without your legal talent, so please advise if I 
have misinterpreted this - is that this means we can proceed with the 
meeting and vote on Thursday 6th April 2023 as planned.


I am also interested in whether you interpret "shall" to be epistemic in 
the first person, and deontic in the second and third person, and how 
that affects your interpretation of the by-laws?


The topic of dissolution has been aired at the past few club meetings, 
but I would be willing to propose to the board that we push out the 
deadline for the vote, if this would help resolve your problems.


Thank you for your invaluable contributions.


On 02/04/2023 17:41, ala...@twobikes.ottawa.on.ca wrote:
If ANYTHING should be done correctly at OCLUG, surely it should be 
dissolving the corporation.


OCLUG BY_LAW No. 1 requires two weeks notice MINIMUM to members of a 
general

meeting which business such as dissolution can be voted on.:

 81. Notice Interval. Notice of the time and place for holding an 
Annual Meeting
or a General Meeting shall be given by sending it to each member and 
to the
auditor fourteen days or more before the date of the meeting. (s. 93 
(1) (a)),

(s. 93 (2)), (s. 129 (1) (i))

In addition, for a special resolution like this, you need to notify 
members - in that notice of meeting - that this resolution will be 
voted on at that meeting.


On Fri, 31 Mar 2023, Tug Williams wrote:

The motion is as follows:

We, the members of the "Ottawa Carleton Linux Users Group" Ontario 
Corporation
number 1476767 are in favour of dissolution of that corporation and 
transfer

of
residual money to the National Capital Freenet.

Procedure:

All members who have responded to the request to provide their legal 
name
before March 27, 2023, are eligible to vote. A ballot will be sent by 
email

from
secret...@linux-ottawa.org to each such person on or before April 6. 
Voting
will close at 11:59pm on April 6th EDT. You may vote before the April 
6th meeting, or wait

for the discussions at that meeting.


Well, I sent in my name on January 23, so I hope I'm counted.

But I think it's highly inappropriate *not* to have sent a reminder a 
week before March 27, so that anyone who missed the email in January 
might be reminded.


I think at a minimum you need to postpone this discussion until after 
April 14, and give people until the end of this week to send in their 
legal names.


Alayne

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