Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 17:58:20 + (UTC) Rob Echlin wrote: > Dianne, > Thanks for clarifying. > I did not expect ARM devices as a set to need code changes to boot. Custom ARM devices almost always modify U-boot. > Google found what looks like their GitHub. > https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable That's a third-party site that says: "No project here is affiliated or endorsed by reMarkable AS." If reMarkable AS is distributing GPL'd code, even if it made no changes to it, it is required to make the source of the GPL'd code available (or at least offer to make it available.) I see nothing on its web site that makes that clear. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 13:49:13 + (UTC) Rob Echlin wrote: > - A note in the About linking to original sources is enough, if there > are no changes. That's true. However, the number of custom ARM-based devices with no changes to the bootloader (which is probably U-boot) is likely zero. I suspect there may be kernel changes too. > - Drivers can be proprietary. > - Apps can be proprietary. Yup. The Linux kernel allows proprietary modules as an exception to the GPL, as long as they don't link to EXPORT_GPL_ONLY symbols. However, if you sell a device with GPL'd software on it, you are required to provide sources to any GPL'd software present on the device. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
On Sat, 5 Jun 2021, Rob Echlin wrote: Google found what looks like their GitHub. https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable A lot of light added here. Thanks for sharing! Rob Brett To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
Dianne, Thanks for clarifying. I did not expect ARM devices as a set to need code changes to boot. Google found what looks like their GitHub. https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable Rob Jun. 5, 2021 10:05:30 Dianne Skoll : > On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 13:49:13 + (UTC) > Rob Echlin wrote: > >> - A note in the About linking to original sources is enough, if there >> are no changes. > > That's true. However, the number of custom ARM-based devices with > no changes to the bootloader (which is probably U-boot) is likely zero. > I suspect there may be kernel changes too. > >> - Drivers can be proprietary. >> - Apps can be proprietary. > > Yup. The Linux kernel allows proprietary modules as an exception to the > GPL, as long as they don't link to EXPORT_GPL_ONLY symbols. > > However, if you sell a device with GPL'd software on it, you are > required to provide sources to any GPL'd software present on the > device. > > Regards, > > Dianne. > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
As I understand it, - A note in the About linking to original sources is enough, if there are no changes. - Drivers can be proprietary. - Apps can be proprietary. Does that cover all the cases that would have to be present, as opposed to corner cases that might not be in play? Not sure I got all of that right. And I would review the licenses and legal commentaries before developing devices. Rob Jun. 4, 2021 21:09:29 James : > Any changes to any GPL software have to be provided in source? > > Jun. 4, 2021 16:53:05 Michael P. Soulier : > >> On 2021-06-04 2:52 p.m., James wrote: >>> Doesn't their source have to be disclosed if it's added to linux? >> >> Common misconception. You'd have to answer a lot of questions first, like >> what you mean by "adding to". >> >> Mike > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
Any changes to any GPL software have to be provided in source? Jun. 4, 2021 16:53:05 Michael P. Soulier : > On 2021-06-04 2:52 p.m., James wrote: >> Doesn't their source have to be disclosed if it's added to linux? > > Common misconception. You'd have to answer a lot of questions first, like > what you mean by "adding to". > > Mike To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:55:34 + (UTC) Rob Echlin wrote: > IIRC, the Linux OS and libraries have never used a restrictive > licence that stops you from using proprietary software with them. It's not clear from their web site that they use any GPL'd software or that they make the source available for the software they do use. Are/were you able to obtain the source code for the GPL'd pieces on the reMarkable tablet? Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
They have a ssh server on the device, but it is *possible* that they wrote their own server. On 6/4/21 4:02 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:55:34 + (UTC) Rob Echlin wrote: IIRC, the Linux OS and libraries have never used a restrictive licence that stops you from using proprietary software with them. It's not clear from their web site that they use any GPL'd software or that they make the source available for the software they do use. Are/were you able to obtain the source code for the GPL'd pieces on the reMarkable tablet? Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
On 2021-06-04 2:52 p.m., James wrote: Doesn't their source have to be disclosed if it's added to linux? Common misconception. You'd have to answer a lot of questions first, like what you mean by "adding to". Mike To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
This thread piqued my interest, but it seems to me they are violating the GPL. https://support.remarkable.com/hc/en-us/articles/36282757-reMarkable-End-User-License-Agreement says: "You are not entitled to modify or distribute the Software." which seems to be in clear violation. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
Doesn't their source have to be disclosed if it's added to linux? Jun. 4, 2021 13:56:28 Rob Echlin : > Hi Dianne, > IIRC, the Linux OS and libraries have never used a restrictive licence that > stops you from using proprietary software with them. > > Now if reMarkable were trying to claim the Linux OS is theirs, that's just a > communication error between engineer and lawyer. > > So I think I am misunderstanding something here. > > Rob > > Jun. 4, 2021 10:59:21 Dianne Skoll : > >> This thread piqued my interest, but it seems to me they are >> violating the GPL. >> https://support.remarkable.com/hc/en-us/articles/36282757-reMarkable-End-User-License-Agreement >> says: "You are not entitled to modify or distribute the Software." >> which seems to be in clear violation. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dianne. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
There was mention of handwriting recognition if I recall correctly. That is a different problem compared with OCR of static text which tesseract does so well. But excuse me for quibbling. Yes, let's run postfix on it. On June 4, 2021 11:23:47 a.m. EDT, Brett Delmage wrote: >On Fri, 4 Jun 2021, Rick Leir wrote: > >> https://github.com/danielebruneo/remarkable2-hacks >> >> It looks as if you can ssh into it. Now, what can we do in here ... >> Cheers -- Rick > >Does it do OCR? Run Tesseract on it!? > >Run an email server on it? :-) > >Brett -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
Hi Dianne, IIRC, the Linux OS and libraries have never used a restrictive licence that stops you from using proprietary software with them. Now if reMarkable were trying to claim the Linux OS is theirs, that's just a communication error between engineer and lawyer. So I think I am misunderstanding something here. Rob Jun. 4, 2021 10:59:21 Dianne Skoll : > This thread piqued my interest, but it seems to me they are > violating the GPL. > https://support.remarkable.com/hc/en-us/articles/36282757-reMarkable-End-User-License-Agreement > says: "You are not entitled to modify or distribute the Software." > which seems to be in clear violation. > > Regards, > > Dianne. > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
https://github.com/danielebruneo/remarkable2-hacks It looks as if you can ssh into it. Now, what can we do in here ... Cheers -- Rick -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
Actually, there are many players in this field, and I actually bought another, previously. This is the NewYES Notebook. You write with a special pen, that you can use either with an ink like on their pages, or you can use the plastic end, which works on a re-usable drawing surface. My problems are that the paper is a special one that you need to order and is getting expensive. And I think it cannot be recycled. And writing on the re-usable surface makes rather large lines and the drawing space is rather small, IMHO. The thing that I found impressive, however, is that when you use a different paper page, or turn the page to write on the other side, it s actually detected, and this has nothing to do with the actual binder. Everything is within the special pen. You can even take the piece of paper somewhere out of the binder and keep writing on it. It works with Android fine, but sometime the sync between the written pages and the actual app in Android takes time. So this is not something I could see used for live presentations. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
Unfortunately, the price is a bit unfriendly. I've had a couple of Graphire tablets for about 20 years that are in the $100 range. Not the same, of course, but given the evolution of time and prices of other things, $680 seems a lot for an input device. Let's hope there'll be some other players. JN On 2021-06-04 7:11 a.m., Michael Soulier wrote: > Personally as a fan of pen and ink, I keep waiting for a digital writing > experience that is even remotely as good as the right paper, ink, and a > fountain pen. It's only a matter of time, I suspect... > > Mike > > On 2021-06-03 8:50 p.m., jean-Francois Messier wrote: >> Well, a full client is supposedly in preparation by the company, but >> they did not tell me much more yet. One thing that I have been asking >> them was about an instant update of the written image on a reMarkable >> tablet to, say, an Android device. If that is possible, the reMarkable 2 >> can then become a dynamic electronic whiteboard that can be used for >> explanations and training, be it over Jitsi, MS-Team, Zoom or anything else. >> >> I'm also trying to find out about actual users of such devices and how >> their device is working against Linux. >> >> On 2021-06-03 8:36 p.m., James wrote: >>> Neat. :-) >>> >>> Jun. 3, 2021 20:34:55 r...@echlin.ca: >>> It says: "Windows 7 and newer". Any Linux that is newer than Windows 7 counts as a reMarkable upgrade! Rob On 2021-06-03 20:00, James wrote: >> Note and file syncing between reMarkable tablet and reMarkable apps for >> MacOS, Windows 7 and newer, iOS, and Android > Linux too? > > Jun. 3, 2021 19:49:20 jean-Francois Messier : > I am currently shopping for one of those tablets where you write on the >> tablet and the writing is recorded on the device, sync'ed with your >> system or storage. The reMarkable 2 seemed to have been one of the >> favorite so far, and I also found out that it is actually running Linux, >> not simply a flavor of Android. >> Did anyone else have experience with such devices, good or bad, and what >> brand name do you have ? The reMarkable 2 is on the pricey side, for >> what I can see, but it looks like it is worth it. >> Anyway, lemme know what you use (if any).. >> Thanks :-) >> Jean-Francois Messier >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org >> > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
Personally as a fan of pen and ink, I keep waiting for a digital writing experience that is even remotely as good as the right paper, ink, and a fountain pen. It's only a matter of time, I suspect... Mike On 2021-06-03 8:50 p.m., jean-Francois Messier wrote: > Well, a full client is supposedly in preparation by the company, but > they did not tell me much more yet. One thing that I have been asking > them was about an instant update of the written image on a reMarkable > tablet to, say, an Android device. If that is possible, the reMarkable 2 > can then become a dynamic electronic whiteboard that can be used for > explanations and training, be it over Jitsi, MS-Team, Zoom or anything else. > > I'm also trying to find out about actual users of such devices and how > their device is working against Linux. > > On 2021-06-03 8:36 p.m., James wrote: >> Neat. :-) >> >> Jun. 3, 2021 20:34:55 r...@echlin.ca: >> >>> It says: "Windows 7 and newer". >>> Any Linux that is newer than Windows 7 counts as a reMarkable upgrade! >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> On 2021-06-03 20:00, James wrote: > Note and file syncing between reMarkable tablet and reMarkable apps for > MacOS, Windows 7 and newer, iOS, and Android Linux too? Jun. 3, 2021 19:49:20 jean-Francois Messier : I am currently shopping for one of those tablets where you write on the > tablet and the writing is recorded on the device, sync'ed with your > system or storage. The reMarkable 2 seemed to have been one of the > favorite so far, and I also found out that it is actually running Linux, > not simply a flavor of Android. > Did anyone else have experience with such devices, good or bad, and what > brand name do you have ? The reMarkable 2 is on the pricey side, for > what I can see, but it looks like it is worth it. > Anyway, lemme know what you use (if any).. > Thanks :-) > Jean-Francois Messier > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
It says: "Windows 7 and newer". Any Linux that is newer than Windows 7 counts as a reMarkable upgrade! Rob On 2021-06-03 20:00, James wrote: Note and file syncing between reMarkable tablet and reMarkable apps for MacOS, Windows 7 and newer, iOS, and Android Linux too? Jun. 3, 2021 19:49:20 jean-Francois Messier : I am currently shopping for one of those tablets where you write on the tablet and the writing is recorded on the device, sync'ed with your system or storage. The reMarkable 2 seemed to have been one of the favorite so far, and I also found out that it is actually running Linux, not simply a flavor of Android. Did anyone else have experience with such devices, good or bad, and what brand name do you have ? The reMarkable 2 is on the pricey side, for what I can see, but it looks like it is worth it. Anyway, lemme know what you use (if any).. Thanks :-) Jean-Francois Messier To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
Well, a full client is supposedly in preparation by the company, but they did not tell me much more yet. One thing that I have been asking them was about an instant update of the written image on a reMarkable tablet to, say, an Android device. If that is possible, the reMarkable 2 can then become a dynamic electronic whiteboard that can be used for explanations and training, be it over Jitsi, MS-Team, Zoom or anything else. I'm also trying to find out about actual users of such devices and how their device is working against Linux. On 2021-06-03 8:36 p.m., James wrote: > Neat. :-) > > Jun. 3, 2021 20:34:55 r...@echlin.ca: > >> It says: "Windows 7 and newer". >> Any Linux that is newer than Windows 7 counts as a reMarkable upgrade! >> >> Rob >> >> >> On 2021-06-03 20:00, James wrote: Note and file syncing between reMarkable tablet and reMarkable apps for MacOS, Windows 7 and newer, iOS, and Android >>> Linux too? >>> >>> Jun. 3, 2021 19:49:20 jean-Francois Messier : >>> I am currently shopping for one of those tablets where you write on the tablet and the writing is recorded on the device, sync'ed with your system or storage. The reMarkable 2 seemed to have been one of the favorite so far, and I also found out that it is actually running Linux, not simply a flavor of Android. Did anyone else have experience with such devices, good or bad, and what brand name do you have ? The reMarkable 2 is on the pricey side, for what I can see, but it looks like it is worth it. Anyway, lemme know what you use (if any).. Thanks :-) Jean-Francois Messier To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org >>> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >>> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >>> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
Neat. :-) Jun. 3, 2021 20:34:55 r...@echlin.ca: > It says: "Windows 7 and newer". > Any Linux that is newer than Windows 7 counts as a reMarkable upgrade! > > Rob > > > On 2021-06-03 20:00, James wrote: >>> Note and file syncing between reMarkable tablet and reMarkable apps for >>> MacOS, Windows 7 and newer, iOS, and Android >> Linux too? >> >> Jun. 3, 2021 19:49:20 jean-Francois Messier : >> I am currently shopping for one of those tablets where you write on the >>> tablet and the writing is recorded on the device, sync'ed with your >>> system or storage. The reMarkable 2 seemed to have been one of the >>> favorite so far, and I also found out that it is actually running Linux, >>> not simply a flavor of Android. >>> Did anyone else have experience with such devices, good or bad, and what >>> brand name do you have ? The reMarkable 2 is on the pricey side, for >>> what I can see, but it looks like it is worth it. >>> Anyway, lemme know what you use (if any).. >>> Thanks :-) >>> Jean-Francois Messier >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >>> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >>> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org >> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
>Note and file syncing between reMarkable tablet and reMarkable apps for MacOS, >Windows 7 and newer, iOS, and Android Linux too? Jun. 3, 2021 19:49:20 jean-Francois Messier : > I am currently shopping for one of those tablets where you write on the > tablet and the writing is recorded on the device, sync'ed with your > system or storage. The reMarkable 2 seemed to have been one of the > favorite so far, and I also found out that it is actually running Linux, > not simply a flavor of Android. > > Did anyone else have experience with such devices, good or bad, and what > brand name do you have ? The reMarkable 2 is on the pricey side, for > what I can see, but it looks like it is worth it. > > Anyway, lemme know what you use (if any).. > > Thanks :-) > > Jean-Francois Messier > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
[linux] reMarkable 2 paper tablet
I am currently shopping for one of those tablets where you write on the tablet and the writing is recorded on the device, sync'ed with your system or storage. The reMarkable 2 seemed to have been one of the favorite so far, and I also found out that it is actually running Linux, not simply a flavor of Android. Did anyone else have experience with such devices, good or bad, and what brand name do you have ? The reMarkable 2 is on the pricey side, for what I can see, but it looks like it is worth it. Anyway, lemme know what you use (if any).. Thanks :-) Jean-Francois Messier To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
