Re: [OCLUG-Tech] is "xargs" really still useful just for limiting command line size?
On 2018-03-20 11:34, Peter Sj??berg wrote: > On 2018-03-16 11:39 AM, Brett Delmage wrote: > > On Fri, 16 Mar 2018, J C Nash wrote: > > > >> This may introduce a tangent, but I find the limit is often not the > >> coded one but issues related to > >> - getting 250 characters into the line and not remembering whether the > >> ?? parameter should be X or x and what the difference is. > > > > Indeed. > > > > For those who may not be familiar, "#" is a useful key combo in > > bash for this situation. I was delighted to discover it. > > > > It immediately puts a "#" comment character at the start of your line > > then submits it as if you had pressed enter. The incomplete command is > > then in your command line buffer as a comment. You can look up the > > missing info you need, then retrieve your command line using the Up > > arrow key or ^R, then carry on completing and submitting it after > > deleting the "#". > > > > Kind of like a ^Z suspend for the command line. > > Didn't know about # but using # all the time Yup, ^A# has been working for years for me. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] does current gnu grep support EREs out of the box?
On 2018-03-06 06:24, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>Full Documentation
>A complete manual ???http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/manual/??? is
>available. If the info and grep programs are properly installed
>at your site, the command
>
> info grep
>
>should give you access to the complete manual.
>
>NOTES
>This man page is maintained only fitfully; the full documentation
>is often more up-to-date.
>
> so now i'm aware that the man page for grep could be unreliable and
> the info page is the go-to source.
Welcome to FSF documentation. info(1) sucks.
> rday
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] does current gnu grep support EREs out of the box?
On 2018-03-06 05:35, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > course i taught last week provided courseware that distinguished > between grep's basic RE support and "extended" RE support, which > surprised me as, on my fedora 27 system, the man page for grep has the > following snippets: > > "In addition, the variant programs egrep and fgrep are the same as > grep -E and grep -F, respectively. These variants are deprecated, but > are provided for backward compatibility." > > also, further down: > > "grep understands three different versions of regular expression > syntax: ???basic??? (BRE), ???extended??? (ERE) and ???perl??? (PCRE). In GNU > grep there is no difference in available functionality between basic > and extended syntaxes." > > that *seems* pretty clear, but i just want to confirm that, in gnu > grep these days, the extended REs are now available automatically and > don't require options like they used to. thoughts? I don't remember which system this was on, but was a bit surprised at one point when I was using extended regex syntax with grep without the -E flag and it just worked. In the past I had to invoke the flag to get that functionality. I don't remember the details of which distro it was or what extended syntax feature I was using. > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] does anyone still use "dump" for backups these days?
On 2018-02-24 11:27, Tim Forbes wrote: > My desktop uses anacron to run a script that rsync's files from my server. > For redundancy and to permit media rotation, the files go to a ZFS mirror > array physically housed in two of these... > > https://tinyurl.com/ydakecb7 > > ... Every now and then, I rotate-in recycled pairs of HDDs. > > A snapshot of the array is created prior to each backup, and snapshots that > are too old are erased at that point too. Not a perfect solution, but I no > longer live in fear that all my photos or other precious data might > evaporate. So you've always got a copy off-site in case your house burns down or floats away? > I've also got a VPS that is backed-up to my server with dirvish. > > Tim > > On 2018-02-22 10:33 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > i'm prepping to teach 5 days of compTIA linux+ next week, after > >which the students will have the option to write exams based on that > >content for their LPI certification, so i'm working my way through the > >course manual and just hit the section on backups, which opens with > >explaining how to use "dump". argh. > > > > i understand that dump is ubiquitous, and that it integrates with > >entries in /etc/fstab but, beyond that, does anyone seriously use dump > >for official backups these days? > > > > i suspect i'll have to cover that utility to some extent, just > >because it could conceivably be on the exam, so even if i consider > >some of the course content utterly archaic, i still have to cover it. > > > > but what are folks out there using for their backups these days? > >tar? rsync? amanda? the possibilities are endless, of course, but i'll > >still cover dump, even as i strongly discourage people from using it. > > > >rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] does anyone still use "dump" for backups these days?
On 2018-02-22 10:46, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 2018, Dianne Skoll wrote: > > > On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:33:24 -0500 (EST) > > "Robert P. J. Day" <rpj...@crashcourse.ca> wrote: > > > > > but what are folks out there using for their backups these days? > > > tar? rsync? amanda? > > > > I use rsync. > > i'll keep track of the responses i get just to pass them on to the > class. regarding rsync, now that i went looking for backup solutions, > i just ran across dirvish: > > http://dirvish.org/ > > which is apparently a user-friendly wrapper around rsync: > > http://dirvish.org/docs.html rsync isn't user friendly? ;-) I love rsync for getting things across the pond and even comparing things. I really wish there was an "rdiff" that did what I expected, using the rsync protocol to just list the differences between two network entities. > anyway, i'll keep an ongoing list of suggestions. > > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] looking for recommendations for portable MP3/FLAC music player
On 2018-02-05 19:04, ProfJCNash wrote: > I got one of these a year ago in US for a bit over $30 US and it works > extremely well. Tiny, however, and easy to lose it in the pocket of a > backpack. My kids each have one of these Sandisk devices. They're nice and tiny, work well. https://www.amazon.com/SANDISK-SDMX24-008G-A46B-1-44-Sport-Player/dp/B00K5WV71Y/ref=sr_1_25 > JN > > On 2018-02-05 06:51 PM, Roland Renaud wrote: > > I'll concur on the Sandisk. > > > > In 2016 I got SanDisk Clip Sport 8GB MP3 Player from shopRBC for $50. > > I just checked and it's still available for that price. > > > > Not as good as a genuine iPod (too much hassle running itunes in > > Windows VM) but has been working fine. > > > > It has 8GB but also a slot allowing you to add a micro SD card. > > > > roland > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 6:19 PM, Alex Pilon <a...@alexpilon.ca> wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Feb 05, 2018 at 04:41:46PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >>> in any event, from FLAC, i can always encode to MP3 if necessary, so > >>> i'm looking for an inexpensive, entry-level music player, something > >>> along these lines: > >>> > >>> https://www.amazon.com/Black-Resolution-Music-Player- > >> Generation/dp/B0743CYBH2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8=1517865926& > >> sr=8-7=Fiio+X7+Mark+II > >> > >> That's entry-level!? That looks much nicer than what I have??? > >> > >>> but not even that sophisticated. is there something in the $100 range > >>> that would be a good starter music player that i can buy off the shelf > >>> in ottawa? > >> > >> Sandisk Clip. Got one for ~50$ at Canada Computers. Comes in a variety > >> of colours and a plasticky look. Even sports a radio. Just a standard > >> FAT mount and micro-USB cable. > >> > >> I think this is it. > >> > >> https://www.sandisk.com/home/mp3-players/clip-sport# > >> specifications-section > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Alex Pilon > >> ___ > >> Linux mailing list > >> Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca > >> http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux > >> > > ___ > > Linux mailing list > > Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca > > http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > ___ > Linux mailing list > Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca > http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] fastest way to do full home dir backup to fresh HD?
On 2017-12-27 14:53, Alex Pilon wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 08:19:04AM -0500, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> > I'd be using rsync -vaP so that subsequent updates are faster, but tar zcvf
>
> Also add -H, -A, and -X. These aren't just edge cases!
Sure... but my home directory hasn't ever had any of these, so it wasn't an
issue. I have used -x though...
> > might be faster due to compression...
>
> How would compression help when it's on the same host? You can't
> decompress after the bus. Do you mean to store the data compressed?
Yeah, stored compressed...
> Sounds more like you just want to use CPIO's passthrough mode. No need
> to serialize and deserialize data.
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] fastest way to do full home dir backup to fresh HD?
On 2017-12-27 06:58, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > time to kill, so i found an unused 1TB USB hard drive in the drawer > and thought, what the heck, just do an end-of-year backup of all of > /home/rpjday on my fedora box, and since i don't care how long it > takes, i just did a basic "cp -a" to preserve owner/group/timestamps, > and it's chugging away, but i'm curious ... what would be the > *fastest* way to do that? > > should i have run it through tar with compression, or rsync with > compression, or scp, or ... you get the idea. i suspect that since i > didn't take advantage of compression, i'm currently being limited by > the throughput of the USB port and i'm currently doing it the slowest > way possible. I'd be using rsync -vaP so that subsequent updates are faster, but tar zcvf might be faster due to compression... but that depends on USB 2 vs 3, speed of CPUs... I prefer gzip over bzip, but I've not benchmarked them for optimization of compression ratio vs cpu bandwidth. > thoughts? > > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] WPA2 vulnerability
On 2017-10-18 16:30, John Nash wrote:
> Via ACM, I came across
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/severe-flaw-in-wpa2-protocol-leaves-wi-fi-traffic-open-to-eavesdropping/
>
> I'm wondering if anyone would give a lightning talk about this for the
> November meeting.
>
> Also if anyone has done any patching because of this yet. I'm looking around
> for patches and updates. Such
> information certainly would be a good thing to appear on the oclug
> website/wiki and if we have solid and
> useful information, to publicize the group.
I've never depended on wireless security in favour of securing things at upper
layers. The only reason I started putting a password on my wireless networks
was to avoid problems with the law from someone sitting in a car in front of my
house downloading kiddie-porn through my link.
> Best, JN
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] can i set up a d-link DCS-936L network camera to view via linux?
On 2017-09-20 14:55, Alex Pilon wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 08:19:15AM -0400, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
> > These wired network cameras default to DHCP and failing that fall back
> > to either 192.168.122.1 (or something like that IIRC...) or use an
> > IPv4 link local address (169.?) which pretends to be random
> > with OUI or something like that to bootstrap.
>
> @rgb: 169.254.0.0/16; see RFC 3927 or the Bonjour protocol
Yup, that's the one. 16 bits is a tad small to condense a 48-bit MAC, but it
is better than nothing...
> @rpjday: Run avahi-browse -alt if on the same layer 2 to detect the
> device's advertised services.
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] can i set up a d-link DCS-936L network camera to view via linux?
On 2017-09-20 09:05, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > On 2017-09-20 07:17, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > > > On 2017-09-20 04:09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > > > in short, at least for this camera, i absolutely require an > > > > > > android or iphone with the d-link app for the initial > > > > > > configuration, which is kind of a pain, unless i have this > > > > > > completely wrong. > > > > > > > > > > This would surprise me and I'd take it back if that were the case, > > > > > but it is possible that there is no other way to configure it. > > > > > > > > given that you mentioned the lumenera cameras, how would those be > > > > any different? i looked at one here: > > > > > > > > http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lumenera-Le165CP-1-4-MP-Progressive-Scan-HAD-CCD-Network-Surveillance-Camera-/201696592058?hash=item2ef60dc0ba:g:tc8AAOSw8w1X4bCe > > > > > > > > and noticed right away the photo of the back, which shows an > > > > ethernet port, so i'm assuming that would allow me to > > > > (temporarily) connect to my in-house router and configure the > > > > camera, at which point i would want to move it elsewhere and > > > > access it via wi-fi -- is that how a camera like that would > > > > work? > > > > These wired network cameras default to DHCP and failing that fall > > back to either 192.168.122.1 (or something like that IIRC...) or use > > an IPv4 link local address (169.?) which pretends to be > > random with OUI or something like that to bootstrap. It is harder > > to expose a new device to a trusted open wifi network than to a > > trusted wired network for initial bootstrapping. > > not being an expert on security cameras, i am now simply assuming > the really inexpensive, small form factor units simply don't have the > real estate to support an ethernet port, so have to resort to > something else, as we are now discovering. Well, it is a vector for moisture too, so wireless is attractive that way too... Consumer demand has been going more and more wireless anyways. > > So, there's a bit of a chicken and egg problem here. Most wifi networks > > require authentication now (or should!). If your camera doesn't have a > > wired > > ethernet port that you can connect to a trusted network to do the initial > > configuration, how do you do that bootstrapping? It looks like they've > > turned > > it around so that you authenticate to it first so it is acting as a server > > for > > you to connect to it, then configure it to switch from AP mode to managed > > mode > > whereupon it can now connect to your secured wifi network with credentials > > you > > provide. > > that's the only scenario that makes sense at this point. upon > further examination, i did notice a tiny "WPS" button on the back of > the camera, which supports something called "zero configuration", > which involves: Yes, I've heard of WPS which I understand is full of security holes. Bluetooth has similar issues. Convenience trumps security... > Step 1: Attach the power supply to the power input on the DCS-936L and > connect it to a wall outlet or power strip. Power is confirmed when > the Status LED is lit. > > Step 2: Press and hold the WPS button on the camera for five seconds. > The Status LED will start to blink green. Then, press the WPS button > on your router within two minutes. Your router will automatically > assign your network settings to your camera. > > Step 3: From any computer, open a web browser, go to > http://www.mydlink.com and log into your account. Once mydlink detects > your camera, a New Device Found! notice will appear in the bottom > right corner. Click on the camera from the New Devices list and then > click Yes to add your camera. Your setup is complete. > > however, the user manual is adamant that this only works with a > registered d-link cloud router and an active "mydlink" account, so it > doesn't really solve the problem. Ugh. :-P > one suspects i should restrict my search to cameras that have an > ethernet port for initial configuration. The days of the Lumenera ethernet cameras are gone. It is now commodity hardware. > rday > > -- > > > Robert P. J. Day
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] can i set up a d-link DCS-936L network camera to view via linux?
On 2017-09-20 07:17, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > On 2017-09-20 04:09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > in short, at least for this camera, i absolutely require an > > > > android or iphone with the d-link app for the initial > > > > configuration, which is kind of a pain, unless i have this > > > > completely wrong. > > > > > > This would surprise me and I'd take it back if that were the case, > > > but it is possible that there is no other way to configure it. > > > > given that you mentioned the lumenera cameras, how would those be > > any different? i looked at one here: > > > > http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lumenera-Le165CP-1-4-MP-Progressive-Scan-HAD-CCD-Network-Surveillance-Camera-/201696592058?hash=item2ef60dc0ba:g:tc8AAOSw8w1X4bCe > > > > and noticed right away the photo of the back, which shows an ethernet > > port, so i'm assuming that would allow me to (temporarily) connect to > > my in-house router and configure the camera, at which point i would > > want to move it elsewhere and access it via wi-fi -- is that how a > > router like that would work? > ^^ "camera" These wired network cameras default to DHCP and failing that fall back to either 192.168.122.1 (or something like that IIRC...) or use an IPv4 link local address (169.?) which pretends to be random with OUI or something like that to bootstrap. It is harder to expose a new device to a trusted open wifi network than to a trusted wired network for initial bootstrapping. So, there's a bit of a chicken and egg problem here. Most wifi networks require authentication now (or should!). If your camera doesn't have a wired ethernet port that you can connect to a trusted network to do the initial configuration, how do you do that bootstrapping? It looks like they've turned it around so that you authenticate to it first so it is acting as a server for you to connect to it, then configure it to switch from AP mode to managed mode whereupon it can now connect to your secured wifi network with credentials you provide. Does that make sense and answer your question, or have I completely misunderstood the problem? > sorry. No need to be sorry! I can be a lot more dense than this sometimes until I finally understand a simple concept and this one isn't so simple. /me goes back to trying to come up with an audit kernel containerID proposal that won't get torpedoed on LKML... > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] can i set up a d-link DCS-936L network camera to view via linux?
On 2017-09-20 04:09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2017, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > > > On 2017-09-19 13:19, rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: > > > > > > friend just handed me a d-link DCS-936L network camera, and it > > > would seem that the normal use of these is via a tablet or > > > smartphone, but i would like to be able to use my fedora linux > > > laptop and pop up a browser window (i'm assuming) and view what > > > the camera is seeing in real time, and it's not clear how i would > > > do that (yet). > > > > > > anyone done this? i want to use the camera *only* from within > > > the secure wi-fi network in the home -- no access from outside. > > > what's the recipe here? > > > > I'm quite familiar with the Ottawa-based Lumenera cameras, having > > written Linux firmware kernel imager drivers for them: > > https://www.lumenera.com/products/surveillance/le375.html > > > > They are just a web page on the device configured by default with > > DHCP. Image streaming is MJPEG wrapped in HTML. Image streaming > > can be configured for RTSP/RTP. They don't do IPv6. > > > > I recently bought a Hikvision camera that needed another driver > > supplied for Windows. I was able to configure it via HTTP, except > > for live exposure view and setting up motion alarms and privacy > > masks which needed the plugin. I was able to use RTSP to stream the > > live output of that camera using standard open source tools (such as > > VLC? or maybe mplayer?) but wasn't able to get RTSP working within a > > web browser for configuration. This camera does IPv6. > > just to be clear about all of this, i know *squat* about setting up > one of these things, having never done it before, so let me describe > what i think is the end result, and people can point out where i am > going horribly wrong. > > given that this camera supports wi-fi, i had imagined that the end > result would be that it would eventually be configured as just another > device on my in-house network, having been assigned an IP address > either dynamically or statically, at which point i imagined i could > fire up either a browser, or some webcam app like "cheese", point at > that IP address, and view the live video stream from my linux laptop > (or from a windows or mac machine with the proper software as well). > make sense so far? > > now, this particular camera has no wired ethernet port (not > surprising), so it can't be connected to the in-house router for > initial configuration. it does come with an initial SSID and password, > so i assume that, to configure, one normally downloads d-link's > configuration app (https://www.mydlink.com/apps) and connects to the > camera's wi-fi network for that initial configuration, but there is no > obvious linux client to do that. therefore, i'm assuming that one > *needs* some mobile device (iPhone, android) for that initial > configuration. am i understanding this properly? Can you just connect to it using wifi to that SSID and password as if it were an AP and if you really need your laptop connected to the internet at the same time, use wired ethernet. Then use a browser to configure it? Notice that hand-wave there in the last step? Maybe it acts like those annoying hotspots with security layer violations and then once you try *any* DNS lookup with your browser, your web session gets redirected to the cam network configuration page? > in short, at least for this camera, i absolutely require an android > or iphone with the d-link app for the initial configuration, which is > kind of a pain, unless i have this completely wrong. This would surprise me and I'd take it back if that were the case, but it is possible that there is no other way to configure it. > am i at least understanding all this correctly? o_O > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] can i set up a d-link DCS-936L network camera to view via linux?
On 2017-09-19 13:37, Alex Pilon wrote: > On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 01:19:09PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > friend just handed me a d-link DCS-936L network camera, and it would > > seem that the normal use of these is via a tablet or smartphone, but i > > would like to be able to use my fedora linux laptop and pop up a browser > > window (i'm assuming) and view what the camera is seeing in real time, > > and it's not clear how i would do that (yet). > > What's the protocol that it uses to send video? Does it require any form of > authentication? I'd nmap it, sniff it, or find a manual. I know the ffmpeg > command line utility can trivially set up a receiver for quite a few > protocols, > be it RTP (feed it SDP on stdin), or other. See ffmpeg-protocols(1). > > [1]: To anybody else, please do not ever suggest mplayer or VLC any more > please > unless you know what you're doing. We don't need cruddy old code or UI/UX > complexity. I replied to Rob's message before I saw your reply. Given that those two were the only two that actually worked of all the options I tried, IIRC, you will have to be a bit more explicit and specific in your criticism if you want to be taken seriously rather than off-handedly trashing them as you have done for many other technologies in the past without elaborating, assuming that everybody else knows what you are talking about. Please educate us rather than effectively making us all feel stupid because we don't follow your unstated line of reasoning. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] can i set up a d-link DCS-936L network camera to view via linux?
On 2017-09-19 13:19, rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote:
>
> friend just handed me a d-link DCS-936L network camera, and it would
> seem that the normal use of these is via a tablet or smartphone, but i
> would like to be able to use my fedora linux laptop and pop up a browser
> window (i'm assuming) and view what the camera is seeing in real time,
> and it's not clear how i would do that (yet).
>
> anyone done this? i want to use the camera *only* from within the secure
> wi-fi network in the home -- no access from outside. what's the recipe here?
I'm quite familiar with the Ottawa-based Lumenera cameras, having written Linux
firmware kernel imager drivers for them:
https://www.lumenera.com/products/surveillance/le375.html
They are just a web page on the device configured by default with DHCP. Image
streaming is MJPEG wrapped in HTML. Image streaming can be configured for
RTSP/RTP. They don't do IPv6.
I recently bought a Hikvision camera that needed another driver supplied for
Windows. I was able to configure it via HTTP, except for live exposure view
and setting up motion alarms and privacy masks which needed the plugin. I was
able to use RTSP to stream the live output of that camera using standard open
source tools (such as VLC? or maybe mplayer?) but wasn't able to get RTSP
working within a web browser for configuration. This camera does IPv6.
> rday
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] What is the easiest, most reliable email +calendar serv(er|ice) for a small biz?
On 2017-05-23 10:50, Alan McKay wrote:
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Scott Murphy
> <scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com> wrote:
> > I???ve heard good things about Zimbra
>
> One great thing about it is that you can use the free version as long
> as you want, but if you eventually get to the point where you want
> support for it, they have a paid support model as well.
I'm not a fan of their webmail interface for actually doing email, but I'm
using its IMAPS interface with it at $work and it is mostly ok. I do use the
web gui to set up mailbox filtering and that is about all.
Unfortunately $work is migrating from it to gmail. :-(
> And with 1 IT guy in the company that might be a good idea.
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Slides from last night's talk
On 2017-05-05 09:56, Dianne Skoll wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks to everyone who came to my talk on spam filtering at last night's > OCLUG meeting. > > The slides are up at > https://dianne.skoll.ca/2017-05-04-scaling-a-spam-filter.pdf Thanks for posting these, I wanted to see this, but I was too much of a mess from 9.5h of jet lag to be functional. > OCLUG admins, feel free to put them on your wiki or wherever appropriate. > > I did mention Quantum Spam Filtering: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koRRqOJcaHs > > Regards, > > Dianne. > ___ > Linux mailing list > Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca > http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Viewing jpg images with comments
On 2017-04-20 17:53, J C Nash wrote: > I've been trying a number of viewers (more than I care to name!). > > It seems that mapivi and the libjpeg-progs (rdjpgcom and wrjpgcom) > put the "comment" somewhere different from geeqie and pix and Along with Diane, I'd have to put in a good word for geeqie. I started with gqview (from which geeqie was forked) and while the switchover to geeqie was a bit difficult due to learning curve and muscle memory, I have been pretty happy with it. It is quite customizable. In particular, under "Edit"->"Preferences"->"Windows"->"Overlay Screen Display" you can customize the Image Overlay Template to list any information you want. Since it is possible to add EXIF information as I have done for exif.photo.datetimeoriginal: %Exif.Photo.DateTimeOriginal% it should be possible to add something similar for IPTC fields. If you figure out a recipe, I'd be interested to add it to my overlay template and potentially start using IPTC fields myself. Also, adding a hotkey to geeqie to be able to easily edit IPTC fields would be a nice touch. I've already added keyboard shortcut customizations to invoke ufraw, gimp, rotations, pushing batches of images to my next stage of processing, etc... You can enable/disable the overlay with "i" while viewing an image. "j" changes overlay histogram log/linear. "k" changes overlay histogram all/r/g/b/black. It may even be possible to get the IPTC field text added to the bottom status bar along with the file selection stats, image stats, pixel RGB values and co-ordiate stats, zoom, etc. > Gimp and Irfanview are happy to show the comments I put in, but the > interface isn't set up for browsing the image + comments quickly. > > In the next few days I'll try to set up a little review and > put it on the oclug wiki to provide a focus. Otherwise one can get > a lot of unnecessary back and forth. In part it seems jpeg files > can have information in lots of different pockets, and different > software uses different locations. > > FWIW, I've found a number of review items on the net are rather > optimistic about the capabilities of some of the software. After I > installed some, I could not find some features claimed for some > apps. > > Best, JN > > > > On 2017-04-20 04:55 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: > >On Thu, 20 Apr 2017 16:52:43 -0400 > >Dianne Skoll <d...@roaringpenguin.com> wrote: > > > >>Sure; geeqie. Packaged in Debian and source is at > >>http://geeqie.sourceforge.net/ > > > >*sigh*, make that http://geeqie.org/ > > > >Regards, > > > >Dianne. > >___ > >Linux mailing list > >Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca > >http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux > > > ___ > Linux mailing list > Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca > http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] looking for a new host for my web site for april 1
On 2017-03-10 10:01, Alex Pilon wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 06:44:25AM -0500, Rick Leir wrote: > > Your other option is that many list members have a server in their basement, > > some with impressive uptimes. > > Which also means that they're likely running under-patched kernels, > libraries, daemons, etc??? doesn't it? Oh yeah, and commercial services always update their distros... Impressive uptimes and updates aren't incompatible... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYRlTISvjww > Alex Pilon slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] where downtown (byward market) can i donate cables?
On 17/02/18, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > cleaning out the place, and have, literally, bags of net and USB > cables and other stuff. is there a geek-oriented charity i can dump > this with that could make use of it? Yes, south-east corner of Somerset West and Breezehill there is CompuCorps, a charity that provides training and refurbs computers for at risk groups. http://compucorps.org/ http://compucorps.org/about/ > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] static ip setup for Linux Mint 18 and similar
On 16/12/13, Alex Pilon wrote: > On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 02:55:00PM -0500, J C Nash wrote: > > It has been useful to sshfs to this desktop to transfer files over LAN, so I > > have used a static IP. > > I do not see at all how these two statements have anything to do each > other. LAN does not imply static IP. Could you elaborate? > > Is it just that you used a static IP because you didn't know about > discovery protocols like mDNS+DNS-SD or can't set them up? Any big Linux > distro will have Avahi configured and running, so you should just be > able to use the fake .local TLD. E.g., if my hostname is tplinux, I can > SSHFS to tplinux.local. > > Is there some other reason? > > General note to all readers, don't use static IPs unless you know you > have a particular need for them. Static IPs are far easier to debug remotely on routable networks when there are occasional problems with DHCP. They are particularly useful on the machine serving DHCP and at least one other should the first die. > > Running ifconfig > > ifconfig will soon disappear from all sane systems. It has a host of > problems, not just internal technical, but also usability and > correctness. Use iproute2. See > > > http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/93412/difference-between-ifconfig-and-ip-commands/93461#93461 > > So, `ip -4 address show scope global` (verbose, remove all the noise), or > just `ip a` (if you don't mind *some* noise in the output). `ip -4 r > show scope global` to see the non-link IPv4 routes. Or "ip addr" and "ip route" for the equivalents to "ifconfig" and "route". Add a "-6" if you need that. > Alex Pilon slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Anyone know of an open source rack monitoring project?
On 16/09/21, Alan McKay wrote:
> Hi folks,
Hi Alan,
> I am looking at possibly using 1-wire stuff with rPi to put together a
> system that will send SNMP traps for different physical events in the
> datacenter. Like door-open and what-not. Maybe add some 1-wire
> temperature sensors.
>
> I did a fair bit of googling last night (over an hour) and could not
> find anything existing specific to this. I might be interested in
> starting such a project though I'd really like to know for sure first
> whether or not there is something existing. I'd sooner support an
> existing project than start my own.
This isn't exactly what you are seeking, but I'm interested in the same
things you are and looking to continue development of what I've already
done:
http://tricolour.net/smart_panel.html
I've got water meters and solenoid valves to add water monitoring...
I have yet to upload my code to github.
There is also a project that three of us at CREDIL.org are working on to
add a control element to the monitoring, called "protein". We've got
several prototypes made and just had a run of 10 PCBs made:
https://code.credil.org/projects/protein
Contributions to either project would be welcome. They are intended to
be open hardware.
> -Alan
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] how to best (securely?) install S/W on 1000s of remote sites?
On 16/09/06, Roland Renaud wrote: > We used Sun "jumpstart" to upgrade machines for Y2K. > In 2005, I used "kickstart" for a few Linux machines. > There might be a modern version of this that might help. > > As far as trusting your downloads, would having SHA sums help to > verify that you got what you expected? Do you need to securely download them if you can check hash sums or gpg signatures? So, against what threat are you trying to secure? Eavesdropping? Injection of trojans? scp is overkill if you don't care about eavesdropping. And if you do care about eavesdropping, how about using IPsec with IKE with a locally generated private key. I'd say you at least care about integrity, so at least check your hash sums if not your gpg signatures on your base linux distro and do at least that on your customizations. What is the purpose of the on-site personnel if not to receive or send a unique site password? > roland > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpj...@crashcourse.ca> > wrote: > > (if there is an obvious solution to this, then i'm just missing it.) > > > > i'm pondering how best to install a new linux distro on remote > > hosts, under the assumption that there will be someone *at* the remote > > site and able to invoke the program to kick the whole thing off -- > > that part is a given. > > > > i've already written/stolen an installer which will download various > > binary images, and will (as root) partition the target disk, and > > create filesystems, and so on and so on ... again, that's not the > > issue. that the installer will have to run as root is kind of obvious, > > given its need to do low-level disk manipulation and so on, so no > > issue there. > > > > the issue is how to securely download the binary images (u-boot > > binary, root filesystem tarball, additional proprietary apps), etc, > > etc, where all those images are at a central and well-known IP > > address. so here's my thinking thus far. > > > > the consensus is that we should use "scp" to grab the images, which > > is fine with me, but how does one set this up to run "securely" in the > > first place. i can already see that the downloading does not require > > root privilege -- one can create a username like "installer", which > > has limited privileges and exists only for downloading. > > > > so do we use a password when invoking the remote account for "scp"? > > that would kind of defeat the purpose if passwords can be hacked (even > > if they're transmitted in ciphertext). > > > > each installer program could, upon being invoked at the remote site, > > create a private/public key pair for the "installer" account, but you > > can't use "ssh-copy-id" to add it to the central/server host without a > > password, so you're right back where you started. > > > > one idea i had is that downloading the base linux distro doesn't > > need to be that secure as it's just linux, but once that remote > > install comes up for the first time, it can (somehow securely) > > download the proprietary app. > > > > am i overthinking this? is there a simply solution i'm overlooking? > > > > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] git question: how can i drop the n'th last commit?
On 16/05/10, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > SCENARIO: most recent 5 commits on a clean, linear history branch: > > ... X <--- A <--- B <--- C <--- D <--- E (HEAD) > > suddenly, i wish i hadn't done A, but want to leave the more recent > commits on that branch (rebased of course). > > pretty sure i can do an interactive rebase, as in: > > $ git rebase -i X In fact, I've done this before and lost a merge in the process due to the interactive option, so I think you might need to do: git rebase -i A~ > oh, wait, can't i just rebase B onto X? effectively, i want to > reproduce the work from B to E as if it originated at X; isn't that > just a regular rebase? thoughts? I've never done it, but I was re-reading that manpage recently and I think you can just do: git rebase --onto X B E > rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] optimal choice for filesystem type for SSD drive doing big builds?
On 16/01/11, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > i just added (as a second HD in my laptop) a 480G SSD hard drive, on > which i want to do fairly sizable builds (kernel, yocto project, > etc.). given that it's a fairly sizable drive, it should take that > much longer before i wear it out. > > normally, if i was interested in longevity, i'd put the *source* for > all my builds on the SSD, and leave the generation of build artifacts > on the regular drive. but at this point, i don't really care. given > the time i'll be saving, i'm more than happy to put it all on the SSD > and wear the heck out of it, then replace it when it wears out and > keep on going. > > under these circumstances, is there an optimal choice for filesystem > type given what i'll be doing on that drive? i'm running fedora 23 so > ext4 is the simple and obvious choice, but does anyone have experience > with a different filesystem that would be preferable? possibly btrfs? I had btrfs running on f18 and ended up re-installing with ext4 due to a known interaction with firefox and btrfs that may have killed the spinning rust in my work Thinkpad. I'm now running f23 on an SSD as the primary system drive and now using the warranty replacement spinning rust for personal data, all running ext4. As far as I know, BTRFS still hasn't made it from Fedora to RHEL because it hasn't shown itself to be quite stable enough yet. > thoughts? > > rday > > -- > > > Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA > http://crashcourse.ca > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday > LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday > > > ___ > Linux mailing list > Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca > http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] December Meeting: 2015-12-03 @ 19:00
On 15/12/01, Aaron Eberlee wrote: > Wish I could go but I have a class at the same time and same place.. In T-317 as well? Cool! See you there! ;-) > On Nov 29, 2015 2:35 PM, "Murphy Scott" <scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com> wrote: > > Location: Woodroffe Campus, Algonquin College - Building T, Room T-317 > > > > This month we will be having a distro talk on linux distributions. The > > talk will be a number of short talks about specific distress, followed by > > the opportunity for anyone else to take the floor and talk about a > > distribution they are interested in or would like to mention to the group. > > > > There will be a one hour pre-meeting item from 18:00 to 19:00 for people > > who are new to Linux, have general questions, or just wish to help out with > > people who are just getting started. > > > > After the main talk, there will be the opportunity for a GPG key signing. > > This is a standard offering, just look for Scott after the talk and we can > > go from there. Bring your ID slips and some kind of ID if you expect a > > number of people to sign your key. > > > > For further information on the venue, visit the website: > > http://oclug.on.ca <http://oclug.on.ca/> > > > > Note: We are always soliciting speakers for future meetings. If anyone > > wants to get up and cover a favourite project, solution, etc. feel free to > > contact the board with an outline. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Code Arduino to move stepper motors
On 15/10/19, Tsikata Jonathan wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> Please I am currently looking for someone to write a C-Code to talk to
> Arduino to move two stepper motors in *x* and *y* directions respectively.
>
> If you know of anybody who can help, kindly let me know. Please I am ready
> to pay for the service.
I am almost certain that code already exists. There is an arduino shield that
supports that hardware. I have two: https://www.adafruit.com/products/81
There is a newer one: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1438
And a reference library: https://www.arduino.cc/en/Reference/Stepper
A quick search on arduino and stepper finds all kinds of relevant resources...
https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-arduino-lesson-16-stepper-motors/overview
To be strict, the library above is to be used in the Processing language, which
looks a whole lot like C.
> Contact: jmtsik...@gmail.com
>
> Jonathan
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] i suspect it's unlikely, but has anyone here taken docker courses?
On 15/08/01, Robert P. J. Day wrote: i just got a request from a major client to teach one or more courses in docker, which is ironic as i'm currently pre-pub editing an upcoming book on that very topic: http://www.amazon.com/Docker-Containers-Start-Enterprise-Series/dp/013413656X so i'm curious ... anyone on this list ever taken an actual course in docker from a training vendor? can i ask what you thought of it? i had already half-designed an intro docker course based on my editing, but i'm certainly curious as to the quality of other docker courses out there. No idea about docker courses... Closest I come is kernel audit subsystem modifications to enable the audit daemon to be run in a container without compromising the audit daemon running in the initial namespaces. This needs to be well understood and carefully coded to ensure complete isolation between containers, some of which could be running an entire userspace distro sharing a kernel with other distros. as i said, i suspect most of this list is not the target audience for an intro course on that topic, so i won't be surprised if no one out there has ever taken such a course. rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ hpv.tricolour.ca www.TriColour.ca -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more git pedantry -- clarifications about .gitignore
On 15/04/29, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2015, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: On 15/04/29, Robert P. J. Day wrote: next question -- a pattern will apply to *any* file type (file or directory), unless suffixed with a slash, whereupon it will apply only to a directory, yes? this would appear to be the case since the kernel .gitignore contains the following lines: /vmlinux /System.map ... /debian/ /tar-install/ I assume the / prefix anchors it in the root of the git tree... well, that was one of the confusing bits as i mentioned earlier ... what does it mean if it shows up in a lower-level .gitignore. the man page states thusly: A leading slash matches the beginning of the pathname. For example, /*.c matches cat-file.c but not mozilla-sha1/sha1.c. but if it's in a subdirectory, does it mean the pathname relative to that subdirectory? the man page doesn't make that clear. I would have assumed relative to the subdirectory, so the arch example you presented earlier, both would match. rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ hpv.tricolour.ca www.TriColour.ca -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more git pedantry -- clarifications about .gitignore
On 15/04/29, Robert P. J. Day wrote: some (hopefully) trivial questions about .gitignore, since the actual documentation isn't as precise as it could be. as examples, i'm going to use the top-level .gitignore file that comes with the kernel source tree, since it seems that that file could be clearer. from the first part of the file: .* *.o *.o.* *.a *.s *.ko *.so ... snip ... that first rule would seem to specify that all objects (file or directory) that begin with a dot are to be ignored, which is fine. after that, we get into more specific wildcards and, first question, generic patterns like that will be applied in that directory and all sub-directories, correct? (barring any sub-directories negating it). Almost certainly. next question -- a pattern will apply to *any* file type (file or directory), unless suffixed with a slash, whereupon it will apply only to a directory, yes? this would appear to be the case since the kernel .gitignore contains the following lines: /vmlinux /System.map ... /debian/ /tar-install/ I assume the / prefix anchors it in the root of the git tree... the first two above being files, the second two obviously being directories. if, however, i had specified just: /debian i am assuming it would still work (barring the unusual existence of a top-level file named debian, of course). given that, these few lines in the file seem odd: # # Generated include files # include/config include/generated arch/*/include/generated first, given that those entries are clearly directories, it would have seemed clearer to have added slash suffixes. again, the lack of the slash won't hurt, but since other parts of this .gitignore file seem to use slashes for clarity, one would think the same should apply here. Have you checked the commit log to see the variety of committers? This sounds like the sort of thing that would not hurt to clean up, assuming sufficient testing is done to ensure there are no surprises. I'm sure a cleanup patch would be picked apart and well-vetted. and another thing ... why both of these lines? include/generated arch/*/include/generated isn't there a wildcard pattern that would subsume both of those entries? I would assume so. Again, I'd look at the commit log. finally, would it not make more sense to replace things like: Module.symvers with /Module.symvers since i'm fairly sure you only get one of those, yes? i thought there was one more thing i wanted to ask, but i can't remember what it was. rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ hpv.tricolour.ca www.TriColour.ca -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] make menuconfig deprecation (was: make environment variables and the kbuild system)
On 15/04/20, Alex Pilon wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 08:30:44AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: [???] related to that, in the top-level Kconfig file, a variable by that same name is used to generate the make menuconfig banner thusly: Side note, menuconfig has been superseded for a little while now. commit 692d97c380c6dce2c35a04c5dcbce4e831a42fa0 Author: nir.tzac...@gmail.com nir.tzac...@gmail.com Date: Wed Nov 25 12:28:43 2009 +0200 kconfig: new configuration interface (nconfig) This patch was inspired by the kernel projects page, where an ncurses replacement for menuconfig was mentioned (by Sam Ravnborg). Building on menuconfig, this patch implements a more modern look interface using ncurses and ncurses' satellite libraries (menu, panel, form). The implementation does not depend on lxdialog, which is currently distributed with the kernel. Signed-off-by: Nir Tzachar nir.tzac...@gmail.com Signed-off-by: Michal Marek mma...@suse.cz Thank you for remiinding me of this tool that you had mentioned at the last L3GO meeting. I am not aware of any reason to keep using menuconfig. You underestimate the power of muscle memory... As far as I know, nconfig implements a superset. In projects like busybox and uclibc still stuck with only menuconfig, you're often wondering where's X defined and you can't just F8, type part of the Kconfig variable name, and get all the info you wished for. Does F8 work through ssh/screen/tmux? Regards, Alex Pilon slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ hpv.tricolour.ca www.TriColour.ca -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Firewall
On 15/01/07, Jeff Green wrote: I bought it all here: http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4 The ordering process is a bit weird but after payment, they sent me a UPS confirmation shipment code within the hour. I will be using PfSense as the o/s + firewall (BSD based) with a nice shell access and web based front end. I love this distro as I have many persistant VPN tunnels going and the integration with snort, pfBlocker, squid, DNS, DHCP etc just just superb. I tried so many other firewalls out there... some of which I ran in my ehacking lab. This one really stands out. It's free with optional annual support for tech assistance) Software updates are free. The installation which installs the o/s and firewall packages that gets you to a point where you can connect a puter to config over a web browser takes all but 10 minutes from start to finish. Any opinions on IPCop? I've dealt with that one, otherwise rolled my own on an X86 box from Debian, or ran OpenWRT or CeroWRT... One cool thing to point out that the PfSense folks do have ready made hardware packages pre-installed with their software. With the parts I mention below, it is smaller and more powerful, faster and higher capacity storage (SSD) vs their $800 equivalent. I opted for the 16GB SSD as I run squid transparently to flush out all the ads and speed up content. My parts below added up to $232. I'm currently running this on a micro-ATX system with 2GB ram where my memory utilization of about 55% due to 800,000 table size for ip blocking via pbBlocker - which is why I chose the 4GB version below. My next fave firewall software / OS = http://www.zeroshell.org/ which is a little more primitive, (linux based i think) but extremely configurable. Jeff Green snippidy-doo-dah... no need to cargo-cult nearly 1000 lines of digest... slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ hpv.tricolour.ca www.TriColour.ca -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
[OCLUG-Tech] netdev 0.1 Announcement (global Linux developer conference in our backyard)
Netdev 0.1 (year 0, conference 1) is a community-driven conference geared towards Linux netheads. Linux kernel networking and user space utilization of the interfaces to the Linux kernel networking subsystem are the focus. If you are using Linux as a boot system for proprietary networking, then this conference may not be for you. The netdev conference this year is structured to be 50/50 by-invitation and talk submission. We are making sure that we reach out to speakers who have interesting relevant topics because we recognize most of these folks would typically not be submitting papers to a conference. The invitation will be made by the technical committee to the individual speakers both for paper and tutorial sessions. The call for papers is for the 50% submission portion of the conference for both paper submission as well as tutorials. We *highly discourage* submission of recycled talks. Current topics include - wireless - performance analysis and improvement - networking hardware and offload - netfilter - traffic control - different networking layers (L2/3, etc) - internet of things - security - additional topics can be suggested We encourage submission of papers and tutorials. Unlike other conferences, we are going to try and accommodate as many submissions as possible - but please stay within the relevant topic focus and tie to Linux networking to make it easier for the technical committee to provide quick feedback. In order to give a talk you must be registered. If your proposal is accepted you will not be charged a conference fee or your conference fee will be refunded to you when your talk gets accepted. We will be posting more updates on how to submit in the near future. We expect about 3-4 parallel tracks both during tutorials and main talks. Tutorials will be on the first day and talks on subsequent days. Why you should register --- If you yearn for the old community tech driven conferences where you mingle with fellow geeks (only these would be Linux networking geeks) then this would be it. There will be no marketting flashy openings. There will just be a pure feed of Linux networking. netdev 0.1 will be held back to back with netconf 2015, the by-invite Linux kernel networking workshop (http://vger.kernel.org/netconf2015.html). So gurus of all sorts will be there mingling and giving talks. While there will be heavy Linux kernel influence we expect a lot of user space presence as well. Location: - Downtown Ottawa, Canada www.netdev01.org Will be held back to back with netconf 2015. Important Dates: December 2, 2014Call for Papers opens December 10, 2014 Registration opens January 10, 2015Call for sessions deadline January 20, 2015Conference schedule announced February 14-17, 2015Conference days Please register as soon as registration opens up on December 10. Registering helps us plan properly for numbers of attendees, ensuring venue sizes and supplies are appropriate without wasting resources. contact: i...@netdev01.info slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] FYI: Phone Scam for Windows Support
On 14/08/08, Shawn H Corey wrote: I just got a phone call by a woman with an Indian accent for Windows phone support. This is a scam to get you to give them your password. Warn your friends and co-workers who are running Windows not to fall for it. Nobody should give their passwords over the phone. Worse, they will actively sabotage your system, then extort to repair it. One guy documented on his web site how they do this, starting by firing up an expendable Windows VM, giving the guy credentials to log in, then watched the guy delete some critical startup files, reboot into a non-functioning system, then ask for money to repair it, recording the entire session. I've strung a couple of them along... One guy told me my computer was infected with a virus. I asked him which computer. He had to pause because that wasn't in his script. He asked how many I had. I replied 15. He asked how many were Windows machines. I replied none. He said You're lying. I burst out laughing at the irony of him telling me I was lying and I replied I'm lying? You are the one who told me I had a computer infected with a virus. He gave some weak excuse and hung up. Any idea how to also get rid of the Air Duct Cleaning Service and Credit Card Services liars too? I've had dozens of calls from all three that won't stop despite the fact that they waste their time at our number every time. Because telcos make too much money selling services to shysters, they have no interest in tracking offenders like this while do not call lists and anti-spam legislation can interfere with legitimate activity. /rant Shawn slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] linux in the wet?
On 14/07/13, Prof J C Nash (U30A) wrote: Afraid this penguin likes to stay dry for picnics and will unfortunately drop out. Bucketing down at our place just now. Hope to see folks next time. Looking at the radar, I'm optimistic it'll pass by then. Although I am kind of glad I didn't get my ducks in a row to announce the Hacker Bike Ride as an OLS BoFS for this morning to arrive at the picnic. JN slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] RVSP for Linux In The Wild
On 14/07/12, Nathan Kirk wrote: Hi, I plan to be there, although the weather is not looking good. It says showers, as opposed to rain, so that isn't so dire. Showers tend to last up to 30 minutes with sunny breaks whereas rain can be steady all day. I will bring my 2 children, 7 year old and 9 year old. I will bring an 11 year old. I may also bring some cyclists from linuxsymposium.org, sometimes from out of town. Nathan Kirk On 07/09/2014 12:34 PM, OCLUG Technical Discussions wrote: Two of us plan to be there. John Nash On 14-07-09 09:46 AM, OCLUG Technical Discussions wrote: Hi I am not new to Ottawa, but I want to register for LITW as well. One adult, two kids age 9 and 14. Jacob, Bring towels and have your kids wear swim suits under their clothes. Maybe you can wear shorts! The river is very shallow and fun to wade in. (Extra towels for sitting on, on the way home) Rob slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] is there (or should there be) a local embedded linux interest group?
On 14/05/15, Jason Butler wrote: I'd also be interested in a Linux group dedicated to embedded Linux. A location easily accessible from the Queensway is preferable also. But bicycles aren't allowed on the Queensway!?! http://www.meetup.com/__L3GO/ met this past Tuesday evening. 6 of us were there. There was no formal presentation (there have been several semi-formal ones in the past) but there was some great conversation diving into several technical subjects with some great food. ? Jason From: Dmitriy Korovkin dnkorov...@gmail.com To: linux@lists.oclug.on.ca Sent: Friday, May 9, 2014 9:22:44 AM Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] is there (or should there be) a local embedded linux interest group? On Fri, 9 May 2014 07:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: ? strictly from a personal interest point of view, i'd like to see *some* sort of local (ottawa-based) group devoted primarily to embedded linux. for the purposes of keeping up to date for my training courses, i'm constantly buying the latest development kits in case one of my clients eventually wants a course on that board, and it would be nice to have some kind of support group of people working/playing in the same area i can consult/bug/harass if i'm having difficulty or just want someone to chat with. ? thoughts? recommendations? rday I would be interested a lot in such a group if it does not require personal presence somewhere in downtown I try to avoid traffic there as much as I can. Regards, /Dmitriy. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] is there (or should there be) a local embedded linux interest group?
On 14/05/09, Robert P. J. Day wrote: strictly from a personal interest point of view, i'd like to see *some* sort of local (ottawa-based) group devoted primarily to embedded linux. for the purposes of keeping up to date for my training courses, i'm constantly buying the latest development kits in case one of my clients eventually wants a course on that board, and it would be nice to have some kind of support group of people working/playing in the same area i can consult/bug/harass if i'm having difficulty or just want someone to chat with. thoughts? recommendations? http://www.meetup.com/__L3GO/ rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Looking for DNS ...
On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 05:14:12PM -0400, Alex Pilon wrote: On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 10:24:01PM -0400, Brett Delmage wrote: If your ISP is teksavvy (and maybe others) you can get static IP DSL for a small fee per month. On Sat, 3 May 2014, Alex Pilon wrote: Which I did. Just be ready to ask Teksavvy if you can relay mail through their smarthost or other SMTP servers, if sending to certain domains. I had to. On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 08:56:45AM -0400, Derek Murphy (Simba 64 bit) wrote: Strange. I use TekSavvy with a static IP, run my own mail server (Sendmail, because I'm old) and DNS (BIND, also because I'm old) and I've never had a problem sending mail to anyone. You haven't. Could your IP in particular, or could just be that none of the recipients' domain were a problem. I'm using my own IP block rather than a rented address from a larger random ISP block. This list is running on an address from that block too. I may also be unaware of having emailed into a small number of black holes. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] [OT] looking for someone who can machine aluminum blocks
On 14/04/23, Robert P. J. Day wrote: given the possible maker community in the area, i figure i might as well ask here -- i'm looking for someone local who can do some simple machining of aluminum blocks to build a spherical ice cube maker. here's a sample set of instructions online: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-an-ice-ball-maker/ really pretty straightforward -- two sizable aluminum blocks, machine two half-spheres into them, then install a couple vertical guides to let one block slowly, driven by it own weight, flatten a chunk of ice into a perfectly spherical ball. here's a video showing the principle in action (using copper instead of aluminum): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuSeKS9sbZg anyway, you get the idea. anyone here have any suggestions for machine shops in town that can do this kind of thing? thanks. This guy can most likely help you: http://www.johnsonweldingworks.com/ I'm heading in there today to get a part of one of my recumbent bikes fixed. rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] anyone mind if i ask a few questions about systemd before tomorrow?
On 14/03/05, Robert P. J. Day wrote: i realize i'm on the agenda for tomorrow's OCLUG meeting to give a presentation on systemd and, oh my, this is quite the rabbit hole i've wandered into. :-) to the point where, if you keep following links, you get to the discussion where d-bus is going to be replaced: http://lwn.net/Articles/580194/ and systemd as a programming language: http://lwn.net/Articles/584176/ http://lwn.net/Articles/584175/ anyway, like most of you, i suspect i've used it happily as a user and for simple admin, but poking around always generates a few more questions. so, anyone mind if i spoil the surprise by asking the rest of the list some systemd questions today? There's always irc://irc.freenode.net/#systemd rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
[OCLUG-Tech] On LUGs and community groups
Hi all, Some of you may remember Josh Bush, a guy from Tasmania, Australia who spoke at OCLUG two winters in a row, bookending their hosting linux.conf.au. He also talked about Hugin for using an open source tool for doing HDR (High Dynamic Range) photography and image stitching. He has written a fairly thorough article about his thoughts on running a LUG and other F/LOSS-related community events: http://cheesetalks.twolofbees.com/usergroups.php We're mentioned in it. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] a compelling application for bind mounts?
On 13/12/26, Strake wrote: On 26/12/2013, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: does anyone here use bind mounts on a regular basis, and for what? Not regular, but I often bind into chroot environments or with HTTP servers who won't follow symlinks for security reasons. Simlarly, I've seen bind mounts used in NFS4 for exporting all filesystems from the same directory. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] a compelling application for bind mounts?
On 13/12/26, Peter Sj?berg wrote: On 12/26/2013 01:11 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Thu, 26 Dec 2013, Bart Trojanowski wrote: Similar to chroots, I use bind mounts for containers. This is useful to give all containers access to the same /home or for distributing /etc/resolv.conf. The latter is actually a very cool use case of bind mounts... you can bind a file, not just a directory. yes, i was playing with that very feature earlier this morning. it's not that there's a lack of info on bind mounts; rather, there's a lack of really good *examples* of its use. Besides what other already said I commonly use it to find out why / (or any other fs with multiple fs mounted on top) is filled up mount --bind / /mnt/root du -sh /mnt/root/*|sort -h since then all the mounted fs won't get included and it even catch if someone manage to fill up /dev, /proc, /sys or /tmp before it's properly mounted. Interesting... I would normally just use: du -hxd1 /|sort -h Another use is when I booted a cd in rescue mode and the real fs is mounted under /mnt. chroot /mnt kind of works but you have to mount /proc, /sys /dev properly and for that I normally use bind mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev and so on, and no issues to cleanly umount it later. All good tips coming out in this thread... /ps slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] [OT] any recommendations on shipping to ogdensburg, NY for pickup?
On 13/12/11, Robert P. J. Day wrote: totally off-topic, but i suspect some folks here might have advice -- i want to order some stuff from the US wherein they don't ship to canada, but i can get it shipped to any convenient border drop depot or whatever, and drive down, pick it up, and pay the duty on the way back at the border. it would *seem* that the closest location from here would be ogdensburg, NY, so has anyone done this and have suggestions for a good drop point? i can see several sites like this: I've used the services of the UPS store in Ogdensburg. They are well organized and the rates seem reasonable. http://myusaddress.ca/ http://www.trackogdensburg.com/ http://shippingtoogdensburg.com/ so ... recommendations? rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] free mailing list host
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 02:27:19PM -0500, Jean-Luc cooke wrote: mailchimp yahoogroups? google? On 29/11/13 14:04, Peter Sj?berg wrote: I club I'm in looking for a way to manage a mailing list and while I could set up something in my basement I prefer to have it hosted somewhere else so I'm wondering if anyone here has any suggestions ? I'm not sure about the requirement but my guess is for a start: own domainname not required, can very well be myclub.freelist.com 100 subscribers 10 messages a month broadcast only Possible future 100 subscribers 100 (probably 10) messages but bidirectional for discussions (like this list) Google found a few like http://www.ymlp.com/index.html http://www.freelists.org/ http://www.bravemailer.com/ http://notifylist.com/ Before I start reading the fineprint on all of them I wonder if anyone know good/bad about them or have better suggestions ? Jean-Luc Cooke slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] PGP Info in tagline
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:20:32PM -0700, Jean-Francois Messier wrote: Usually, what are the infos in the email tag line about a PGP/GPG key ? Is there a format ? I want to update my mail tag with just the right info. I currently see this from the command line: === pub 2048R/4EFF6649 2013-10-03 Key fingerprint = 9A07 242C 1AEE 2A0D A0F4 B737 23C6 9C3F 4EFF 6649 uid Jean-Francois Messier (New PGP key) new...@messier.ca === I'd strip it down to these two: PGP KEYID: 3382648E PGP Fingerprint: D9DB 27DF 0066 1098 2085 7E5A 0557 2D63 3382 648E The rest anyone can get from a key server and your uid is in your From: line. Thanks :-) JF slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] PGP Info in tagline
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 04:54:06PM -0400, Murphy Scott wrote: Technically, you only need the full fingerprint, as the keyid is the last 8 hex digits of the fingerprint That doesn't work for my older key: 2115A82D 19 6A 8F C2 B5 D8 7A AA 28 E0 FE 26 6F F0 84 9E Scott On 2013-10-09, at 3:34 PM, Richard Guy Briggs r...@tricolour.net wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 12:20:32PM -0700, Jean-Francois Messier wrote: Usually, what are the infos in the email tag line about a PGP/GPG key ? Is there a format ? I want to update my mail tag with just the right info. I currently see this from the command line: === pub 2048R/4EFF6649 2013-10-03 Key fingerprint = 9A07 242C 1AEE 2A0D A0F4 B737 23C6 9C3F 4EFF 6649 uid Jean-Francois Messier (New PGP key) new...@messier.ca === I'd strip it down to these two: PGP KEYID: 3382648E PGP Fingerprint: D9DB 27DF 0066 1098 2085 7E5A 0557 2D63 3382 648E The rest anyone can get from a key server and your uid is in your From: line. Thanks :-) JF slainte mhath, RGB slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Au revoir!
On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 09:41:16AM -0700, Rob Echlin wrote: Hi guys, I have left the OCLUG board. I am learning French, with the goal of being able to communicate with the teachers in the CEPEO, the French Public School Board, where my kids are now. This will take a while, and the classes I am going into are on Tues and Thurs evenings, so I won't be at club meetings for the next year or two, at least 8 times a year, probably 10. Kudos for taking on this significant learning task. Best of luck. I will continue to be on the mail lists, and sometimes on IRC. Thanks very much for your efforts in leading OCLUG and look forward to your rejoining us later. All my very best, Rob slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Use of USB wifi adapter for an AP on a custom router
On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:24:10PM -0400, Stephen Gregory wrote: On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Alex Pilon a...@alexpilon.ca wrote: Has anyone tried making their own wireless AP in such a manner before? Has anyone ever had issues with it, other than the usual issues that Wi-Fi has (like latency). I am using two USB wifi adapters to turn an old laptop into an AP. Hostapd and the USB devices have been working without issue. (Apart from the usual WiFi problems.) My only complaint is that I am not sure if 802.11N is working. I am using two ALFA AWUS050NH. (Ralink RT2770) One is on 2.4GHz, the other on 5GHz. I had a similar setup with a low powered ARM based Guruplug. The USB adapters worked fine but I needed a powered hub. If you have problems with the Soekris add a powered USB hub before you go too crazy trying to get it to work. I was having some very strange bandwidth issues with my ISP a couple of years ago, so I swapped out my WRT54GL running OpenWRT for an x86_64 machine running Debian with a PCI 802.11b card so I could use standard tools I knew well to monitor and filter certain types of traffic easily, quickly and reliably. It helped a huge amount. I was running hostapd. I'm now ready to go back to an embedded device and will use a Netgear WNDR3800 running CeroWRT. sg slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] oswatcher alternative, collector of top/ps/iostat/vmstat/... info
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 10:28:59AM -0400, Brenda J. Butler wrote: I don't know oswatcher, but based on your description the following would be usefule for you: munin (keeps a contstant sized database, which thins out as you look back in time). nagios In both cases, if there is some test they don't already do, you can write your own and have them use it. My understanding is Nagios can use mrtg or rrdtool databases that also keep a constant size database like munin (maybe munin actually uses one of these two as well). I should have a look at munin and nagios... since I'm still using MRTG and it is getting a bit out of hand and there is lots of that data that would be better plotted on the same graph... http://toccata2.tricolour.ca/mrtg/mrtg-rrd.cgi/ bjb On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 09:56:02AM -0400, Peter Sj?berg wrote: Just wonder if it's something already out there that does something similar to what oracles oswatcher does ? What I'm looking for is some tool to use when analyzing server issues and while oswatcher could be good it's questionable license and I don't run oracle at all on most of the servers I need it. The tool would collect the output of ps,top,iostat,netstat,vmstat,mpstat,who,... every so often (like every minute) to some kind of archive and then after so long (X hours) old data is removed. I can easily write something my self but before doing that I want to see if someone else already taken the trouble doing it. Techwiz, Peter Sjoberg PGP key (12F506C8) on keyserver homepage slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] USB control of digital camera shutter or focus
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 08:46:38PM -0400, Prof J C Nash (U30A) wrote: There are numerous, rather random posts about controlling digital cameras via USB. Most success seems to be with high-end digital SLR types. I'm wondering if anyone has any experience locally. I've a ton of old docs to capture, and have built a copy stand which sort of works with a cheap Webcam, and probably would work better with a good autofocus webcam. However, my wife's digital camera on same stand with flash does quite well, but is tricky to trigger as I've no remote. This is likely tangential to list, but I know there's some digital photo fans out there in that SIG. Happy to go off-list and submit a summary in a couple of weeks. I've had good success with gphoto2 with my DSLR connected by USB. JN slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Can anyone attend to the next meeting?
On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 09:34:16AM -0400, Luiz Capitulino wrote: Hello everyone, Hello Luiz, My name is Luiz and I'm a C developer working on QEMU and starting to work on the kernel. I'm currently living in Gatineau. There are a number of kernel folks in the area. You might also be interested in: Low Level Linux Group of Ottawa (L3GO) http://www.meetup.com/__L3GO/ I'm very interested in attending to the next oclug meeting, and would like to know if anymore can attend or if it's invitation only. It is open to the general public. You are very welcome to join us. Thanks. -- Luiz slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Mailing list etiquette
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 01:16:09PM -0400, Michael Soulier wrote: On 4/26/2013 1:16 PM, Alex Pilon wrote: Does the members of this list prefer that replies go to the list, as FYI for the other list users, or only to the original sender? Mailman isn't configured here to insert a `Reply-To' header as it does on other lists. Best to leave such behaviour to the mail client, is it not? This has been a controvertial topic... http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/listreplyto.html I would be in the considered harmful camp now, though I was not always. Mike slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Building Windows Games with Unity
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 09:26:05AM -0700, Rob Echlin wrote: From: Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca To: OCLUG- Lists linux@lists.oclug.on.ca Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2013 10:22:33 AM When I read the newsletter from Microsoft I was? Shocked!, I say Shocked! when I saw they were promoting a product called Unity and that people could migrate their Unity apps to Windows 8! Now, if only you could publish to Unity from Unity, while running Unity on Unity or even on Gnome or LXDE, that would be cool. Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo. :P Rob slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OVLUG
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 04:54:45PM -0700, Rob Echlin wrote: Hi Rick, I forwarded to my brother who is in the area. I like the light bulb. And I forwarded to a glibc developer who is a fellow RedHatter in the area. Rob From: Rick Malone rick.mal...@gmail.com To: li...@oclug.on.ca Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 2:57:41 PM Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] OVLUG I'd like to let the OCLUG know that I am trying to get the word out about the OVLUG (Ottawa Valley Linux User Group) I have purchased the domain name http://ovlug.ca and I've set up a rudimentary website just enough to allow new members a contact point if thery are interested in joining the group. Please let your members know and hopefully they'll spread the word about us. Thank you Rick Malone slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] give away electronics
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 01:44:52PM -0400, James wrote: I have a wireless B router and a clock radio to give away. Any idea where? Maybe Valu Village? Yeah, Good plan. Value Village would sell that stuff. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] multiboot liveCD isos on external HDD
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 06:36:14PM -0400, Prof J C Nash (U30A) wrote: I've an old 40G 2.5 drive from a dead laptop that is in a USB case. My thought was to use it for holding a bunch of .iso images of liveCDs. However, I've had no joy trying to set up booting of these. Multisystem sort of worked once. Seems glitchy, and attached to different systems had different behaviour. Gujin (following some suggested approaches on net) did not fire up. Grub seems needs an interface to the isos, and instructions I found seemed to suggest I could simply specify the isos in the grub.cfg, which failed when I tried. (The recipe I tried was not clear if it wanted grub or grub2, and I suspect therein lies some of the trouble.) Has anyone done something like this. I'd be happy to get some advice, get it working and write a 1-pager. I've rather put the isos on an external drive than burn them to cd/dvd. Peter Anvin's SYSLINUX or ISO LINUX would be the way I'd go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SYSLINUX http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/The_Syslinux_Project I'm already using pxelinux on my network to boot a number of distributions. Cheers, JN slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Help recovering a (software-dead, not hardware dead) hard-drive SOLVED!
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:11:15PM -0500, ed stuckems wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:52 AM, ed stuckems edstuck...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Shawn H Corey shawnhco...@gmail.com
wrote:
snip
When you plug in the drive, does /dev/disk/ get a new entry?
Yes it does. Actually, it gets 3 new entries. Sorry, this is new
territory for me and I can't derive any insight from the new entries.
Maybe someone here can so I've copied them below
/dev/disk/by-path/pci-:00:1a.0-usb-0:1.2.1:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0
/dev/disk/by-id/wwn-0x5Xf
/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD10EADS-22M2B0_WD-
If I had to guess what this means, I'd have to guess that:
(1) the cable is properly connected because the first entry above
seems to indicate there are connections between usb subsystem and scsi
subsystem. I don't believe these would have been created if the
hardware didn't recognize the physical cable connection.
(2) the physical drive is detected. The third entry is based on the
drive's serial number (blotted out because 1984 scared the crap out of
me ;-)
Now my question is, can I use any of these entries with something like
parted or mkfs?
(I think this was an excellent question! I hope my responses lead
somewhere.)
YES, YES I CAN! At least parted seems to work. Accessing the drive
via one of the above device files still seems risky to me.
Okay, I saved the draft e-mail, dug around a little more and I think I
was able to answer some of my own questions. So I'm back in the
e-mail to tell you all what I discovered.
It appears that I was wrong about what I had seen earlier ... the
drive was being attached to a device file but I failed to catch it.
Here's how I discovered my problem (it was all thanks to Shawn's most
excellent question. Shawn I owe you one!)
I poked around the /dev/disk directory and discovered it contains the
following directories:
- by-id
- by-label
- by-partlabel
- by-partuuid
- by-path
- by-uuid
Each directory contains sym-links back some device file in /dev!
Since parted worked on one of these sym-links, it meant that one of
the /dev/sd{a,b,c,d,e,f,g} files was connected to the drive, in
particular the link was to /dev/sdg. Once I realized this, I went
back to see what I had done. It turns out that running:
for f in /dev/sd{a,b,c,d,e,f,g}; do parted -s $f; done
I would have done:
for f in /dev/sd?; do fdisk -l $f; done
which would have given you something useful.
I agree that fdisk is of more and more limited usage these days since it can't
cope with more than 2TB.
produces error messages for those devices that weren't mapped (and
nothing for those device files that were mapped). I failed to notice
that /dev/sdg didn't return an error, ie it did map. While there was
a device file connected to the drive, there was no /dev/sdg1 because
the partition wasn't correctly created.
Sorry for my mistake (but I did learn something from it ;-)
I'm sure there are 10 others also reading this who did too, so thanks for
bringing this practical problem to us. :)
regards,
eds.
slainte mhath, RGB
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] any interest in an OCLUG swap meet?
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 08:14:02AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: not sure if anyone's already suggested this, but is there interest in a meeting where people bring stuff that's still useful but they have no need for and just give it away? personally, i have about a gazillion regular USB and network cables (apparently, they breed when you're not looking) and i'd be happy to give a lot of that away to anyone who needs any. In the past, we have frequently just brought that out to regular meetings. thoughts? rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Feb 7 meeting - Panel discussion?
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 09:43:08PM -0500, Dmitriy Korovkin wrote: As for me, I would suggest a free talk topic that sounds like What's new and cool in Linux and listen about new areas of active development. How about this? I'd like to see this at every meeting, which would fit right in with lightning talks. Regards, Dmitriy On Thu, 17 Jan 2013, Rob Echlin wrote: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca To: OCLUG- Lists linux@lists.oclug.on.ca Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] Feb 7 meeting - Panel discussion? Hi Both of the prospective speakers I had for Feb have indicated they are more interested in presenting at a later time. How about a panel discussion? Or two? Can someone suggest topics, please? Here are my suggestions: - Gaming on Linux in the new age of Steam - Desktop vs Tablet and Phone - How do you do your work? Could a table do it all? - Working for an Open Source company - what's the difference? I am especially interested in a topic where would talk about it yourself or know someone who would. Thanks! Rob ? -- Rob Echlin, B. Eng. 613-266-8311 -? Ottawa, ON http://talksoftware.wordpress.com? - http://picasaweb.google.com/coderoller ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Followup on IMAP issue
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 09:10:30AM -0400, U30A J C Nash wrote: Thanks to several on list, Don Kelly in particular, I was able to see that IMAP was not connecting at uOttawa (but was on gmail). I spent about an hour with a couple of the Telfer IT folk, and we could not get a connection, so phoned central CCS. I sent them some logs and later in the day, things started working. However, in updating a couple of machines, I found that I got similar problems when setting up email. It appears that Thunderbird in particular, but also Evolution (and early Claws mail) seemed to get into difficulties connecting to uOttawa, and it took several tries to get the settings in. It appears to be necessary to purge all processes that might be involved. Certainly changing account settings does not take effect until the email app is closed and restarted at the least. As indicated gmail doesn't seem to be affected. Once Tbird gets a bad connection, it seems to remember this and the trouble stays. There may be an interaction with the gmail account activity that affects things too. I'd thought of mentioning mutt(1) earlier as I've been using IMAPS with mutt for years with few problems once the initial account setup was successful. While this is a rather particular issue (i.e., uOttawa for me), from the very many posts about similar matters on various of the forums, I suspect that better diagnostic tools and prescriptions for at least guiding a fix are in order. Since several of us will be talking about email backup in December, and it was the issues with IMAP that started that initiative. If there are folk interested in trying to document and ameliorate such problems, please get in touch and I'll see what can be said and done for the Dec. meeting. I also plan to be at Nov 1 meeting, and hope some planning for Dec. can take place there. Email is one of the most heavily used and pervasive applications, so a good opportunity for OCLUG to shine. I'd like to see a visit of the topic of spam filtering as an entire related topic. Cheers, JN slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] October Meeting: GPG Overview and Keysigning
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 01:35:59PM -0400, Michael Goguen wrote: I really want to do this gpg signing and start using gpg, but i'm not sure i've figured it out right, yet. I've got id, will bring tonight, went to an online site to make a keypair but it was really long... so um not sure if it was right, since it was different than the example i saw. Bring your laptop if you have one and generate a keypair on that tonight. I can help. I would not trust a keypair generated by any machine you do not control. at any rate, will bring a usb key, hopefully I can do something there? Yup, please do that. If you haven't got a laptop, if you can bring a usb key with a live linux distro on it that is bootable, that should be trustable. michael goguen sixonethree___8fiveone.79zero5 cel On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Michael Goguen michael.gog...@gmail.comwrote: a file with the gpg encrypted on a usb key, always used when using a computer with a usb boot? I donno. Michael Goguen On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Michael Goguen michael.gog...@gmail.comwrote: I'm concerned that my home computer is compromised (and I'm not sure I can keep it physically secure, let alone the info and data), but I would very much like to get into the practice of using gpg, etc, and do this key signing. Any suggestions? Michael Goguen On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca wrote: I'm looking forward to this meeting! Rob Echlin, B. Eng. From: Murphy Scott scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com To: li...@oclug.on.ca Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:40:12 PM Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] October Meeting: GPG Overview and Keysigning Just a reminder that next week the meeting topic will be a GPG overview and a GPG keysigning. If you want to participate in the keysigning, it's more interactive than a talk and you will need a few prepared items: * A previously generated key you plan on using * One, preferably two pieces of picture ID to prove you are who you say you are * Your key information (fingerprint and uid) Ideally, you should bring small pieces of paper with your name and pgp key fingerprint on them to hand out to people. You can include a small verified checkbox that someone can mark if they choose to check identification. Method: * Generate your fingerprint and paste it into a file * Copy and paste until you have filled a sheet of paper * Cut into strips to hand out. For example, I'd have the following: gpg --fingerprint scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com pub 1024D/C52FF996 2001-03-19 Key fingerprint = DBC8 F89C 5F66 8A96 2414 F97D 3F0D 382D C52F F996 (extra info removed) So I'd fill the paper with: scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com C52FF996 Key fingerprint = DBC8 F89C 5F66 8A96 2414 F97D 3F0D 382D C52F F996 - [ ] Checked and cut it into strips to pass out at the keysigning -- Scott Murphy scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] October Meeting: GPG Overview and Keysigning
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 04:42:38PM -0400, Michael Goguen wrote: it just seems like i better start doing and learning how and making mistakes, rather than 'waiting for perfect conditions' since that may never arise, etc. Or i might not gain the knowledge to know, etc. Aye, that's the spirit! ;-) Help isn't far, don't be shy. Michael Goguen On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Michael Goguen michael.gog...@gmail.comwrote: do i need to delete the old pgp thing? someone mentioned the concerns with using an online keypair generator... I guess I should have listened. Michael Goguen On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Michael Goguen michael.gog...@gmail.comwrote: Thx for the help guys. usb linux boot live cd and netbook are available to bring. Michael Goguen On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Richard Guy Briggs r...@tricolour.netwrote: On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 01:35:59PM -0400, Michael Goguen wrote: I really want to do this gpg signing and start using gpg, but i'm not sure i've figured it out right, yet. I've got id, will bring tonight, went to an online site to make a keypair but it was really long... so um not sure if it was right, since it was different than the example i saw. Bring your laptop if you have one and generate a keypair on that tonight. I can help. I would not trust a keypair generated by any machine you do not control. at any rate, will bring a usb key, hopefully I can do something there? Yup, please do that. If you haven't got a laptop, if you can bring a usb key with a live linux distro on it that is bootable, that should be trustable. michael goguen sixonethree___8fiveone.79zero5 cel On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Michael Goguen michael.gog...@gmail.comwrote: a file with the gpg encrypted on a usb key, always used when using a computer with a usb boot? I donno. Michael Goguen On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Michael Goguen michael.gog...@gmail.comwrote: I'm concerned that my home computer is compromised (and I'm not sure I can keep it physically secure, let alone the info and data), but I would very much like to get into the practice of using gpg, etc, and do this key signing. Any suggestions? Michael Goguen On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca wrote: I'm looking forward to this meeting! Rob Echlin, B. Eng. From: Murphy Scott scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com To: li...@oclug.on.ca Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:40:12 PM Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] October Meeting: GPG Overview and Keysigning Just a reminder that next week the meeting topic will be a GPG overview and a GPG keysigning. If you want to participate in the keysigning, it's more interactive than a talk and you will need a few prepared items: * A previously generated key you plan on using * One, preferably two pieces of picture ID to prove you are who you say you are * Your key information (fingerprint and uid) Ideally, you should bring small pieces of paper with your name and pgp key fingerprint on them to hand out to people. You can include a small verified checkbox that someone can mark if they choose to check identification. Method: * Generate your fingerprint and paste it into a file * Copy and paste until you have filled a sheet of paper * Cut into strips to hand out. For example, I'd have the following: gpg --fingerprint scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com pub 1024D/C52FF996 2001-03-19 Key fingerprint = DBC8 F89C 5F66 8A96 2414 F97D 3F0D 382D C52F F996 (extra info removed) So I'd fill the paper with: scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com C52FF996 Key fingerprint = DBC8 F89C 5F66 8A96 2414 F97D 3F0D 382D C52F F996 - [ ] Checked and cut it into strips to pass out at the keysigning -- Scott Murphy scott.mur...@arrow-eye.com ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] late delivery of oclug mail
On Sat, Sep 08, 2012 at 10:18:52AM -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: On 09/08/2012 09:15 AM, Dave O'Neill wrote: If you mean the message about ARM development, it was caught in the spam filter and released this morning. ARM development = body building? Heh, reminds me of when I was involved in the UOttawa solar car... I called the house of one of my teammates to chat with him about something and his SO replied that he was out body building. I scratched my head and puzzled aloud: Frank? Body building?. Martha replied he was at our solar car laboratory, doing fibreglass/kevlar/carbonFibre layups on the body of the car. Shawn slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Linux Digest, Vol 93, Issue 1
On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 12:13:46PM -0400, Eric Brackenbury wrote: Why am I getting this mail after the event :-) Because you are on a digest, which can send up to a day later, if not more. The original was send at 17:00 on the day of the event, which is admittedly a bit late... Eric On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:00 PM, linux-requ...@lists.oclug.on.ca wrote: Send Linux mailing list submissions to linux@lists.oclug.on.ca To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to linux-requ...@lists.oclug.on.ca You can reach the person managing the list at linux-ow...@lists.oclug.on.ca When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Linux digest... Today's Topics: 1. Meeting tonight: Android SDK and helping New LinuxUsers! (Rob Echlin) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 14:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] Meeting tonight: Android SDK and helping New Linux Users! To: OCLUG- Lists linux@lists.oclug.on.ca Message-ID: 1346965623.60406.yahoomail...@web162205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Tonight's main presentation is on installing and using the Android SDK. Jean-Francois Messier previously presented this talk at the Linux Symposium. Ian Gorman has a lighning talk about helping a new Linux user. See you at Shopify! Rob slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
[OCLUG-Tech] OLS Saturday Event - Annual Hacker Bike Ride
Hi local Linux folks: The Hacker Bike Ride is an annual ride that has taken place at most OLS since it started in Canberra in 2000. http://tricolour.net/hackerbikeride.html What:A relaxed social ride to share the sights this city has to offer with fellow conference folk and their families. When: Saturday, July 14th, 10:30 for a couple of hours including a rest stop. Where: Meet on the lawn just west of Colonel By Drive and Daly Avenue. We will then ride on the city's scenic Multiple-Use-Pathways to various points of interest and return to the same location. What to bring: A bike or money for bike rental. Water. A snack or money for confections. The organizers will have a map. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Linux in the Wild 2012
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:29:34PM -0700, Rob Echlin wrote: The Annual Linux in the Wild picnic will be held at Strathcona Park. Everyone is welcome. It's always a good time. There will be pop for all. Please bring food to share, pot luck style. The Rideau River is next to the park, so you probably need to closely watch your kids. I don't know about *closely* since it is only 9 inches deep where we spent over an hour playing in the river. I'll be there with Annabelle. Nico is off to camp for a week. Experience says that adults will be having serious discussions, and telling really bad computer jokes, even when the Board is not having an official meeting! grin I seem to recall just as many adults playing in the water as there were kids! Rob slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] If we had a party, would anyone come?
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 01:57:48PM -0700, Rob Echlin wrote: Time: lunch and the afternoon, Location: probably at Strathcona Park on the Rideau. Depends what date, but yeah, we'd certainly go if we are available. Rob From: Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca To: OCLUG- Lists linux@lists.oclug.on.ca Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:31:40 PM Subject: [OCLUG-Tech] If we had a party, would anyone come? Hi We (the board) are deciding which Sunday in July to hold Linux in the Wild. We would provide pop, and I think someone can bring a BBQ. Kids and Significant Others welcome! Which weekend would you be able to come? Thanks, Rob slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Use of libreoffice to do high school work
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 05:26:30PM -0400, Stewart Bill wrote: | Time | * | * |* |* |* | * |* Amount I agree with John - text can't do everything (Sorry, can't do courier with Evolution) That would be one of my points is that *my* email client is a text client that does monospaced fonts, but many others do proportional fonts where this usage fails... :( On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 17:15 -0400, John C Nash wrote: In my statistics courses, graphs were kind of essential. While I agree with the sentiments of Bill's comment, statistics done with no graphs is generally a vegetarian steak dinner. The real messages are: - allow as much flexibility of tools to create material as possible - specify a format that is adequate and also compatible with the first requirement - this format should be relatively resistant to being messed up by the operating environment/ For me, pdf did the trick, but is isn't perfect. As noted in another comment in this thread, I also have found that LibreOffice works fine if you begin with a .doc created in Word. Bit of a nuisance, and I've no idea why this should be. JN On 06/20/2012 04:47 PM, Stewart Bill wrote: Written at the end of the last millenium: http://www.livinginternet.com/e/ea_atsf.htm On Wed, 2012-06-20 at 16:16 -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: Which is why they should all be *.txt files. Bill Stewart, CEO slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] different request: anyone have a DB9-M to IDC-10 serial cable?
On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 01:43:09PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: that is, one of these? http://pccables.com/07120.htm you can generally find at least one hanging out in an old desktop, and i just verified that one of mine is no longer functioning. so if anyone has a box of old parts and can spare one of those, feel free to bring it along to the oclug meeting this evening. thanks. Yeah, I have a few, and may be able to get home to pick them up before this evening's meeting (but if not, you are relatively close to me, so I can drop one off...) My experience is there is no standard wiring on these, so your chances of them working isn't guaranteed... rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Front end for OCR work
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 10:38:06PM -0400, Bruce wrote: Does anyone know of a GUI front end to do OCR work? Xsane Bruce Harding slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:28:26AM -0400, Jon wrote: On 21-Mar-12 3:23 PM, Bill Strosberg wrote: I have not attended meetings for years - when the meetings moved from the Lees Algonquin campus downtown, it became painful enough to not bother. Subsequent moves westward were just as bad for me. There have been many meeting topics that were interesting, but not enough to commute in from the far east end where I live. No matter who is happy, not everyone will be. Moving meetings back east-ward would cause headaches for folks in the west end. The Algonquin location is a good one - right on the transitway. Close to 417. What's not to like, other than a few extra minutes en route? a few extra minutes In my case, 120 minutes. What's your time worth? Where is the centroid of this region's population? In particular, where is the centroid of interested persons without private motor transportation? slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 08:46:55AM -0400, Grégoire, André wrote: It would cool if we could have a poll to see where members preferred to have the meetings that way the majority would take it. This assumes that the potential body of interested people aren't already ignoring us because of accessibility. It would certainly be more objective than the current set of anekdotes. Andre slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 03:23:48PM -0400, Bill Strosberg wrote: I know it flies in the face of environmental sensitivity, but centrally close to the Queensway with free parking means a lot to people living outside the Greenbelt. Another factor to consider is a question of demographics of participants. If we are looking at a seniors' club, then parking is going to be more important and perhaps not too late. If we are looking at a students' club, then centrallity and transit are going to be important since fewer youth are placing the value in owning motor vehicles in the last 5-10 years than the 50 before that, which is partly due to the disruptive technologies we meet to discuss. Perhaps I am nostalgic for societies that value intergenerational collaboration, but I think it makes sense to make an effort to accomodate both in this particular area of interest. Does it make sense to restrict ourselves to Linux specific topics, or open source software (and perhaps hardware?) in general? I was once involved with the Board, and could be persuaded once again if the survival of the group demanded help. There is too much value in a community to let it die without objection. I would so too be willing. Bill slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 01:25:21PM -0400, Brett Delmage wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 08:46:55AM -0400, Grégoire, André wrote: It would cool if we could have a poll to see where members preferred to have the meetings that way the majority would take it. This assumes that the potential body of interested people aren't already ignoring us because of accessibility. It would certainly be more objective than the current set of anekdotes. It *could* be more objective if conducted properly and transparently for all OCLUG members. Otherwise it might just be a disguised representation of someone's opinion. I would normally assume this goes without saying, but Brett is absolutely correct, since we have seen too many cases where this is not the case. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Virtual Presence Meetings using Open Source technology
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 05:22:33PM -0400, John C Nash wrote: I think that we should be considering online options. I doubt (maybe this is personal bias) that it will be popular as a full-time alternative, but I support exploring the options and trying it out, as I can see how it could fill a void. For some time I think Bart was video recording meeting talks and posting them online... I think this was a worthwhile endeavour even though I never used the service myself. JN On 03/22/2012 12:55 PM, Bill Strosberg wrote: Further to my I wonder comments about the club future and how we meet, what IS the state of things out there? Has anyone delved into larger scale virtual meeting presence? I use telephone conference calls frequently, Skype on a small infrequent scale and have dabbled in Asterisk a little. Cisco does a good commercial job of packaging this for commercial use, but what about open source options? From an open source perspective, here we have a distributed application where clients could do a lot of data reduction processing to minimise traffic. Participant's client computing resources could make the load do-able. Kind of like IRC with optional video and audio elements. Generating a centrally available post-event presentation would be interesting. It seems all the pieces may be available but arranging the parts collectively would be a challenge if it doesn't already exist. Thoughts? -- Bill Strosberg slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] outreach help -- undeliverable
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 05:55:53PM -0500, John C Nash wrote: Tried to thank Darcy, but some glitch along the way.: Bogons... I had trouble posting to his blog site the other day and had to email him... So that email should work... This is the mail system at host mail.ncf.ca. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system da...@siteware.com: host smtp.easydns.com[64.68.200.52] said: 554 5.7.1 da...@siteware.com: Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.ncf.ca X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2086D93E06 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; nas...@uottawa.ca Arrival-Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:41:14 -0500 (EST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; da...@siteware.com Original-Recipient: rfc822;da...@siteware.com Action: failed Status: 5.7.1 Remote-MTA: dns; smtp.easydns.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.1 da...@siteware.com: Relay access denied Part 1.2 Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Outreach help From: John C Nash nas...@uottawa.ca Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:41:11 -0500 To: Darcy Whyte da...@siteware.com I actually suspect problem is not computer but connection/setup to Rogers cable modem. Possibly new version of Thunderbird needs a tweak. My neighbour often gets very nervous that she is stupid (her word), but in the 3 years she's had this machine, all the issues have been ones that were poorly presented or explained interfaces or messages, or genuine bugs. And in this Linux is much better than Windoze, but we've still some miles to go. However, your offer very much appreciated. Thanks, JN PS. It might be that the issue would identify itself as she boots up, and could be diagnosed over the phone. However, my experience is that folk look in the wrong places for the log messages. On 01/30/2012 03:28 PM, Darcy Whyte wrote: Have her bring it to my lab. I'm at 2 Daly, Room M70 but email first to make sure I'm in. -- Darcy Whyte Inventor, Artist *da...@siteware.com* rubber-power.com http://www.rubber-power.com Squirrel Rubber Band Plane! endlessLift.com http://www.endlesslift.com/ Aviation Art Mambohead.com http://www.mambohead.com/ Art+ incandescent.ca http://incandescent.ca/ Energy generalSocial.com http://www.generalsocial.com/ Social Network Theory Siteware.com http://www.siteware.com/: Software Service Since '88 | Canada | N 45° 25'03.1 W 75° 42'21.4 | 613-563-3634 (by appointment) Please reply instead of starting a new email. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:11 PM, John C Nash nas...@uottawa.ca mailto:nas...@uottawa.ca wrote: As part of my efforts to widen the community, I've been setting folk up with Ubuntu for email and text processing etc. One of the people is my next-door neighbour, who I actually lent an old Compaq laptop with Lucid (10.04LTS). The payback is she looks after our condo unit for us when we are away. Currently we're in Arizona until mid-Feb, and in a phone conversation (we also phone to keep in touch) she mentioned it is not working. If there's anyone in Sandy Hill willing to take a look (either it's simple, or the Compaq has given up and gone to old-laptop heaven), perhaps they could get in touch with me off-list and we'll arrange intro. Best, JN slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Changing ISPs
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 06:38:58PM -0500, Woogie wrote: I'd like to second the recommendation for TekSavvy. If you get DSL through them, you can even get in on their IPv6 beta (that is, if it's still ongoing). Sadly not an option with their cable services, or else I'd have jumped right on board. They also don't have ipv6 on their non-pppoe ADSL yet. On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM, Brenda J. Butler b...@sourcerer.ca wrote: Teksavvy and/or NCF. http://teksavvy.com/en/default.asp http://www.ncf.ca/ I tried out that search link canadianisp and searched for DSL suppliers in Nepean, Ottawa, Stittsville and also Chatham (where Teksavvy's head office is), and Teksavvy didn't show up. So I'm not too sure how up to date their DB is. bjb On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 03:44:27PM -0500, Shawn H Corey wrote: I'm currently using Bell for my ISP but I thinking of changing; they are charging too much money for too little performance. I am looking for an ISP to provide DSL at home. Any suggestions? Also, I have looked at this site from comparisons: http://www.canadianisp.ca/ Does anyone have suggestions for other comparison sites? -- Shawn slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] how does current email protocol support mail receipt verification?
On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 09:20:38PM -0500, Ian Ward wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.cawrote: the lawyer took it one step further, asking whether there was a way to absolutely *guarantee* that someone you emailed had read that email. i'm not a mail protocol expert but i thought about it briefly, then said i didn't think so, and used my mail setup as an example. People commonly call a shared exchange server email, and I believe with exchange and a bunch of microsoft email clients you can tell when an email has been displayed. But even then, I don't know how this could ever be the same as saying that a person actually *read* the email. Or whether it was an anti-spam or virus scanner that actually did, or even a spook. I'd say that most marketing types and lawyers don't understand the technology enough to be so certain, particularly if technical folks don't. Ian slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] how does current email protocol support mail receipt verification?
On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 10:59:25PM -0500, Shawn H Corey wrote: On 12-01-06 10:48 PM, Brenda J. Butler wrote: On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 10:42:47PM -0500, Brenda J. Butler wrote: On Fri, Jan 06, 2012 at 10:28:34PM -0500, Shawn H Corey wrote: On 12-01-06 10:12 PM, Brenda J. Butler wrote: The email protocol does not include any way to check if the email has been read. People have used other tricks to tell if the email has been opened. One is the include a link and if the person clicks on it, the email has been read. Another is the include a picture and if that picture is downloaded, the picture has been read. Won't work. I have a filter on my email that checks to see if you're on my black list, and if so, sends it directly to trash and marks it read. I never see it. This marks it read feature is for you to know which emails you have read. It is not for the sender to know whether you have read their message. That is a separate feature, implemented differently. More explicitly: The emails I've read information is kept locally on your machine, about which emails that you've already received have been read by you. It is not part of the email exchange protocol at all. If my machine marks it as read and sends back a receipt saying so, the sender will think I have read it when in fact, I have not. There is no way to guarantee a person has read the mail. The only thing you can tell is that somewhere along the line a machine has marked it as read. The only way to guarantee that the mail has reached the recipient's machine is to search that machine for it. Email is *not* guaranteed. You cannot guarantee that a registered letter has been *read* by the intended recipient either. It is guaranteed to have been *received* by *someone who signed for it* at the destination though. For a machine, that isn't saying much. Shawn slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] anyone local do really fine soldering?
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 04:40:31AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: just got my new pandaboard ES: http://pandaboard.org/content/resources/references and as you can see, there are a number of expansion options on the board screaming for connectors to be attached. i don't have that kind of equipment or skill -- anyone around here capable of doing that? I'm able to do this with inexpensive soldering equipment, augmenting my 35 year-old skills and practice with extra flux and a good magnifier. Here is an excellent tutorial that gave me the information and confidence to start doing it myself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NN7UGWYmBY rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] anyone local do really fine soldering?
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:00:08AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011, Allan Fields wrote: I agree with Robert. I might add: I think the point is that you should not _have to_ wip out a soldering iron, in this day and age. Aside from the classical appeal of soldering and prototyping your own.. You should be able to find someone in the community to do at least part of the hardware engineering for you, or any type of specific service. There are lots of computer engineers (h/w geeks) waiting to do such, with-out wasting the time of those who frankly might want to remain doing software / system-level work rather than futzing with a soldering iron and magnifier. Robert might be able to go the west-end and find someone in less than a day. This is the era of modular design: Plug-able modules in a computer system management paradigm is the norm now. If it's not the designers goal to tweak hardware; then they can simply hire-out. Everyone in Ottawa seems hell-bent on getting their hardware on. That's not the way to run a multi-sectoral high-tech empire. I should be able to find a dude to prototype an interface between two modules, in short-order, as there are plenty who have already toiled and learned the hard way themselves, now they are pre-forked for duty and quite able. Why make yet another embedded company out of some-one who might have made good time on existing modular board/designs. They'll likely end-up spending more time with the h/w interfacing then, and loose track of the original point, as they end-up in tweaker heaven. two observations. first, exactly what allan said, and on that note, it occurs to me that this is one of the *drawbacks* of community. it's terrific that a number of people were happy to advise me on how easy it is to learn how to do this myself. all i need, apparently, is a really good soldering iron, time, a bunch of practise boards and so on. which is fine, but at the moment, i've got a number of clients interested in linux training, so taking time off to learn how to solder is definitely not cost-effective for me. hence, my looking around for someone to do it for me. and i'm not asking anyone to do it for free (sorry if i gave that impression). it's worth it for me to *pay* someone else to do it as i have more than enough stuff that will generate billable hours for me that i don't want to invest time with a soldering iron. and perhaps, that's one of the drawbacks of community -- sometimes, people are so eager to teach you how to do something that the fact that i'm willing to *pay* someone to do it goes unrecognized. it may be that this mailing list is not the right place for something like that, i don't know. but i have on occasion posted, looking for assistance, and offering to pay someone for it. instead, numerous people jump in, offering to *explain* to me how to do it. it seems that very few people here are willing to see an actual business opportunity when i offer it up. in addition, it may be that this it not a one-off job. even as shipped, the pandaboard is more than adequate for teaching embedded linux. but with those extra connectors, that opens up a *world* of additional possible courses involving video. i've negotiated a bulk rate for buying pandaboards from the manufacturer, and i'm looking at bundling a board with each student kit, so i could be buying *dozens* of these things and might want each one extended as i described. i don't want to do it myself. and if there's someone out there who is good at this sort of thing (makes a living at it?), then we should talk. this is a business opportunity for someone who's looking for one. Then post to linux-consult and be more explicit about wanting to pay someone for it. I'd say you were barking up the wrong tree, or not being adequately explicit in what you seek. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] dumb question. how to I tell a USB1 from a USB 2 port.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 08:32:37PM -0400, Charles MacDonald wrote: On 11-09-12 11:11 PM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: Plug your device in and do something like lsusb or lshw to figure out into which bus your device was plugged. Ok, that shows me the four regular ports and the one 2.0 post, each on its own USB bus. When I plug a device in it appears on one of the 5 buses. Now I have to get move the computer to get at the ports on the back, as the two on the front both seem to be on regular ports! at least the mouse, which is the only thing plugged into USB back there is on a regualr port. (my keyboard and printer both are legacy devices on a PS2 port with an adaptor to fit my Nothgate Keyboard, and a centronics port respectivly THANKS RGB, I really appreciate the assistance you have provided me. Very glad I could be of assistance! This is exactly what this list is for! :) Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Linux in the Wild
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 04:36:23PM -0700, Rob Echlin wrote: Hi guys, The posting we created for Linux in the Wild (LITW) says it's a potluck. I am going to cook some potatoes and make some potato salad. Are you coming? I would like some idea of a head count. I only bought enough pop for 24 people, two cans each. That was quite fun. Thank you those who showed up! Here are my photos from that frolic: http://tricolour.net/photos//2011/07/17/oclug.html Rob slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] SECURITY ALERT: Phishing Attack (Fwd: Email Security Upgrade)
On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 08:16:51AM -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: Hi, If you get an email like this one, don't respond. It's a phishing attack. Even if I am my own system administrator?!? Even if I don't even have an account with said institution?!? Even if I've already received thousands of such emails already?!? Original Message Subject: Email Security Upgrade Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 01:49:48 -0700 From: Gmail verifiesen...@gmail.com Dear Valued Member, We have received several complaints from users unable to gain access to their email account, as a result of that, we are upgrading our security systems and making sure each user account is not accessed unauthorised. We are sending this general message to all users to confirm their details for verification purpose: *Full Name: *Username: *Password: *Registered Year: *Country: We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused but we are glad to let you know that your account security is our ultimate goal. Thank you for using our email service! -- Just my 0.0002 million dollars worth, Shawn Confusion is the first step of understanding. Programming is as much about organization and communication as it is about coding. The secret to great software: Fail early often. Eliminate software piracy: use only FLOSS. ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] SECURITY ALERT: Phishing Attack (Fwd: Email Security Upgrade)
On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 12:04:19PM -0400, Brenda J. Butler wrote: Yes, I'm trying to determine if a notice I got from GOC (paper, via postal mail) is valid ... it looks real, but the person and phone number are not in GEDS (Government Electronic Directory Service). Gut feel is that it's real, but how on earth can I verify without using the phone numbers on the letter? ... I've asked my MP but no answer yet. I might need to call back and ask again. I don't think I'd go through my MP, but that's one route. I'd try to contact via the published contact information for that GOC ministry/department in the blue pages. Problem is frequently that said institutions are training people to ignore this type of careful checking by employing non-standard domains and contractors. There are similar problems with door-to-door salesfolks for third-party energy resellers who ask to see your energy bill to get account information. I've also recently gotten a number of automated phone calls from credit card debt consolidators that sound official without actually naming your credit card, then ask you for those details. Whenever I ask on behalf of whom are they calling, they hang up immediately. It is everywhere. bjb On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 09:19:59AM -0400, Raj wrote: I don't think there's any harm in repeating these warnings. If the phishing emails didn't work, they wouldn't be there in the first place - there are people still falling for them. And don't forget that spear phishing can get quite sophisticated. --Raj. On 11-07-08 09:12 AM, Singer X.J. Wang wrote: I'll chime in here and agree with Richard here. Should we start warning about every security risk? - Do not shout out your DEBIT CARD NUMBER and PIN for your debit card. - Do not write down the DEBIT CARD NUMBER and PIN of your debit card on a piece of paper and mail it to Richard Briggs - Do not write down the DEBIT CARD NUMBER and PIN of your debit card on a piece of paper and mail it to me - Do not write down the DEBIT CARD NUMBER and PIN of your debit card on a piece of paper and mail it to Stephen Harper - Do not write down the DEBIT CARD NUMBER and PIN of your debit card on a piece of paper and mail it to Jay Leno - Do not write down the DEBIT CARD NUMBER and PIN of your debit card on a piece of paper and mail it to Madonna These phishing emails are so normal now and everyone (specially those on the list) knows about it that there's no need to email it again. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 08:58, Shawn H Corey shawnhco...@gmail.com wrote: On 11-07-08 08:36 AM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: Even if I am my own system administrator?!? Even if I don't even have an account with said institution?!? Even if I've already received thousands of such emails already?!? sarcasmI'm sorry I ruined your day by post an alert about email phishing. After all, since you know everything there is to know about security, why would anyone else on this list be interested in it?/sarcasm Such rudeness is not appreciated. Please refrain for doing so in the future. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] a sign of the apocalypse
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 03:02:04PM -0400, The Linux Doctor wrote: On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 01:11 +, Bart Trojanowski wrote: On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 00:34, Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca wrote: Anyway, that's not where I was going, and not at all what I said. What I am saying is that Microsoft is not writing apps for Linux. running on Android cannot be taken as running on Linux. I disagree. If it is running on Android/Linux, then it is running on Linux. If it were running on, say, Android/Windows CE, then that would be a different story. Android apps run on Dalvik not on Linux ABI. Dalvik is a Linux app. Bing is not a Linux app. Bing is a Dalvik app. Dalvik is a Linux app. Therefore, Bing is a Linux app. Simple syllogism. So how about: Bing is a Dalvik app. Dalvik is a Linux app. Linux is a VMware app. VMware is a DOS app. --fja- slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] what are the five myths about open source?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 09:01:07PM -0400, Mike Kenzie wrote: On Tuesday 28 June 2011 08:25:06 Robert P. J. Day wrote: a colleague wants to write an article along the lines of the most pernicious myths about open source software. so, in your opinion, what would those be? let's stick to the top five, along with their brutal and savage debunking. thanks. One of the myths is that you can't get support for Open Source Any one who has had to call a help desk knows that you can't get support for paid software unless you're a big client. With open source you can actually contact the author. ...or pay a consultant to figure it out from published sources. This is why many governments are starting to see the value in open file formats, if not open source software, so they won't be held hostage by proprietary vendors. Collector of vintage computers http://www.ncf.ca/~ba600 slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Slow DSL
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:05:00AM -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: Hi, I'm having problems with my DSL. Currently it's running below 20 KB/s and it's suppose to max out at 300 KB/s. This started about a month ago sometime around when I updated my kernel. Before that it averaged from 250 KB/s to 270 KB/s. Since I haven't change my setup, I was wondering if the problem was on my machine or it's Bell's. Does anyone know of anything in the kernel that might cause this? Have you isolated it by trying another machine with speedtest.com to be certain it isn't your dsl? I had an issue with my DSL that turned out to be a known problem at Bell affecting multiple customers that had a 3-month schedule delay to fix. It was fixed about a month or two after the UBB crap hit the fan. I initially thought it was spurious DNS and ICMP traffic that was gobbling my upload bandwidth, but turned out to be further into Bell's network. I was getting 40 KB/s when I should have been getting 800 KB/s. At peak times and load, I was getting 23 second pings. Techie goodies: $ uname -a Linux Ix 2.6.35-28-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 18 18:42:20 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux Shawn slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] what is the uname variation that shows a 32-bit install on 64-bit system?
On Fri, May 06, 2011 at 02:20:55PM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: every so often, this question comes up -- is there an option with uname (or perhaps some other command or file) that identifies that a 32-bit version of some linux distro has been installed on a 64-bit system? Not quite what you intended, but how about: file $(which uname) ;-) rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Linux Digest, Vol 76, Issue 19
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 01:00:22PM -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: On 11-04-28 12:52 PM, Charles Nadeau wrote: I had a problem very similar to yours and it was caused by an MTU mismatch between the modem and the router. My modem and routing is all in one so I don't think that's the problem. I noticed that when the wind picked up, the my connection went intermittent, that is, it started cutting out in periods of seconds to minutes. Guess it's time to get Bell a call. :( I did have a problem a year ago where the phone was working intermittently, but DSL was fine. I have my DSL on a dry loop, so it is seperate from the phone line. It turned out to be a problem outside where Bell connected the feed to my demarcation point, so it was their problem to fix. Shawn slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Linux Digest, Vol 76, Issue 19
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 01:25:42PM -0400, Brett Delmage wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: I did have a problem a year ago where the phone was working intermittently, but DSL was fine. I have my DSL on a dry loop, so it is seperate from the phone line. It turned out to be a problem outside where Bell connected the feed to my demarcation point, so it was their problem to fix. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 01:00:22PM -0400, Shawn H Corey wrote: I noticed that when the wind picked up, the my connection went intermittent, that is, it started cutting out in periods of seconds to minutes. Guess it's time to get Bell a call. :( Good luck. We should all hope to have dry loops :-) Heh, well, that was the gist of my problem. The connection was at ground level in poorly wrapped connections, so it was in fact so wet that it was shorting to ground. Bhell had some crappy exterior wiring here in the Civic Hospital area. Every time it rained, the phone line started to short out. Often, DSL continued to work in a degraded manner when the POTS quit, but even the DSL would eventually quit too after getting slower and slower as the higher frequency channels dropped out. Service came back slowly as the wet wiring dried, sometimes days later. Fortunately, my DSL never completely quit, but I would not have noticed the line speed degradation due to the other Bell underspecified switch in one of their routing centres... (The shorting process somehow caused 911 to be dialed sometimes. Worse case was when the cops showed up at my front door at 2 AM on a night I was sleeping, thinking they had a serious call.) It took Bhell 1.5 YEARS to finally find and fix the degraded exterior wiring. It was a few blocks from my house. Ouch. Dont't talk to me about Rogers' wiring, both exterior and interior... And it is now again the rainy season... ...and for the first time, April 11th, we had water in the basement because of that early morning intense electrical storm (through which I slept, surprisingly). Brett slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] the big move -- made it here in one piece
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 09:59:19AM -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 15/04/11 Stephen Gregory said: Pccyber and Canada Computers. One or both should have a shop within walking distance. I also like RB Computing, but they are out in Bells Corners in the west end. I like Trailing Edge computers too, for refurbs. They're in Bells Corners. I've had good experience with these guys too. Mike slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Waterloo ISP
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:33:51AM -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Fri, 15 Apr 2011, Glenn Henshaw wrote: This may be slightly off topic, but I think that there are some recent transplants on the list. I'm moving to Waterloo and am looking for a reliable ISP. I really don't want anything bundled because my plan is to go cellular only and my satellite TV is still on contract. Any recommendations for dry DSL or cable providers? check out teksavvy, quite a few people were recommending it. i don't know anything about it beyond third-party reports. I have a dry loop with teksavvy and have not had any issue with them. rday slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Scanner software
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 09:45:14AM -0400, Eric Brackenbury wrote: http://www.hamrick.com/ VueScan 9 x64 was built with Ubuntu 10.10 And supports more than 1600 scanners I've been using this software since 1998 or so. Very responsive developer. I was quite happy with the software. I haven't used it since about 2004 only because my scanner was out on loan and I've changed machines a couple of times and just haven't re-installed. This software comes highly recommended by: http://www.ericneilsenphotography.com/WorkflowIssues.html This guy is a trusted source for such issues. I hope this helps someone in the local community :-)) Eric Brackenbury slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] Notes for March OCLUG talk on Shell Programming
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 02:52:00PM -0500, Roland Renaud wrote: I've updated the presentation notes for the March OCLUG talk on Shell Programming with the questions and added some references. They're accessible from this page: http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/MeetingPresentations2011 Prepared on short notice, it was intended to be a new to Linux level talk but is possibly missing some details that would allow a beginner try the suggestions presented. Excellent stuff, with added questions from the audience, thanks! I've linked it to my oclug meeting photo page. Feel free to ask any questions. roland slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] [oclug-board] C4C notes
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 01:23:07PM -0600, Lisa L wrote: Kind thanks to you Rob, and Jean-François Messier as well, for sending your helpful notes and great ideas from our discussion last meeting. For those not present, discussion revolved around how to attract and keep new members. Many valuable insights were shared, by newcomers and folks who have been with us since our humble beginnings, about stepping up our outreach to users of other operating systems, increasing our coverage of beginner-friendly topics, and providing opportunities for them to consult us with problems in person. Thank you all for your constructive input. Does anyone else have notes/ideas they would like to contribute? Please share. These will be a topic of discussion at the next board meeting (Jan 17). A quick chat outside the the beer sig last week and we talked about the possibility of running a Linux for kids event or workshop at a time when kids could actually participate. I'd like to see something like the recent Maker Faire, with a fun variety of open-source related displays for kids. This could be games, beginner programming languages, robotics, drawing/arts, music, web site devel., photography, etc... I'll be forwarding Jean-François' message shortly. I wrote some long and messy notes, which I will clean up and send along as well. Cheers, Lisa On 9 January 2011 07:57, Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca wrote: Hi I have the following notes from the meeting and beer sig. Lisa and others may have more. 1) Proposed that OCLUG create a Linux install Cd for use at the Ottawa Public Libraries, to be distributed by C4C. - Suggested that Mint Linux might be better because it is a small install - Suggested that it be one that provides easy Dialup internet access - Eric had a bad experience with this recently - was that Ubuntu? - The firefox install on the CD should be modified to provide links to: - Public Library - City of Ottawa - C4C - OCLUG? - Background of the installer should be changed to promote Ottawa, possibly C4C and library again Interested people: - Rob Echlin - Jean-Francois Messier - Lisa - Eric - Dave Sampson 2) Topics for meetings - I think Lisa has these - basically, intro level topics in a number of areas - Kids computing presentation - Possibly split our space and have a second room for the last half of the evening - hands-on workshops as part of our session 3) C4C is looking for hardware modems - in quantity to serve the thousands of people who can't afford hi-speed 4) I think there was another topic... Rob slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] - List email burst
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:55:20PM -0500, J-F Bilodeau wrote: Speaking of traffic, am I the only one that received over two dozen emails from the list all at once yesterday? They all arrived between 17:50 and 23:10. Some are dated from September 2009. I'm wondering if they weren't stuck in a queue or something. Yup, I got the same replay attack... J-F slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\hpv.tricolour.net www.TriColour.net-- \___ o \@ @ Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo___M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- greenparty.ca_GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
