Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more emphasis on online tutorials as opposed to meetings?
Hi Greg, I agree that if I know what people are doing, it is way easier to ask them to present on it. However, I don't see how any particular convener, such as myself, can find out what even 10% of the (?how may? 500? more?) people on the OCLUG mail list are doing. Many of them (more than 1/3 is my guess) would come to a meeting to present if asked, especially for a lightning talk. If you have suggestions in this area, I am very interested. For instance, if you are hooked up with even 10 people, I would be interested in what technology they are working with. For all the other people on this list who are looking at this and feel creeped out that I am proposing spying on people: - you too can let me know what your buddies are doing! - Just don't tell me who is doing it, OK? - let me know the list of topics you have - you can check with them in advance of telling me Thanks, Rob From: Greg sp...@sympatico.ca To: Ottawa Linux Users Group linux@lists.oclug.on.ca Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 3:45:31 PM Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more emphasis on online tutorials as opposed to meetings? All this would suggest that the convenor, instead of asking for random volunteers, should be aware of what people are doing and/or documenting, and ask directly individuals to speak and to discuss. It would work around the perception common of many doers that nobody else would be interested in what they do. Also the process would be come more friendly to people who can only suggest topics for other people to present. Finally, informal clouds of people who do things and people who read things and people who participate in other ways could submit suggestions feeling they are submitting suggestions not impositions. Greg Rob Echlin wrote: From: Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca To: Richard Guy Briggs r...@tricolour.net Cc: Ottawa Linux Users Group linux@lists.oclug.on.ca Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:08:38 AM Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more emphasis on online tutorials as opposed to meetings? On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 02:22:48PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: for instance, after rob e. mentioned the raspberry pi, i offered to demo how easy it is to build a bootable image for one using openembedded and the publicly-available meta-raspberrypi layer. but it so happens i've already written that up and it's available at my wiki (might need a bit of updating but should still work): http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Building_basic_RPi_image so there's not much point using meeting time to explain something that anyone can read at their leisure at my web site. You may not see much point, but different people learn in different ways and different people get different things out of in-person meetings. just to be clear, i wasn't suggesting there was no need for meetings; i was suggesting that, after pondering, i didn't see much value in my presenting a lightning talk about using openembedded for building an image for a raspberry pi since i'd already described the process in detail on a web page. the point i'm suggesting is that, if someone proposes an interesting topic, one need not always wait for a meeting to cover it. if someone knows of a good web page, or wants to write one, on that topic, that might be the solution. rday Hi Rob Day, I agree with Richard. There are many reasons why people go to a presentation by you at OCLUG, either instead of or as well as reading the process on your web site. - better fits their learning style - ask you related questions or followup questions, while you have the computer handy - meet other people with similar interests - go to see if its worth while asking the boss to hire you to do some training - they set aside time for the meeting, but haven't set aside separate time for learning about that subject - they want to debate the value of changing some element in the process, or using a completely different process The point is, if someone proposes an interesting topic, any individual who needs it for work, now, can go to the web and find related info before the meeitng. The interesting topic is still interesting as a presentation at the meeting. Cheers! Rob Echlin ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more emphasis on online tutorials as opposed to meetings?
From: Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca To: Richard Guy Briggs r...@tricolour.net Cc: Ottawa Linux Users Group linux@lists.oclug.on.ca Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:08:38 AM Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more emphasis on online tutorials as opposed to meetings? On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 02:22:48PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: for instance, after rob e. mentioned the raspberry pi, i offered to demo how easy it is to build a bootable image for one using openembedded and the publicly-available meta-raspberrypi layer. but it so happens i've already written that up and it's available at my wiki (might need a bit of updating but should still work): http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Building_basic_RPi_image so there's not much point using meeting time to explain something that anyone can read at their leisure at my web site. You may not see much point, but different people learn in different ways and different people get different things out of in-person meetings. just to be clear, i wasn't suggesting there was no need for meetings; i was suggesting that, after pondering, i didn't see much value in my presenting a lightning talk about using openembedded for building an image for a raspberry pi since i'd already described the process in detail on a web page. the point i'm suggesting is that, if someone proposes an interesting topic, one need not always wait for a meeting to cover it. if someone knows of a good web page, or wants to write one, on that topic, that might be the solution. rday Hi Rob Day, I agree with Richard. There are many reasons why people go to a presentation by you at OCLUG, either instead of or as well as reading the process on your web site. - better fits their learning style - ask you related questions or followup questions, while you have the computer handy - meet other people with similar interests - go to see if its worth while asking the boss to hire you to do some training - they set aside time for the meeting, but haven't set aside separate time for learning about that subject - they want to debate the value of changing some element in the process, or using a completely different process The point is, if someone proposes an interesting topic, any individual who needs it for work, now, can go to the web and find related info before the meeitng. The interesting topic is still interesting as a presentation at the meeting. Cheers! Rob Echlin ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more emphasis on online tutorials as opposed to meetings?
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Rob Echlin wrote: ... snip ... Hi Rob Day, I agree with Richard. There are many reasons why people go to a presentation by you at OCLUG, either instead of or as well as reading the process on your web site. - better fits their learning style - ask you related questions or followup questions, while you have the computer handy - meet other people with similar interests - go to see if its worth while asking the boss to hire you to do some training - they set aside time for the meeting, but haven't set aside separate time for learning about that subject - they want to debate the value of changing some element in the process, or using a completely different process The point is, if someone proposes an interesting topic, any individual who needs it for work, now, can go to the web and find related info before the meeitng. The interesting topic is still interesting as a presentation at the meeting. i actually agree with all of the above. if there's going to be a raspberry pi component to the next meeting, i'd be happy to show how to build a bootable image for it using openembedded if people want to see it. takes only a few minutes and that's what i did for a talk i gave last week -- built, from scratch, a bootable SD card image for an RPi with no access to the hardware. i simply followed the instructions, created the SD card image, copied it to SD card and handed that to person with RPI at home. he emailed me that evening, thrilled that it booted the first time. so given, say, 20 minutes, i can show how that was done at next meeting unless it's already booked. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more emphasis on online tutorials as opposed to meetings?
All this would suggest that the convenor, instead of asking for random volunteers, should be aware of what people are doing and/or documenting, and ask directly individuals to speak and to discuss. It would work around the perception common of many doers that nobody else would be interested in what they do. Also the process would be come more friendly to people who can only suggest topics for other people to present. Finally, informal clouds of people who do things and people who read things and people who participate in other ways could submit suggestions feeling they are submitting suggestions not impositions. Greg Rob Echlin wrote: From: Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca To: Richard Guy Briggs r...@tricolour.net Cc: Ottawa Linux Users Group linux@lists.oclug.on.ca Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 9:08:38 AM Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more emphasis on online tutorials as opposed to meetings? On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 02:22:48PM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: for instance, after rob e. mentioned the raspberry pi, i offered to demo how easy it is to build a bootable image for one using openembedded and the publicly-available meta-raspberrypi layer. but it so happens i've already written that up and it's available at my wiki (might need a bit of updating but should still work): http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Building_basic_RPi_image so there's not much point using meeting time to explain something that anyone can read at their leisure at my web site. You may not see much point, but different people learn in different ways and different people get different things out of in-person meetings. just to be clear, i wasn't suggesting there was no need for meetings; i was suggesting that, after pondering, i didn't see much value in my presenting a lightning talk about using openembedded for building an image for a raspberry pi since i'd already described the process in detail on a web page. the point i'm suggesting is that, if someone proposes an interesting topic, one need not always wait for a meeting to cover it. if someone knows of a good web page, or wants to write one, on that topic, that might be the solution. rday Hi Rob Day, I agree with Richard. There are many reasons why people go to a presentation by you at OCLUG, either instead of or as well as reading the process on your web site. - better fits their learning style - ask you related questions or followup questions, while you have the computer handy - meet other people with similar interests - go to see if its worth while asking the boss to hire you to do some training - they set aside time for the meeting, but haven't set aside separate time for learning about that subject - they want to debate the value of changing some element in the process, or using a completely different process The point is, if someone proposes an interesting topic, any individual who needs it for work, now, can go to the web and find related info before the meeitng. The interesting topic is still interesting as a presentation at the meeting. Cheers! Rob Echlin ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
Re: [OCLUG-Tech] more emphasis on online tutorials as opposed to meetings?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: [in part] http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Building_basic_RPi_image so there's not much point using meeting time to explain something that anyone can read at their leisure at my web site. But surely Jean-Francois is not the only one who does not quite grok the meaning of your website.. he may be the only one brave enough to ask for help. the point i'm suggesting is that, if someone proposes an interesting topic, one need not always wait for a meeting to cover it. if someone knows of a good web page, or wants to write one, on that topic, that might be the solution. Even better, post links, post the text/outline of the talk, before the meeting so that some people come with informed questions. rday Greg ___ Linux mailing list Linux@lists.oclug.on.ca http://oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/linux
