Re: Problem adding a zfcp disk

2015-07-01 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:

 Did you select the Add function and get luns ?


Yeah, nothing shows up. But I don't recall that has ever worked either
on our setup.

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Re: Problem adding a zfcp disk

2015-07-01 Thread Offer Baruch
Did you happen to add the lun before it was available via zoning and
masking?
If so, you have to first remove it and add it again...
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 On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:

  Did you select the Add function and get luns ?
 

 Yeah, nothing shows up. But I don't recall that has ever worked either
 on our setup.

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Re: Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

2015-07-01 Thread Berthold Gunreben
On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 02:18:45 +
Morris, Kevin J. (RET-DAY) kevin.mor...@reedelsevier.com wrote:

 Given our static environment, can anyone provide any glaringly
 obvious caveats/downfalls to migrating from zVM to standalone zLinux
 LPARs that we might be missing?

This is not that easy to answer. Things that I would consider are:
- what disk type do you use (minidisks and EDEV might be interesting to
  migrate, new installations are of course always possible)
- what bonding mode do you want to use on linux? With z/VM on z13 you
  will be able to use LACP shared over different z/VM systems. On Linux
  LPAR, if you want to use LACP, the ports must be reserved for the
  LPAR.
- are your DR and backup procedures relying on z/VM?
- Do you use OSA with multiple ports, and do you have requirements that
  a system should not see the other port of the same adapter? On z/VM,
  this can be done, on LPAR it will probably be difficult. 

I don't know the details about cost etc. but I personally would keep at
least one z/VM system to be more flexible with upcoming demands.

Berthold

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Re: Where should we have been watching to find out about the leap second problem?

2015-07-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/01/2015 at 09:57 EDT, Ron Foster
ron.fos...@baldor.abb.com wrote:
 Everyone,

 Where should we have been watching so the we would not let the leap
second
 problem sneak up on us?

If you read the article I posted a couple of days ago (and posted about
here and in IBMVM), it has the information on how you find out when leap
seconds will be added.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
Lab Services System z Delivery Practice
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Re: Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

2015-07-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/01/2015 at 07:56 EDT, Morris, Kevin J. (RET-DAY)
kevin.mor...@reedelsevier.com wrote:
 I know that we will lose the capability to overcommit/share memory
between
 zLinux systems, but the application running in this environment is very
 response-time critical/sensitive so we actually dedicated memory
resources to
 our production zLinux systems anyways.  Additionally, after retiring the
~12
 servers, we now have a memory excess on all of our zVM LPARs.
 VSWITCH is nice with its automatic failover, etc; however, we have
tested the
 linux bonding driver and feel it is an adequate replacement.  We are
not a
 zVM SSI user.

The VSWITCH also provides the security controls to keep a guest from VLAN
hopping.  (Assume Linux has been hacked.)  As long as you have
compensating controls, removing the VSWITCH shouldn't pose any obstacle.

 Given our static environment, can anyone provide any glaringly obvious
 caveats/downfalls to migrating from zVM to standalone zLinux LPARs that
we
 might be missing?

As long as you remove all z/VM dependencies from the guests (mindisks,
VDISKS, DIAG250 driver, EDEVs, DR, etc.) before you migrate them to their
own LPARs, then you should be fine.  For example, minidisks allowed the
virtual machines to share an I/O configuration.  Your IOCDS will need to
be changed to create limited I/O configurations for each LPAR.

Speaking of IOCDS, how do you plan to manage it?  Standalone IOCP?  Or is
z/OS on these boxes, too?

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
Lab Services System z Delivery Practice
IBM Systems  Technology Group
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
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Re: Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

2015-07-01 Thread Dave Jones
Hello, Kevin.

That's an interesting direction for your company to take. Can you
elaborate a bit on what drove the decision to not exploit virtualization?

As far as the move from z/VM to bare metal LPARs, I don't see any
potential problems, as long as the LPARs are defined with enough
physical resources to support the zLinux workloads.

Good luck.
DJ

On 06/30/2015 09:18 PM, Morris, Kevin J. (RET-DAY) wrote:
 We currently have 22 zLinux guests (all running RHEL 6.4) on 7 zVM
 (v6.2) LPARs spread across 6 CECs (29 IFLs in total) all to support
 numerous environments for a single application. Here is our current
 zVM LPAR / zLinux guest configuration: 1. Sandbox zVM LPAR - 3 zLinux
 systems only for Systems Programming use/testing. 2. Test/Dev zVM
 LPAR - 2 zLinux systems for application development and testing. 3.
 Prod#1 zVM LPAR - 5 zLinux systems for cert/prod 4. Prod#2 zVM LPAR -
 4 zLinux systems for cert/prod 5. Prod#3 zVM LPAR - 1 zLinux system
 for prod 6. Prod#4 zVM LPAR - 1 zLinux system for prod 7. DR zVM LPAR
 - 6 zLinux systems for prod DR.

 At one point we had an additional ~12 zLinux systems throughout these
 zVM LPARs, but they have since been retired.

 As a sizeable software cost-savings effort (zVM, RACF, Perfkit,
 Operations Manager), we are planning to migrate these 22 zLinux
 systems into standalone LPARs and eliminate zVM altogether.

 I know that we will lose the capability to overcommit/share memory
 between zLinux systems, but the application running in this
 environment is very response-time critical/sensitive so we actually
 dedicated memory resources to our production zLinux systems anyways.
 Additionally, after retiring the ~12 servers, we now have a memory
 excess on all of our zVM LPARs. VSWITCH is nice with its automatic
 failover, etc; however, we have tested the linux bonding driver and
 feel it is an adequate replacement.  We are not a zVM SSI user.

 Also, let me state that the business has no future plans to
 grow/expand the zVM/zLinux environment (including as a virtualization
 platform for traditional x86 workloads).

 Given our static environment, can anyone provide any glaringly
 obvious caveats/downfalls to migrating from zVM to standalone zLinux
 LPARs that we might be missing?

 Thanks!

 Kevin Morris Reed Elsevier - Technology Services zOS Systems
 Engineering


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Where should we have been watching to find out about the leap second problem?

2015-07-01 Thread Ron Foster
Everyone,


Where should we have been watching so the we would not let the leap second

problem sneak up on us?


Ron Foster

Baldor Electric Company

5711 R S Boreham Jr Street

Fort Smith, AR 72901

Phone:479-648-5865

Fax:479-646-5440

Email: ron.fos...@baldor.abb.commailto:ron.fos...@baldor.abb.com

IM Address:ron.fos...@baldor.abb.com

www.baldor.comhttp://www.baldor.com/



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Re: Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

2015-07-01 Thread Mike Wawiorko
Just one tongue in cheek comment.

Given our static environment...

Has anyone ever known a static environment that has remained static?


Mike Wawiorko
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Morris, 
Kevin J. (RET-DAY)
Sent: 01 July 2015 03:19
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

We currently have 22 zLinux guests (all running RHEL 6.4) on 7 zVM (v6.2) LPARs 
spread across 6 CECs (29 IFLs in total) all to support numerous environments 
for a single application.
Here is our current zVM LPAR / zLinux guest configuration:
1. Sandbox zVM LPAR - 3 zLinux systems only for Systems Programming use/testing.
2. Test/Dev zVM LPAR - 2 zLinux systems for application development and testing.
3. Prod#1 zVM LPAR - 5 zLinux systems for cert/prod 4. Prod#2 zVM LPAR - 4 
zLinux systems for cert/prod 5. Prod#3 zVM LPAR - 1 zLinux system for prod 6. 
Prod#4 zVM LPAR - 1 zLinux system for prod 7. DR zVM LPAR - 6 zLinux systems 
for prod DR.

At one point we had an additional ~12 zLinux systems throughout these zVM 
LPARs, but they have since been retired.

As a sizeable software cost-savings effort (zVM, RACF, Perfkit, Operations 
Manager), we are planning to migrate these 22 zLinux systems into standalone 
LPARs and eliminate zVM altogether.

I know that we will lose the capability to overcommit/share memory between 
zLinux systems, but the application running in this environment is very 
response-time critical/sensitive so we actually dedicated memory resources to 
our production zLinux systems anyways.  Additionally, after retiring the ~12 
servers, we now have a memory excess on all of our zVM LPARs.
VSWITCH is nice with its automatic failover, etc; however, we have tested the 
linux bonding driver and feel it is an adequate replacement.  We are not a 
zVM SSI user.

Also, let me state that the business has no future plans to grow/expand the 
zVM/zLinux environment (including as a virtualization platform for traditional 
x86 workloads).

Given our static environment, can anyone provide any glaringly obvious 
caveats/downfalls to migrating from zVM to standalone zLinux LPARs that we 
might be missing?

Thanks!

Kevin Morris
Reed Elsevier - Technology Services
zOS Systems Engineering


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Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

2015-07-01 Thread Morris, Kevin J. (RET-DAY)
We currently have 22 zLinux guests (all running RHEL 6.4) on 7 zVM (v6.2) LPARs 
spread across 6 CECs (29 IFLs in total) all to support numerous environments 
for a single application.
Here is our current zVM LPAR / zLinux guest configuration:
1. Sandbox zVM LPAR - 3 zLinux systems only for Systems Programming use/testing.
2. Test/Dev zVM LPAR - 2 zLinux systems for application development and testing.
3. Prod#1 zVM LPAR - 5 zLinux systems for cert/prod
4. Prod#2 zVM LPAR - 4 zLinux systems for cert/prod
5. Prod#3 zVM LPAR - 1 zLinux system for prod
6. Prod#4 zVM LPAR - 1 zLinux system for prod
7. DR zVM LPAR - 6 zLinux systems for prod DR.

At one point we had an additional ~12 zLinux systems throughout these zVM 
LPARs, but they have since been retired.

As a sizeable software cost-savings effort (zVM, RACF, Perfkit, Operations 
Manager), we are planning to migrate these 22 zLinux systems into standalone 
LPARs and eliminate zVM altogether.

I know that we will lose the capability to overcommit/share memory between 
zLinux systems, but the application running in this environment is very 
response-time critical/sensitive so we actually dedicated memory resources to 
our production zLinux systems anyways.  Additionally, after retiring the ~12 
servers, we now have a memory excess on all of our zVM LPARs.
VSWITCH is nice with its automatic failover, etc; however, we have tested the 
linux bonding driver and feel it is an adequate replacement.  We are not a 
zVM SSI user.

Also, let me state that the business has no future plans to grow/expand the 
zVM/zLinux environment (including as a virtualization platform for traditional 
x86 workloads).

Given our static environment, can anyone provide any glaringly obvious 
caveats/downfalls to migrating from zVM to standalone zLinux LPARs that we 
might be missing?

Thanks!

Kevin Morris
Reed Elsevier - Technology Services
zOS Systems Engineering


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Problem adding a zfcp disk

2015-07-01 Thread Christer Solskogen
Hi!

I have trouble adding a lun to a SuSE machine.
I've tried adding the disk with channel, wwpn and lun in YaST. No
error, but the lun does not show in the list Yast - Hardware - Zfcp.
But the lun does show here:
/sys/bus/ccw/drivers/zfcp/0.0.8030/0x5974082a4120/0x002f


But I don't get a linux device! There are many other lun's activated
there (same channel and wwpn) - which works perfectly. But /dev/sdm
(which this lun should be) does not show.
Any pointers?

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Re: Problem adding a zfcp disk

2015-07-01 Thread Mark Post
 On 7/1/2015 at 11:24 AM, Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com
wrote: 
 Hi!
 
 I have trouble adding a lun to a SuSE machine.
 I've tried adding the disk with channel, wwpn and lun in YaST. No
 error, but the lun does not show in the list Yast - Hardware - Zfcp.

Did you select the Add function and get luns ?


Mark Post

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Re: Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

2015-07-01 Thread Offer Baruch
As usually LPARs have a lot of devices connected to them you might want to
start using cio_ignore if you are not already using it.
Not using cio_ignore can really slow down linux startup when the LPAR has a
lot of devices connected to it.
On Jul 1, 2015 5:32 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote:

 On Wednesday, 07/01/2015 at 07:56 EDT, Morris, Kevin J. (RET-DAY)
 kevin.mor...@reedelsevier.com wrote:
  I know that we will lose the capability to overcommit/share memory
 between
  zLinux systems, but the application running in this environment is very
  response-time critical/sensitive so we actually dedicated memory
 resources to
  our production zLinux systems anyways.  Additionally, after retiring the
 ~12
  servers, we now have a memory excess on all of our zVM LPARs.
  VSWITCH is nice with its automatic failover, etc; however, we have
 tested the
  linux bonding driver and feel it is an adequate replacement.  We are
 not a
  zVM SSI user.

 The VSWITCH also provides the security controls to keep a guest from VLAN
 hopping.  (Assume Linux has been hacked.)  As long as you have
 compensating controls, removing the VSWITCH shouldn't pose any obstacle.

  Given our static environment, can anyone provide any glaringly obvious
  caveats/downfalls to migrating from zVM to standalone zLinux LPARs that
 we
  might be missing?

 As long as you remove all z/VM dependencies from the guests (mindisks,
 VDISKS, DIAG250 driver, EDEVs, DR, etc.) before you migrate them to their
 own LPARs, then you should be fine.  For example, minidisks allowed the
 virtual machines to share an I/O configuration.  Your IOCDS will need to
 be changed to create limited I/O configurations for each LPAR.

 Speaking of IOCDS, how do you plan to manage it?  Standalone IOCP?  Or is
 z/OS on these boxes, too?

 Alan Altmark

 Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
 Lab Services System z Delivery Practice
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 ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
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Re: Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

2015-07-01 Thread Stewart, Lee
Since you won't have VM to limit which and how many devices each of the Linuxes 
sees, you may want to consider isolating them from each other via the IOCP.  
Also keep in mind that all your addresses will probably change as you move from 
virtual addresses to real addresses.   And what the Linuxes have created for 
volsers is probably not unique, and if your DASD is shared with an MVS image, 
those duplicates will show up there...

Lee Stewart ● VM System Support ● Visa ● Phone:  6(750)4601 - +1-303-389-4601 ● 
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Kevin J. (RET-DAY)
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:19 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

We currently have 22 zLinux guests (all running RHEL 6.4) on 7 zVM (v6.2) LPARs 
spread across 6 CECs (29 IFLs in total) all to support numerous environments 
for a single application.
Here is our current zVM LPAR / zLinux guest configuration:
1. Sandbox zVM LPAR - 3 zLinux systems only for Systems Programming use/testing.
2. Test/Dev zVM LPAR - 2 zLinux systems for application development and testing.
3. Prod#1 zVM LPAR - 5 zLinux systems for cert/prod 4. Prod#2 zVM LPAR - 4 
zLinux systems for cert/prod 5. Prod#3 zVM LPAR - 1 zLinux system for prod 6. 
Prod#4 zVM LPAR - 1 zLinux system for prod 7. DR zVM LPAR - 6 zLinux systems 
for prod DR.

At one point we had an additional ~12 zLinux systems throughout these zVM 
LPARs, but they have since been retired.

As a sizeable software cost-savings effort (zVM, RACF, Perfkit, Operations 
Manager), we are planning to migrate these 22 zLinux systems into standalone 
LPARs and eliminate zVM altogether.

I know that we will lose the capability to overcommit/share memory between 
zLinux systems, but the application running in this environment is very 
response-time critical/sensitive so we actually dedicated memory resources to 
our production zLinux systems anyways.  Additionally, after retiring the ~12 
servers, we now have a memory excess on all of our zVM LPARs.
VSWITCH is nice with its automatic failover, etc; however, we have tested the 
linux bonding driver and feel it is an adequate replacement.  We are not a 
zVM SSI user.

Also, let me state that the business has no future plans to grow/expand the 
zVM/zLinux environment (including as a virtualization platform for traditional 
x86 workloads).

Given our static environment, can anyone provide any glaringly obvious 
caveats/downfalls to migrating from zVM to standalone zLinux LPARs that we 
might be missing?

Thanks!

Kevin Morris
Reed Elsevier - Technology Services
zOS Systems Engineering


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Re: Problem adding a zfcp disk

2015-07-01 Thread Mark Post
 On 7/1/2015 at 02:07 PM, Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com
wrote: 
 On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:
 
 Did you select the Add function and get luns ?

 
 Yeah, nothing shows up. But I don't recall that has ever worked either
 on our setup.

Then I would suggest trying this:
zfcp_disk_configure 0.0.8030 0x5974082a4120 0x002f


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Re: Problem adding a zfcp disk

2015-07-01 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Mark Post mp...@suse.com wrote:
 Then I would suggest trying this:
 zfcp_disk_configure 0.0.8030 0x5974082a4120 0x002f


Problem found. The LUN was activate on another server.
But thanks anyways :-)

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VM Workshop tools tape collection complete (1985-2015)

2015-07-01 Thread David Boyes
I finally got a few minutes to complete the VM Workshop tools tapes collection. 
All the still-readable VM Workshop tapes from 1985 to current are now online 
(note the gap from 1998 to 2012 - no VM Workshops were held from 1998 to 2011, 
and the 2011 VM Workshop at Ohio State did not produce a tape).

http://www.vmworkshop.org/tools

Browse and enjoy.

== db



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Re: VM Workshop tools tape collection complete (1985-2015)

2015-07-01 Thread Mike Riggs
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Re: Migrate zLinux off zVM into standalone LPARs?

2015-07-01 Thread Morris, Kevin J. (RET-DAY)
 Has anyone ever known a static environment that has remained static?

We have had zVM for 10 years, and in the last 8 years we have only retired 
zLinux systems.
Also, our largest zVM LPAR only has 6 zLinux guests with two zVM LPARs only 
having 1 zLinux guest -- almost no point in running zVM in those cases.

 - what disk type do you use (minidisks and EDEV might be interesting to
   migrate, new installations are of course always possible)

Under zVM we use full-volume ECKD minidisks for zLinux storage.  We will simply 
use full-volume ECKD for the LPARs as well.

 - what bonding mode do you want to use on linux? With z/VM on z13 you
   will be able to use LACP shared over different z/VM systems. On Linux
   LPAR, if you want to use LACP, the ports must be reserved for the
  LPAR.

We are planning to use bonding mode 0 (active-backup) with primary reselect.
Can you recommend a preferred mode for load balancing and failover?

 - are your DR and backup procedures relying on z/VM?

Nope. We use Netbackup and a nightly rsync for DR (both at the Linux level).

 - Do you use OSA with multiple ports, and do you have requirements that
   a system should not see the other port of the same adapter? On z/VM,
   this can be done, on LPAR it will probably be difficult.

Yes, we use OSA w/multiple ports but we do not have the visibility requirement.

 That's an interesting direction for your company to take. Can you
 elaborate a bit on what drove the decision to not exploit virtualization?

Yes, we realize that this direction is generally against the normal flow. 
However, the overall business direction is to migrate off of the mainframe 
entirely, and we are under constant pressure to reduce costs in the meantime.
Numerous years ago when the architects were looking at virtualization platforms 
for x86 workloads, the Z solution had a higher TCO, and several of our staple 
products did not have a s390 binary and refused to work with us or IBM to 
release one.

 As long as you remove all z/VM dependencies from the guests (mindisks,
 VDISKS, DIAG250 driver, EDEVs, DR, etc.) before you migrate them to their
 own LPARs, then you should be fine.  For example, minidisks allowed the
 virtual machines to share an I/O configuration.  Your IOCDS will need to
 be changed to create limited I/O configurations for each LPAR.

We set aside a pool of DASD/UCBs for the zVM environment and only gen that 
range to the zVM LPARs.  We will give that same pool to the zLinux LPARs and 
carefully manage access via cio_ignore and /etc/dasd.conf.

 Speaking of IOCDS, how do you plan to manage it?  Standalone IOCP?  Or is
 z/OS on these boxes, too?

Yes, we are primarily a zOS shop (so HCD).  Actually, the application that we 
run on zLinux is CPU-intense assembly code that we cross-assemble with 
Tachyon390 to run in zLinux.  We greatly reduced our zOS software costs by 
moving this CPU-expensive workload onto IFLs.

 As usually LPARs have a lot of devices connected to them you might want to
 start using cio_ignore if you are not already using it.
 Not using cio_ignore can really slow down linux startup when the LPAR has a
 lot of devices connected to it.

We have cio_ignore=all specified in zipl.conf. We add all system-specific 
non-root DASD devices and HyperPAV aliases to /etc/dasd.conf

We have already migrated our Sandbox, DR, and test zLinux systems into 
standalone LPARs.  So far we haven't seen any technical limitations or really 
any negatives to this setup.  Actually, our list of pros is much longer 
than the cons.
I appreciate everyone's responses so far.

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Re: Where should we have been watching to find out about the leap second problem?

2015-07-01 Thread Mark Post
 On 7/1/2015 at 09:56 AM, Ron Foster ron.fos...@baldor.abb.com wrote: 
 Everyone,
 
 
 Where should we have been watching so the we would not let the leap second
 
 problem sneak up on us?

One place would be the patch notifications we send out via email.  Go to 
https://www.novell.com/email/notification/ctrl and sign up.  Note that the 
window that comes up is scrollable.  I wouldn't recommend the - All SUSE 
Products - selection unless you really want that.  SUSE Linux Enterprise 
Server is further down.


Mark Post

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