OT: Sysadmin catches 419 scammer

2004-04-06 Thread John Ford
A hart-warming story...

http://www.linux.ie/pipermail/ilug/2004-April/013049.html
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Re: CMS REXX Wait

2004-02-27 Thread John Ford
On 2/27/2004 9:48 AM Adam Thornton wrote:
On Fri, 2004-02-27 at 02:02, Monteleone wrote:

Hello,

I would like to wait for a specified time in a rexx cms script, should I
have to write a program to do that, or is there a standard CP ou CMS
function to do that ?


WAKEUP has been standard since VM/ESA 2.4, I think.
WAKEUP, little SuSe, WAKEUP!

(Sorry, couldn't resist...)
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jcf


Re: Just stirring the pot

2004-02-20 Thread John Ford
On 2/19/2004 2:25 PM Adam Thornton wrote:
snip
There's no way in Rexx to get a list of all the key
names in the key/value pairs that make up a stem.  I find that a huge
problem in terms of conceptualizing problems the intuitive way for me.
I've resorted to using a second compound variable to keep track of the
of the first compound variable [warning: following code is off the top
of my head]...
 MainStem. = '00'x  /* default value for unused keys */
 TailStem. = ''
 TailStem.0 = 0
 x = 'Something to put in stem variable'
 y = 'key of Something'
/* to add/update a key-value pair */
 if MainStem.y = '00'x then do  /* add new key? */
i = TailStem.0 + 1
TailStem.i = y
TailStem.0 = i
end
 MainStem.y = x
/* extract key-value pairs */
 for i = 1 to TailStem.0
   y = TailStem.i
   say y '=' MainStem.y
 next i
I agree that access to tail values would be a dandy addition to the
language, either as a function or using some other syntax. I know some
folks have written assembler functions to extract compound symbol's tails.
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Re: dasdfmt with a 1K block size - VSAM tangent

2004-02-18 Thread John Ford
On 2/18/2004 1:03 PM Jim Sibley wrote:
snip
When os/370 came out, it introduced a fixed block file
system (VSAM) now standardized at 4K blocks, eerily
similar to the block size of a page in memory and the
page size on disk. Also introduced were fixed block
devices that would handle both VSAM and paging nicely.
snip2eof

I wouldn't say that VSAM is standardized at 4K blocks.

In general:

A Control Interval can be any size from 512 to 8192 bytes in increments
of 512 bytes, and from 8 KB to 32 KB in increments of 2 KB.
The underlying physical record size is chosen by VSAM, and depends on
device geometry. The physical record size is equal to or less than the
CI size, and divides into CI size with no remainder.
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Re: dasdfmt with a 1K block size - still not recommde d?

2004-02-18 Thread John Ford
On 2/18/2004 1:45 PM Richard Troth wrote:
Good summary and analogy, Jim.
Digging to the underlying *reason*,  I believe that the
MVS mindset is that what's physically on disk must match the
logical odd or variable sizes (80 bytes and such).   In the MVS world
the concept of disk and the concept of filesystem are blurred.
Along come new software systems like Linux.   Voi-la! there is a
new market for whatever a channel-attched disk is.   Now there is
a screaming case for FBA DASD.
If this is true, then why doesn't some enterprizing vendor sell disk
that emulates FBA devices, to be used by Linux, VSE and VM?
And this ignores the old step children
(VSE and VM) who would have benefitted from FBA decades ago.
VSE and VM *did* (and as far as I know, still can) benefit from FBA.

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jcf


Re: dasdfmt with a 1K block size - VSAM tangent

2004-02-18 Thread John Ford
On 2/18/2004 5:26 PM Jim Sibley wrote:

John wrote:

I wouldn't say that VSAM is standardized at 4K
blocks.
In general:

A Control Interval can be any size from 512 to 8192
bytes in increments
of 512 bytes, and from 8 KB to 32 KB in increments of
2 KB.
The underlying physical record size is chosen by
VSAM, and depends on device geometry. The physical
record size is equal to or less than the CI size, and
divides into CI size with no remainder.
For quite some time, VSAM has been using the media
manager as its device driver. The standard block on
disk  is 4K and all I/O's are 4K, even though the CI
may change in size. Unless you have something older
than a 3380 or an very old MVS, a track dump would
show that the actual blocks on disk are 4K.
sigh Media Manager? Sounds like there's a thing or two about z/OS I
don't know. I've not seen reference to it in manuals (DFSMS: Using Data
Sets, for example). Does VSAM know that all I/O's are 4K, or is the
Media Manager a whole 'nother layer?
Oh, nevermind... no need to educate me about this, especially on this
fine list. I don't currently do mainframes for a living, and z/Linux
really has nothing to do with z/OS's Media Manager (as far as I know).
Also, if you looked at PDSE data sets and QSAM
extended data sets, the blocksize on disk will be 4K!
MVS has for some time been moving towards a fixed 4K
block. The problem is the data in the field has to
catch up.
=
Jim Sibley
RHCT, Implementor of Linux on zSeries
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jcf


Re: Open Source thieves stealing my American code - SCO boss

2004-01-22 Thread John Ford
Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission wrote:
http://www.theregister.com/content/4/35042.html

SCO Group chief executive Darl McBride has attempted to nudge the Homeland
Security Advisory alert back up towards Red, by accusing foreign interests
of undermining US national security in a draft letter to Congressmen.
This is truly scary. McBride is now sending letters to a group of folks
who just might believe his incoherent claims.
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jcf


Re: Apocalypse Now....

2004-01-02 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 9:22 AM
Subject: Apocalypse Now


 Microsoft suspended as vendor by Israel

 JERUSALEM - The Israeli government has suspended acquisitions of
 computer
 +software from Microsoft, citing price issues and the company's
 refusal to sell
 +individual programs from its standard software package.

 http://www.iht.com/articles/123353.htm

Even if you only have one reason for a decision, it's good to have
another one just in case anyone asks...

The move with Microsoft was a purely economic decision,
the Finance Ministry spokeswoman said.
...
The spokeswoman said encouraging the development of
open-source technology had also played a role in its decision.

I don't know why I'm being so picky this morning... especially when
it's about a country moving from MS to open-source.

-jcf


Re: master-slave terminology

2003-11-27 Thread John Ford
John,

OK, now we're getting somewhere. How can any organization sensitive to
diversity issues, such as Los Angeles County, do business with Microsoft?

At msdn.microsoft.com, a search for slave shows the use of the term to be
not only tolerated and propagated (in discussions of hardware
configurations), but also actively embraced by Microsoft itself in products
such as Exchange Server and System Management Server. (They have a File
Transfer Slave! I picture a group of [insert ethnic group here - most have
been enslaved at one time or another] loading boxes and boxes of 80 column
card decks onto a boat, beaten and whipped if they drop them and upset their
delicate sequence...)

Linux to the rescue! Since Open Source software such as Linux can be
modified by users, there would be no problem. Any organization can simply
scan/replace all source, changing master to management, and slave to
staff. (Note: this allows retention of M/S designations wherever they
may occur.)

The true pity in all this is the money that will be spent pursuing this
crock of sh!t. I hope that the originator and any supporters of this
complaint are equally offended by any equipment bearing a label that says
dummy.

-jcf


- Original Message -
From: John Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: master-slave terminology


 http://shopping.msn.com == Master Slave Network ?? - Slave trading ??


Re: Perpetuating Myths about the zSeries

2003-10-28 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Perpetuating Myths about the zSeries


  On Windows this
  results in the famous general protection fault, on Unix it
  results in the famous segmentation fault, and on z/OS it is
  the famous SOC4.  I wonder if there isn't a better way to
  deal with this problem then just aborting the program.  Users
  find this problem really annoying.

 This is programmer error -- the hardware is doing exactly what it
should do,
 methinks.  Correcting the developers usually helps, although that's
much
 harder.  I've yet to find a programming language or toolset that
doesn't do
 exactly what the programmer tells it to do, even if it's
stupid...8-)

So... you haven't used VBScript? Perhaps it barely qualifies as a
programming language, but just today I wrote a script to delete a
file, then create a new one with the same name. The new one has the
same DateCreated as the file that was deleted. Unless you wait long
enough between delete and create... then you get the current
date/time. Working as designed, says Microsoft. :-/
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jcf


Re: MSNBC: New Report Cites Benefits of Consolidating SAP on Linux an d the IBM Mainframe

2003-08-22 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: MSNBC: New Report Cites Benefits of Consolidating SAP on
Linux an d the IBM Mainframe


 On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, John Ford wrote:

  The analysis, commissioned by IBM from The Sageza Group,...
 
  Not to be negative, but what would you expect the report to say?
Are
  IT exec's going to give this report more weight than, say, a
report
  commissioned by Microsoft?

 I would, wouldn't you?

Yup, as would any rational being. But I'm talking about the majority
of IT exec's.

 After all, IBM has bee known to promote other
 suppliers' software over its own, but as far
 as Microsoft is concerned, there is no other
 software to speak of:-)

This is an advantage of a vendor that sells both hardware and
software. It cuts down on the there's only one product that counts
rhetoric.

-jcf

--
Lawyers: the 99% that are jerks spoil it for the rest of them.


Ratio of new bugs per fix

2003-08-22 Thread John Ford
Quote from a NG post by a Microsoft techie, explaining why a certain
bug will not be fixed in their .NET IDE:

  Many people don't know this, but the software industry
  has studied bugs and fixing bugs and has determined
  that (on average) every three lines of code modified
  to fix a bug introduces a new bug.

Does the Open Source community have any similar study/statistic?

Just curious.

-jcf


Re: MSNBC: New Report Cites Benefits of Consolidating SAP on Linux an d the IBM Mainframe

2003-08-21 Thread John Ford
The analysis, commissioned by IBM from The Sageza Group,...

Not to be negative, but what would you expect the report to say? Are
IT exec's going to give this report more weight than, say, a report
commissioned by Microsoft?

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: Dunbar, Maggie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:35 PM
Subject: MSNBC: New Report Cites Benefits of Consolidating SAP on
Linux an d the IBM Mainframe


 ARMONK, NY, Aug. 21 - A new report from a leading technology analyst
finds
 that
 enterprises can significantly improve system performance and
reliability by
 moving
 their SAP applications to Linux on the IBM eServer zSeries
mainframe...


 http://famulus.msnbc.com/FamulusCom/iwire08-21-112002.asp?sym=IBM

 I'd be interested in the comments of those who are better versed on
the
 issues in
 this area than I am.

 -Maggie

 Maggie Dunbar
 Senior Tech Support Analyst
 MAINVIEW for Performance Assurance Suite
 BMC Software 880 Winter St Waltham, MA 02451




Re: DISA recommends compliance with Linux standard

2003-08-14 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:18 AM


 On Wednesday, 08/06/2003 at 10:38 EST, John Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

  IBM also is seeking Common Criteria certification for its z/VM
  visualization technology, ...
 
  Boy, those VM developers at IBM sure come up with sophisticated
new
  features! ;-)

 It's really cool stuff.  Special external visual cortex stimulation
 devices (EVCSDs, aka goggles) and over-the-ear auditory tranceivers
 (headphones) with Bluetooth connections to the Open Visualization
Adapter.
  Though it you can get a TRON-like view of the [Master] Control
Program
 and your guest LANs!  Totally awesome!!  ;-)

It would sure help the intellectually challenged folks who have
trouble visualizing several hundred penguins scampering about in one
z/BIG box.

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jcf


Re: A Very Serious Virus Alert

2003-08-14 Thread John Ford
Here, here! It's about time the virus writers got off their cans and
automated their crap. It's bad enough they attack poor unsuspecting
Windoze users - it just adds insult to injury to require the user to
open an attachment or click on a link to get the dang virus going!
This will save users a lot of aggravation and embarrassment. No more,
Hello, helpdesk? I think I just kicked off another email virus --
sorry!

- Original Message -
From: Jere Julian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: A Very Serious Virus Alert


I'm confused... people are acting like this is a problem.  Sounds more
like one possible solution to me!  Maybe not the best, but a start!
Makes me want to go find a bunch of Windows boxes.

-Jere

On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 02:18:40PM -0500, Ryan Ware wrote:
 I'm desperately searching for a patch for my Amiga.

  -Original Message-
  From: paultz [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 2:16 PM
  To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:  Re: A Very Serious Virus Alert
 
  Naturally, this only effects Windows operating systems!  Linux
and MAC
  are not effected.
 
 
  Whew!  You had me worried there for a bit  I thought this
had to
  do with an OS I actually use ;-)
 
  Paul
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Re: zSeries performance heavily dependent on working set size

2003-08-14 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: Jim Sibley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: zSeries performance heavily dependent on working set size


 Typical first reaction - its the paging subsystem and
 its not tuned correctly.

I think in your first post, where you mentioned working set size, most
of us began thinking paging. Later, touch a byte in each page
furthers this assumption. You're talking memory cache misses, we're
thinking page faults.

snip

 My question still is, do other platforms (hardware)
 see this degradation. I have run this on my 300PL and
 you see two legs in the curve - when the hardware
 cache miss begins and when the real memory is
 exhausted and paging starts.

I trust that the curve is more dramatic when paging starts!

-jcf


Re: big and little endian

2003-08-14 Thread John Ford
...and they didn't get sued for a billion dollars for stealing
intellectual property? Everybody knows that a handful of misguided
mavericks can't create anything that sophisticated outside a corporate
setting (just ask SCO).

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jcf

- Original Message -
From: Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: big and little endian


Yea, they were really unhappy that the 8085 didn't have any of there
ideas incorporated into it, so they started Zilog and built the Z80.
snip2eof


Re: Porting Problems

2003-08-07 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: Yogish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Porting Problems


 Hi
 Is there any other alternative to modifying or rewriting the compiler
file.
 I would rather be able to use some tool and make the binaries work. The
 compiler file for mumps is a huge file.
 Regards
 Yogish

Maybe rewrite the application in another language? There might be tools to
help convert Mumps to a more common language.

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jcf


Re: DISA recommends compliance with Linux standard

2003-08-06 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: paultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:12 AM


 http://www.gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/23035-1.html


IBM also is seeking Common Criteria certification for its z/VM
visualization technology, ...

Boy, those VM developers at IBM sure come up with sophisticated new
features! ;-)

--
jcf


Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...

2003-08-01 Thread John Ford
 - Original Message -
 From: Fargusson.Alan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:56 AM
 Subject: Re: An update to the little script I post the other day...


 Now that you mention it, I worked with an IBM assembler on a System3
 that had a similar limit.  This was due to the fact that the
 mnemonics were in a fixed position on the card, I think in position
 10, which left 8 characters for the definition of symbols.  I would
 bet that there was something similar on the System360 assembler.
 I think the System7 had a similar limit as well, for the same
reason.

System/7 !?!?!?! I haven't heard mention of that in decades. Is there
a Linux port for it?

 I would guess that
snip2eof

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jcf


Re: Open Source Community doubts SCO's claims

2003-07-22 Thread John Ford
db,

Unrelated to phonetically-induced upgrades, this just popped into my
silly head...

 David Boies' pick-up line: Hey, babe... want some litigation for
free?

 David Boyes' pick-up line: Hey, babe... want a copy of Linux for
free?

I'd say your vocation puts you at a disadvantage!

-jcf
- Original Message -
From: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Open Source Community doubts SCO's claims


 Sigh. There goes my free business class upgrades8-(

 -- db

 David Boyes
 Sine Nomine Associates


  -Original Message-
  From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of
  Ferguson, Neale
  Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 11:57 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Open Source Community doubts SCO's claims
 
 
  Interesting times for SCO's lawyer though:
  Lawyer Boies Faces Ethics Charges
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17302-2003Jul19.html
 




Re: eBay Now Powered By IBM

2003-07-21 Thread John Ford
...and which Big Blue hardware?

- Original Message -
From: Coffin Michael C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: eBay Now Powered By IBM


 Hi Rich,

 But the BIG question is which OS are they running on Big Blue
hardware?  :)

 Michael Coffin, VM Systems Programmer
 Internal Revenue Service - Room 6527
  Constitution Avenue, N.W.
 Washington, D.C.  20224

 Voice: (202) 927-4188   FAX:  (202) 622-3123
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 -Original Message-
 From: Rich Smrcina [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:58 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: eBay Now Powered By IBM


 From the announcements page:

 Other improvements include customized Register and Sign In links
based on a
 member's status, as well as easier access to tools such as My eBay,
 Community, and Help. Next to the header on the U.S. site, we have
displayed
 a logo for IBM, who powers the eBay system. In the future, the logo
will
 link to more information regarding their technology services.

 On Monday 21 July 2003 01:45 pm, you wrote:
  I don't know if you've noticed, but eBay is now evidently running
on
  Big Blue hardware.  Does anybody know if they are runing
Linux/390?
  That would be a major feather in somebody's cap!  :)
 
  http://www.ebay.com/
 
  Michael Coffin, VM Systems Programmer
  Internal Revenue Service - Room 6527
   Constitution Avenue, N.W.
  Washington, D.C.  20224
  Voice: (202) 927-4188   FAX:  (202) 622-3123
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 --
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 Sr. Systems Engineer
 Sytek Services, A Division of DSG
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 rsmrcina at wi.rr.com
 rsmrcina at dsgroup.com

 Catch the WAVV!  Stay for Requirements and the Free for All! Update
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Re: Webinar announcement

2003-07-17 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: Webinar announcement


 On Iau, 2003-07-17 at 13:17, Nick Laflamme wrote:
  THis will confuse most people outside the US. Please, times and
dates in UTC, or for the older, GMT.
  
  You don't give your fellow non-Americans nearly enough credit.

 Giving UTC or the offset as well is good practice. Like writing
dates
 in a non ambiguous format so the US doesnt turn up on the wrong day
;)

Oh, just use TOD format and annoy everyone equally.


Re: SCO - more water torture

2003-07-02 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: Lionel Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:00 AM
Subject: SCO - more water torture


 Another good article on SCO's water torture of the Linux community

 http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_27/b3840089.htm

The date on that article is July 7, 2003. Did I have a[nother] five
day black-out? Or is the SCO fiasco now in a time warp? If so, this
SCO stuff is causing major problems!

-jcf
AichTeeTeePeeColonSlashSlashDubbaDubbaDubbaDotChezFordDotCom


Re: Background on SCO

2003-06-19 Thread John Ford
Perhaps it's from the military slang for infantry (i.e. the grunts who
do the dirty work).

Based on the sound made when a tank runs over infantry.  :(

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: Joe Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Background on SCO


These guys in Utah are no dummies. The crunchies in the Linux
community
should be paying more attention.

We're crunchies now?  Hmmm.  I wonder where that came from.


On Thursday 19 June 2003 09:46, you wrote:
 An interesting background to the SCO suit.


http://www.forbes.com/2003/06/18/cz_dl_0618linux.html?partner=yahoor
eferrer=



 
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Re: Webcast Today: A 'Linux on the mainframe' reality check

2003-05-31 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: Webcast Today: A 'Linux on the mainframe' reality check


 What means frell?

Same as most unrecognized words starting with f. Verify this and
other groovy slang via http://www.urbandictionary.com. Sadly,
urbandictionary's definition of groovy hardly does justice to the
concept.

-jcf


Re: Gartner hedges on Linux

2003-05-30 Thread John Ford
[Gartner] also suggested that companies should perform due diligence
on Linux-i.e., inspect the source code and attempt to verify its
integrity-and consult with their legal departments before deployment.

Verify its integrity? IANAL, but this sounds like before using Linux,
I should compare the Linux source code with Unix source code, to make
sure there's no match. But, how am I supposed to get the Unix source
code?

I must not understand attempt to verify its integrity.

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: Lionel Dyck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:30 AM
Subject: Gartner hedges on Linux


 http://www.esj.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=566
 
 Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead
 Kaiser Permanente Information Technology
 25 N. Via Monte Ave
 Walnut Creek, Ca 94598

 Phone:   (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332)
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[no subject]

2003-04-04 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 2:57 PM


 On a -0A1, the general purpose CP is crippled or slowed down. If you
can
 afford an IFL, then the IFL runs at full speed even on a crippled
z/800.
 Are you running a z/OS or z/OS.e workload at all? If not, then I would
 suggest that you should have gotten a -0LF which is Linux only. Of
course,
 I don't know the cost of a -0A1 vs. a -0LF, so I may be off-base. Your
 original email seemed to imply that this machine was Linux only, but I
may
 be misunderstanding.

From his first original post:

   i am using suse sles8 31 bit for s/390
   on a z/800 0a1 running vm 4.3 with 2 vse's and 6 linux instances

-jcf

Minor celebration at http://www.ChezFord.com


Re: CIO network article

2003-03-31 Thread John Ford
I don't quite get the statement, IBM says it does not support its larger
z900 series mainframes ... using only Linux, ...

What does he mean by support?

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: CIO network article


 http://cin.earthweb.com/trends/article.php/2171451


Re: CIO network article

2003-03-31 Thread John Ford
Yup. But you can run Linux on that standard processor. The author's target
audience will (maybe? probably? certainly?) assume that he means that Linux
can't run all by itself on a z900.

No big deal. Just normal press stuff at which to poke fun.

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: CIO network article


 You cannot buy an IFL-only z900.  There will be at least one standard
 processor in the box.


 Mark Post

 -Original Message-
 From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:03 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: CIO network article


 I don't quite get the statement, IBM says it does not support its larger
 z900 series mainframes ... using only Linux, ...

 What does he mean by support?

 -jcf

 - Original Message -
 From: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:42 PM
 Subject: CIO network article


  http://cin.earthweb.com/trends/article.php/2171451




Re: CIO network article

2003-03-31 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: CIO network article


  Yup. But you can run Linux on that standard processor. The author's
target
  audience will (maybe? probably? certainly?) assume that he means that
Linux
  can't run all by itself on a z900.
 
  No big deal. Just normal press stuff at which to poke fun.

 I think it's a pretty tiny nit to pick at.  The key messages link Linux
with the mainframe,
 leave the impression that it's a thoroughly practical thing to do, and the
article closes with
 IBM's unique selling proposition for the mainframe - that it doesn't
break.

 I've worked with journalists for over twenty years -
 http://homepages.tesco.net/~Phil.Payne/index.html - and I've been amazed
on many occasions at
 how close they can get to the nub of the issue very quickly.

 Before you castigate the reporter for a tiny oversight, remember that
every article they write
 goes through sub-editors who know NOTHING about ANYTHING.  I have seen
reporters in tears - I
 have had reporters call me in advance of publication to apologise for the
galley proof
 distortions of their stories that they've just been presented with.

Ya, sometimes I nit-pick just because it's there. So, perhaps I should
heed this admonishment?:

   To speak down of others is a dishonest and indirect way of
   praising oneself; let us be above such transparent egotisms.

...and save my nit-picking for code reviews, where it might actually
benefit.

-jcf


Re: Peter Huesken is afwezig.

2003-03-30 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: Ross Patterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: Peter Huesken is afwezig.


 At 19:45 03/30/2003 -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote:
 Actually partner, I don't I find them to be a waste of my time, and of
 network bandwidth.

 Me neither - I collect them for posterity!  Check out the gallery at
 http://www.geocities.com/rosspatterson/OutOfTheOffice.html!

 Ross Patterson

Hmmm... looks like nice fodder for the spam address harvesters.

-jcf


Whither Tuxedo.org?

2003-03-25 Thread John Ford
I didn't grep WTHOT. So, I hit Favorites, and bop to
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/. But... I don't go to tuxedo.org. I
end up at some other.org. Tried it many times, got to many different .orgs,
but a few of them multiple times. Mostly realted to Linux or Open Source.
Weird.

Some DNS server bunged up? Tuxedo.org bunged up? I've rebooted my Win2k,
still no joy (related to Tuxedo, that is). nslookup says Tuxedo.org is
66.92.236.83. Using http://66.92.236.83 gives the same results... so it
ain't DNS.(?)

[Ya, I know... WTHOT = Way The Heck Off Topic]

-jcf

HomeSweetHome href=http://www.ChezFord.com/


Re: Sles8 and V-Disk FBA Swap Two part question

2003-03-24 Thread John Ford
 -Original Message-
 Behalf Of Richard Troth
 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:49 PM

  Dave Jones of Sine Nomine has written an EXEC that will do
  just what you want, in the guest's CMS startup phase:
  http://www.sinenomine.net/downloads/SWAPGEN.EXEC

 Mr. Nit Picky sez that Jones' EXEC does exactly the right thing.
 snip
 -- RMT

I humbly offer a minor code simplification/performance tweek to
SWAPGEN.EXEC. rambleIt doesn't change the outcome one speck, and thus
probably isn't worth changing since it isn't an exec that's called a
zillion times a day. But it's all I've got to offer tonight - please
forgive if this is impertinent. In more frequently used code and/or
longer strings, this change would be more worthy of consideration.
Somewhat more consequential than my LCD-on-a-toaster idea./ramble

swap_blk = ''
do i = 1 to 1027
  swap_blk = swap_blk || d2c(0)
end

can be replaced with...

swap_blk = left('',1027,'00'x)   /* pad--1027 */

and similarily:

do i = 1033 to 4086
  swap_blk = swap_blk || d2c(0)
end

can be replaced with...

swap_blk = left(swap_blk,4086,'00'x) /* pad--4086 */

And at this time of night, I haven't much self control, so I can't help
but offer...

swap_blk = ''
do i = 1 to 1027
  swap_blk = swap_blk || d2c(0)
end
pages = trunc((blks * 512)/4096) - 1
swap_blk = swap_blk || d2c(1)
swap_blk = swap_blk || d2c(pages,4)
do i = 1033 to 4086
  swap_blk = swap_blk || d2c(0)
end
swap_blk = swap_blk || sig

could be reduced (at great risk of obfuscation) to...

swap_blk = left(right('01'x || d2c(trunc((blks * 512)/4096) -
1,4),,
  1032,'00'x),,
  4086,'00'x) || sig
/* geez I hope I coded that right! */

-jcf

Code tweeked while-u-wait.
No charge for Rexx.


Re: OT: recipie macros now available for download

2003-03-21 Thread John Ford
Perhaps NOW my family's Homestead Configuration Manager will allow me to
install my old 486 with Linux in the kitchen. Perhaps. Anybody got an old
Tenet terminal so I can put the CPU in the basement? Counter space is
precious. Maybe an LCD screen on the side of the toaster, and keyboard in a
drawer?

- Original Message -
From: John Summerfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: OT: recipie macros now available for download


 On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, David Boyes wrote:

  Since I got about 50 requests for the recipie macros, I've put them up
  for download at http://www.sinenomine.net/fun.  The package is a single
  tar file with the macros, some scripts to process the recipies into
  nicely formatted pages and/or print full books with indexes, and the
  original 100 or so recipies that make up volume 1 of the Usenet
  Cookbook.  Prereqs are a working nroff/troff installation and some
  knowledge of how scripting works.  (BTW, if you plan to use these on
  Linux, check your distribution for a2ps and ps2pdf. These two utilities
  are very useful for producing printed output from these macros. )
 
  I'll be adding additional recipies to this area later.  Enjoy.


  At last!!

  The promise we could use our computers to track our recipes is
  realised!



 --


 Cheers
 John.

 Join the Linux Support by Small Businesses list at
 http://mail.computerdatasafe.com.au/mailman/listinfo/lssb




Re: They wouldn't do this unless they had to

2003-03-14 Thread John Ford
Competition from Linux? Is SeattlePi a legitimate news source? Sounds
like
one of those fake-news sites. They had me believing it until...

   It's really about being fair to customers, Microsoft's Sitner said.

Huh? I can't quite get my mind around that sentence. ;-)

   Microsoft ... working ... to develop software and server computers
that
   can let a network automatically make adjustments for spikes in
demand.
   The network would be able to shift more servers, processors and
storage
   to an area that's overloaded and remove the additional resources when

   they aren't needed

What a novel idea!

-jcf

 -Original Message-
 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Phil Payne
 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:09 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: They wouldn't do this unless they had to


 http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/112430_msftserver14.shtml

 Microsoft made the changes amid competition from the
 lower-priced Linux operating system and database programs
 from IBM and Oracle Corp. In August, Microsoft switched to a
 new sales plan that raised prices for many clients, causing
 some to consider rivals such as Linux.

 --
   Phil Payne
   http://www.isham-research.com
   +44 7785 302 803
   +49 173 6242039




Re: SCO FILES LAWSUIT AGAINST IBM

2003-03-09 Thread John Ford
 -Original Message-
 From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Fargusson.Alan
 Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:54 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: SCO FILES LAWSUIT AGAINST IBM

 I just checked, and SCOX has a market value of $28.9M.  At
 this price it would be reasonable for IBM to buy SCO and
 avoid litigation.  I have to wonder if that is what SCO has in mind.

Hmmm... what other corporation in our little community has lots of cash,
buys up competitors like candy, has a lawyer or two on their staff, and
would love to have a sharp stick to poke at both IBM and Linux?

Oh, and they also could use a decent operating system in their product
line. Winix?

[Just noticed: Outlook's spellchecker suggests Wine in place of
Winix.]

-jcf

I post, therefore I spam.
www.ChezFord.com


Re: Microsoft Buys Connectix

2003-02-20 Thread John Ford
Rambling to the choir:

Imagine that I'm an IT manager planning a large server farm - hundreds of
web, file, print, database, and application servers. Hoping for a cost
savings by implementing many virtual servers per real server, I look at two
alternatives.

So, let's see...

Should I go with a hardware platform from a company that for the last 40
years has been focused on large reliable systems supporting thousands of
concurrent tasks, plus a machine virtualizer that's been around for 30
years, coupled with a lean, secure open source operating system designed to
support multiple users and functions on any platform I choose...

Or should I go with a hardware platform born and raised to serve one user
who doesn't mind the occasional three-finger-salute when an undeterminable
error grinds it to a halt, plus a machine virtualizer that is real handy for
desktop testing, coupled with a server version of a bloated, wobbly
proprietary operating system that has a hard time juggling a dozen mostly
idle applications for a single user that doesn't mind clicking Disable
Macros or Save it to disk to avoid worms  viruses? (OK, the last bit
will be overcome  by Palladium. Ya, right!)
__

It's going to take a long time for the Intel/Connectix/Windows combination
to allow much scaling. IBM/VM/Linux had a bit of a scaling problem that was
quickly overcome with the timer patch will Windows have similar issues?
Intel certainly has some engineering to do (will the upcoming 1-4MB cache be
enough?) to support the massive context-switching required by Machine
Virtualization (that z/900 does so well), and _that_ will take a bit longer
than the timer patch. It obviously will require the customer to replace
hardware. I'm sure it will be sold as an amazing advance in CPU design.

Will Intel/Connectix/Windows scalability be able to catch up to IBM/Linux
before losing too much of its server market share? The more Microsoft touts
server consolidation, the more folks will want it... so more folks will
notice IBM/Linux as an alternative.

-jcf

Speaking only for (and mostly to) myself.

- Original Message -
From: Ledbetter, Scott E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: Microsoft Buys Connectix


 I think Microsoft is seeing VM/Linux as an opportunity/threat.

 I guess this explains why Connectix has refused to return my phone calls
 about their Virtual Server product.

 http://www.crn.com/sections/BreakingNews/dailyarchives.asp?ArticleID=40038

 Scott Ledbetter
 StorageTek





Re: Power of Open Source - Microsoft Warns SEC of Open-Source Threat

2003-02-06 Thread John Ford
Phil,

I went to the article referred to at the start of this thread
(http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857638,00.asp), and can't find your
quote. Is it from something the article links to?

-jcf
- Original Message -
From: Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Power of Open Source - Microsoft Warns SEC of Open-Source
Threat


 The most oft-cited reason given by larger companies with 2,000+ employees
for not installing
 Linux is that the proprietary nature of the software their companies
depends upon precludes
 them from open-source development.

 I don't understand the foregoing.

 --
   Phil Payne
   http://www.isham-research.com
   +44 7785 302 803
   +49 173 6242039





Re: Power of Open Source - Microsoft Warns SEC of Open-Source Threat

2003-02-05 Thread John Ford
Maybe they think that if they use open source software as part of their
proprietary software that they would have to make their software open.
AFAIK, it doesn't matter unless you distribute your software with the OSS
stuff embedded (and thus no longer open). If I'm wrong... straighten me
out...

-jcf
- Original Message -
From: Rick Troth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Power of Open Source - Microsoft Warns SEC of Open-Source
Threat


  The most oft-cited reason given by larger companies
   with 2,000+ employees for not installing Linux is that
   the proprietary nature of the software their companies depends upon
   precludes them from open-source development.
 
  I don't understand the foregoing.

 I don't either.

 -- RMT





Linux-390 List Archives

2003-01-08 Thread John Ford
I've been asked to ask a question about volume backups for disaster
recovery. Being a good list member, I want to RTFA before posting the
question. I've done a search of the archives at Marist, but the response
time is painfully slow. Is there a better way to access the Linux-390 list
archives?


Thanks,

-jcf



Re: Linux-390 List Archives

2003-01-08 Thread John Ford
Mark,

Hmm. Always glad to induce projects upon other folks. Let us know when it's
online. ;-)

Noticing that the timestamp on your post is earlier than my question's post,
I'm guessing that you already finished this project before breakfast?

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Linux-390 List Archives


 John,

 What I do is send a
 get linux-vm 0212
 command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] every month (changing the file name, of
 course) and pull down the entire archive.  I have a complete set starting
 from 9812.  I grep through them to find what I'm looking for.  Very fast,
 and well worth the 54MB of disk space.

 Hmm.  Now that I think about it, maybe it would be a nice thing to do for
 people to hang a zipped copy of all that off linuxvm.org, and keep it
 updated on a monthly basis.  Hmm.

 Mark Post

 -Original Message-
 From: John Ford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 12:25 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Linux-390 List Archives


 I've been asked to ask a question about volume backups for disaster
 recovery. Being a good list member, I want to RTFA before posting the
 question. I've done a search of the archives at Marist, but the response
 time is painfully slow. Is there a better way to access the Linux-390 list
 archives?


 Thanks,

 -jcf





Re: Linux time/date getting skewed

2003-01-03 Thread John Ford
Does the timer patch rely on the CPU timer as an accurate timekeeper? It can
slow down due to cycle stealing by I/O activity. But, I'm thinking that no
matter how Linux wakes up, it would HAVE to use STCKE to have any hope of
keeping accurate time (without NTP). In effect, STCKE would replace NTP's
function.

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Linux time/date getting skewed


 I'll assume you're not running NTP for the obvious reason that it
 negates the timer patch benefit, but we've seen some relationship to
 frequency of disk I/O and network I/O to how bad the timekeeping
 becomes. I haven't been able to pin it down either.



Moving Linux Volumes

2002-12-26 Thread John Ford
I've been asked to ask:

-
I have a Linux Lpar using 3 volumes and we are moving to a new physical disk
unit. How do I copy the 3 volumes to the new devices??

Other LPAR's are OS/390. No VM.
-

-jcf



Tux.txt (eServer Magazine, turn left)

2002-11-26 Thread John Ford
- Original Message -
From: Dave O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: eServer Magazine


blah blah snip real thread

  ('
  //\
  v_/_

Dave,

Hadn't seen this before... I'll always have a softspot for character-cell
graphics.

-jcf



Re: CPU Arch Security [was: Re: Probably the first published shell code]

2002-11-07 Thread John Ford
It doesn't matter where the instruction resides - the key in the current PSW
determines stomping rights.

-jcf
- Original Message -
From: Ward, Garry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: CPU Arch Security [was: Re: Probably the first published shell
code]


snip
 if the storage key where the insturction is executed from doesn't
 match the storage key of the target of the instruction, you get a
 protection exception raised and, generally, your program terminated.



Re: Probably the first published shell code example for Linux/390

2002-10-30 Thread John Ford
Ron,

I admire efforts to reduce wasted bandwidth, but I think you trimmed a bit
too much from the post to which you're referring.

Unrelated to that... I tried to get to the phrack site, and got our THE
SITE YOU HAVE TRIED TO ACCESS IS RESTRICTED BY company name SECURITY
ADMINISTRATOR. from our corporate firewall. g

I guess I'll have to check it out when I get home.

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: Ronald Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Probably the first published shell code example for Linux/390


 good point



Re: Probably the first published shell code example for Linux/390

2002-10-30 Thread John Ford
This is the first time my innocent eyes have been tempted to look in this
direction... I find it amusing that the technique requires masking x'00' and
x'0A' - I'd think that no matter what platform, you'd have this problem when
cramming binary stuff down the system's throat. Mission Impossible theme
playing softly in the background I suppose to these folks, it's just
another hoop to gleefully jump through to get the job done.

sigh All that wasted energy and talent.

-jcf
[Thanks, MKP, for sending me this fine publication from which our corporate
firewall protects me. Of course, this made me waste valuable company time
perusing it. You just indirectly contributed to the rising cost of
healthcare.]



Re: Probably the first published shell code example for Linux/390

2002-10-30 Thread John Ford
Regarding credit for reducing healthcare costs... I'd gladly give you
credit, but first, we'd have to USE such a system for at least one
mission-critical application. In the words of our computer systems steering
committee regarding Linux, Additional operating systems would not only
further dilute our current capabilities, but would also require an
investment that would prove to be cost prohibitive, exceeding possible
benefits to the business.

They prefer the reliability, flexibility, manageability and low low TCO of
Microsoft products, from server to desktop.

So rather than spend my time writing Perl scripts on Apache servers, it's
VBScript and Outlook Forms on Exchange servers for me! There... I admitted
it.
  :-(

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: Probably the first published shell code example for Linux/390


 Ah, but it's not binary stuff, which is why the masking is necessary.
x'00'
 = end of string and x'0a' = line feed, so ASCII bash scripts that are
going
 to be executed can't have them embedded directly.

 As far as being an indirect cause of rising healthcare costs, do I also
get
 the credit for reducing them when one of your systems is _not_ cracked?
:)



Re: Free Software - triggers junk?

2002-10-16 Thread John Ford

! in the subject field is one indicator of likely spam.
We just have to not let ourselves get too excited about things.

-jcf
Webmaster of my domain
http://www.chezford.com

- Original Message -
From: Henry Schaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 5:38 PM
Subject: Free Software - triggers junk?


 Hello from Gregg C Levine
 That's screwy. Mark, that decidedly important post of yours was flagged
 as junk mail by Outlook when it landed here.  ...

   I'm wondering if the phrase Free Software does it. - Hence this
 reply is a test of my guess.

 --henry schaffer

 P.S. If you are interested in this topic, our resource page may be
 helpful, it is at:
 http://www.ncsu.edu/it/open_source/





Re: One Page Linux Manual

2002-08-02 Thread John Ford

Duplex, man - DUPLEX!

-jcf

- Original Message -
From: Ledbetter, Scott E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: One Page Linux Manual


 The error I noticed was that it is a TWO Page Linux Manual, not a One Page
 Linux Manual.

 Scott Ledbetter
 StorageTek

 -Original Message-
 From: Lionel Dyck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: July 31, 2002 9:46 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: One Page Linux Manual


 What was the error so I don't fall into it?

 thx
 
 Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead
 Kaiser Permanente Information Technology
 25 N. Via Monte Ave
 Walnut Creek, Ca 94598

 Phone:   (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332)
 E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address)
 AIM:lbdyck

 Linux on 390 Port [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 07/31/2002 07:53:28
 AM:

  Lionel,
 
  I took a quick look at it.  In general it looks fine, but I found at
 least
  one error in it that makes me leery of recommending it to people with
 little
  experience without looking at it a lot more closely.
 
  Mark Post
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Lionel Dyck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 9:46 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: One Page Linux Manual
 
 
  I just stumbled across this and thought I'd share it.
 
  http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~squadron/
 
 
  
  Lionel B. Dyck, Systems Software Lead
  Kaiser Permanente Information Technology
  25 N. Via Monte Ave
  Walnut Creek, Ca 94598
 
  Phone:   (925) 926-5332 (tie line 8/473-5332)
  E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sametime: (use Lotus Notes address)
  AIM:lbdyck




Re: Another consolidation

2002-07-26 Thread John Ford

--- David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:48:11 -0400
 From: David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Another consolidation
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Gee, guess the trade press will believe me next time...8-)

db,

Ya. Right. They'll see the light now.
You must have had some good sh!t in that bong...   ;-)

-jcf

insert witty tag line here

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I don't anymore.
Well, not much.



Re: strange emails

2002-04-02 Thread John Ford

Chris,

So... I should stop trying to figure out the Top-Level Domain for
WWW.NMJKPOIUYTREWQ ?

-jcf
--- Chris Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I apologize for the bizarre emails coming from this address.  My 5
 year old son thought that he would be like daddy.

 chris


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