Re: x-11 on SLES

[Frank Wolfe]

Thank you all for the replies. I ended up trying Moba, - what an awesome
tool!

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Rick Troth  wrote:

> On 05/04/2016 11:31 AM, Frank Wolfe wrote:
>
> Has anyone setup x-11 on SLES for Linux on z? Can it be done?
>
>
> Hi Frank --
>
> Lots of good responses.
> Rest assured, *X-11 for Linux on z is widely used for GUI applications
> and for GUI installers*.
>
> Mark's question points out a possible misunderstand:
> VNC for Linux on z *is* X-11 for Linux on z. VNC simply presents a virtual
> screen rather than a physical screen. Plugging in a bitmapped display to
> your mainframe is probably doable, but not scalable and likely not worth
> your effort. So that then leads to other questions. What are your
> requirements?
>
> I regularly *tunnel X-11* applications to my physical desktop using SSH
> "-X" option. (Same effect can be had using PuTTY or KiTTY or MobaXterm
> which Gregory mentioned.) In times past, I used *on-the-wire remote* (but
> nobody trusts their own LAN these days). And I've used VNC itself with *'*
> *vncviewer**' on the physical screen*.
>
> -- R; <><
>
>
>
>

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Rick Troth]

On 05/04/2016 11:31 AM, Frank Wolfe wrote:
> Has anyone setup x-11 on SLES for Linux on z? Can it be done?

Hi Frank --

Lots of good responses.
Rest assured, _X-11 for Linux on z is widely used for GUI applications
and for GUI installers_.

Mark's question points out a possible misunderstand:
VNC for Linux on z *is* X-11 for Linux on z. VNC simply presents a
virtual screen rather than a physical screen. Plugging in a bitmapped
display to your mainframe is probably doable, but not scalable and
likely not worth your effort. So that then leads to other questions.
What are your requirements?

I regularly _tunnel X-11_ applications to my physical desktop using SSH
"-X" option. (Same effect can be had using PuTTY or KiTTY or MobaXterm
which Gregory mentioned.) In times past, I used _on-the-wire remote_
(but nobody trusts their own LAN these days). And I've used VNC itself
with _'__vncviewer__' on the physical screen_.

-- R; <><




--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Dave McGuire]

On 05/05/2016 06:06 AM, WF Konynenberg wrote:
>>In the world of "UNIX graybeards" it has always been conventional
>> wisdom that servers don't run a GUI.  A lot of people do it, but that
>> doesn't make it the right thing to do, for exactly the reasons you cite
>> above, and more. (security, for example)
>>
>>Note well that, as several people have pointed out in this thread, not
>> running a GUI on a server does not preclude the use of GUI-based
>> installers, if one is actually required (as you mention above) in the
>> first place.  For decades the UNIX world has enjoyed the benefits of
>> network-based windowing systems...No "remote desktop", no "copying"
>> screen contents across the network, or other such foolishness...but
>> native "open this window OVER THERE" behaviors that do not require
>> graphics hardware (and its attendant hundreds of thousands of lines of
>> code) on the system on which the GUIfied program is executed.
>
> Do note that although the entire underlying concept of the X11 windowing
> system has always been that it is fully network based, and thus it
> doesn't matter where the applications are running, modern Desktop
> Environments mostly destroy this notion with an implicit and deeply
> ingrained "one man, one computer" assumption.

  Yup.  That's pretty much what I said. ;)

> In the original implementations of X11, *all* programs were remote from
> the perspective of the X11 display server, which ran on a specialized X
> Terminal device that did nothing but run the display server.  It
> contacted some remote server to present the initial display, which was
> either a login screen or a host chooser.

  Those were later implementations, yes.  The original implementations
were a bit different.  The first experimental implementation was on a
VAXstation-100, which was a fiber-connected remote bitmap graphics
terminal that connected to a Unibus controller board, typically
installed in a VAX.  The next few implementations were on computers that
had bitmapped graphics hardware, one of the first being a MicroVAX-I
with a VCB01 bitmapped graphics board installed.

  But I'm picking nits.  I cannot help myself. ;)  I'm a DEChead (and a
lot of early X work was done by DEC), a computer history nut (I run a
public vintage computer museum), and someone who has used X daily for a
few decades.

> These good old times are long gone, and a typical X11 setup these days
> behaves a lot more like a typical Windows PC, in that all the funky
> "Desktop Environment" software implicitly assumes that there is a single
> user running on their own personal computer with lots of spare CPU &
> RAM, where all their applications are running. Wasting hundreds of
> megabytes of RAM and several percent of your 3GHz of CPU cycles for a
> simple cute looking clock in the corner is not considered an issue at all.

  Yes, it's gross.  But those good old times being long gone is just an
issue of usage.  I regularly run stuff on other systems displayed back
to my desktop machine.  It's all still there, and it all works great,
with the exception of some stuff (like PCB layout software) that
requires GL.

> However, the underlying network mechanisms are all still there, so it's
> not too hard to set things up such that any given application gets
> started on any given remote server, as desired.

  Yup, it all Just Works(tm).  Many people...not you, you obviously know
this stuff very well...but most other people, including the original
poster on this thread, could derive great utility from spending a few
minutes learning about how this stuff works.  The underlying design
principles are solid gold and it all works extremely well.  Using
something like a Windows machine, or even a Mac these days, feels like
stepping back into the dark ages for people who know the raw power of
real graphical systems.

   -Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Grzegorz Powiedziuk]

2016-05-05 9:11 GMT-04:00 Grzegorz Powiedziuk :

>
>
> I just would like to mention about MobaXterm which is one of "my best
> discoveries" during last few years when it comes to software (personal
> edition is free)
> It is a terminal application like putty but it has extremely useful
> features which automate many things like ssh tunnels and X11 forwarding.
> This thing has a built in cygwin and X server.
>
> So you just start it up in windows (you don't even have to install it) ,
> connect to your linux server like you do with any other terminal
> application and when you start an app that makes calls to X server it just
> works an pops up on your screen.
>
>
I need to clear up something (someone just asked me about this)
Above I meant that you don't have to do install it like most traditional
windows programs (msi installer etc)
It is a stand alone "exe" which you have to download first from their
website (pick portable version).
It will be a zip file. So just unzip it and run. Of course if you prefer an
install version, you can download one too.

Gregory

>

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Grzegorz Powiedziuk]

2016-05-04 11:31 GMT-04:00 Frank Wolfe :

> Good day all
>
> Has anyone setup x-11 on SLES for Linux on z? Can it be done?
>
> Have a good day
>
> Fank
>
>

I just would like to mention about MobaXterm which is one of "my best
discoveries" during last few years when it comes to software (personal
edition is free)
It is a terminal application like putty but it has extremely useful
features which automate many things like ssh tunnels and X11 forwarding.
This thing has a built in cygwin and X server.

So you just start it up in windows (you don't even have to install it) ,
connect to your linux server like you do with any other terminal
application and when you start an app that makes calls to X server it just
works an pops up on your screen.

Before that I was using VNC, XMing or even a dedicated linux desktop
virtual machine. But this is far best one and easiest to use.

It also has many other cool features (for example it automatically makes an
scp/sftp connection so you always have "windows like" directory structure
next to the terminal for easy drag and drop files between your workstation
and linux server.

I just wish they throw in c3270 one day and I need nothing more.

Give it a try, this program is like a virus - everyone I work with, uses it
already.

Gregory

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[WF Konynenberg]

Hi,

On 05/05/2016 04:17 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:

On 05/04/2016 03:39 PM, van Sleeuwen, Berry wrote:

[... snipped ...]

   In the world of "UNIX graybeards" it has always been conventional
wisdom that servers don't run a GUI.  A lot of people do it, but that
doesn't make it the right thing to do, for exactly the reasons you cite
above, and more. (security, for example)

   Note well that, as several people have pointed out in this thread, not
running a GUI on a server does not preclude the use of GUI-based
installers, if one is actually required (as you mention above) in the
first place.  For decades the UNIX world has enjoyed the benefits of
network-based windowing systems...No "remote desktop", no "copying"
screen contents across the network, or other such foolishness...but
native "open this window OVER THERE" behaviors that do not require
graphics hardware (and its attendant hundreds of thousands of lines of
code) on the system on which the GUIfied program is executed.


Do note that although the entire underlying concept of the X11 windowing
system has always been that it is fully network based, and thus it
doesn't matter where the applications are running, modern Desktop
Environments mostly destroy this notion with an implicit and deeply
ingrained "one man, one computer" assumption.

In the original implementations of X11, *all* programs were remote from
the perspective of the X11 display server, which ran on a specialized X
Terminal device that did nothing but run the display server.  It
contacted some remote server to present the initial display, which was
either a login screen or a host chooser.  In this setup, although the
servers didn't "run a GUI" in the sense of the console of the server
having a GUI interface for the sysadmin (the console was typically an
RS232 terminal), the servers *did* "run a GUI" in the sense that all
users logged in to their X11 login session on the server.  A basic X11
login session, however, was much more light-weight back then than a
"Desktop Environment" is today.

These good old times are long gone, and a typical X11 setup these days
behaves a lot more like a typical Windows PC, in that all the funky
"Desktop Environment" software implicitly assumes that there is a single
user running on their own personal computer with lots of spare CPU &
RAM, where all their applications are running. Wasting hundreds of
megabytes of RAM and several percent of your 3GHz of CPU cycles for a
simple cute looking clock in the corner is not considered an issue at all.

However, the underlying network mechanisms are all still there, so it's
not too hard to set things up such that any given application gets
started on any given remote server, as desired.

The "ssh -X" method that I suggested earlier is a common method these
days, but if you don't actually care about secure encryption of your X11
display traffic on the local lan, it's actually unnecessary overhead,
and simply pointing the DISPLAY variable in your shell session on the
server to your X11 server's address and setting up good old xauth may
well work better.

The OP's question was sufficiently non-specific that we just don't know
what they were actually trying to achieve, so I'm hoping we'll get some
further clarification on that.

I do agree that actually running a full modern GUI "Desktop Environment"
on a Z server (which is what you would get when, say, you run a VNC X11
server session on zlinux), although entirely possible, is mostly likely
*not* what you actually want, as that will consume way too many way too
expensive CPU/RAM resources on the Z system that you really should
off-load to another (cheaper) platform.  And installing X11 on zlinux
just because some documentation falsely assumes that you cannot possibly
do sysadmin work without a GUI console is definitely a no no.

But having users run a specific X11 based application on zlinux might
under some circumstances make sense and is not difficult to set up.


Willy

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Dave McGuire]

On 05/04/2016 03:39 PM, van Sleeuwen, Berry wrote:
> What software do you want to install? Is a GUI really required for
> installing it? Most installation manuals are written for MS Windows
> or PC based Linux. So they tend to write mostly with (x) windows in
> mind. That includes the system requirements as well :-(. Somewhere in
> a hidden corner they also might mention a Command Line install and/or
> silent install. Even MS-windows based software nowadays can be
> installed trough scripting, often without actually needing a
> full-blown windows. I have to admit, it was quite a challenge to
> convince our Oracle group that Oracle can be installed on the command
> line.
>
> I did install a x-windows machine some time ago. It was fun to see
> the machine with x-windows but also confirmed the high resource
> consumption that goes with a GUI based system. For server systems I
> would say you don't need or want windows. There is no point in
> running a GUI on a server that you don't login to often (at least, I
> hope you don't need to login that often). MS has discovered this only
> a couple of years ago.

  In the world of "UNIX graybeards" it has always been conventional
wisdom that servers don't run a GUI.  A lot of people do it, but that
doesn't make it the right thing to do, for exactly the reasons you cite
above, and more. (security, for example)

  Note well that, as several people have pointed out in this thread, not
running a GUI on a server does not preclude the use of GUI-based
installers, if one is actually required (as you mention above) in the
first place.  For decades the UNIX world has enjoyed the benefits of
network-based windowing systems...No "remote desktop", no "copying"
screen contents across the network, or other such foolishness...but
native "open this window OVER THERE" behaviors that do not require
graphics hardware (and its attendant hundreds of thousands of lines of
code) on the system on which the GUIfied program is executed.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[van Sleeuwen, Berry]

What software do you want to install? Is a GUI really required for installing 
it? Most installation manuals are written for MS Windows or PC based Linux. So 
they tend to write mostly with (x) windows in mind. That includes the system 
requirements as well :-(. Somewhere in a hidden corner they also might mention 
a Command Line install and/or silent install. Even MS-windows based software 
nowadays can be installed trough scripting, often without actually needing a 
full-blown windows. I have to admit, it was quite a challenge to convince our 
Oracle group that Oracle can be installed on the command line.

I did install a x-windows machine some time ago. It was fun to see the machine 
with x-windows but also confirmed the high resource consumption that goes with 
a GUI based system. For server systems I would say you don't need or want 
windows. There is no point in running a GUI on a server that you don't login to 
often (at least, I hope you don't need to login that often). MS has discovered 
this only a couple of years ago.

Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Berry van Sleeuwen

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Frank 
Wolfe
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 6:01 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: x-11 on SLES

Thank you Scott / Mark. It is needed to install software.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Mark Post <mp...@suse.com> wrote:

> >>> On 5/4/2016 at 11:43 AM, Frank Wolfe <fwolfe2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thank you Mark. Can you setup X11 on z Linux?
> >
> > I have configured VNC but I am curious about X11.
>
> Again, I don't know what you mean by that.  What are you trying to do?
>
>
> Mark Post
>
> --
> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send
> email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
> visit
> http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
> --
> For more information on Linux on System z, visit
> http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
>

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to 
lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
This e-mail and the documents attached are confidential and intended solely for 
the addressee; it may also be privileged. If you receive this e-mail in error, 
please notify the sender immediately and destroy it. As its integrity cannot be 
secured on the Internet, Atos’ liability cannot be triggered for the message 
content. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free 
network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and 
will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted. On all 
offers and agreements under which Atos Nederland B.V. supplies goods and/or 
services of whatever nature, the Terms of Delivery from Atos Nederland B.V. 
exclusively apply. The Terms of Delivery shall be promptly submitted to you on 
your request.

Re: x-11 on SLES

[WF Konynenberg]

The question is not "Can it be done?", but rather "How best to do it so
as to achieve the desired end result?".

There are a gazillion different ways to access X11 applications on a
zlinux system from a workstation.

Which way is the best way depends a lot on what one wishes to achieve.

You can configure an X11 Server on a Windows PC to contact a display
manager running on the zlinux system.  The result will be that the
entire desktop environment is running on the zlinux system, and the
desktop environment will by default run all application on the zlinux
system, with the display shown in the X11 Server application on the
Windows PC.

You can connect from an X11 desktop system to the zlinux system with ssh
-X and then run individual applications on the zlinux system that will
display locally on the X11 desktop system.

You can allow users on the zlinux system to run a VNC X11 server on the
zlinux system, to which they can then connect from any desktop system,
be it X11, Windows, or Mac/OS.  This VNC X11 server will then probably
contain a complete desktop environment that is running on the zlinux system.

Etc.

Etc.


So, the interesting question is: what is the end result you would like
to achieve?

Willy


On 05/04/2016 05:31 PM, Frank Wolfe wrote:

Good day all

Has anyone setup x-11 on SLES for Linux on z? Can it be done?

Have a good day

Fank

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/



--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Rob van der Heij]

Since we don't have a bit - mapped graphics display to use, there are two
options
1. Run VNC server on the z side to emulate the display, use a VNC viewer or
web-based java viewer to see it
2. Run x 11 display on your workstation and have x11-forwarding enabled
which sets the DISPLAY variable.

Rob
On May 4, 2016 6:14 PM, <karlkings...@ongov.net> wrote:

> What software?
>
> Can't VNC be used?
>
>
>
>
>
> From:   Frank Wolfe <fwolfe2...@gmail.com>
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Date:   05/04/2016 12:00 PM
> Subject:Re: x-11 on SLES
> Sent by:Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>
>
>
>
> Thank you Scott / Mark. It is needed to install software.
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Mark Post <mp...@suse.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> On 5/4/2016 at 11:43 AM, Frank Wolfe <fwolfe2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Thank you Mark. Can you setup X11 on z Linux?
> > >
> > > I have configured VNC but I am curious about X11.
> >
> > Again, I don't know what you mean by that.  What are you trying to do?
> >
> >
> > Mark Post
> >
> > --
> > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
> > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
> > visit
> > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
> > --
> > For more information on Linux on System z, visit
> > http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
> >
>
> --
> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
> send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
> visit
> http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
> --
> For more information on Linux on System z, visit
> http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
>
>
>
> --
> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
> send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
> visit
> http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
> --
> For more information on Linux on System z, visit
> http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
>

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Mark Post]

>>> On 5/4/2016 at 12:00 PM, Frank Wolfe  wrote: 
> Thank you Scott / Mark. It is needed to install software.

That really doesn't help much.  WHAT is needed in order to install software?  
If you selected the X pattern (or left it selected, it's "on" by default) then 
you should have everything you need to do whatever it is you want.  I just 
don't know what you want.


Mark Post

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[KarlKingston]

What software?

Can't VNC be used?





From:   Frank Wolfe <fwolfe2...@gmail.com>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:   05/04/2016 12:00 PM
Subject:        Re: x-11 on SLES
Sent by:Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>



Thank you Scott / Mark. It is needed to install software.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Mark Post <mp...@suse.com> wrote:

> >>> On 5/4/2016 at 11:43 AM, Frank Wolfe <fwolfe2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thank you Mark. Can you setup X11 on z Linux?
> >
> > I have configured VNC but I am curious about X11.
>
> Again, I don't know what you mean by that.  What are you trying to do?
>
>
> Mark Post
>
> --
> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
> send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
> visit
> http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
> --
> For more information on Linux on System z, visit
> http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
>

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/



--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Frank Wolfe]

Thank you Scott / Mark. It is needed to install software.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Mark Post  wrote:

> >>> On 5/4/2016 at 11:43 AM, Frank Wolfe  wrote:
> > Thank you Mark. Can you setup X11 on z Linux?
> >
> > I have configured VNC but I am curious about X11.
>
> Again, I don't know what you mean by that.  What are you trying to do?
>
>
> Mark Post
>
> --
> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
> send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
> visit
> http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
> --
> For more information on Linux on System z, visit
> http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
>

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Mark Post]

>>> On 5/4/2016 at 11:43 AM, Frank Wolfe  wrote: 
> Thank you Mark. Can you setup X11 on z Linux?
> 
> I have configured VNC but I am curious about X11.

Again, I don't know what you mean by that.  What are you trying to do?


Mark Post

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Scott Rohling]

Of course...but you will need to use a network display (VNC for
example) to see a desktop and.or window from your workstation    you
can even use 'ssh -X' from your workstation to bring up a windowed
application running on zLinux on your workstation, for example.   Or is
this what you meant?

Scott Rohling

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Frank Wolfe  wrote:

> Good day all
>
> Has anyone setup x-11 on SLES for Linux on z? Can it be done?
>
> Have a good day
>
> Fank
>
> --
> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
> send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
> visit
> http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
> --
> For more information on Linux on System z, visit
> http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
>

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Frank Wolfe]

Thank you Mark. Can you setup X11 on z Linux?

I have configured VNC but I am curious about X11.

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mark Post  wrote:

> >>> On 5/4/2016 at 11:31 AM, Frank Wolfe  wrote:
> > Good day all
> >
> > Has anyone setup x-11 on SLES for Linux on z? Can it be done?
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by that.  Clearly, z isn't going to have an X
> server running, but all the client programs work fine.  VNC is easy to set
> up and use
> yast -> Network Services -> Remote Administration (VNC)
>
> Is there something else you're looking for?
>
>
> Mark Post
>
> --
> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
> send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or
> visit
> http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
> --
> For more information on Linux on System z, visit
> http://wiki.linuxvm.org/
>

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/

Re: x-11 on SLES

[Mark Post]

>>> On 5/4/2016 at 11:31 AM, Frank Wolfe  wrote: 
> Good day all
> 
> Has anyone setup x-11 on SLES for Linux on z? Can it be done?

I'm not sure what you mean by that.  Clearly, z isn't going to have an X server 
running, but all the client programs work fine.  VNC is easy to set up and use
yast -> Network Services -> Remote Administration (VNC)

Is there something else you're looking for?


Mark Post

--
For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions,
send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
--
For more information on Linux on System z, visit
http://wiki.linuxvm.org/