Re: [LAD] User eXperience in Linux Audio
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com wrote: Linux Audio packages are plagued by reasons that are relevant to the developer, but which should be irrelevant to the user. I don't care if dev thinks knobs are a bad idea, I want a knob and not a text field, because it is easier to use on stage. I don't care if dev has a technical reason to have a text field instead of a knob. I need a knob, because it is easier to use on stage. Just one little note here. Back in 2001, I read an article in the US Keyboard magazine that made a strong case for stopping the use of skuomorphic GUIs (knobs etc) for a variety of reasons. It wasn't written by a software developer, but a musician. He was bemoaning how limited GUIs for audio software were because of their attempt to present things that look like hardware controls. So mileage may vary here. There are users with very different workflows, ideas, needs and backgrounds, and some of them don't want knobs. They could of course be a tiny minority and developers might be better off ignoring them. But it isn't true that text fields = developer centric, knobs = user centric. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] User eXperience in Linux Audio
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com wrote: Linux Audio packages are plagued by reasons that are relevant to the developer, but which should be irrelevant to the user. I don't care if dev thinks knobs are a bad idea, I want a knob and not a text field, because it is easier to use on stage. I don't care if dev has a technical reason to have a text field instead of a knob. I need a knob, because it is easier to use on stage. Years ago, I had a sequencer program that had no knobs. It had only text fields. However, holding the mouse button down and moving the mouse up or down (maybe side to side as well) adjusted the value with no text input required. The mouse pointer may end up way off the value it was adjusting but that was fine. While it was possible to make knob pictures with the graphics lib at that time (Atari ST actually) the monitor resolution was low and the author was trying to put (probably too) many controls on the screen). A knob is ok if it works similar. Knobs that insist that I touch the knob pointer and move that in a tiny arch to adjust and where the pointer flips from one end to the other if I make the wrong move are not easier to move on stage... A knob picture is fine, it shows the user this is a continuously variable control while using a lot less screen realestate than a slider would. A knob that looks like a knob but works like a slider is what is needed. Being able to change value by moving the knob (or trying to) up and down or left and right is much more usable than trying to move the mouse in tiny circles. I would suggest being able to adjust using both up/down and left/right so that controls can be close to screen edge and still work. As I said above, a text field can work the same way and give a more acurate value indication... though a knob position may be enough gives a quick visual relative idea that may be more useful. -- Len Ovens www.ovenwerks.net ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] User eXperience in Linux Audio
Sure. This was only an example. It could have been any other feature or GUI element. On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 6:05 AM, Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com wrote: Linux Audio packages are plagued by reasons that are relevant to the developer, but which should be irrelevant to the user. I don't care if dev thinks knobs are a bad idea, I want a knob and not a text field, because it is easier to use on stage. I don't care if dev has a technical reason to have a text field instead of a knob. I need a knob, because it is easier to use on stage. Just one little note here. Back in 2001, I read an article in the US Keyboard magazine that made a strong case for stopping the use of skuomorphic GUIs (knobs etc) for a variety of reasons. It wasn't written by a software developer, but a musician. He was bemoaning how limited GUIs for audio software were because of their attempt to present things that look like hardware controls. So mileage may vary here. There are users with very different workflows, ideas, needs and backgrounds, and some of them don't want knobs. They could of course be a tiny minority and developers might be better off ignoring them. But it isn't true that text fields = developer centric, knobs = user centric. -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/ ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GuitarSynth
Am Wed, 22. Apr 2015 um 09:45:23 +0200 schrieb Gerald:
Hi Gerald,
Sorry, forgot to commit :) git push did nothing, and I didn't see it.
attached you find a patch to get rid of an other ugly warning message
which also enables a slightly smarter frequency number display.
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diff --git a/mainwindow.cpp b/mainwindow.cpp
index fc31f9b..2082807 100644
--- a/mainwindow.cpp
+++ b/mainwindow.cpp
@@ -21,7 +21,7 @@ This file is part of GuitarSynth2.
#include gausssynth.h
#include sawsynth.h
#include QVBoxLayout
-#include strstream
+
MainWindow::MainWindow(QWidget *parent) :
QWidget(parent),
ui(new Ui::MainWindow)
@@ -76,7 +76,7 @@ QWidget * MainWindow::getSynthArea()
void MainWindow::updateFreqLabel(float val)
{
-strstream t;
-tvalstd::endl;
-ui-freqLab-setText(QString::fromStdString(t.str()));
+QString t;
+t.setNum(val);
+ui-freqLab-setText(t);
}
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[LAD] Any recommended USB Speakers?
I don't understand why speakers are using the analog output cable for sound. How about, use a digital interface like HDMI or USB? Can anyone recommend high quality speakers I can purchase which use a digital interface to my computer? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] LAC2015 Aftermath: The LAC2014 Percussion Combo Kit now available
[The posting to LAA is awaiting moderator approval for 2 days, so I take the liberty of cross-posting] Hi, during LAC2015 in Mainz last week, I gave a lightning talk on what I called The LAC2014 Percussion Combo. It was a presentation about a little field recording session conducted one year earlier, during LAC2014 in Karlsruhe, and what I made out of it. The data is now finally online, including the actual sample library kit (individual wav files) with a mapping file for Hydrogen, a tiny demo pattern, and a demo song called That's LAC that came to life out of nowhere - well, I guess I'll simply call it my first Linux Audio release ever :-). Read all about it here: http://linuxaudio.de/wp/?p=158 Thanks go out to the individual artists whose performance I had the honour to record: Marc Groenewegen, Pjotr Lasschuit, Nils Gey, Bernard Tressol, Michael Seeber, Stefano Pedrinazzi, Marie-Kristin Meier, and Fernando Lopez-Lezcano. Enjoy, Frank ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] Any recommended USB Speakers?
Build your own with some (nice, affordable) boards from Hong Kong: http://www.yuan-jing.com/dacs-decoder On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com wrote: I am imagining this setup: Plug a USB or HDMI cable into my computer. Plug the other end into a hub. 5 speakers and a subwoofer all plug into the hub. Plug the hub into a AC power outlet. So there would still be one DAC, and it would be in the hub. Is a DAC really that expensive? Why can't they be everywhere? On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand why speakers are using the analog output cable for sound. How about, use a digital interface like HDMI or USB? someone you need to convert from digital to analog. do you want one DAC per speaker when you could have one DAC per computer? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] Any recommended USB Speakers?
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand why speakers are using the analog output cable for sound. How about, use a digital interface like HDMI or USB? someone you need to convert from digital to analog. do you want one DAC per speaker when you could have one DAC per computer? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] Any recommended USB Speakers?
I am imagining this setup: Plug a USB or HDMI cable into my computer. Plug the other end into a hub. 5 speakers and a subwoofer all plug into the hub. Plug the hub into a AC power outlet. So there would still be one DAC, and it would be in the hub. Is a DAC really that expensive? Why can't they be everywhere? On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand why speakers are using the analog output cable for sound. How about, use a digital interface like HDMI or USB? someone you need to convert from digital to analog. do you want one DAC per speaker when you could have one DAC per computer? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] User eXperience in Linux Audio
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 06:34:25AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: A knob is ok if it works similar. Knobs that insist that I touch the knob pointer and move that in a tiny arch to adjust and where the pointer flips from one end to the other if I make the wrong move are not easier to move on stage... That's just bad design. A knob picture is fine, it shows the user this is a continuously variable control while using a lot less screen realestate than a slider would. Exactly. Also our vision is much better at perceiving angles than linear positions, in particular in situations where you have to verify something quickly. Something similar is true for real knobs. They provide support for your hand while you're using them. Try controlling a linear fader on a portable recorder while you're running. A knob that looks like a knob but works like a slider is what is needed. Being able to change value by moving the knob (or trying to) up and down or left and right is much more usable than trying to move the mouse in tiny circles. I would suggest being able to adjust using both up/down and left/right so that controls can be close to screen edge and still work. All the 'rotary' controls on my apps work that way. And you can also adjust them with the mouse wheel. Finer steps with Shift pressed. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] Any recommended USB Speakers?
On 04/22/15 21:33, Andrew Kelley wrote: Plug a USB or HDMI cable into my computer. Plug the other end into a hub. 5 speakers and a subwoofer all plug into the hub. You can have exactly this with Audio-over-Ethernet (AES67 is all the rage these days), but you would be surprised how expensive this stuff is. There are indeed speakers that feature an Ethernet port, but we're talking USD1000 here. Each. If you only want digital, there are plenty of speakers with S/PDIF or AES/EBU input. Of course, you'd need an S/PDIF or AES/EBU output, but many computers have an S/PDIF out or can get one via USB. Cheers ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] User eXperience in Linux Audio
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 08:43:11AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: Just one little note here. Back in 2001, I read an article in the US Keyboard magazine that made a strong case for stopping the use of skuomorphic GUIs (knobs etc) for a variety of reasons. It wasn't written by a software developer, but a musician. He was bemoaning how limited GUIs for audio software were because of their attempt to present things that look like hardware controls. There are different grades of that of course. Chickenheads, screws, handles and ventilation holes in a plugin GUI just look silly IMHO. But an 'abstracted' version of a rotary control can make sense, it has some advantages over most alternatives. On the other extreme, I find the 'standard' widgets offered by most GUI toolkits completely useless on anything that is supposed to be 'technical' (including audio apps) rather than an office application. People writing 'GUI standards' and trying to force them on everyone should have a look at e.g. a modern 'glass cockpit'. I mean the real thing - Boeing or Airbus, not the Garmin etc. thingies used by sports pilots that look like (and probabaly are) Windows apps. This is a very complex environment. A large amount of information, often competing for attention, has to be displayed accurately and unambiguously, in a way that is comfortable to be viewed for hours on end, and that also remains functional in emergency situations that may require split-second decisions. A lot of research and effort has gone into designing these things. You won't find a single 'standard' widget on those displays. Nor skeuomorphic imitations of traditional flight instruments. The only thing that still looks a bit traditional would be the attitude indicator on the PFD, but even that will be a very abstract version of the old mechanical one. All of it is designed to be purely functional, no frills, no eye- candy. Even the MCDUs (the things on the central console that look like a calculator on steroids) have their own interface style and conventions that will be quite different from what you may expect. And that's not because this is a primitive, conservative, or 'ten years behind the state of the art' technology - these systems are among the most advanced you can find anywhere. The same, but probably less extreme, you'll find in almost all 'technical' environments where function is more important than looks or tradition. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GuitarSynth
Would the pitch detection be easier with a hex pickup with individual channels for each string? On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Gerald gerald.mwa...@gmx.de wrote: Hi Guido, thanks for the patch. I applied and pushed it up. Haven't tested it though. I'm thinking of using falktx's DPF lib to make GuitarSynth a plugin. Will deal with that on friday. Meanwhile, can someone point me to a paper or some code on polyphonic pitch detection or even blind source separation? Lg Gerald On 22.04.2015 19:53, Guido Scholz wrote: attached you find a patch to get rid of an other ugly warning message ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] User eXperience in Linux Audio
Op 23-apr.-2015 00:14 schreef Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 08:43:11AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: Just one little note here. Back in 2001, I read an article in the US Keyboard magazine that made a strong case for stopping the use of skuomorphic GUIs (knobs etc) for a variety of reasons. It wasn't written by a software developer, but a musician. He was bemoaning how limited GUIs for audio software were because of their attempt to present things that look like hardware controls. There are different grades of that of course. Chickenheads, screws, handles and ventilation holes in a plugin GUI just look silly IMHO. But an 'abstracted' version of a rotary control can make sense, it has some advantages over most alternatives. On the other extreme, I find the 'standard' widgets offered by most GUI toolkits completely useless on anything that is supposed to be 'technical' (including audio apps) rather than an office application. People writing 'GUI standards' and trying to force them on everyone should have a look at e.g. a modern 'glass cockpit'. We are not talking about someone that suddenly decided to make up there own set rules and then tried to fore it upon us We are talking about a group of people that conducted a study on a large group of random users, and based on that study they defined a set of guidelines for us to use ... or ignore #freedom :-) I mean the real thing - Boeing or Airbus, not the Garmin etc. thingies used by sports pilots that look like (and probabaly are) Windows apps. This is a very complex environment. A large amount of information, often competing for attention, has to be displayed accurately and unambiguously, in a way that is comfortable to be viewed for hours on end, and that also remains functional in emergency situations that may require split-second decisions. A lot of research and effort has gone into designing these things. You won't find a single 'standard' widget on those displays. Nor skeuomorphic imitations of traditional flight instruments. The only thing that still looks a bit traditional would be the attitude indicator on the PFD, but even that will be a very abstract version of the old mechanical one. All of it is designed to be purely functional, no frills, no eye- candy. Even the MCDUs (the things on the central console that look like a calculator on steroids) have their own interface style and conventions that will be quite different from what you may expect. And that's not because this is a primitive, conservative, or 'ten years behind the state of the art' technology - these systems are among the most advanced you can find anywhere. The same, but probably less extreme, you'll find in almost all 'technical' environments where function is more important than looks or tradition. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on self-delusion, nerd hubris and hysterically inflated market opportunities. (Cory Doctorow) ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] User eXperience in Linux Audio
I would like to comment on two things in your list: Am 19.04.2015 um 00:40 schrieb Harry van Haaren: 1: Splash Screen I would rephrase that to: show something as quickly as possible. If you need to load stuff, do it in the background, but show the main GUI window already (possibly with a loading progress meter in the status bar or similar?). This gives the user the opportunity to load a different preset or close the app/plugin again as quickly as possible. Speaking of: 2: Presets Going a step further than the usual preset selection drop-down boxes: having a dedicated preset browser can be very nice. This can be integrated into the main gui view or replace it on a button click or open in new non-model window (not ideal IMHO). The u-he plugins (e.g. TyrellN6) give a good example of this. https://youtu.be/1FQ_Hpyh7rs?t=109 Having such a browser gives the opportunity to attach and show meta info on the presets, such as author, description, tags etc. and use them to organize and find presets easier. Also, please make the presets switchable via a keyboard shortcut, via the plugin host and via MIDI program changes (the latter esp. if it is a standalone program)! Chris signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] Any recommended USB Speakers?
HDMI cables will add up latency (because of the TV/monitor processing), some ms but perceptible if you're recording a live performance and monitoring it. One DAC per speaker may cause time drift problems. The best solution is use a high-quality external soundcard with studio monitors. onboard soundcards tend to have sub-par components that add up noise and have less-than-optimal frequency response. Even a Behringer UCA222 is better than the general onboard DACs. 2015-04-22 16:52 GMT-03:00 Charles Z Henry czhe...@gmail.com: Build your own with some (nice, affordable) boards from Hong Kong: http://www.yuan-jing.com/dacs-decoder On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com wrote: I am imagining this setup: Plug a USB or HDMI cable into my computer. Plug the other end into a hub. 5 speakers and a subwoofer all plug into the hub. Plug the hub into a AC power outlet. So there would still be one DAC, and it would be in the hub. Is a DAC really that expensive? Why can't they be everywhere? On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:30 PM Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Andrew Kelley superjo...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand why speakers are using the analog output cable for sound. How about, use a digital interface like HDMI or USB? someone you need to convert from digital to analog. do you want one DAC per speaker when you could have one DAC per computer? ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
[LAD] Clean version of Advanced Gtk+ Sequencer 0.4.2-52
Hi, Clean version available of Advanced Gtk+ Sequencer: http://gsequencer.org/downloads/ags-0_4_2-52.tar.bz2 A half year later after releasing 0.4.2 its end is fourseeing, for now me should be able to do extensive testing. To compile and run: ./configure make ags ./ags bests Joël Krähemann ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] Any recommended USB Speakers?
On 04/22/2015 09:10 PM, Andrew Kelley wrote: I don't understand why speakers are using the analog output cable for sound. How about, use a digital interface like HDMI or USB? Can anyone recommend high quality speakers I can purchase which use a digital interface to my computer? For a simple home setup, I am happy with these: Alesis M1 Active 520 USB / Hans --- Hans Wilmers NOTAM Sandakerveien 24 D, bygg F3 N-0473 Oslo Norway mob.: +47 92459361 http://www.notam02.no ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio Berlin user group
Hey all, May 6th works out for me too. 8PM sounds good also. -w On Wed, 22 Apr 2015, at 09:04, David Runge wrote: Excellent. The less mailman to configure for me on Debian-based systems, the better! ;) May 6th sounds good! Any thoughts on what time? I suppose early evening? 8PM okay? So many new mailing lists with interesting topics as of late! I just subscribed to the one you mentioned below. What are your DNS issues exactly? Zone file/ MX record related? Seems okay from the outside (if you host your stuff on gandi exclusively): host -t MX linuxaudio.berlin linuxaudio.berlin mail is handled by 50 fb.mail.gandi.net. linuxaudio.berlin mail is handled by 10 spool.mail.gandi.net. See ya soon, hopefully. Best, David On 22.04.2015 00:37, Sam Tuke wrote: Hi All, On 21/04/15 15:07, Bruno Gola wrote: There were lot's of Berliners at LAC 2015 and after talking to some of them we thought it would be nice to start a linux audio user group here in Berlin. Keen to hear who's interested and agree a date for our first meet :) I've got the domain up and running, will put a more interesting front page on there soon, and also get Mailman ready for the new discuss list (as Bruno mentioned it's setup except for DNS). On 21/04/15 16:54, Nils Gey wrote: that is very good to hear! On behalf of the Open Source Audio Meeting Cologne I wish you luck. Great to hear from you Nils and thanks for your advice. No chance of keeping it social as I'm a total misanthrope. Not really ;) On 21/04/15 22:10, Harry van Haaren wrote: I'm visiting berlin from the 4th to the 11th - and being a Linux Audio head I'd love to meet you all (again) soon :) Of course if that doesn't suit for any reason, don't worry about it! Brill :) Coming to do some audio-related project? Let's have an LA beer. On 21/04/15 22:05, David Runge wrote: I'd be totally up for the Berlin group. Happy to hear it -- will add you to the discussion list momentarily. Is it possible to create an additional mailing list on this server? The new list actually already exists can also be subscribed to (here http://linuxaudio.berlin/mailman/listinfo/discuss) but emails sent to it aren't arriving just yet as I haven't had time to fix the DNS records, as we mentioned. The list and a more useful website than the current holding page will be up and running soon. C-base would be an awesome place I think! Let us know about what happens next! I think C-Base is a good bet too (also as I'm a member). If you've read this far and want to come, would Wednesday May 6th work for you? That would mean Harry could attend the first meeting too. Best, Sam. ___ Linux-audio-user mailing list linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- David Runge Köpenicker Straße 163 10997 Berlin +491781436915 http://www.sleepmap.de ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev Email had 1 attachment: + signature.asc 1k (application/pgp-signature) ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio Berlin user group
Excellent. The less mailman to configure for me on Debian-based systems, the better! ;) May 6th sounds good! Any thoughts on what time? I suppose early evening? 8PM okay? So many new mailing lists with interesting topics as of late! I just subscribed to the one you mentioned below. What are your DNS issues exactly? Zone file/ MX record related? Seems okay from the outside (if you host your stuff on gandi exclusively): host -t MX linuxaudio.berlin linuxaudio.berlin mail is handled by 50 fb.mail.gandi.net. linuxaudio.berlin mail is handled by 10 spool.mail.gandi.net. See ya soon, hopefully. Best, David On 22.04.2015 00:37, Sam Tuke wrote: Hi All, On 21/04/15 15:07, Bruno Gola wrote: There were lot's of Berliners at LAC 2015 and after talking to some of them we thought it would be nice to start a linux audio user group here in Berlin. Keen to hear who's interested and agree a date for our first meet :) I've got the domain up and running, will put a more interesting front page on there soon, and also get Mailman ready for the new discuss list (as Bruno mentioned it's setup except for DNS). On 21/04/15 16:54, Nils Gey wrote: that is very good to hear! On behalf of the Open Source Audio Meeting Cologne I wish you luck. Great to hear from you Nils and thanks for your advice. No chance of keeping it social as I'm a total misanthrope. Not really ;) On 21/04/15 22:10, Harry van Haaren wrote: I'm visiting berlin from the 4th to the 11th - and being a Linux Audio head I'd love to meet you all (again) soon :) Of course if that doesn't suit for any reason, don't worry about it! Brill :) Coming to do some audio-related project? Let's have an LA beer. On 21/04/15 22:05, David Runge wrote: I'd be totally up for the Berlin group. Happy to hear it -- will add you to the discussion list momentarily. Is it possible to create an additional mailing list on this server? The new list actually already exists can also be subscribed to (here http://linuxaudio.berlin/mailman/listinfo/discuss) but emails sent to it aren't arriving just yet as I haven't had time to fix the DNS records, as we mentioned. The list and a more useful website than the current holding page will be up and running soon. C-base would be an awesome place I think! Let us know about what happens next! I think C-Base is a good bet too (also as I'm a member). If you've read this far and want to come, would Wednesday May 6th work for you? That would mean Harry could attend the first meeting too. Best, Sam. ___ Linux-audio-user mailing list linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- David Runge Köpenicker Straße 163 10997 Berlin +491781436915 http://www.sleepmap.de signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] GuitarSynth
Sorry, forgot to commit :) git push did nothing, and I didn't see it. Lg Gerald On 21.04.2015 20:49, Guido Scholz wrote: but a git push seem to be missing yet. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
Re: [LAD] User eXperience in Linux Audio
Hey everyone! I was reading what you, Fons, wrote, and I must say that I very strongly disagree with the direction your arguments are taking. 1. If a developer holds some views that go against those of the average user he will have some very good reasons for that. I guess this is irrelevant to the average user. And it instantly puts your views outside of most people's workflow needs. Additionally, the phrase good reasons is too ambiguous. Good for who? Perhaps, it is good for the developer, but not for the user. Linux Audio packages are plagued by reasons that are relevant to the developer, but which should be irrelevant to the user. I don't care if dev thinks knobs are a bad idea, I want a knob and not a text field, because it is easier to use on stage. I don't care if dev has a technical reason to have a text field instead of a knob. I need a knob, because it is easier to use on stage. In the end, what you are suggesting is developer-centered world, not user-centered. Which is fine philosophy, but then you should understand that the likely consequence of that would be software which is generally not useful to anyone but a select few. 2. There is *no reason at all* to assume that the average user's ideas are 'the right ones'. Actually, there is very good reason. Things that end up in most software are things that have survived the evolution and natural selection of software. Standard user interfaces are backed up by the endorsement of many-many actual users, who havin invested in the software, who have used it professionally and have chosen them over other user interfaces. Just look at the history of DAWs on Windows and see how UI and workflows have evolved. There is great deal to learn from it. Unlike most of the Linux world, proprietary software is under severe competitive pressure. That means that bad work, difficult to use GUIs and useless features generally do not survive. 3. They way typical Windows SW works is not dictated by user interest. It is determined entirely by the short-term views of marketeers. Oh really. Can you back this up with actual evidence? Most commercial companies are extremely user-centric. Especially DAWs. They are geared towards musicians needs and most of these companies are religiously dedicated to their users. Are you saying Ableton Live is driven by short-term view of marketeers? Can you prove that? Can you explain why Ableton hired a whole number of actual performing musicians to help them test their software? Or that they have a room-full of people testing their software *everyday*? Can you show evidence that Image Line does not care about user feedback and have some short-term marketing views? Have you ever seen how these companies interact with the user and what level of feedback and actual feedback-based development is going on there? Have you ever actually used their software in studio and on stage? Honestly, I think this is a statement that you will not be able to back up. It is simply not true. 4. If it were no user would ever have any reason to abandon Windows and go for Linux. This statement assumes that the only reason people move to Linux is because they do not like non-Linux software. Which is a highly questionable statement. Among all my friends not one cites that reason as the chief one. In fact, many people miss the great proprietary software they had and wish something like that would emerge in the FLOSS scene. No, a great many people move to Linux for ideological reasons and in some areas for security and financial reasons. But I am yet to meet a person who has a wide range of interests and who has moved to Linux because he does not like non-Linux software. Most of it is clearly superior and such a move is possible in singular cases of extremely niche products that do indeed exist only on Linux, usually of very technical nature. It would be interesting to make a more or less scientific study of that. Perhaps some exist? But surely, the initial statement is doubtful and requires more than just someone's word for it. 5. Every time the Linux community adopts some stupid Windows 'standard' for the sole reason that it is 'what users expect', this goes against its own long term interests. If Linux ever becomes the perfect Windows clone then it has destroyed its main reason to exist, which is to be different and better. I guess I am not aware Linux community has any long term interests. Last time I checked, Linux community is a diverse group of people with very different interests. Not to mention that your version of long term interests (to be different and better) is highly ambiguous, difficult to formalize and open to all sorts of interpretations. And, of course, I would like to know what kind of stupid Windows standards we are talking about. A number of user-centric features that Linux Audio packages often lack do not seem stupid to me. Is the ability of a delay plugin to automatically get the hosts tempo - a stupid Windows
Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio Berlin user group
Nice! May 6th is good :) []'s On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:07 AM, William Light w...@illest.net wrote: Hey all, May 6th works out for me too. 8PM sounds good also. -w On Wed, 22 Apr 2015, at 09:04, David Runge wrote: Excellent. The less mailman to configure for me on Debian-based systems, the better! ;) May 6th sounds good! Any thoughts on what time? I suppose early evening? 8PM okay? So many new mailing lists with interesting topics as of late! I just subscribed to the one you mentioned below. What are your DNS issues exactly? Zone file/ MX record related? Seems okay from the outside (if you host your stuff on gandi exclusively): host -t MX linuxaudio.berlin linuxaudio.berlin mail is handled by 50 fb.mail.gandi.net. linuxaudio.berlin mail is handled by 10 spool.mail.gandi.net. See ya soon, hopefully. Best, David On 22.04.2015 00:37, Sam Tuke wrote: Hi All, On 21/04/15 15:07, Bruno Gola wrote: There were lot's of Berliners at LAC 2015 and after talking to some of them we thought it would be nice to start a linux audio user group here in Berlin. Keen to hear who's interested and agree a date for our first meet :) I've got the domain up and running, will put a more interesting front page on there soon, and also get Mailman ready for the new discuss list (as Bruno mentioned it's setup except for DNS). On 21/04/15 16:54, Nils Gey wrote: that is very good to hear! On behalf of the Open Source Audio Meeting Cologne I wish you luck. Great to hear from you Nils and thanks for your advice. No chance of keeping it social as I'm a total misanthrope. Not really ;) On 21/04/15 22:10, Harry van Haaren wrote: I'm visiting berlin from the 4th to the 11th - and being a Linux Audio head I'd love to meet you all (again) soon :) Of course if that doesn't suit for any reason, don't worry about it! Brill :) Coming to do some audio-related project? Let's have an LA beer. On 21/04/15 22:05, David Runge wrote: I'd be totally up for the Berlin group. Happy to hear it -- will add you to the discussion list momentarily. Is it possible to create an additional mailing list on this server? The new list actually already exists can also be subscribed to (here http://linuxaudio.berlin/mailman/listinfo/discuss) but emails sent to it aren't arriving just yet as I haven't had time to fix the DNS records, as we mentioned. The list and a more useful website than the current holding page will be up and running soon. C-base would be an awesome place I think! Let us know about what happens next! I think C-Base is a good bet too (also as I'm a member). If you've read this far and want to come, would Wednesday May 6th work for you? That would mean Harry could attend the first meeting too. Best, Sam. ___ Linux-audio-user mailing list linux-audio-u...@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user -- David Runge Köpenicker Straße 163 10997 Berlin +491781436915 http://www.sleepmap.de ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev Email had 1 attachment: + signature.asc 1k (application/pgp-signature) ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev -- Bruno Gola brunog...@gmail.com http://bgo.la/ ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev
