Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Thomas Brand]

On Mon, December 4, 2017 10:37, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> On the train on an off-day, I started a rough mix-down so that the
> client can begin the selection process. In the middle of exporting, my Mac
> shuts down and boots into a PIN unlock screen, telling me it has been
> locked via "Find-my-Mac".

Scary that this can happen out of the blue .. !
Another issue is that most standard gear has the IME which if vulnerable
is the door to more such fun.
Thanks for sharing the experience,

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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Robin Gareus]

On 12/04/2017 06:52 PM, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> On 12/04/2017 01:30 PM, Robin Gareus wrote:
> 
>> Seeing as this was in a train, and last I looked the DB-network was wide
>> open, I'm curious if this was actually a hack by guy in another
>> train-compartment or perhaps a subverted access-point exploiting some OS
>> X vulnerability.
> 
> I was connected to my own phone hotspot. So unless it's a very low-level
> WLAN interface vulnerability, a local wireless exploit seems unlikely.
> 
> I'm pretty sure the kill message did come from the iCloud (a service
> which I'm not using and which I don't indent to ever use) using the
> Find-my-Mac feature. I was _never_ given an option to opt out of this
> feature, and it was never made clear to me that I was carrying a
> time-bomb (with remote wipe option) that would enable unknown third
> parties to potentially cause five-digit damages on a whim.

It's probably all in some EULA smallprint, and your visit to the
Apple-store will be rather unspectacular.

You said earlier "[the macbook] had been factory-reset and completely
installed from scratch." According to the doc, clearing the NVRAM or
PRAM should disable "Find-My-Mac". Then again, since any Apple-store can
un-brick it if you show them a proof-of-purchase, there's yet another
backdoor...

Anyway, I'm glad you were able to get all the data from it.
May I ask how? http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/ ?

Cheers!
robin

PS. As atonement for your sin, I suggest hosting the next Linux Audio
Conference ;-))
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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Len Ovens]

On Mon, 4 Dec 2017, Neil C Smith wrote:


On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM Louigi Verona  wrote:
  And in my experience, proprietary systems are generally much more
  stable than floss, and are less likely to fail suddenly and without
  warning.


ha ha ha ha ha ha ha  oh, wait .. you're serious?! ;-)

There's a reason I use FLOSS, and it's because my personal experience is
absolutely the opposite of this.


+1, our family has started out with a number of windows machines (mostly 
laptops) and my wife has said she wanted to keep the windows in there. 
That normally lasts about a week before I get "put what you have in my 
computer please". This from someone who uses their computer for browsing, 
skype, and word processing.


I can't talk about Macs, they are out of our price range.

It is unfortunate that some of the big players in the Linux world have 
decided "covergence" is a good thing. I really, really, do not want my 
desktop/laptop to work like a 5inch phone thank you very much. I actually 
do work on my machine. Thankfully, Linux does offer more than one DE and 
one can find work helpers buried, but still there if they need to.


I have worked in a large company who used windows as the corperate system 
because there was someone to sue if things broke too badly. At the time 
the microvax was still used for realtime stuff (machine control) with NT for 
data massaging. However, the install disks we were supplied with (to 
install NT) were all basic linux on a cd with dd to install the image. We 
also found that most trouble shooting was best done with a linux rescue 
disk. Backups were all done with a linux dd too. Do note, I have been away 
from the technical end for over 10 years now (it let me move out of the 
Vancouver area and onto Vancouver Island and less than 1 hour to get to 
work for 2 hours saved a day) and I know there are new machines that have 
been installed. I am sure they do not use MicroVax as there is no one 
around to sue if it quits but I do not know what they do use. There was 
some experimenting with Red Hat by the IT department (remember someone to 
sue, and this company is big enough that they did use lawsuit as a 
negotiating tool - often).


My experience with proprietary software as someone whos job is to keep 
things running has been if it's broken... live with it somehow. Even the 
smallest SW fix was $10k so they weren't done often and then only when the 
fixes were a list, never a single bug. In older times, the machine control 
SW was written in house, well understood and fixed as needed.


I also remember the days when hardware automatically came with a full 
schematic.


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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Kevin Cole]

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM Louigi Verona 
wrote:

> And in my experience, proprietary systems are generally much more stable
> than floss, and are less likely to fail suddenly and without warning.

If, by stable, you mean what's broken stays broken, then I agree, ;-)
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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Kevin Cole]

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:09 AM, Louigi Verona  wrote:

> Proprietary software does not automatically mean vendor lock-in. A function
> to block stolen laptops has nothing to do with vendor lock-in. It is a
> useful feature that, frankly, I would love to have on Linux as well.

If you're serious about wanting some stolen laptop protection for
Linux, I've used Prey for about 3 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prey_(software)

That's not a ringing endorsement, since the laptops I use it on have
not been stolen. I can only say that it hasn't gotten in my way, and
that one of the computers goes for quite some time without being used
and Prey occasionally notifies me "Hey, I haven't seen laptop
so-and-so in a while... Do you know where your children are?"

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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Luddy Harrison]

t; > Long story short: don't.
> Holy...
>
> Glad you got your data at least. This would also freak me out a lot...
>
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> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:37 AM, J?rn Nettingsmeier <
> netti...@stackingdwarves.net> wrote:
>
> > Long story short: don't.
>
>
> Holy cow.
>
> I like funny war stories like these. Of course it's only funny if you're
> not bitten yourself. :( I feel with you.
>
> At least you got a 2013 MB which is still half-decent hardware compared to
> the fancy shiny thingies they sell for premium prices these days. Where you
> can gain root without a password and need a USB-C dongle of substantial
> size to connect to just about *any* kind of useful, non-snowflake
> peripheral. Well, at least it connects to your power supply, isn't that
> great? :)
>
> Take care,
> Albert
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> To: Albert Graef <aggr...@gmail.com>
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> Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.
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> You realize, of course, that this is probably a bug and that this was not
> intended by Apple? You should also understand that millions of people are
> using Macs everyday and their data doesn't get lost, right?
>
> Because, if not, I can supply many-many stories where I would loose data
> because of stupid Linux machines, lose gigs because suddenly the music
> software wouldn't start, although it did just yesterday. There are enough
> problems that stem from software not having an owner that from it "being
> controlled" by someone else. And then after bashing Linux, I can finish my
> email with a dramatic "don't".
>
> Any system can fail, and it is never at the right time. And in my
> experience, proprietary systems are generally much more stable than floss,
> and are less likely to fail suddenly and without warning.
>
> For instance, when preparing for the Sonoj convention, I had Carla start
> crashing on me and I could not complete music examples. I eventually had to
> revert to FLStudio to make them.
>
> At the Sonoj Convention, 10 minutes before my dj set, Mixxx has deleted all
> of my tracks library and I had to frantically search for a fix. I found a
> workaround, but could not include a couple of new tunes into the set.
>
> Did I write a post blaming floss for that? No.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Albert Graef <aggr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:37 AM, J?rn Nettingsmeier <
> > netti...@stackingdwarves.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Long story short: don't.
> >
> >
> > Holy cow.
> >
> > I like funny war stories like these. Of course it's only funny if you're
> > not bitten yourself. :( I feel with you.
> >
> > At least you got a 2013 MB which is still half-decent hardware compared
> to
> > the fancy shiny thingies they sell for premium 

Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Louigi Verona]

I would argue that when there is no customer relationship, updates can be
more lax. I mean, I am working in the software industry. When someone is
paying you and you know they are using your system for actual results, you
are very careful with your updates.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:40 PM, Neil C Smith 
wrote:

>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:31 PM Louigi Verona 
> wrote:
>
>> In my experience, an update can easily kill your system - and that
>> happened to me more than once.
>>
>
> Yes, and that happens everywhere, not specific to FLOSS.  This is about
> triaging when and which updates you apply to a working system.  And
> something for developer to keep in mind too - separation of concerns for
> security fixes, bug fixes and features.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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> www.neilcsmith.net
>
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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Neil C Smith]

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:31 PM Louigi Verona 
wrote:

> In my experience, an update can easily kill your system - and that
> happened to me more than once.
>

Yes, and that happens everywhere, not specific to FLOSS.  This is about
triaging when and which updates you apply to a working system.  And
something for developer to keep in mind too - separation of concerns for
security fixes, bug fixes and features.

Best wishes,

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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[nils]

These are all just anecdotes. If there is a bug please report or fix it.
If it is a conceptual problem that leads to misbehaviour please discuss
here specific solutions to specific problems.

Otherwise this will just be a thread with "But me..." and "But I..."
back and forth.  Keep that for LAU, please.

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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Louigi Verona]

In my experience, an update can easily kill your system - and that happened
to me more than once. And since I am not a customer, developers on the
other end must not worry about what happens. I mean, nobody owes the user
anything. "Fix it yourself, man". And it's fair.

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Neil C Smith 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:12 PM Louigi Verona 
> wrote:
>
>> Nothing in the concept of FLOSS promises floss software to actually be
>> more high quality or more stable. All it guarantees is that you can
>> distribute it and modify. So why would it magically be more stable than
>> proprietary?
>>
>
> No, I get you're serious - more amused by how different your experience is
> to my own - I'm sure I can crash a Mac by looking at them. ;-)  I'm not
> necessarily saying that there aren't problems, but that it's far less
> likely in my experience that a FLOSS system that's working solidly one day
> will behave differently the next.
>
> But actually there is something in FLOSS that I think does sometimes make
> for more stable software, if less featured - there's no money to be made in
> fixing bugs.
>
> Mind you, my usual response to anyone asking me why I work with FLOSS is
> that I got fed up of paying for software that doesn't work properly - we've
> got all our own shit that doesn't work properly, but at least I don't feel
> like I've been screwed over. ;-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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>
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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Robin Gareus]

On 12/04/2017 11:52 AM, Louigi Verona wrote:
> You should also understand that millions of people are
> using Macs everyday and their data doesn't get lost, right?

I actually don't know a Mac user who hasn't been burnt and they all use
TimeCapsules or iCloud or dropbox or a similar backup solution.

I've seen a many master-students who are writing their thesis on OS X to
send it to themselves or friends by email every other hour as backup.
Only few of them embraced git, because sending an email is just too trivial.


Anyway Joern's story is not about loosing files, but being locked out of
the machine (!).

Seeing as this was in a train, and last I looked the DB-network was wide
open, I'm curious if this was actually a hack by guy in another
train-compartment or perhaps a subverted access-point exploiting some OS
X vulnerability.


> Because, if not, I can supply many-many stories where I would loose data
> because of stupid Linux machines, lose gigs because suddenly the music
> software wouldn't start, although it did just yesterday. There are enough
> problems that stem from software not having an owner that from it "being
> controlled" by someone else. And then after bashing Linux, I can finish my
> email with a dramatic "don't".
> 
> Any system can fail, and it is never at the right time. And in my
> experience, proprietary systems are generally much more stable than floss,
> and are less likely to fail suddenly and without warning.
> 
> For instance, when preparing for the Sonoj convention, I had Carla start
> crashing on me and I could not complete music examples. I eventually had to
> revert to FLStudio to make them.
> 
> At the Sonoj Convention, 10 minutes before my dj set, Mixxx has deleted all
> of my tracks library and I had to frantically search for a fix. I found a
> workaround, but could not include a couple of new tunes into the set.
> 
> Did I write a post blaming floss for that? No.

I very much hope you did file bug reports for all those issues.


While the end-result may be the same: "fail to deliver result". Joern's
experience is quite different from what you describe.

Also note that all the software that you have mentioned comes with a
disclaimer (GPL):

  This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
  but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
  MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

..writing a blaming blog post is a non-starter if you accept the license.

2c,
robin
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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Neil C Smith]

Hi,

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:12 PM Louigi Verona 
wrote:

> Nothing in the concept of FLOSS promises floss software to actually be
> more high quality or more stable. All it guarantees is that you can
> distribute it and modify. So why would it magically be more stable than
> proprietary?
>

No, I get you're serious - more amused by how different your experience is
to my own - I'm sure I can crash a Mac by looking at them. ;-)  I'm not
necessarily saying that there aren't problems, but that it's far less
likely in my experience that a FLOSS system that's working solidly one day
will behave differently the next.

But actually there is something in FLOSS that I think does sometimes make
for more stable software, if less featured - there's no money to be made in
fixing bugs.

Mind you, my usual response to anyone asking me why I work with FLOSS is
that I got fed up of paying for software that doesn't work properly - we've
got all our own shit that doesn't work properly, but at least I don't feel
like I've been screwed over. ;-)

Best wishes,

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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Louigi Verona]

I am very serious, Neil. I am glad that your personal experience is
different. You were able to build a system that works well for you. As a
person who works a lot with multimedia, I can tell you that a proprietary
video editor will be in most cases much more stable than a floss one. And
why shouldn't it? Teams are working on it 40 hours every week, all year
round.

Nothing in the concept of FLOSS promises floss software to actually be more
high quality or more stable. All it guarantees is that you can distribute
it and modify. So why would it magically be more stable than proprietary?

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Neil C Smith 
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM Louigi Verona 
> wrote:
>
>> And in my experience, proprietary systems are generally much more stable
>> than floss, and are less likely to fail suddenly and without warning.
>>
>
> ha ha ha ha ha ha ha  oh, wait .. you're serious?! ;-)
>
> There's a reason I use FLOSS, and it's because my personal experience is
> absolutely the opposite of this.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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>
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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Neil C Smith]

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:52 AM Louigi Verona 
wrote:

> And in my experience, proprietary systems are generally much more stable
> than floss, and are less likely to fail suddenly and without warning.
>

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha  oh, wait .. you're serious?! ;-)

There's a reason I use FLOSS, and it's because my personal experience is
absolutely the opposite of this.

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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Louigi Verona]

Proprietary software does not automatically mean vendor lock-in. A function
to block stolen laptops has nothing to do with vendor lock-in. It is a
useful feature that, frankly, I would love to have on Linux as well.

But also no, I did not compare free software and vendor lock-in. I compared
the problems generated by both of these situations. And that if on the
basis of a problem with proprietary software the OP seemed to be ok with
saying "don't" to the whole proprietary system (that works very-very well
99.9% of the time), then consistently applied such an approach should lead
him to say "no" to all of Linux as well.



On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 1:01 PM, David Runge  wrote:

> On 2017-12-04 11:52:30 (+0100), Louigi Verona wrote:
> > You realize, of course, that this is probably a bug and that this was not
> > intended by Apple? You should also understand that millions of people are
> > using Macs everyday and their data doesn't get lost, right?
> Probably.
>
> But do you really want to compare vendor lock-in with your personal
> problems with free software?
> Apples and oranges.
>
> > Because, if not, I can supply many-many stories where I would loose data
> > because of stupid Linux machines, lose gigs because suddenly the music
> > software wouldn't start, although it did just yesterday. There are enough
> > problems that stem from software not having an owner that from it "being
> > controlled" by someone else. And then after bashing Linux, I can finish
> my
> > email with a dramatic "don't".
> >
> > Any system can fail, and it is never at the right time. And in my
> > experience, proprietary systems are generally much more stable than
> floss,
> > and are less likely to fail suddenly and without warning.
> >
> > For instance, when preparing for the Sonoj convention, I had Carla start
> > crashing on me and I could not complete music examples. I eventually had
> to
> > revert to FLStudio to make them.
> >
> > At the Sonoj Convention, 10 minutes before my dj set, Mixxx has deleted
> all
> > of my tracks library and I had to frantically search for a fix. I found a
> > workaround, but could not include a couple of new tunes into the set.
> >
> > Did I write a post blaming floss for that? No.
> Software has bugs. Your setup might as well.
> I had Ardour crash on me during a performance. Shit happens. I still use
> it ;-)
>
>
> Best,
> David
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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[David Runge]

On 2017-12-04 11:52:30 (+0100), Louigi Verona wrote:
> You realize, of course, that this is probably a bug and that this was not
> intended by Apple? You should also understand that millions of people are
> using Macs everyday and their data doesn't get lost, right?
Probably.

But do you really want to compare vendor lock-in with your personal
problems with free software?
Apples and oranges.

> Because, if not, I can supply many-many stories where I would loose data
> because of stupid Linux machines, lose gigs because suddenly the music
> software wouldn't start, although it did just yesterday. There are enough
> problems that stem from software not having an owner that from it "being
> controlled" by someone else. And then after bashing Linux, I can finish my
> email with a dramatic "don't".
> 
> Any system can fail, and it is never at the right time. And in my
> experience, proprietary systems are generally much more stable than floss,
> and are less likely to fail suddenly and without warning.
> 
> For instance, when preparing for the Sonoj convention, I had Carla start
> crashing on me and I could not complete music examples. I eventually had to
> revert to FLStudio to make them.
> 
> At the Sonoj Convention, 10 minutes before my dj set, Mixxx has deleted all
> of my tracks library and I had to frantically search for a fix. I found a
> workaround, but could not include a couple of new tunes into the set.
> 
> Did I write a post blaming floss for that? No.
Software has bugs. Your setup might as well.
I had Ardour crash on me during a performance. Shit happens. I still use
it ;-)


Best,
David

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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Louigi Verona]

You realize, of course, that this is probably a bug and that this was not
intended by Apple? You should also understand that millions of people are
using Macs everyday and their data doesn't get lost, right?

Because, if not, I can supply many-many stories where I would loose data
because of stupid Linux machines, lose gigs because suddenly the music
software wouldn't start, although it did just yesterday. There are enough
problems that stem from software not having an owner that from it "being
controlled" by someone else. And then after bashing Linux, I can finish my
email with a dramatic "don't".

Any system can fail, and it is never at the right time. And in my
experience, proprietary systems are generally much more stable than floss,
and are less likely to fail suddenly and without warning.

For instance, when preparing for the Sonoj convention, I had Carla start
crashing on me and I could not complete music examples. I eventually had to
revert to FLStudio to make them.

At the Sonoj Convention, 10 minutes before my dj set, Mixxx has deleted all
of my tracks library and I had to frantically search for a fix. I found a
workaround, but could not include a couple of new tunes into the set.

Did I write a post blaming floss for that? No.






On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Albert Graef  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier <
> netti...@stackingdwarves.net> wrote:
>
>> Long story short: don't.
>
>
> Holy cow.
>
> I like funny war stories like these. Of course it's only funny if you're
> not bitten yourself. :( I feel with you.
>
> At least you got a 2013 MB which is still half-decent hardware compared to
> the fancy shiny thingies they sell for premium prices these days. Where you
> can gain root without a password and need a USB-C dongle of substantial
> size to connect to just about *any* kind of useful, non-snowflake
> peripheral. Well, at least it connects to your power supply, isn't that
> great? :)
>
> Take care,
> Albert
>
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Re: [LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Albert Graef]

On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier <
netti...@stackingdwarves.net> wrote:

> Long story short: don't.


Holy cow.

I like funny war stories like these. Of course it's only funny if you're
not bitten yourself. :( I feel with you.

At least you got a 2013 MB which is still half-decent hardware compared to
the fancy shiny thingies they sell for premium prices these days. Where you
can gain root without a password and need a USB-C dongle of substantial
size to connect to just about *any* kind of useful, non-snowflake
peripheral. Well, at least it connects to your power supply, isn't that
great? :)

Take care,
Albert

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[LAD] Forgive me, for I have sinned, or: toss your Macintosh, as fast and wide as you can.

[Jörn Nettingsmeier]

Here's me, having to deal with a 48 channel live recording over the 
course of six shows. Since my MADI gear is kinda heavy and the rental 
company had a Dante system on offer, I dusted off the 2013 Macbook pro I 
bought used, purchased a Dante virtual soundcard license from Audinate 
and happily tracked the first three shows with Ardour.


On the train on an off-day, I started a rough mix-down so that the 
client can begin the selection process. In the middle of exporting, my 
Mac shuts down and boots into a PIN unlock screen, telling me it has 
been locked via "Find-my-Mac".


For the record, this Macbook had been purchased from a reputable large 
online dealer, and it had been factory-reset and completely installed 
from scratch.


The first thing I find as I frantically research this issue (on my 
proper laptop, that is controlled by me, not by some iFuckwits), is that 
this iFeature even contains the option of a remote data wipe.
My excuses to my fellow passengers who got in the way of a stream of 
expletives suddenly bursting forth from an otherwise unobtrusive 
business traveller, as said traveller notices he doesn't have a 
screwdriver to yank his data drive out of this ransomware machine, and 
cannot even be sure it's off when it says it's off because of course the 
battery cannot be removed without major surgery, either.


Was able to salvage the data at home using a real operating system on 
real hardware, and today I'm going to find an authorized mac reseller 
and give the guy at the guru bar a day he will remember and testify 
about at the next Apple employee incentive day.


Long story short: don't.



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