Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[Robin Gareus]

On 09/27/2018 02:43 PM, Kjetil Matheussen wrote:
[...]

> For anyone who wants to give it a try,
> it might be that it's enough just using a
> newer version of VSTGUI and gtkmm than I did.
> I used gtkmm 3.16 and gtk-3.3, which probably
> are some years old old. The VSTGUI I used,
> I don't know how hold is, or where it came from.

Indeed, try to update.

VST3's VSTGUI recently removed all gtk from their toolkit.
That greatly helps to produce distributable plugins (since gtk cannot be
statically linked and also has ABI issues when combined other toolkits).

Cheers!
robin
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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[Kjetil Matheussen]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Kjetil Matheussen
 wrote:
> Daniel Swärd:
>>
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Just found out that one of the Bitwig devs has released an older (commercial)
>> project of his as open source: https://github.com/kurasu/surge
>>
>> Doesn't yet build on Linux, but quoting from the github page:
>> "It currently only builds on windows, but getting it to build on macOS again 
>> &
>> Linux should be doable with moderate effort."
>>
>> How about we get it building at the next Berlin LAU meeting?
>>
>
> I took a quick procrastination-shot at it:
> https://github.com/kmatheussen/surge
>
> (first copy various VST directories into the build)
> premake5 gmake
> make surge-vst2 verbose=1 -j8
>
> ldd -r target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so
> undefined symbol: _ZN6VSTGUI8soHandleE  (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
> undefined symbol:
> _ZN3Gtk11FileChooser18set_current_folderERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEE
>   (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
> undefined symbol: _ZNK3Gdk11DragContext12list_targetsB5cxx11Ev
> (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
> undefined symbol:
> _ZN4Glib7ustringC1ERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEE
> (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
> undefined symbol:
> _ZN12SurgeStorage11load_wt_wavENSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEP9Wavetable
>(target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
> undefined symbol: __cpuid   (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
> undefined symbol:
> _ZN3Gtk11CssProvider14load_from_dataERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEE
>   (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
> undefined symbol: _Z19spawn_miniedit_textPci
> (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
> undefined symbol: _ZNK3Gtk11FileChooser13get_filenamesB5cxx11Ev
> (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
>
> So, a little bit work left, but maybe it's enough to link with a newer
> version of
> gtkmm than I did.
>

The commit was merged upstream.

For anyone who wants to give it a try,
it might be that it's enough just using a
newer version of VSTGUI and gtkmm than I did.
I used gtkmm 3.16 and gtk-3.3, which probably
are some years old old. The VSTGUI I used,
I don't know how hold is, or where it came from.
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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[Daniel Swärd]

On Wed, 2018-09-26 at 17:23 +, John Rigg wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 02:02:08PM -0400, bill-auger wrote:
> > derp, the first time i noticed this post i overlooked the egregious
> > error in the title
> > 
> > one should be mindful to avoid terminology (especially acronyms) that
> > have multiple interpretations, especially when those alternate
> > interpretations can relate to the same subject area - that really
> > should not happen but it does when people give names to new things
> > without knowing that term is already widely used for something else
> > 
> > in this case i am clearly referring to 'OSS' - in the context of
> > pro-audio, OSS is the "Open Sound System"; and it has been widely known
> > as such for about 20 years, and still in use today - that is how i read
> > this post at first - now i realize it was a short-hand for
> > "open-source"
> 
> I too thought it meant Open Sound System at first.

I had forgotten about Open Sound System.

/Daniel
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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[John Rigg]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 02:02:08PM -0400, bill-auger wrote:
> derp, the first time i noticed this post i overlooked the egregious
> error in the title
> 
> one should be mindful to avoid terminology (especially acronyms) that
> have multiple interpretations, especially when those alternate
> interpretations can relate to the same subject area - that really
> should not happen but it does when people give names to new things
> without knowing that term is already widely used for something else
> 
> in this case i am clearly referring to 'OSS' - in the context of
> pro-audio, OSS is the "Open Sound System"; and it has been widely known
> as such for about 20 years, and still in use today - that is how i read
> this post at first - now i realize it was a short-hand for
> "open-source"

I too thought it meant Open Sound System at first.

John
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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[bill-auger]

derp, the first time i noticed this post i overlooked the egregious
error in the title

one should be mindful to avoid terminology (especially acronyms) that
have multiple interpretations, especially when those alternate
interpretations can relate to the same subject area - that really
should not happen but it does when people give names to new things
without knowing that term is already widely used for something else

in this case i am clearly referring to 'OSS' - in the context of
pro-audio, OSS is the "Open Sound System"; and it has been widely known
as such for about 20 years, and still in use today - that is how i read
this post at first - now i realize it was a short-hand for
"open-source"

regardless of whether or not the OP has heard of the actual 'OSS'
before, confusing jargon like that can be easily avoided simply be
being more specific with the words one chooses - in this case "free
software" or even "open-source" would have been perfectly clear to all
- if one must be so lazy about typing, use 'FOSS' or 'FLOSS' when
referring to "audio software that is freely licensed" to make it clear
that is not referring to the "Open Sound System"
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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[Kjetil Matheussen]

Daniel Swärd:
>
> Hi all.
>
> Just found out that one of the Bitwig devs has released an older (commercial)
> project of his as open source: https://github.com/kurasu/surge
>
> Doesn't yet build on Linux, but quoting from the github page:
> "It currently only builds on windows, but getting it to build on macOS again &
> Linux should be doable with moderate effort."
>
> How about we get it building at the next Berlin LAU meeting?
>

I took a quick procrastination-shot at it:
https://github.com/kmatheussen/surge

(first copy various VST directories into the build)
premake5 gmake
make surge-vst2 verbose=1 -j8

ldd -r target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so
undefined symbol: _ZN6VSTGUI8soHandleE  (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
undefined symbol:
_ZN3Gtk11FileChooser18set_current_folderERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEE
  (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
undefined symbol: _ZNK3Gdk11DragContext12list_targetsB5cxx11Ev
(target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
undefined symbol:
_ZN4Glib7ustringC1ERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEE
(target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
undefined symbol:
_ZN12SurgeStorage11load_wt_wavENSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEEP9Wavetable
   (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
undefined symbol: __cpuid   (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
undefined symbol:
_ZN3Gtk11CssProvider14load_from_dataERKNSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEEE
  (target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
undefined symbol: _Z19spawn_miniedit_textPci
(target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)
undefined symbol: _ZNK3Gtk11FileChooser13get_filenamesB5cxx11Ev
(target/vst2/Debug/Surge-Debug.so)

So, a little bit work left, but maybe it's enough to link with a newer
version of
gtkmm than I did.

Don't know how well VSTGUI works on linux though. Using
gtkmm as the underlying GUI to implement VSTGUI on top of
seems worrying.
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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[Daniel Swärd]

On Tue, 2018-09-25 at 17:50 +0200, bernard wrote:
> I remember using Surge, it was a really nice synth.

Then we'd better get it building then? Include in the kxstudio repositories
maybe?

/Daniel
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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[Daniel Swärd]

On Tue, 2018-09-25 at 08:34 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> > How about we get it building at the next Berlin LAU meeting?
> 
> Which VST3 hosts do you plan to use (on Linux)?

I'm a Bitwig user, so I would use that.

/Daniel
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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[bernard]

I remember using Surge, it was a really nice synth.


Le 25/09/2018 à 16:38, Hermann Meyer a écrit :


You could build it as VST2 as well, so, Ardour, for example, will 
suite the role as host. :-)



The VST3SDK  hosted by 
Steinberg on github doesn't contain the VST2 SDK bits, so if you want 
to build the VST2 version you need to download 
 that one manually and add those 
missing files, they have a script that copies the copying for you.


Am 25.09.18 um 14:34 schrieb Paul Davis:



On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:25 AM Daniel Swärd > wrote:


Hi all.

Just found out that one of the Bitwig devs has released an older
(commercial)
project of his as open source: https://github.com/kurasu/surge

Doesn't yet build on Linux, but quoting from the github page:
"It currently only builds on windows, but getting it to build on
macOS again &
Linux should be doable with moderate effort."

How about we get it building at the next Berlin LAU meeting?


Which VST3 hosts do you plan to use (on Linux)?

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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[Hermann Meyer]

You could build it as VST2 as well, so, Ardour, for example, will suite 
the role as host. :-)



The VST3SDK  hosted by 
Steinberg on github doesn't contain the VST2 SDK bits, so if you want 
to build the VST2 version you need to download 
 that one manually and add those 
missing files, they have a script that copies the copying for you.


Am 25.09.18 um 14:34 schrieb Paul Davis:



On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:25 AM Daniel Swärd > wrote:


Hi all.

Just found out that one of the Bitwig devs has released an older
(commercial)
project of his as open source: https://github.com/kurasu/surge

Doesn't yet build on Linux, but quoting from the github page:
"It currently only builds on windows, but getting it to build on
macOS again &
Linux should be doable with moderate effort."

How about we get it building at the next Berlin LAU meeting?


Which VST3 hosts do you plan to use (on Linux)?

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Re: [LAD] New(ish) OSS synth plugin

[Paul Davis]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 7:25 AM Daniel Swärd  wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> Just found out that one of the Bitwig devs has released an older
> (commercial)
> project of his as open source: https://github.com/kurasu/surge
>
> Doesn't yet build on Linux, but quoting from the github page:
> "It currently only builds on windows, but getting it to build on macOS
> again &
> Linux should be doable with moderate effort."
>
> How about we get it building at the next Berlin LAU meeting?
>

Which VST3 hosts do you plan to use (on Linux)?
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