Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]
Hallo, Mark Knecht hat gesagt: // Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:09:17 +0100, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP Nobody can steal free software, because they already own it. (As long as they follow the rules as stated in the GPL etc.) This is so patently untrue I cannot imagine how you got here. GPL == GP License Nothing under GPL is 'owned' by me. It is 'licensed'. I didn't create it so I don't have any rights other than those granted me. If you own something you can do anything you want with it simply because you own it. If it is licensed you must follow the terms of the license specifcally because the real owner only grants you the rights in the license. Well, that's what I wrote: As long as you follow the license, you can do everything you want with it. The free software licenses are designed in a way, that you can do everything, that does not try to take away the right to do everything with the software from other users. Even the original owner, the autor of the software, cannot take away these rights once he released a piece of code under a libre license. In this way he is as much an owner as you are. (He is more owner in the case that he wants to double license his code under a non-free licens, but then this piece of code is not free software anymore. He still cannot take back the code he already had set free.) I am not strictly talking law here. But e.g. the FSF is working on freeing software from owners (Why Software Should Not Have Owners, [1]) by giving authors the same rights as users (and thus making them owners, too, in a way) [1] http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/why-free.html Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org__
[linux-audio-dev] Been to the movies lately, FreeBob?
Greetings, today Dan Dennedy (dan-AT-dennedy.org), lead developer of Kino, happened to stumble on the Linux Audio Blog. He left a few comments especially relevant to the ongoing 1394 discussion: http://linuxaudioblog.jawebada.de/software/alsa/firewire-alsa-driver-at-sf-net.html#comment-0 http://linuxaudioblog.jawebada.de/kernel/firewire-eventually-to-be-supported-.html#comment-1 http://linuxaudioblog.jawebada.de/music/gilberto-gil-jumping-on-the-linux-bandwagon.html#comment-0 Dan on the web: http://www.dennedy.org/ Kino: http://kino.schirmacher.de P.S. Daniel, I hope you don't mind me CCing you. I think this is mainly addressed to the FreeBob team. -- Jan Weil http://linuxaudioblog.jawebada.de
[linux-audio-dev] Re: Been to the movies lately, FreeBob?
today Dan Dennedy (dan-AT-dennedy.org), lead developer of Kino, happened to stumble on the Linux Audio Blog. He left a few comments especially relevant to the ongoing 1394 discussion: http://linuxaudioblog.jawebada.de/software/alsa/firewire-alsa-driver-at-sf-net.html#comment-0 [...] Please be more active on the linux1394-devel mailing list. I have ideas to share with you! Sorry about being silent on the mailing list... [lots of excuses]. I'll promise to be more active :) For the record: Pieter Palmers has written (in a tremendous effort) a large part of AV/C descriptors parser. This part is still not completed and needs some clean up, though a great job! Meanwhile, I have been working on the basic framework (design and implementation). Unfortunatly, I have stated in my first posting that FreeBob will support M-Audio devices with the other devices: this is not true. M-Audio uses proprietary protocols. Nevertheless, the chances to support those devices are still there. thanks, daniel
[linux-audio-dev] can-t access LAC 2004 recordings
Hi! When I try to enter the upload directory (or subdirs), I get a 403. I used the link on the website and tried it directly by accessing: http://linuxaudiodev.org/contrib/zkm_meeting_2004/ or http://linuxaudiodev.org/contrib/zkm_meeting_2004/recordings Any idea, why this is happening? Kindest regards Julien Music was my first love and it will be my last (John Miles) FIND MY WEB-PROJECT AT: http://ltsb.sourceforge.net - the Linux TextBased Studio guide
Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME isno more]
The latest hatefilled posts on the RME list about the ALSA driver issue are surely not helpful Saying nothing is *never* helpful. Showing your dissatisfaction at least *sometimes* helps. We'll see. Marek
Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME isno more]
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 10:42 +0100, Thomas Grill wrote: The latest hatefilled posts on the RME list about the ALSA driver issue are surely not helpful - let's better respect their viewpoint and find a solution for the LAU community. I have not read the RME forum. Has RME commented on the possibility of a closed source driver? Lee
Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME isno more]
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:55, Marek Peteraj wrote: The latest hatefilled posts on the RME list about the ALSA driver issue are surely not helpful Saying nothing is *never* helpful. That is true. Showing your dissatisfaction at least *sometimes* helps. We'll see. [disclaimer: I have not read the posts] I think you are missing the point, whether intentionally or not I don't know. Hatefilled posts are not going to help. Normal posts will. Maybe I'm misunderstanding (if so, ignore the rest), but you seem to think hate filled posts are just fine, right? If that's true, this would be the time for me to say something rude so that you change your mind, right? If enough of us post hate filled responses you are going to agree with whatever we say? I think not... -- Fernando
[linux-audio-dev] [ann] caps 0.2.0
The CAPS Audio Plugin Suite reincarnates as caps 0.2.0. * By popular demand, a 'true stereo' version of the Plate reverb plugin makes its appearance in this edition, so the numerous original Plate fans can get their favourite thing to play nice with hosts having trouble dealing with mono-in, stereo-out effects. * Both versions of the Plate reverb sport revised 'bandwidth' and 'damping' knobs. The 'log' hint set on the damping control caused the unit to be virtually useless on hosts having trouble handling the hint combined with the range of the parameter. The revised code eliminates this hint and maps the now linear parameter directly to the respective filter cutoff, at an extra cost of about 200 processor cycles per audio cycle. * The Preamp plugins as well as the Amp units in this edition feature Renormal Technology (!tm), so ab-normal CPU usage due to de-normals in hosts choosing to route perfectly silent audio through these plugins should be a thing of the past. * The all-new AmpIV plugin features complete tube amplifier circuit emulation including a 4-band tone control set. Get your copy before they are all gone: http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html http://quitte.de/dsp/caps.html#Download Please forward as you see fit. Cheers, Tim
[linux-audio-dev] ladspa 2 idea
I don't know if this is completely dead or just a little dead but I had an idea today. It'd be kinda neat if there was a mechanism for grouping related control ports together in the UI. Taybin
Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME isno more]
On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 01:27, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:55, Marek Peteraj wrote: The latest hatefilled posts on the RME list about the ALSA driver issue are surely not helpful Saying nothing is *never* helpful. That is true. Showing your dissatisfaction at least *sometimes* helps. We'll see. [disclaimer: I have not read the posts] Perhaps you should :) I think you are missing the point, whether intentionally or not I don't know. Hatefilled posts are not going to help. Normal posts will. Maybe I'm misunderstanding (if so, ignore the rest), but you seem to think hate filled posts are just fine, right? If that's true, this would be the time for me to say something rude so that you change your mind, right? If enough of us post hate filled responses you are going to agree with whatever we say? I think not... I think i clarified it in my previous posts. What you're talking about is a different relationship. We're talking about a vendor vs. customer relationship in which case if the number of unsatisfied customers [EMAIL PROTECTED] about your product grows, you have to take adequate action no matter how much they're hurting your ego. Becasue sometimes there *might* be a valid reason for that. ;) That said i think it's silly to argue about that here. We have lost two main specs providers. Not because of hatefilled posts. That was the consequence. In my eyes a very valid one. In your case perhaps not. But it's for the interest of *everyone* here. So i think the more of us agree the more strength we can show to everybody out there, instead of arguing whether to beg or be more proud(no offense, my POV). Marek
Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME isno more]
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 19:49, Marek Peteraj wrote: On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 01:27, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 15:55, Marek Peteraj wrote: The latest hatefilled posts on the RME list about the ALSA driver issue are surely not helpful Saying nothing is *never* helpful. That is true. Showing your dissatisfaction at least *sometimes* helps. We'll see. [disclaimer: I have not read the posts] Perhaps you should :) I did. I don't think I got through all the posts, but I read more than enough. Stupid attitude. You are doing _harm_, and probably making the task of people that will have to interface with RME in the future harder. I think you are missing the point, whether intentionally or not I don't know. Hatefilled posts are not going to help. Normal posts will. Maybe I'm misunderstanding (if so, ignore the rest), but you seem to think hate filled posts are just fine, right? If that's true, this would be the time for me to say something rude so that you change your mind, right? If enough of us post hate filled responses you are going to agree with whatever we say? I think not... I think i clarified it in my previous posts. What you're talking about is a different relationship. We're talking about a vendor vs. customer relationship in which case if the number of unsatisfied customers [EMAIL PROTECTED] about your product grows, you have to take adequate action no matter how much they're hurting your ego. Becasue sometimes there *might* be a valid reason for that. ;) That said i think it's silly to argue about that here. We have lost two main specs providers. Not because of hatefilled posts. Again, hatefilled posts are not helping. Most probably you don't realize how bad your posts look. Again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, so maybe for some other LAU denizens those very same posts are great. It takes all kinds... That was the consequence. In my eyes a very valid one. In your case perhaps not. But it's for the interest of *everyone* here. So i think the more of us agree the more strength we can show to everybody out there, instead of arguing whether to beg or be more proud(no offense, my POV). No offence taken, of course. I don't expect you to understand there is a difference between begging and asking, between showing strength and bullying, between talking and shouting You don't herd cats (or linux penguins), they go where they like to go. -- Fernando
