Re: RHEL/CentOS or Debian for stable deployment
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 28.03.2014 13:29, schrieb Johan Kröckel: Hello, I am not sure whether this is the correct list, but I will try... I am on the way to deploy new server and already am using btrfs-volumes. At this point not for root, but in case a stable setup is possible, this would be cool, too. I don't want to use vanilla kernel because I like it when someone else is watching security issues for me. So the question is: Which source for the kernel binaries would you use, to get stable btrfs support together with mentioned service? I am asking, because I don't know how Red Hat and Debian (Backports channel) are dealing with backporting new btrfs code to their distributed kernels. None is really usable for development, IMHO. For Development we prefer Arch Linux, it somewhat more Bare Linux, mostly all packages made from unpatched and unmodified vanilla sources. Debian and CentOS are for Development mucht to matrue, or harder spoken, much too old. If a product is ready for deployment, the other Debian / Ubuntu / SuSE / Fedora / RedHat / CentOS got the Level of the system, which Arch had on start time of development. Then we enter package stage and depoy the product to the stable Distributions. On stable Setup/Server we prefer Debian or Ubuntu. The Enterprise Distributions (aka. RHEL, SELS, CentOS) are looking to us sometimes like software achrchelogy ... mit freundlichen Grüßen Jürgen Sauer - -- Jürgen Sauer - automatiX GmbH, +49-4209-4699, juergen.sa...@automatix.de Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Sauer, Gerichtstand: Amtsgericht Walsrode • HRB 120986 Ust-Id: DE191468481 • St.Nr.: 36/211/08000 GPG Public Key zur Signaturprüfung: http://www.automatix.de/juergen_sauer_publickey.gpg -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlM28tkACgkQW7UKI9EqarH/UgCeM/rQ2wKUjXC0az3UuCaSCW0O ceMAoLGBXtYoqN5gi1CWvG7RHQbyF/r0 =4gue -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-btrfs in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: RHEL/CentOS or Debian for stable deployment
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:45:03PM +, Hugo Mills wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 04:38:09PM -0700, Lists wrote: On 03/28/2014 02:42 PM, Avi Miller wrote: Have you considered Oracle Linux? We are continually backporting btrfs fixes and enhancements to our Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel releases. On Oracle Linux 6, you would run the UEK Release 3, which is based on 3.8 mainline with upstream fixes. We also provide all security and bug fix errata for free viahttp://public-yum.oracle.com, so you don’t need to buy support to run Oracle Linux at keep up-to-date. Can't remember asking if btrfs is supported on 32 bit kernels? I can't speak for Oracle's distribution, but in the general case, yes, btrfs works on 32 bit systems. On the subject of bitness, there's a couple of rough edges with 64-bit kernels and 32-bit userspace. (I think there's still one ioctl that fails on that configuration, but I've not hit it yet on my test machine). btrfs send does not work with 32bit userland and 64bit kernel when I last tried it a few weeks ago. Thankfully I had debian, so I was able to upgrade just btrfs-tools to 64bit without upgrading my entire system, and that solved it. Marc -- A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in - A.S.R. Microsoft is to operating systems what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | PGP 1024R/763BE901 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-btrfs in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: RHEL/CentOS or Debian for stable deployment
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 05:18:25PM -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 11:45:03PM +, Hugo Mills wrote: On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 04:38:09PM -0700, Lists wrote: On 03/28/2014 02:42 PM, Avi Miller wrote: Have you considered Oracle Linux? We are continually backporting btrfs fixes and enhancements to our Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel releases. On Oracle Linux 6, you would run the UEK Release 3, which is based on 3.8 mainline with upstream fixes. We also provide all security and bug fix errata for free viahttp://public-yum.oracle.com, so you don’t need to buy support to run Oracle Linux at keep up-to-date. Can't remember asking if btrfs is supported on 32 bit kernels? I can't speak for Oracle's distribution, but in the general case, yes, btrfs works on 32 bit systems. On the subject of bitness, there's a couple of rough edges with 64-bit kernels and 32-bit userspace. (I think there's still one ioctl that fails on that configuration, but I've not hit it yet on my test machine). btrfs send does not work with 32bit userland and 64bit kernel when I last tried it a few weeks ago. Thankfully I had debian, so I was able to upgrade just btrfs-tools to 64bit without upgrading my entire system, and that solved it. That's the one I know about and patched some weeks ago :) (it should be in btrfs-next by now). Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: hugo@... carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 65E74AC0 from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- What do you give the man who has everything? -- Penicillin is --- a good start... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RHEL/CentOS or Debian for stable deployment
Hi, On 28 Mar 2014, at 11:29 pm, Johan Kröckel johan.kroec...@gmail.com wrote: Which source for the kernel binaries would you use, to get stable btrfs support together with mentioned service? Have you considered Oracle Linux? We are continually backporting btrfs fixes and enhancements to our Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel releases. On Oracle Linux 6, you would run the UEK Release 3, which is based on 3.8 mainline with upstream fixes. We also provide all security and bug fix errata for free via http://public-yum.oracle.com, so you don’t need to buy support to run Oracle Linux at keep up-to-date. Cheers, Avi -- Oracle http://www.oracle.com Avi Miller | Product Management Director | +61 (3) 8616 3496 Oracle Linux and Virtualization 417 St Kilda Road, Melbourne, Victoria 3004 Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-btrfs in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: RHEL/CentOS or Debian for stable deployment
On 03/28/2014 02:42 PM, Avi Miller wrote: Have you considered Oracle Linux? We are continually backporting btrfs fixes and enhancements to our Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel releases. On Oracle Linux 6, you would run the UEK Release 3, which is based on 3.8 mainline with upstream fixes. We also provide all security and bug fix errata for free viahttp://public-yum.oracle.com, so you don’t need to buy support to run Oracle Linux at keep up-to-date. Can't remember asking if btrfs is supported on 32 bit kernels? -Ben -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-btrfs in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: RHEL/CentOS or Debian for stable deployment
On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 04:38:09PM -0700, Lists wrote: On 03/28/2014 02:42 PM, Avi Miller wrote: Have you considered Oracle Linux? We are continually backporting btrfs fixes and enhancements to our Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel releases. On Oracle Linux 6, you would run the UEK Release 3, which is based on 3.8 mainline with upstream fixes. We also provide all security and bug fix errata for free viahttp://public-yum.oracle.com, so you don’t need to buy support to run Oracle Linux at keep up-to-date. Can't remember asking if btrfs is supported on 32 bit kernels? I can't speak for Oracle's distribution, but in the general case, yes, btrfs works on 32 bit systems. On the subject of bitness, there's a couple of rough edges with 64-bit kernels and 32-bit userspace. (I think there's still one ioctl that fails on that configuration, but I've not hit it yet on my test machine). Hugo. -- === Hugo Mills: hugo@... carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk === PGP key: 65E74AC0 from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk --- My doctor tells me that I have a malformed public-duty gland, --- and a natural deficiency in moral fibre. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: RHEL/CentOS or Debian for stable deployment
Hi, On 29 Mar 2014, at 10:38 am, Lists li...@benjamindsmith.com wrote: On 03/28/2014 02:42 PM, Avi Miller wrote: Have you considered Oracle Linux? We are continually backporting btrfs fixes and enhancements to our Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel releases. On Oracle Linux 6, you would run the UEK Release 3, which is based on 3.8 mainline with upstream fixes. We also provide all security and bug fix errata for free viahttp://public-yum.oracle.com, so you don’t need to buy support to run Oracle Linux at keep up-to-date. Can't remember asking if btrfs is supported on 32 bit kernels? We support btrfs on our 32-bit UEK Release 2 (labelled 2.6.39 but it’s actually 3.0 under the hood. Yay userspace issues). However, our latest UEK Release 3 (3.8 both labelled and under-the-hood) is only built for 64-bit and is highly recommended for production btrfs usage. We are no longer back porting mainline fixes into UEK Release 2 because the code has just moved on too far for it to be feasible. So, while there is a 32-bit kernel with btrfs support, our recommendation is to use the 64-bit kernel on x86_64 hardware for the best experience. -- Oracle http://www.oracle.com Avi Miller | Product Management Director | +61 (3) 8616 3496 Oracle Linux and Virtualization 417 St Kilda Road, Melbourne, Victoria 3004 Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-btrfs in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
