Linux-Development-Sys Digest #327
Linux-Development-Sys Digest #327, Volume #6 Mon, 25 Jan 99 03:14:32 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux Phase 2: A Consumer Operating System (David Magda)
Re: Linux Phase 2: A Consumer Operating System (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (Miguel Cruz)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS ("jdn")
Dissassemble bootsection (Dennis Wetzig)
Re: Linux ext2 dump (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: D-Link NIC driver, anyone? (Mark Hahn)
Re: Comparison of Swing, Qt, GTk? (BL)
Compiling gcc fails at stage1 (Matthew Vanecek)
From a Vritual Server to a Colocate ("Mr. Poet")
Re: Modest next goal for Linux (John De Hoog)
From a Virtual Server to a Colocate ("Mr. Poet")
Re: Modest next goal for Linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Autofs automounter auto.direct (Jamie Guinan)
Re: Compiling gcc fails at stage1 (Loren Osborn)
Re: LILO and 10 GB drives ("wÕÕg")
Re: Attention Linux Programmers! ("Aaron Drew")
Re: disheartened gnome developer (Michael Powe)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Magda)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux Phase 2: A Consumer Operating System
Date: 23 Jan 1999 23:15:13 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
The point is that if interesting pieces of the system "solidify" to the
point that people can't change them without causing immense breakage,
then it's no longer fun playing with those pieces.
Well I'm sure someone will come along and make a distribution that's similiar
to what FreeBSD and all do. Have a ports section and instead of worrying about
RPMs et al. just go into a specific directory and to `make update` and have
everything you need sorted out. Suppposedly Debian does this?
At some point, it becomes more difficult to get a change in than it is
to say "Screw it, I'm using another system where I can do what I like,
and have a bit more control."
Isn't that why the source code is available? So you can play with it yourself?
All (most?) the new features first started out as patches and later were
added to the kernel as part of the 2.1.x series. The NTFS modules started
like this.
We can see a certain degree of "ossification" taking place already with
the Linux kernel. It used to be about a year between major new even
versions. The "time betweeen releases" is increasing. And there are
enough big plans coming up in the 2.3 series to give ample opportunity
for it to be 2001 or later until a 2.4 release.
But there is also more code to manage and debug. What's the size of 1.2
versus 2.0 versus 2.2? You could also argue that 1.2 had the more basic,
easier to code/debug features and the later kernels are adding more features
that have a larger complexitity. Anyone know how hard will it be to encode
all the I20 and USB stuff?
The point was that the sorts of people that can build a system like
Linux may conclude it time to move on, which will mean that a great
creative element is taken away. It might be several years before
effects become really apparent.
They can always fork off like OpenBSD from NetBSD from FreeBSD. They could
also hack their own patches, they just might not go into the 2.3 series
"officially" (i.e., always stay as patches).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Linux Phase 2: A Consumer Operating System
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:49:00 GMT
On 23 Jan 1999 23:15:13 GMT, David Magda [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
The point is that if interesting pieces of the system "solidify" to the
point that people can't change them without causing immense breakage,
then it's no longer fun playing with those pieces.
Well I'm sure someone will come along and make a distribution that's similiar
to what FreeBSD and all do. Have a ports section and instead of worrying about
RPMs et al. just go into a specific directory and to `make update` and have
everything you need sorted out. Suppposedly Debian does this?
That's fair enough.
It would be interesting to see a distribution for Linux that had a
greater tendancy to work with source code (ala Ports) rather than treating
binaries as the thing that gets moved around.
A new system could certainly gain advantage from some existing tools and
even code. Which is pretty much why Hurd is trying to get a Debianized
version released, with the goal of hopefully being able to make use of
some of those thousands of .deb packages. (At this moment, it supports
33 of 'em.)
At some point, it becomes more difficult to get a change in than it is
to say "Screw it, I'm using another system where I can do what I like,
and have a bit more control."
Isn't that why the source code is available? So you can play with it yourself?
All (most?) the new features first started out as patches and
Linux-Development-Sys Digest #328
Linux-Development-Sys Digest #328, Volume #6 Mon, 25 Jan 99 08:13:33 EST
Contents:
Re: Comparison of Swing, Qt, GTk? (Richard Jones)
Re: How can I build a Linux system from scratch - NO distribution? (Richard Jones)
Re: linux crashes on nfs and sound!!! (Bob)
Mad16 / Opti 82C924 / miro PCM12 Rev.E (Karsten Mueller)
Re: Comparison of Swing, Qt, GTk? (Michael Schuerig)
Re: Modest next goal for Linux ("Edwin van der Elst")
Re: Modest next goal for Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (PILCH Hartmut)
Re: TAO: the ultimate OS (PILCH Hartmut)
how? (zerocool)
Re: how? (zerocool)
Re: Modest next goal for Linux (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Modest next goal for Linux (Matthias Warkus)
Re: can't telnet to linux (wim delvaux)
Re: Modest next goal for Linux ("John De Hoog")
epson stylus photo 700 drivers (Adam Hamflett)
From: Richard Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.gui
Subject: Re: Comparison of Swing, Qt, GTk?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:52:10 +
BL fn0rd wrote:
: In comp.os.linux.development.system Michael Schuerig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: : I'm wondering has done a comparison of Java's Swing with Qt (KDE /Linux)
: : and GTk (GNOME/Linux)?
What sort of comparison? Speed? Memory
usage? Usability? Since all three
toolkits work with three different
languages (Java, C++ and `mainly C but
often Scheme' respectively) you should
pick the right toolkit based on language,
availability and licensing. There's not
really a way to compare the toolkits side
by side on the same application.
: I'm certainly no java expert - only been playing wiht it real informally, but
: with the current free tools (jdk) on linux and even on my work system (irix),
: I'd have to say that compiles are PAINFULLY slow, as are app STARTUP times!
: so slow that I abandoned doing a gui project in java (swing) and went back to
: good old ANSI C with gtk+. aah - nice comfortable Makefiles, etc ;-)
: until the performance is AT LEAST doubled in java, I don't know of anyone who
: really takes it seriously (when the situation at least allows for other
: choices). in some situations, java may be the only option, but given a
: choice, I'm not convinced java is ready for prime time.
What processor are you using? There's no
real problem with Java + TYA + Swing
on a Pentium II, but it can be a bit
painful on earlier models.
Rich.
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From: Richard Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How can I build a Linux system from scratch - NO distribution?
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 09:55:02 +
Jens Kristian Søgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Richard Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: : a system with X-Windows and various components taking a very long time to
: : This is probably a DNS problem. Setup your DNS server to reply with a
: : "nonexistent domain"-error when an internet-domain is requested
: : ( ofcourse it should reply normally when connected to the net ).
: Can you explain how to do this?
: Well, I can try ;-)
: If you have a local DNS server running on your Linux computer ( named
: ), it's quite easy. Just make sure that you have no forwarders defined
: ( they aren't accessible when you're not connected ). Then remove the
: zone "." so that it's doesn't use any internet-servers.
: Instead of removing the zone, you could empty the named.ca file.
My real problem is that I only want to refuse
queries when the dial-up link is down. When the
link is up (it's started by hand), I would like
everything to work as normal? I'd really like
named to look for the existence of a file before
it tries to forward a query (and if the file isn't
there, use its own cache exclusively, or else
reject the request). I suspect that one fine day
I will end up hacking the functionality into named
myself ...
Rich.
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From: Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: linux crashes on nfs and sound!!!
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 06:17:54 -0500
Henk van der Kamp wrote:
Hi!
My linux box crashes when I copy stuff from a nfs mounted disk. It only
happens when I use my sound blaster. And it doesn't happen when I use
FTP.
I run 2.2.0pre6-ac2 (it allready happed whith a 2.1.132, I didn't use
any dev kernels before) and it doesn't happen on my old 2.0.34 kernel.
I have a AWE32 on io=0x220
