Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-10-07 Thread Ard Biesheuvel
On 6 October 2014 21:33, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 08:13:01PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 On 17 July 2014 16:09, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 23:13 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
  On 16 July 2014 23:03, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
   On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 22:38 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
   On 16 July 2014 21:45, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:53 +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
  After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the 
  kernel by branching
  to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to 
  find the header
  containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.
 
  However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so 
  the header may
  not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump 
  to 'stext'
  directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by 
  supplying a
  symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the 
  relative offset of
  stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded 
  calculations of the same
  value with a reference to 'stext_offset'

 Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
 Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
 firmware loads the whole file into RAM?
   
From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
guaranteed per the UEFI spec.
   
I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.
   
   
Could be. I didn't see anything about it in the UEFI spec, but I
probably wasn't exhaustive in my search. In any case, there's at
least one other place broken if the kernel header isn't included
in the loaded image.
   
  
   I have not been able to find anything in the PE/COFF documents that
   tells you what to put in memory areas that are not covered by a
   section. Expecting the header to be there is indeed relying on an
   implementation detail, which seems risky.
   And indeed, if there are any other (non EFI related) uses of header
   fields in the kernel, it would be good to have a look at those well,
  
   I think we need to come up with a loader which does load an image
   without kernel header so that we can test. Otherwise, we'll probably
   end up with buggy code anyway. The stub code assumes the the loaded
   image pointed to by the system table is the whole image. Seems like
   we'd need to add code to determine if it is whole kernel image or
   image without initial header. Stub would have to handle both cases.
   For instance, one case would want image placed at 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET,
   other case would want 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET+sizeof(kernel header).
  
 
  No, this has nothing to do with misaligned data.
 
  The PE/COFF .text section does not start at virtual offset #0 but at
  virtual offset 'stext - efi_head'.
  In other words, there is a hole in the virtual image where the header
  is supposed to be.
  So if there is no PE/COFF section describing what data should be put
  at offset #0 by the loader, we can't assume the header is there, even
  if ImageBase does start at #0
 
  I get that. You're supposing UEFI will always allocate memory for the
  full image, but only sometimes copy the PE/COFF headers. I can see your
  point from a PE/COFF perspective, but not so much from the UEFI spec
  perspective where the language leads me to think it treats the PE/COFF
  images as one unit wrt loading. In any case, it really isn't worth
  arguing about. I don't have any objection to the patch since it won't
  break anything from my perspective and it'll protect against breakage
  which could possibly occur with some firmware implementations.
 

 I am reviving this old thread because it appears we may have seen an
 issue involving shim and GRUB where data not covered by any loadable
 PE/COFF section was not actually loaded to memory. In this case, it
 was the .reloc section, not the header but the conclusion should be
 the same.

 @Peter: this is a second-hand account so perhaps you could fill in
 with some details? Original thread is here:
 http://marc.info/?l=linux-arm-kernelm=140542202520933w=2

 So what happened with the shim+grub .reloc problem was that grub's
 binary has relocations (which I think don't strictly need to be
 processed), but shim's relocation code was *completely* defective.

 Then I fixed shim to try to process relocations, but got it wrong
 because in my mind data directories were file addresses rather than
 relative virtual addresses (often they are identical, but by spec
 they're RVAs). In grub's binary, everything has matching file addresses
 and RVAs.  So grub worked, but other things did not.  That change is
 here:

 

Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-10-06 Thread Ard Biesheuvel
On 17 July 2014 16:09, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 23:13 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 On 16 July 2014 23:03, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 22:38 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
  On 16 July 2014 21:45, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
   On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:53 +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
   On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel 
 by branching
 to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to 
 find the header
 containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.

 However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the 
 header may
 not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 
 'stext'
 directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by 
 supplying a
 symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative 
 offset of
 stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations 
 of the same
 value with a reference to 'stext_offset'
   
Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
firmware loads the whole file into RAM?
  
   From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
   guaranteed per the UEFI spec.
  
   I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.
  
  
   Could be. I didn't see anything about it in the UEFI spec, but I
   probably wasn't exhaustive in my search. In any case, there's at
   least one other place broken if the kernel header isn't included
   in the loaded image.
  
 
  I have not been able to find anything in the PE/COFF documents that
  tells you what to put in memory areas that are not covered by a
  section. Expecting the header to be there is indeed relying on an
  implementation detail, which seems risky.
  And indeed, if there are any other (non EFI related) uses of header
  fields in the kernel, it would be good to have a look at those well,
 
  I think we need to come up with a loader which does load an image
  without kernel header so that we can test. Otherwise, we'll probably
  end up with buggy code anyway. The stub code assumes the the loaded
  image pointed to by the system table is the whole image. Seems like
  we'd need to add code to determine if it is whole kernel image or
  image without initial header. Stub would have to handle both cases.
  For instance, one case would want image placed at 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET,
  other case would want 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET+sizeof(kernel header).
 

 No, this has nothing to do with misaligned data.

 The PE/COFF .text section does not start at virtual offset #0 but at
 virtual offset 'stext - efi_head'.
 In other words, there is a hole in the virtual image where the header
 is supposed to be.
 So if there is no PE/COFF section describing what data should be put
 at offset #0 by the loader, we can't assume the header is there, even
 if ImageBase does start at #0

 I get that. You're supposing UEFI will always allocate memory for the
 full image, but only sometimes copy the PE/COFF headers. I can see your
 point from a PE/COFF perspective, but not so much from the UEFI spec
 perspective where the language leads me to think it treats the PE/COFF
 images as one unit wrt loading. In any case, it really isn't worth
 arguing about. I don't have any objection to the patch since it won't
 break anything from my perspective and it'll protect against breakage
 which could possibly occur with some firmware implementations.


I am reviving this old thread because it appears we may have seen an
issue involving shim and GRUB where data not covered by any loadable
PE/COFF section was not actually loaded to memory. In this case, it
was the .reloc section, not the header but the conclusion should be
the same.

@Peter: this is a second-hand account so perhaps you could fill in
with some details? Original thread is here:
http://marc.info/?l=linux-arm-kernelm=140542202520933w=2

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Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-10-06 Thread Peter Jones
On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 08:13:01PM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 On 17 July 2014 16:09, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 23:13 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
  On 16 July 2014 23:03, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
   On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 22:38 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
   On 16 July 2014 21:45, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:53 +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
  After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the 
  kernel by branching
  to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to 
  find the header
  containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.
 
  However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so 
  the header may
  not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump 
  to 'stext'
  directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by 
  supplying a
  symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative 
  offset of
  stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations 
  of the same
  value with a reference to 'stext_offset'

 Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
 Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
 firmware loads the whole file into RAM?
   
From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
guaranteed per the UEFI spec.
   
I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.
   
   
Could be. I didn't see anything about it in the UEFI spec, but I
probably wasn't exhaustive in my search. In any case, there's at
least one other place broken if the kernel header isn't included
in the loaded image.
   
  
   I have not been able to find anything in the PE/COFF documents that
   tells you what to put in memory areas that are not covered by a
   section. Expecting the header to be there is indeed relying on an
   implementation detail, which seems risky.
   And indeed, if there are any other (non EFI related) uses of header
   fields in the kernel, it would be good to have a look at those well,
  
   I think we need to come up with a loader which does load an image
   without kernel header so that we can test. Otherwise, we'll probably
   end up with buggy code anyway. The stub code assumes the the loaded
   image pointed to by the system table is the whole image. Seems like
   we'd need to add code to determine if it is whole kernel image or
   image without initial header. Stub would have to handle both cases.
   For instance, one case would want image placed at 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET,
   other case would want 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET+sizeof(kernel header).
  
 
  No, this has nothing to do with misaligned data.
 
  The PE/COFF .text section does not start at virtual offset #0 but at
  virtual offset 'stext - efi_head'.
  In other words, there is a hole in the virtual image where the header
  is supposed to be.
  So if there is no PE/COFF section describing what data should be put
  at offset #0 by the loader, we can't assume the header is there, even
  if ImageBase does start at #0
 
  I get that. You're supposing UEFI will always allocate memory for the
  full image, but only sometimes copy the PE/COFF headers. I can see your
  point from a PE/COFF perspective, but not so much from the UEFI spec
  perspective where the language leads me to think it treats the PE/COFF
  images as one unit wrt loading. In any case, it really isn't worth
  arguing about. I don't have any objection to the patch since it won't
  break anything from my perspective and it'll protect against breakage
  which could possibly occur with some firmware implementations.
 
 
 I am reviving this old thread because it appears we may have seen an
 issue involving shim and GRUB where data not covered by any loadable
 PE/COFF section was not actually loaded to memory. In this case, it
 was the .reloc section, not the header but the conclusion should be
 the same.
 
 @Peter: this is a second-hand account so perhaps you could fill in
 with some details? Original thread is here:
 http://marc.info/?l=linux-arm-kernelm=140542202520933w=2

So what happened with the shim+grub .reloc problem was that grub's
binary has relocations (which I think don't strictly need to be
processed), but shim's relocation code was *completely* defective.

Then I fixed shim to try to process relocations, but got it wrong
because in my mind data directories were file addresses rather than
relative virtual addresses (often they are identical, but by spec
they're RVAs). In grub's binary, everything has matching file addresses
and RVAs.  So grub worked, but other things did not.  That change is
here:

https://github.com/mjg59/shim/commit/a846aedd0e9dfe26ca6afaf6a1db8a54c20363c1

Then I realized that they are always RVAs 

Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-07-21 Thread Ard Biesheuvel
On 17 July 2014 16:09, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 23:13 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 On 16 July 2014 23:03, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 22:38 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
  On 16 July 2014 21:45, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
   On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:53 +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
   On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel 
 by branching
 to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to 
 find the header
 containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.

 However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the 
 header may
 not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 
 'stext'
 directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by 
 supplying a
 symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative 
 offset of
 stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations 
 of the same
 value with a reference to 'stext_offset'
   
Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
firmware loads the whole file into RAM?
  
   From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
   guaranteed per the UEFI spec.
  
   I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.
  
  
   Could be. I didn't see anything about it in the UEFI spec, but I
   probably wasn't exhaustive in my search. In any case, there's at
   least one other place broken if the kernel header isn't included
   in the loaded image.
  
 
  I have not been able to find anything in the PE/COFF documents that
  tells you what to put in memory areas that are not covered by a
  section. Expecting the header to be there is indeed relying on an
  implementation detail, which seems risky.
  And indeed, if there are any other (non EFI related) uses of header
  fields in the kernel, it would be good to have a look at those well,
 
  I think we need to come up with a loader which does load an image
  without kernel header so that we can test. Otherwise, we'll probably
  end up with buggy code anyway. The stub code assumes the the loaded
  image pointed to by the system table is the whole image. Seems like
  we'd need to add code to determine if it is whole kernel image or
  image without initial header. Stub would have to handle both cases.
  For instance, one case would want image placed at 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET,
  other case would want 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET+sizeof(kernel header).
 

 No, this has nothing to do with misaligned data.

 The PE/COFF .text section does not start at virtual offset #0 but at
 virtual offset 'stext - efi_head'.
 In other words, there is a hole in the virtual image where the header
 is supposed to be.
 So if there is no PE/COFF section describing what data should be put
 at offset #0 by the loader, we can't assume the header is there, even
 if ImageBase does start at #0

 I get that. You're supposing UEFI will always allocate memory for the
 full image, but only sometimes copy the PE/COFF headers. I can see your
 point from a PE/COFF perspective, but not so much from the UEFI spec
 perspective where the language leads me to think it treats the PE/COFF
 images as one unit wrt loading. In any case, it really isn't worth
 arguing about. I don't have any objection to the patch since it won't
 break anything from my perspective and it'll protect against breakage
 which could possibly occur with some firmware implementations.


OK, thanks.

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Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-07-17 Thread Mark Salter
On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 23:13 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 On 16 July 2014 23:03, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 22:38 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
  On 16 July 2014 21:45, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
   On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:53 +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
   On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel 
 by branching
 to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to find 
 the header
 containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.

 However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the 
 header may
 not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 
 'stext'
 directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by 
 supplying a
 symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative 
 offset of
 stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations of 
 the same
 value with a reference to 'stext_offset'
   
Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
firmware loads the whole file into RAM?
  
   From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
   guaranteed per the UEFI spec.
  
   I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.
  
  
   Could be. I didn't see anything about it in the UEFI spec, but I
   probably wasn't exhaustive in my search. In any case, there's at
   least one other place broken if the kernel header isn't included
   in the loaded image.
  
 
  I have not been able to find anything in the PE/COFF documents that
  tells you what to put in memory areas that are not covered by a
  section. Expecting the header to be there is indeed relying on an
  implementation detail, which seems risky.
  And indeed, if there are any other (non EFI related) uses of header
  fields in the kernel, it would be good to have a look at those well,
 
  I think we need to come up with a loader which does load an image
  without kernel header so that we can test. Otherwise, we'll probably
  end up with buggy code anyway. The stub code assumes the the loaded
  image pointed to by the system table is the whole image. Seems like
  we'd need to add code to determine if it is whole kernel image or
  image without initial header. Stub would have to handle both cases.
  For instance, one case would want image placed at 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET,
  other case would want 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET+sizeof(kernel header).
 
 
 No, this has nothing to do with misaligned data.
 
 The PE/COFF .text section does not start at virtual offset #0 but at
 virtual offset 'stext - efi_head'.
 In other words, there is a hole in the virtual image where the header
 is supposed to be.
 So if there is no PE/COFF section describing what data should be put
 at offset #0 by the loader, we can't assume the header is there, even
 if ImageBase does start at #0

I get that. You're supposing UEFI will always allocate memory for the
full image, but only sometimes copy the PE/COFF headers. I can see your
point from a PE/COFF perspective, but not so much from the UEFI spec
perspective where the language leads me to think it treats the PE/COFF
images as one unit wrt loading. In any case, it really isn't worth
arguing about. I don't have any objection to the patch since it won't
break anything from my perspective and it'll protect against breakage
which could possibly occur with some firmware implementations.


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Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-07-16 Thread Mark Salter
On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel by 
 branching
 to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to find the header
 containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.
 
 However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the header may
 not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 'stext'
 directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by supplying a
 symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative offset of
 stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations of the same
 value with a reference to 'stext_offset'

Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
firmware loads the whole file into RAM?


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Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-07-16 Thread Mark Rutland
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
 On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
  After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel by 
  branching
  to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to find the 
  header
  containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.
  
  However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the header may
  not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 'stext'
  directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by supplying a
  symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative offset of
  stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations of the same
  value with a reference to 'stext_offset'
 
 Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
 Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
 firmware loads the whole file into RAM?

From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
guaranteed per the UEFI spec.

I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.

Thanks,
Mark.
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Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-07-16 Thread Mark Salter
On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:53 +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
  On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
   After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel by 
   branching
   to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to find the 
   header
   containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.
   
   However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the header 
   may
   not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 'stext'
   directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by supplying 
   a
   symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative offset of
   stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations of the 
   same
   value with a reference to 'stext_offset'
  
  Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
  Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
  firmware loads the whole file into RAM?
 
 From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
 guaranteed per the UEFI spec.
 
 I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.
 

Could be. I didn't see anything about it in the UEFI spec, but I
probably wasn't exhaustive in my search. In any case, there's at
least one other place broken if the kernel header isn't included
in the loaded image.


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Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-07-16 Thread Ard Biesheuvel
On 16 July 2014 23:03, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 22:38 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 On 16 July 2014 21:45, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:53 +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
   On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel by 
branching
to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to find 
the header
containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.
   
However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the 
header may
not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 
'stext'
directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by 
supplying a
symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative 
offset of
stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations of 
the same
value with a reference to 'stext_offset'
  
   Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
   Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
   firmware loads the whole file into RAM?
 
  From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
  guaranteed per the UEFI spec.
 
  I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.
 
 
  Could be. I didn't see anything about it in the UEFI spec, but I
  probably wasn't exhaustive in my search. In any case, there's at
  least one other place broken if the kernel header isn't included
  in the loaded image.
 

 I have not been able to find anything in the PE/COFF documents that
 tells you what to put in memory areas that are not covered by a
 section. Expecting the header to be there is indeed relying on an
 implementation detail, which seems risky.
 And indeed, if there are any other (non EFI related) uses of header
 fields in the kernel, it would be good to have a look at those well,

 I think we need to come up with a loader which does load an image
 without kernel header so that we can test. Otherwise, we'll probably
 end up with buggy code anyway. The stub code assumes the the loaded
 image pointed to by the system table is the whole image. Seems like
 we'd need to add code to determine if it is whole kernel image or
 image without initial header. Stub would have to handle both cases.
 For instance, one case would want image placed at 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET,
 other case would want 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET+sizeof(kernel header).


No, this has nothing to do with misaligned data.

The PE/COFF .text section does not start at virtual offset #0 but at
virtual offset 'stext - efi_head'.
In other words, there is a hole in the virtual image where the header
is supposed to be.
So if there is no PE/COFF section describing what data should be put
at offset #0 by the loader, we can't assume the header is there, even
if ImageBase does start at #0

 Am I just missing something here? Your arm64/efi: efistub: get text
 offset and image size from the Image header patch makes no sense if we
 can't rely on header being there.


No, you're right, I reversed my position after doing that work and
digging into the details. I will drop those patches and proposed this
one instead.

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Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-07-16 Thread Mark Salter
On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 22:38 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
 On 16 July 2014 21:45, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:53 +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
   On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel by 
branching
to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to find 
the header
containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.
   
However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the 
header may
not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 
'stext'
directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by 
supplying a
symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative 
offset of
stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations of 
the same
value with a reference to 'stext_offset'
  
   Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
   Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
   firmware loads the whole file into RAM?
 
  From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
  guaranteed per the UEFI spec.
 
  I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.
 
 
  Could be. I didn't see anything about it in the UEFI spec, but I
  probably wasn't exhaustive in my search. In any case, there's at
  least one other place broken if the kernel header isn't included
  in the loaded image.
 
 
 I have not been able to find anything in the PE/COFF documents that
 tells you what to put in memory areas that are not covered by a
 section. Expecting the header to be there is indeed relying on an
 implementation detail, which seems risky.
 And indeed, if there are any other (non EFI related) uses of header
 fields in the kernel, it would be good to have a look at those well,

I think we need to come up with a loader which does load an image
without kernel header so that we can test. Otherwise, we'll probably
end up with buggy code anyway. The stub code assumes the the loaded
image pointed to by the system table is the whole image. Seems like
we'd need to add code to determine if it is whole kernel image or
image without initial header. Stub would have to handle both cases.
For instance, one case would want image placed at 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET,
other case would want 2MiB+TEXT_OFFSET+sizeof(kernel header).

Am I just missing something here? Your arm64/efi: efistub: get text
offset and image size from the Image header patch makes no sense if we
can't rely on header being there.


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Re: [PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-07-16 Thread Roy Franz
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Ard Biesheuvel
ard.biesheu...@linaro.org wrote:
 On 16 July 2014 21:45, Mark Salter msal...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 16:53 +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 03:51:37PM +0100, Mark Salter wrote:
  On Tue, 2014-07-15 at 12:58 +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
   After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel by 
   branching
   to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to find the 
   header
   containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.
  
   However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the 
   header may
   not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 
   'stext'
   directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by 
   supplying a
   symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative offset 
   of
   stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations of the 
   same
   value with a reference to 'stext_offset'
 
  Have you actually seen a situation where the header isn't there?
  Isn't the kernel header actually part of the pe/coff file and
  firmware loads the whole file into RAM?

 From my understanding of Ard's earlier comments, this part isn't
 guaranteed per the UEFI spec.

 I would rather we weren't relying on implementation details.


 Could be. I didn't see anything about it in the UEFI spec, but I
 probably wasn't exhaustive in my search. In any case, there's at
 least one other place broken if the kernel header isn't included
 in the loaded image.


 I have not been able to find anything in the PE/COFF documents that
 tells you what to put in memory areas that are not covered by a
 section. Expecting the header to be there is indeed relying on an
 implementation detail, which seems risky.
 And indeed, if there are any other (non EFI related) uses of header
 fields in the kernel, it would be good to have a look at those well,

I looked through the UEFI spec, and didn't see anything really helpful
in this regard.  However the ImageBase address that is returned
by the loadedImageProtocol is the address of the header, and this
address is aligned as specified in the PE/COFF header.  It would
be strange to specify the alignment of something that is not expected
to be loaded.
It's probably worth asking on the edk2 list regarding what the UEFI
specification requires.

Roy
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[PATCH v2] arm64/efi: efistub: jump to 'stext' directly, not through the header

2014-07-15 Thread Ard Biesheuvel
After the EFI stub has done its business, it jumps into the kernel by branching
to offset #0 of the loaded Image, which is where it expects to find the header
containing a 'branch to stext' instruction.

However, the header is not covered by any PE/COFF section, so the header may
not actually be loaded at the expected offset. So instead, jump to 'stext'
directly, which is at the base of the PE/COFF .text section, by supplying a
symbol 'stext_offset' to efi-entry.o which contains the relative offset of
stext into the Image. Also replace other open coded calculations of the same
value with a reference to 'stext_offset'

Signed-off-by: Ard Biesheuvel ard.biesheu...@linaro.org
---
 arch/arm64/kernel/efi-entry.S |  3 ++-
 arch/arm64/kernel/head.S  | 10 ++
 2 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

diff --git a/arch/arm64/kernel/efi-entry.S b/arch/arm64/kernel/efi-entry.S
index 619b1dd7bcde..a0016d3a17da 100644
--- a/arch/arm64/kernel/efi-entry.S
+++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/efi-entry.S
@@ -61,7 +61,8 @@ ENTRY(efi_stub_entry)
 */
mov x20, x0 // DTB address
ldr x0, [sp, #16]   // relocated _text address
-   mov x21, x0
+   ldr x21, =stext_offset
+   add x21, x0, x21
 
/*
 * Flush dcache covering current runtime addresses
diff --git a/arch/arm64/kernel/head.S b/arch/arm64/kernel/head.S
index a2c1195abb7f..78ddae28b090 100644
--- a/arch/arm64/kernel/head.S
+++ b/arch/arm64/kernel/head.S
@@ -137,6 +137,8 @@ efi_head:
 #endif
 
 #ifdef CONFIG_EFI
+   .globl  stext_offset
+   .setstext_offset, stext - efi_head
.align 3
 pe_header:
.ascii  PE
@@ -160,7 +162,7 @@ optional_header:
.long   0   // SizeOfInitializedData
.long   0   // SizeOfUninitializedData
.long   efi_stub_entry - efi_head   // AddressOfEntryPoint
-   .long   stext - efi_head// BaseOfCode
+   .long   stext_offset// BaseOfCode
 
 extra_header_fields:
.quad   0   // ImageBase
@@ -177,7 +179,7 @@ extra_header_fields:
.long   _edata - efi_head   // SizeOfImage
 
// Everything before the kernel image is considered part of the header
-   .long   stext - efi_head// SizeOfHeaders
+   .long   stext_offset// SizeOfHeaders
.long   0   // CheckSum
.short  0xa // Subsystem (EFI application)
.short  0   // DllCharacteristics
@@ -222,9 +224,9 @@ section_table:
.byte   0
.byte   0   // end of 0 padding of section name
.long   _edata - stext  // VirtualSize
-   .long   stext - efi_head// VirtualAddress
+   .long   stext_offset// VirtualAddress
.long   _edata - stext  // SizeOfRawData
-   .long   stext - efi_head// PointerToRawData
+   .long   stext_offset// PointerToRawData
 
.long   0   // PointerToRelocations (0 for executables)
.long   0   // PointerToLineNumbers (0 for executables)
-- 
1.8.3.2

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