Re: Invitation and RFC: Linux Plumbers Device Tree track proposed

2015-04-14 Thread Mark Rutland
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 04:36:15PM +0100, Rob Herring wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Rowand, Frank
 frank.row...@sonymobile.com wrote:
  In recent years there have been proposed tools to aid in the creation of 
  valid
  device trees and in debugging device tree issues.  An example of this is the
  various approaches proposed (with source code provided) to validate device 
  tree
  source against valid bindings.  As of today, device tree related tools,
  techniques, and debugging infrastructure have not progressed very far.  I 
  have
  submitted a device tree related proposal for the Linux Plumbers 2015 
  conference
  to spur action and innovation in such tools, techniques, and debugging
  infrastructure.
 
  The current title of the track is Device Tree Tools, Validation, and
  Troubleshooting.  The proposal is located at
 
 
  http://wiki.linuxplumbersconf.org/2015:device_tree_tools_validation_and_trouble_shooting
 
  I am looking for several things at the moment:
 
 1) Suggestions of additional topics to be discussed.
 
 A few things on my list:
 
 - Supported and not supported overlay usecases

I guess Kernel-driven overlay application (it's been called quirks
elsewhere) would fall under this? It's rather scary, and would need
fairly strict rules to be feasible and remain maintainable, which is
going to limit where it can be used.

I think the core guys for that are on the list already?

 - Standardizing Android dtb handling. Appended DTB for arm64? Not
 liked by upstream, but already in use.

If people are going to package a kernel and DTB together, it would be
nice if they could at least be easily decomposed (using something like
FIT).

So +1 for that discussion.

 2) Emails or other messages expressing an interest in attending the
device tree track.

I'm interested.

 3) Commitments to attend the device tree track (the conference committee
is looking at attendee interest and commitments as part of the process
of accepting the device tree track).

If the DT track goes ahead, I'll be there.

Mark.
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Re: Invitation and RFC: Linux Plumbers Device Tree track proposed

2015-04-14 Thread Rob Herring
On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Rowand, Frank
frank.row...@sonymobile.com wrote:
 In recent years there have been proposed tools to aid in the creation of valid
 device trees and in debugging device tree issues.  An example of this is the
 various approaches proposed (with source code provided) to validate device 
 tree
 source against valid bindings.  As of today, device tree related tools,
 techniques, and debugging infrastructure have not progressed very far.  I have
 submitted a device tree related proposal for the Linux Plumbers 2015 
 conference
 to spur action and innovation in such tools, techniques, and debugging
 infrastructure.

 The current title of the track is Device Tree Tools, Validation, and
 Troubleshooting.  The proposal is located at


 http://wiki.linuxplumbersconf.org/2015:device_tree_tools_validation_and_trouble_shooting

 I am looking for several things at the moment:

1) Suggestions of additional topics to be discussed.

A few things on my list:

- Supported and not supported overlay usecases
- Tools for overlays - I think overlays has created new challenges in
validation and a need for new tools. How to test an overlay applies?
Generating a dtb from dts + overlay dts. Generating an overlay from a
diff of old and new dts (overlay as a way to update old dtbs)
- Shrinking the binding review fire hose. How to improve binding
documentation structure and review.
- Standardizing Android dtb handling. Appended DTB for arm64? Not
liked by upstream, but already in use.


2) Emails or other messages expressing an interest in attending the
   device tree track.

3) Commitments to attend the device tree track (the conference committee
   is looking at attendee interest and commitments as part of the process
   of accepting the device tree track).

I plan to attend. I'm probably attending some of the Android mini conf
too, so I'll have to split my time.

4) Identifying additional people who should attend the device tree track.

Arnd Bergmann
Matt Porter
Jon Loeliger
Gaurav Minocha

Rob

 The desired outcome of the device tree track is to encourage the future
 development of tools, process, etc to make device tree related development,
 test, review and system administration more efficient, faster, easier, more
 robust, and to improve troubleshooting and debugging facilities.  Some
 examples of areas of interest could include:
- make it easier to create correct device tree source files
- support for debugging incorrect device tree source files
- create a kernel that correctly boots one or more specific device trees
  (eg a kernel configured to include the proper drivers and subsystems)
- create drivers that properly work for a device tree binding definition
- create drivers that support detecting errors in the related node(s) in
  a device tree

 The wiki page lists additional areas of interest.

 Thanks,

 Frank Rowand
 Sony Mobile Communications
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Re: Invitation and RFC: Linux Plumbers Device Tree track proposed

2015-04-14 Thread Arnd Bergmann
On Tuesday 14 April 2015 10:36:15 Rob Herring wrote:
 
 4) Identifying additional people who should attend the device tree track.
 
 Arnd Bergmann
 Matt Porter
 Jon Loeliger
 Gaurav Minocha

Sorry, I won't be there. I should have replied earlier, but I'll be on
parental leave at the time.

Arnd
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