Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: Q: default vs. default (e.g. exportfs)

2011-08-11 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Andrew Beekhof  schrieb am 12.08.2011 um 02:29 in 
>>> Nachricht
:
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Ulrich Windl
>  wrote:
> Andrew Beekhof  schrieb am 11.08.2011 um 07:57 in 
> Nachricht
> > :
> >> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Ulrich Windl
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Hi!
> >> >
> >> > I frequently see problems I don't understand:
> >> > When configuring an exportfs resource using "crm" shell without 
> >> > explicitly
> >> specifying operations or timeouts, I get warnings like these:
> >> > WARNING: prm_nfs_v03: default timeout 20s for start is smaller than the
> >> advised 40
> >> >
> >> > I wonder: If the default is "40s",
> >>
> >> It is not the default.
> >> It is the recommended minimum for that operation on that resource.
> >
> > OK,
> >
> > let's rephrase it: If there is an advertised minimum, and I do not specify 
> a timeout, why isn't hat advertised minimum used (as a default)?
> 
> Because its only a recommendation
> Because you may have configured it outside of the shell - with a tools
> which doesn't know about the agent's metadata.
> Because the metadata might be different on other machines in the cluster.

Hi!

Sorry, but I get more new questions than answers:

The operation defaults an in the CIB, while the minimums are in the RA's 
metadata, right? So any configuration tool should have access to both data. Why 
shouldn't a tool have access to the RA's metadata? Also why should those 
metadata be different on individual nodes of one cluster? I'd consider it a bug 
if different nodes have different versions of the RA installed.

Regards,
Ulrich


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Re: [Linux-HA] Antw: Re: Q: default vs. default (e.g. exportfs)

2011-08-11 Thread Andrew Beekhof
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Ulrich Windl
 wrote:
 Andrew Beekhof  schrieb am 11.08.2011 um 07:57 in 
 Nachricht
> :
>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Ulrich Windl
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > I frequently see problems I don't understand:
>> > When configuring an exportfs resource using "crm" shell without explicitly
>> specifying operations or timeouts, I get warnings like these:
>> > WARNING: prm_nfs_v03: default timeout 20s for start is smaller than the
>> advised 40
>> >
>> > I wonder: If the default is "40s",
>>
>> It is not the default.
>> It is the recommended minimum for that operation on that resource.
>
> OK,
>
> let's rephrase it: If there is an advertised minimum, and I do not specify a 
> timeout, why isn't hat advertised minimum used (as a default)?

Because its only a recommendation
Because you may have configured it outside of the shell - with a tools
which doesn't know about the agent's metadata.
Because the metadata might be different on other machines in the cluster.

>
> Ulrich
>
>>
>> > and I specify none, why isn't that default used?
>> > Is it because CRM has ist own defaults?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ulrich
>> >
>> >
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[Linux-HA] Antw: Re: Q: default vs. default (e.g. exportfs)

2011-08-11 Thread Ulrich Windl
>>> Andrew Beekhof  schrieb am 11.08.2011 um 07:57 in 
>>> Nachricht
:
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Ulrich Windl
>  wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I frequently see problems I don't understand:
> > When configuring an exportfs resource using "crm" shell without explicitly 
> specifying operations or timeouts, I get warnings like these:
> > WARNING: prm_nfs_v03: default timeout 20s for start is smaller than the 
> advised 40
> >
> > I wonder: If the default is "40s",
> 
> It is not the default.
> It is the recommended minimum for that operation on that resource.

OK,

let's rephrase it: If there is an advertised minimum, and I do not specify a 
timeout, why isn't hat advertised minimum used (as a default)?

Ulrich

> 
> > and I specify none, why isn't that default used?
> > Is it because CRM has ist own defaults?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ulrich
> >
> >
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