Re: [Linux-ha-dev] Meta configuration namespace
On 5/21/06, Lars Marowsky-Bree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2006-05-21T07:13:16, Alan Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lars has always wanted RAs to time themselves (which I thought was > madness), so he may disagree with us on this. If you can't represent me correctly, please do not at all ;-) I prefer to speak for myself. I said that there's value in RAs having time-outs on the (possibly blocking) external commands they run in some cases, and then might escalate to a more forceful way of, say, shutting down a resource instance. (ask nicely, ask with force, kill processes - the Oracle database agent for FailSafe had such logic.) That's got nothing to do with the current discussion, though. > Do they show up in the normal namespace now? Yes. That's a "bug" though, they shouldn't. > >And even the compatibility shouldn't be too bad since the LRM gets > >these values from the CRM not the parameter list. > The one I know shows up is "target_role". This is kind of annoying in > the GUI. So in my thinking (futile and clouded though it is), it's the > example I tend to have in mind. Now that I think of it some more, whether the GUI learns to treat a meta_attributes section differently or treat attributes starting with "crm_meta_" differently probably doesn't matter one way or the other. But, how to describe defaults for these in the RA metadata then? Probably ought to go into the section in the metadata then :-/ perhaps something like s/parameter/option/: ... blah blah blah ___ Linux-HA-Dev: Linux-HA-Dev@lists.linux-ha.org http://lists.linux-ha.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-ha-dev Home Page: http://linux-ha.org/
Re: [Linux-ha-dev] Meta configuration namespace
On May 21, 2006, at 3:47 PM, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:On 2006-05-21T13:45:10, Andrew Beekhof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another question... should things like an operation's interval/ timeout also show up in the meta namespace or the regular one?Momentarily ignoring issues of compatibility, I think it should be the meta namespace. Meta, clearly.ok. followup question... when do you want it? GM or SP1? -- Andrew Beekhof "Would the last person to leave please turn out the enlightenment?" - TISM ___ Linux-HA-Dev: Linux-HA-Dev@lists.linux-ha.org http://lists.linux-ha.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-ha-dev Home Page: http://linux-ha.org/
Re: [Linux-ha-dev] Meta configuration namespace
On 2006-05-21T07:13:16, Alan Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lars has always wanted RAs to time themselves (which I thought was > madness), so he may disagree with us on this. If you can't represent me correctly, please do not at all ;-) I prefer to speak for myself. I said that there's value in RAs having time-outs on the (possibly blocking) external commands they run in some cases, and then might escalate to a more forceful way of, say, shutting down a resource instance. (ask nicely, ask with force, kill processes - the Oracle database agent for FailSafe had such logic.) That's got nothing to do with the current discussion, though. > Do they show up in the normal namespace now? Yes. That's a "bug" though, they shouldn't. > >And even the compatibility shouldn't be too bad since the LRM gets > >these values from the CRM not the parameter list. > The one I know shows up is "target_role". This is kind of annoying in > the GUI. So in my thinking (futile and clouded though it is), it's the > example I tend to have in mind. Now that I think of it some more, whether the GUI learns to treat a meta_attributes section differently or treat attributes starting with "crm_meta_" differently probably doesn't matter one way or the other. But, how to describe defaults for these in the RA metadata then? Probably ought to go into the section in the metadata then :-/ Sincerely, Lars Marowsky-Brée -- High Availability & Clustering SUSE Labs, Research and Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - A Novell Business -- Charles Darwin "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" ___ Linux-HA-Dev: Linux-HA-Dev@lists.linux-ha.org http://lists.linux-ha.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-ha-dev Home Page: http://linux-ha.org/
Re: [Linux-ha-dev] Meta configuration namespace
On 2006-05-21T13:45:10, Andrew Beekhof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another question... should things like an operation's interval/ > timeout also show up in the meta namespace or the regular one? > > Momentarily ignoring issues of compatibility, I think it should be > the meta namespace. Meta, clearly. -- High Availability & Clustering SUSE Labs, Research and Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - A Novell Business -- Charles Darwin "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" ___ Linux-HA-Dev: Linux-HA-Dev@lists.linux-ha.org http://lists.linux-ha.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-ha-dev Home Page: http://linux-ha.org/
Re: [Linux-ha-dev] Meta configuration namespace
Andrew Beekhof wrote: Another question... should things like an operation's interval/ timeout also show up in the meta namespace or the regular one? Momentarily ignoring issues of compatibility, I think it should be the meta namespace. I agree with you on this - unless the OCF spec says otherwise. Then I agree with it :-). Lars has always wanted RAs to time themselves (which I thought was madness), so he may disagree with us on this. Do they show up in the normal namespace now? And even the compatibility shouldn't be too bad since the LRM gets these values from the CRM not the parameter list. The one I know shows up is "target_role". This is kind of annoying in the GUI. So in my thinking (futile and clouded though it is), it's the example I tend to have in mind. -- Alan Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Openness is the foundation and preservative of friendship... Let me claim from you at all times your undisguised opinions." - William Wilberforce ___ Linux-HA-Dev: Linux-HA-Dev@lists.linux-ha.org http://lists.linux-ha.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-ha-dev Home Page: http://linux-ha.org/
