Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Schlomo Schapiro wrote: Hi, first I would like to recommend Shlomi fot his noble act of trying to organize a dinner. I tried myself once and failed :-( Anyway, as a possible solution to all the food conflicts I again suggest my original idea: Let us make a Linux picknick. The organizers organize the fire and everybody can bring their own food (kosher, veggie or piggy, or even boiled egg...) and drink (I suppose the drink could be organized for all). It would safe a lot of money (for NIS 70 you get enough at any super market) and could be much more fun. That sounds wonderful! -- Moshe Zadka [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no IGLU cabal. http://advogato.org/person/moshez = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Strange very high load
Hi, actually it doesn't seem to be connected to NFS at all since at the time when it happenes there are no NFS mounts active. It happens always when amanda (the backup system) is backing up our network. It also seems to happen only if there is a big backup job. A small job was done without this effect. Schlomo On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Elya Ga Yerr wrote: Hi! As far as I understood from linux-networking list, the problem with eepro100 hasn't been solved yet. My machines are nfs clients , but maybe the same thing happens with a server as well. What I have done is canceled nfs over tcp ( that I usedbefore) and used nfs v.2( there is a flag in mount ~nfsvers=2) It increased the stability but still the hangs happen sometimes. Maybe try to check SGI patches for NFS3 I gave up for awhile, linux nfs implementation sux! Elya Schlomo Schapiro wrote: Hi, I have this combination. I already exchanged the driver to the e100 one from Intel, but no change. Was this on the NFS server or the NFS client ? I am using knfsd on this machine and will try the normal one, too. Thanks, Schlomo On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Elya Ga Yerr wrote: Hi! I saw very similar problem caused by nfs mount hangs, especially it happens when using nfs over tcp and with eepro100 card. If you have one of above the odds are this is it. Hope it helps Elya Schlomo Schapiro wrote: Hi, I am suddenly getting a very high load (10) but the actual number of processes stays more or less constant. Also the CPU utilisation is low (10%). This is a PIII 500MHz with 256 MB RAM (which was not detected automatically, btw). The problem is that this high load is blocking all kind of programs and I can't run new programs. Did anybody experience such a problem ? How can I find out what program is causing this high load (as I understand the load reflects the number of processes spawned per second. It seems that there is a program that spawns all the time new processes, how can I find it ?) Schlomo -- Schlomo Schapiro Computation Authority Hebrew University of Jerusalem Tel: ++972 / 2 / 65-84404 Fax: 65-27349 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://shum.cc.huji.ac.il/~schapiro = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Schlomo Schapiro Computation Authority Hebrew University of Jerusalem Tel: ++972 / 2 / 65-84404 Fax: 65-27349 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://shum.cc.huji.ac.il/~schapiro -- Schlomo Schapiro Computation Authority Hebrew University of Jerusalem Tel: ++972 / 2 / 65-84404 Fax: 65-27349 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://shum.cc.huji.ac.il/~schapiro = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner
At the risk of being sucked into this flame war, I'll put in my two cents. I do not hold with "davka" people. I don't think eating only non-kosher food is a healthy thing for your soul. I also happen to think that when a large group containing also people that cannot eat non-kosher is assembled, making sure that the food is kosher is basic politness, and cannot be waved. I can understand MosheZ on one point - this point is something called "consumer boycott". Basically - I see a behaviour that I deem wrong. I understand that this behaviour comes (like everything else) from financial reasons (i.e. - the fear of all the people that will not buy from me if I don't keep it kosher makes me go and make it kosher). I say "fine, I'll create a counter pressure group", and I boycott places that have a kosher certificate. Not because I have anything against kosher, or those places. Just because I want those places to understand that they have something to lose by doing what I see as giving in to blackmail (the fact that a place is open on Sabbath, for instance, bears no relation whats'oever to the question of whether the food is kosher. I have checked that with authorized people). Three points I would like made clear at this stage: A. This is not a consumer boycott I personally apply, just one I can understand. B. I don't think this applies in any way to a case in which the decision is made for a large group of people, especially if it is known that this group contains people who cannot eat non-kosher. C. I understand that even MosheZ doesn't claim that the place should be non-kosher, just that he will not attend under those circumstances. I am sure we can all grow to appretiate MosheZ insistance on the matter he believes in, but not change our decision as a result. Just my ~8 agorout worth Shachar Gavrie Philipson wrote: Moshe Zadka wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Gavrie Philipson wrote: Hmm... and what are your criteria for it "being kosher"? Is a certificate from the Rabbanut enough for you not to come Yes. I don't want a place with a certificate. (In fact, a place with the conservative certificate is fine by me -- I just don't want a place with a Rbbanut certificate) Of course: The desire by some people to see a certificate that assures them the food meets certain rules is discriminatory and politically incorrect. But, your desire to eat only is a place *not* bearing such a certificate is not. It's only when *you* need to come toward the *other* side that discrimination starts. Gavrie. -- Gavrie Philipson Netmor Applied Modeling Research Ltd. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A question about GUI.
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RE: A question about GUI.
Hi there, I have a question about creating GUI for programs. I wrote an application in c++, and i'd like to create for it a GUI. in which libraries do i have to use or can i use javascript to create the GUI? There are many GUI libraries: TK, GTK, QT, Motif, Xlib, Athena and more. Motif, xlib, and Athena are considered difficult so you may prefer not to use them. If you want to use javascript there are several solutions: 1. through a browser - you'll have to get your program to interface with the browser through html, basicly to write a webserver. Not recomended. 2. Independent JavaScript viewer - take a look at NJS. Basicly - use of javascript as a C++ frontend is interesting - but untested and may be problematic in many ways. Not recomended - unless you have a good reason to do that. Chen. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A question about GUI.
Check out this page : http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/7184/guitool.html There is a list of different GUI toolkits with thier descriptions. And I really doubt that it is possible to create GUI in javascript. javascript is working only on browser (or in windows for scripting system/COM and viruses via WindowsScriptingHost). Regards, Evgeny Shani Mazliach wrote: Hi there, I have a question about creating GUI for programs. I wrote an application in c++, and i'd like to create for it a GUI. in which libraries do i have to use or can i use javascript to create the GUI? thank you in advance, Shani. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A question about GUI.
Heh, Thats easy - use QT Designer - the best professional tool to easily create GUI in few minutes.. Hetz Shani Mazliach wrote: Hi there, I have a question about creating GUI for programs. I wrote an application in c++, and i'd like to create for it a GUI. in which libraries do i have to use or can i use javascript to create the GUI? thank you in advance, Shani. Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hetz Ben Hamo Intelligence Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aduva Inc. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner)
Well, After reading the thread about the linux dinner, I might point out several points which will help to choose resturant: A. Kosher-keepers can always eat vegtables. I know you want the plate to be kosher as well, but you are advised to open the Halacha and find out that this is "Siag" that was added only in the recent years (do you really think that in the second house time, when people were poor, they held two plates sets?). B. Non-Kosher-keepers - I'm a participant in several groups which act against "Kfia Datit", and other related stuff (Hofesh, Da'at Emet, if it rings a bell). I also boyocott as much as I can Kosher products, but those who have "Badatz Stamp". If you want to boyocott Kosher stamp of the State's Rabbis, fine with me, but I think that if the only kosher stamp is from the "Rabanot Rashit" than this product is ok (though, I of course prefer it to be non kosher, as it would lower the cost of the product). The money paid for the state for Kosher stamps goes to the state, and not to attack Chilonim, "Lehaczir otam betshuva", etc. Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Logic is in the eye of the logician" -Gloria Steinem On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Shachar Shemesh wrote: At the risk of being sucked into this flame war, I'll put in my two cents. I do not hold with "davka" people. I don't think eating only non-kosher food is a healthy thing for your soul. I also happen to think that when a large group containing also people that cannot eat non-kosher is assembled, making sure that the food is kosher is basic politness, and cannot be waved. I can understand MosheZ on one point - this point is something called "consumer boycott". Basically - I see a behaviour that I deem wrong. I understand that this behaviour comes (like everything else) from financial reasons (i.e. - the fear of all the people that will not buy from me if I don't keep it kosher makes me go and make it kosher). I say "fine, I'll create a counter pressure group", and I boycott places that have a kosher certificate. Not because I have anything against kosher, or those places. Just because I want those places to understand that they have something to lose by doing what I see as giving in to blackmail (the fact that a place is open on Sabbath, for instance, bears no relation whats'oever to the question of whether the food is kosher. I have checked that with authorized people). Three points I would like made clear at this stage: A. This is not a consumer boycott I personally apply, just one I can understand. B. I don't think this applies in any way to a case in which the decision is made for a large group of people, especially if it is known that this group contains people who cannot eat non-kosher. C. I understand that even MosheZ doesn't claim that the place should be non-kosher, just that he will not attend under those circumstances. I am sure we can all grow to appretiate MosheZ insistance on the matter he believes in, but not change our decision as a result. Just my ~8 agorout worth Shachar = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner)
- Original Message - From: "Orr Dunkelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner) Well, After reading the thread about the linux dinner, I might point out several points which will help to choose resturant: A. Kosher-keepers can always eat vegtables. I know you want the plate to be kosher as well, but you are advised to open the Halacha and find out that this is "Siag" that was added only in the recent years (do you really think that in the second house time, when people were poor, they held two plates sets?). Well, IANAR (I'm not a Rabbi). Are you one? However, the mere deed of sitting and eating in a non-kosher restaurant is Halachically forbidden, because of something called "Mar'it Ayin": If someone sees an observant Jew eating in a non-kosher place, he may think that the place is kosher and eat there too. Therefore, your point is moot. Gavrie. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner)
A rabbi was walking home from the Temple and saw one of his good friends, a pious and learned man who could usually beat the rabbi in an argument. The rabbi started walking faster so that he could catch up to his friend when he was horrified to see his friend go into a Chinese restaurant (not a kosher one). Standing at the door he observed his friend talking to a waiter and gesturing at a menu. A short time later, the waiter reappeared carrying a platter full of spare ribs, shrimp in lobster sauce, crab rangoon and other treif (non kosher food) that the rabbi could not bear to think about them. As his friend picked up the chopsticks and began to eat this food, the rabbi burst into the restaurant and reproached his friend for he could take it no longer. "Morris, what is this you are doing? I saw you come into this restaurant, order this filth and now you are eating it in violation of everything we are taught about the dietary laws and with an apparent enjoyment that does not befit your pious reputation!" Morris replied, "Rabbi, did you see me enter this restaurant? (rabbi nods yes). Did you see me order this meal? (again he nods yes). Did you see the waiter bring me this food? (again he nods yes). And did you see me eat it? (nods yes). Then, rabbi, I don't see the problem here. The entire thing was done under rabbinical supervision!" And "Marit Eyen" afaik, is again a "siag". But again, I pointed out two things (and I'm not a rabbi, but some of the things I do is to learn Halacha, and I do know rabbi to ask him). Orr Dunkelman, [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Logic is in the eye of the logician" -Gloria Steinem On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Gavrie Philipson wrote: - Original Message - From: "Orr Dunkelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:28 PM Subject: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner) Well, After reading the thread about the linux dinner, I might point out several points which will help to choose resturant: A. Kosher-keepers can always eat vegtables. I know you want the plate to be kosher as well, but you are advised to open the Halacha and find out that this is "Siag" that was added only in the recent years (do you really think that in the second house time, when people were poor, they held two plates sets?). Well, IANAR (I'm not a Rabbi). Are you one? However, the mere deed of sitting and eating in a non-kosher restaurant is Halachically forbidden, because of something called "Mar'it Ayin": If someone sees an observant Jew eating in a non-kosher place, he may think that the place is kosher and eat there too. Therefore, your point is moot. Gavrie. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I need a service provider for Linux in the Jerusalem area
My company is contemplating a change to a Linux server from Novel NetWare, but is stuck on the question of finding Linux support localy. GL computers who we usualy do business with does not have a Linux guy. They want me to find a Linux support source that could, in case of catastrophic server failure, get a box up on the network and apply the tape backups. The box could be built byGL if necessary. Do you know of a computer store that has a Linux guy, or another source of support localy to Jerusalem? Please reply via e-mail so I do not miss the message. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, hope to come to a meeting someday. Greg
Re: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner)
And even doing things for appearances sake ("Mar'it Ayin") is not so clear
cut. If you do something for "Mar'it Ayin", then it is a legitimate
argument, by some orthodox people as well, that it were better had you not
observed the rule at all.
Now personally, when dining in a group some of which eats kosher, I'd
prefer a kosher place, and being vegeterian, some vegeterian selection is
necessary. It is more common to find vegeterian selections which are
certainly vegeterian in kosher places (although I have been offered fish
in kosher places a few times when I asked about the vegerian selection -
I usually reply that while I'm sure the fish was vegeterian when he was
alive...)
Thanks,
Uri
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Gavrie Philipson wrote:
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From: "Orr Dunkelman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner)
Well, After reading the thread about the linux dinner, I might point out
several points which will help to choose resturant:
A. Kosher-keepers can always eat vegtables. I know you want the plate to
be kosher as well, but you are advised to open the Halacha and find out
that this is "Siag" that was added only in the recent years (do you really
think that in the second house time, when people were poor, they held two
plates sets?).
Well, IANAR (I'm not a Rabbi). Are you one? However, the mere deed of
sitting and eating in a non-kosher restaurant is Halachically forbidden,
because of something called "Mar'it Ayin": If someone sees an observant Jew
eating in a non-kosher place, he may think that the place is kosher and eat
there too. Therefore, your point is moot.
Gavrie.
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Re: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner)
So is this thread. Take it to the streets and parliment, where it belongs. I vote for a picnic. Matti At 01:40 PM 21/8/00 +0300, gavrie frothed wrote: Therefore, your point is moot. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Organizing a Linux Dinner
Sorry to be that late in this discussion but I also won't come it it's not Kosher. Arie Haenel IT Engineer - IPD Line NDS Technologies Israel Ltd. -Original Message- From: Moshe Zadka [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, 20 August, 2000 12:32 To: Shlomi Fish Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Shlomi Fish wrote: Please send your suggestions for the restaurant to this list. The requirements for the restaurant are: 1. Being Kosher. Why Kosher? How many people will not come if it's not Kosher? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I need a service provider for Linux in the Jerusalem area
My company is contemplating a change to a Linux server from Novel NetWare, but is stuck on the question of finding Linux support localy. GL computers who we usualy do business with does not have a Linux guy. They want me to find a Linux support source that could, in case of catastrophic server failure, get a box up on the network and apply the tape backups. The box could be built by GL if necessary.=20 Do you know of a computer store that has a Linux guy, or another source of support localy to Jerusalem?=20 IMHO this makes no sense. If you need to have someone like that on call, tou probably need someone to maintain the system and do the conversion. Why not hire a good linux sysadmin in the first place? Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson Tel: (03) 6944-211 Fax: (03) 6944-225 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendmail problems with large mailboxes
I have encountered a huge drawback of Sendmail (or the default imap daemon of RedHat). I use imap to access the e-mail box of mails that are handled by Sendmail. Since the mailbox is plain text file and not some kind of database it takes a long time to delete or edit messages. For example, for 200MB e-mailbox it takes 5 minutes to delete a simple message ! How is it possible to solve this problem? Will a better imapd implementation will fix the problem? Or is it the end of Sendmail... Thank you, Oved Blass FixFax - Get your faxes by e-mail http://fixfax.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Sendmail problems with large mailboxes
Hello and thank you for your answer. Are you using imap? - I don't think it is a communication problem, the disk is working continuosly for minutes, whenever I delete a message. Isn't it because the mailbox file is text, so accessing a certain message takes a long time? The e-mail client is MS Outlook Express version 5.0 and the long delay occurs whenever I use the command PURGE. Did anyone encountered this problem? Oved Blass FixFax - Get your faxes by e-mail http://fixfax.co.il -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alex Dubrovsky Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 4:50 PM To: Oved Blass Subject: Re: Sendmail problems with large mailboxes I have much bigger mailboxes folders with no problem Check your client and network configuration - backresolving issues can slow things down considerably , so can a bad network link and a bad client. Oved Blass wrote: I have encountered a huge drawback of Sendmail (or the default imap daemon of RedHat). I use imap to access the e-mail box of mails that are handled by Sendmail. Since the mailbox is plain text file and not some kind of database it takes a long time to delete or edit messages. For example, for 200MB e-mailbox it takes 5 minutes to delete a simple message ! How is it possible to solve this problem? Will a better imapd implementation will fix the problem? Or is it the end of Sendmail... Thank you, Oved Blass FixFax - Get your faxes by e-mail http://fixfax.co.il Regards Alex Dubrovsky System Administrator Nbase Communications Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 972-4-9936290 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sendmail problems with large mailboxes
I have encountered a huge drawback of Sendmail (or the default imap daemon of RedHat). I use imap to access the e-mail box of mails that are handled by Sendmail. Since the mailbox is plain text file and not some kind of database it takes a long time to delete or edit messages. For example, for 200MB e-mailbox ittakes 5 minutes to delete a simple message ! How is it possible to solve this problem? Will a better imapd implementation will fix the problem? Or is it the end of Sendmail... To be safe the daemon probably copies the mailbox, and then deletes the old, and relinks, so it reads and writes 200MB, so on a more or less current IDE 5400 RPM disk, 5 minutes might be reasonable. If your users have a large number of messages in their folders, then maildir might be a better idea than mailbox. I don't know if there is maildir support for sendmail, but there is for qmail. -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sendmail problems with large mailboxes
IMHO (and lot's of other people) sendmail is "outdated". There is so called "Second Generation MTA" like qmail, postfix, exim. My favorite is qmail. On of the nice things about it, it's that he makes use of so called maildir format. Instaed of storing all the messages in one big mailbox, each message has it's own file, therefor operations like deleting one message is much faster. I think that configuration like this might be more efficient in your case: Qmail (www.qmail.org) Vpopmail (virtual pops manager, http://www.inter7.com/vpopmail/ ) Courier-IMAP.(http://www.inter7.com/courierimap) Nice doc about how to install qmail : http://Web.InfoAve.Net/~dsill/lwq.html (some of the programs used in this manual resides here: http://cr.yp.to). Regards, Evgeny Oved Blass wrote: I have encountered a huge drawback of Sendmail (or the default imap daemon of RedHat). I use imap to access the e-mail box of mails that are handled by Sendmail. Since the mailbox is plain text file and not some kind of database it takes a long time to delete or edit messages. For example, for 200MB e-mailbox it takes 5 minutes to delete a simple message ! How is it possible to solve this problem? Will a better imapd implementation will fix the problem? Or is it the end of Sendmail... Thank you, Oved Blass FixFax - Get your faxes by e-mail http://fixfax.co.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sendmail problems with large mailboxes
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: AFAIK, imapd copies the mailbox, not sendmail/procmail. Both qpopper and imapd can be configured to copy the mailbox aside, deal with it, and then replace it. 1). Handling 200MB of mailbox is utterly stupid, no one should be keeping a mailbox this size. 2). Running a mail server where performance is an issue on a 5400rpm ide disk is not a wise choice. Suggestions: Check what imapd you are running. Make sure it's a new one. I don't think this is the problem. DO NOT KEEP 200MB of mail in your mailbox !!! If you decide to compile a new imapd, check the performance features it has. For example, on a mail server where mailbox sizes are not allowed to bypass 10MB, but we have some 4 mboxes, we use features like copying the mailbox to swap (/tmp on solaris) to make things work faster, and save IO. But you need a alot of memory (512MB-1GB). --Ariel I have encountered a huge drawback of Sendmail (or the default imap daemon of RedHat). I use imap to access the e-mail box of mails that are handled by Sendmail. Since the mailbox is plain text file and not some kind of database it takes a long time to delete or edit messages. For example, for 200MB e-mailbox ittakes 5 minutes to delete a simple message ! How is it possible to solve this problem? Will a better imapd implementation will fix the problem? Or is it the end of Sendmail... To be safe the daemon probably copies the mailbox, and then deletes the old, and relinks, so it reads and writes 200MB, so on a more or less current IDE 5400 RPM disk, 5 minutes might be reasonable. If your users have a large number of messages in their folders, then maildir might be a better idea than mailbox. I don't know if there is maildir support for sendmail, but there is for qmail. -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner
This must be the stupidest way of thought I've seen. It shows you are not even +AF8-trying+AF8- to hear an opinion different than yours, even if it's logical. Why is the idea of people +ACo-not+ACo- going into a restaurant because they serve meat and also coffee with milk seem FINE to you, while on the other hand the objection of going to a restaurant that +ACo-refuses+ACo- to serve coffee with milk seems okay?+ACE- And about asking 'when does a restaurant stop being kosher', common - I hope you were just asking for the sake of the argument, because if you were serious it shows a lot about your ability to understand complex logical sentences (and if this is the case, just delete this e-mail and get on with your life. You're going to miss most of the ideas I try to express here). If religious people have strict and coherent rules which tell them which restaurants they will or will not eat in, what makes it difficult for you to understand that some non-religious people have similar rules too? I, for one, will +AF8-not+AF8- eat in a +AF8-kosher+AF8- McDonalds. Never. No matter how hungry I am, or how much I like McDonalds. I will try to avoid going into a kosher restaurant altogether if I have a choice. Other people have other rules (see http://www.hofesh.org.il for some other examples) some are much stricter than I am. Just a few words about this 'religious' war. Notice that neither Moshe nor I said anything bad about the religious people's freedom to choose their restaurants. On the other hand, a large group tried to condemn Moshe for doing this exact same thing. Man, this country needs a HUKA... - Aviram - Original Message - From: +ACI-Gavrie Philipson+ACI- +ADw-gavrie+AEA-netmor.com+AD4- To: +ACI-Moshe Zadka+ACI- +ADw-moshez+AEA-math.huji.ac.il+AD4- Cc: +ADw-linux-il+AEA-linux.org.il+AD4- Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 7:50 AM Subject: Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner +AD4- Moshe Zadka wrote: +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Nadav Har'El wrote: +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- (i.e., the dinner will probably be kosher +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- after all, whether MosheZ likes it or not). +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- It's not a matter of +ACI-liking+ACI-, it's a matter of being there. +You're free +AD4- +AD4- to have the dinner wherever you want -- I won't be there if it's Kosher. +AD4- +AD4- I'm sorry I didn't make it clearer sooner. +AD4- +AD4- Hmm... and what are your criteria for it +ACI-being kosher+ACI-? +AD4- Is a certificate from the Rabbanut enough for you not to come, or must +AD4- the food itself be non-kosher? Is kosher meat acceptable, as long as +AD4- it's served with cheese? Does the act of adding the cheese render the +AD4- meal acceptable to you, which otherwise it wouldn't be? +AD4- And, as one of the criteria was the option of vegetarian meals -- are +AD4- you going to order special, genetically-engineered non-kosher +AD4- vegetables, maybe produced by adding pig genes to vegetables? +AD4- +AD4- Grow up+ACE- +AD4- +AD4- Gavrie. +AD4- +AD4- -- +AD4- Gavrie Philipson +AD4- Netmor Applied Modeling Research Ltd. +AD4- +AD4- ++AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQA9AD0APQ- +AD4- To unsubscribe, send mail to linux-il-request+AEA-linux.org.il with +AD4- the word +ACI-unsubscribe+ACI- in the message body, e.g., run the command +AD4- echo unsubscribe +AHw- mail linux-il-request+AEA-linux.org.il +AD4- +AD4- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sendmail problems with large mailboxes
AFAIK, imapd copies the mailbox, not sendmail/procmail. Both qpopper and imapd can be configured to copy the mailbox aside, deal with it, and then replace it. That's what I said. But if the daemon access a maildir rather than a mailbox, no copying should occur. 1). Handling 200MB of mailbox is utterly stupid, no one should be keeping a mailbox this size. Why? should I divide the linux-kernel to multiple folders so that searches will be less easy? There is no problem with 200MB or 20GB databases. 2). Running a mail server where performance is an issue on a 5400rpm ide disk is not a wise choice. With the correct software a 486 with an ISA ide drive can be a perfectly good mail server (and not require 5 minutes for handling large mail folders). -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sendmail problems with large mailboxes
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: Why? should I divide the linux-kernel to multiple folders so that searches will be less easy? There is no problem with 200MB or 20GB databases. A text mailbox is not a database. Try to remember that not all imap and pop servers know how to deal with a distributed mailbox (like qmails maildir). You do want to have users read e-mail I hope. 2). Running a mail server where performance is an issue on a 5400rpm ide disk is not a wise choice. With the correct software a 486 with an ISA ide drive can be a perfectly good mail server (and not require 5 minutes for handling large mail folders). I beg to differ. This is just a sendmail vs. others argument, and otherwise BS. Try to deal with the question at hand, instead of beginning another religious war. Yes, you hate sendmail. --Ariel -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sendmail problems with large mailboxes
On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Ariel Biener wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Matan Ziv-Av wrote: Why? should I divide the linux-kernel to multiple folders so that searches will be less easy? There is no problem with 200MB or 20GB databases. A text mailbox is not a database. Try to remember that not all imap and pop servers know how to deal with a distributed mailbox (like qmails maildir). You do want to have users read e-mail I hope. What is a mail folder if not a database? Choosing to represent this database in a flat file is a good choice in some situations, and bad in some others (as it is in this case). Of course you need to install servers that understand maildir format. Once you do, the pop and imap _clients_ that your users use don't care a bit. Except for the fact that they can delete message 56789 from the mail folder with 25 messages within a second. 2). Running a mail server where performance is an issue on a 5400rpm ide disk is not a wise choice. With the correct software a 486 with an ISA ide drive can be a perfectly good mail server (and not require 5 minutes for handling large mail folders). I beg to differ. This is just a sendmail vs. others argument, and otherwise BS. Try to deal with the question at hand, instead of beginning another religious war. Yes, you hate sendmail. I don't know anything about sendmail. I guess adding maildir support to sendmail is not very hard (for example, by using procmail for the local delivery is concerned). Once you do that, it is as good as qmail for the purpose discussed. It will work without problem on a 486. -- Matan Ziv-Av. [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner
Aviram,
First, use a standards-compliant mailer (such as something
non-Microsoft) -- especially on a Linux mailing list. Your quotation
marks are quite wacky.
Aviram Jenik wrote:
This must be the stupidest way of thought I've seen. It shows you are not
even +AF8-trying+AF8- to hear an opinion different than yours, even if it's logical.
Why is the idea of people +ACo-not+ACo- going into a restaurant because they serve
meat and also coffee with milk seem FINE to you, while on the other hand the
objection of going to a restaurant that +ACo-refuses+ACo- to serve coffee with milk
seems okay?+ACE-
And about asking 'when does a restaurant stop being kosher', common - I hope
you were just asking for the sake of the argument, because if you were
serious it shows a lot about your ability to understand complex logical
sentences (and if this is the case, just delete this e-mail and get on with
your life. You're going to miss most of the ideas I try to express here).
Well, of course deeming anyone who thinks different than you as
"illogical" is a very mature and logical act by itself.
The people who don't go into a restaurant serving meatmilk do so for a
reason (whether logical or not). The person who doesn't go into a
restaurant _refusing_ to serve meatmilk does so just out of spite. Or
do you want to tell me that you never eat a meal at home in which meat
and milk are not mixed? In that case I stand corrected.
If religious people have strict and coherent rules which tell them which
restaurants they will or will not eat in, what makes it difficult for you to
understand that some non-religious people have similar rules too?
I, for one, will +AF8-not+AF8- eat in a +AF8-kosher+AF8- McDonalds. Never. No matter
how
hungry I am, or how much I like McDonalds.
Neither will I. Never. A company that serves non-kosher food just for
the purpose of it isn't going to see any revenue from me. So, at least
we agree on something ;-)
I will try to avoid going into a
kosher restaurant altogether if I have a choice. Other people have other
rules (see http://www.hofesh.org.il for some other examples) some are much
stricter than I am.
Just a few words about this 'religious' war. Notice that neither Moshe nor I
said anything bad about the religious people's freedom to choose their
restaurants. On the other hand, a large group tried to condemn Moshe for
doing this exact same thing. Man, this country needs a HUKA...
I think the point of disagreement is very simple: Religious people
follow specific rules for a *reason* (whether good or not is not the
issue).
Trying to create an artificial "Anti-religion" -- just to do the
opposite of what religous people do -- out of principle ("davka") is
something different altogether.
Anyway, let's move this discussion to some other place.
Gavrie.
--
Gavrie Philipson
Netmor Applied Modeling Research Ltd.
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Re: Kosher vs. Non-Kosher (was Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner)
Matti Picus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So is this thread. Take it to the streets and parliment, where it belongs. Or, at the very least, take it to IGLU. Linux-il is supposed to be a technical list, not the one for discussing community activities. Even RedHat/Debian, Emacs/vi, awk/perl, lisp/forth, and Hungarian vs. Reverse Polish religious wars are considered off-topic here. -- Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... We work by wit, and not by witchcraft; And wit depends on dilatory time." [Shakespeare] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Organizing a Linux Dinner
OD I'm terribly sorry I had to interfer. I do not see why the code of OD behivour of religious people is less "davka" than of a secular person. I Because you and you comerades raiser a flamewar on the list (well, it really was a flamefest, since observant people just said one short phrase each), while observans just said about their limitations. I, personally, now sure I won't be there. No, kosher is not much of a problem for me (though I try to eat kosher when possible). Lack of respect *is* a problem for me. When people disrespect their fellows and even don't hestitate to publicize and argue it - it don't want be there. Ok, enough with offtopic. Dixi. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Corel 2.0 ISO
Title: Corel 2.0 ISO Did anyone try to dl a Corel Linux 2.0 ISO file, which was released 15/08 according to Corel ? Looking at the filename at ftp.linuxberg.com (cdl27181633-osV1.2.tgz-control-free_download.cat.iso) this is old 1.2 version. But their download link (Corel Linux site) sends you here, promising 2.0. It will take 2 days to dl with my channel, and am not so happy to get a 450 mb file of old distro... === = Evgeny Popov = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = Water Management SCADA Centers Developer = = NT Linux System Administrator = = ELECTRICAL MECHANICAL SERVICES = = SUBSIDIARY OF MEKOROT WATER CO.LTD =
