What is missing before we have out-of-the-box Linux Hebrew experiencein RedHat 8.0/Gnome desktop?
In this message I'm trying to determine what is still missing from standard Linux distributions before full out-of-the-box support for Hebrew can be claimed. What I am doing here is gap analysis - analysis of the gap between full out-of-the-box Linux Hebrew experience and what we have today. I installed a fresh RedHat 8.0 installation, choosing to install all packages from CD-ROMs 1,2,3. When the installer asked me to, I chose to install English, Hebrew, Russian and (Egyptian) Arabic, but I think all languages were installed. I use the Gnome desktop. Can someone else please write a similar gap analysis for KDE? 1. Keyboard layout switcher (gkb): To add it to the bottom panel: Right click on the panel/Add to panel/Utility/Keyboard layout switcher Even after addition of Hebrew (and/or xkb Hebrew) keyboard, it is not possible to enter Hebrew text, apparently because gkb does not allow me to set the Codepage to something not already listed in its combo box, and the combo box list contains neither UTF-8 nor iso-8859-8. 2. Nadav Har'EL's export LC_CTYPE=he_IL setxkbmap -compat group_led -symbols us(pc101)+il+group(shift_toggle)+group(switch) works as claimed by him. But it is not an out-of-the-box experience. 3. I installed the Culmus fonts by means of: rpm -U culmus-fonts-0.71-1.noarch.rpm However, it seems that there are no post-installation scripts, so only xfontsel sees the new fonts. Neither AbiWord nor gedit see them. (I didn't check Lyx or other font-using applications). I tried to restart xft (the X Font Server), and after it was restarted, several font-using applications (emacs, AbiWord, gedit, etc.) failed at startup due to failure to find fonts. A full reboot of the machine fixed this problem. 4. wish (Tk) displays Hebrew text on buttons after I changed LC_CTYPE to he_IL.utf-8, however the text was not converted from logical order into visual order. I didn't test the Tk text editing widget. If other people can share their experiences with the most recent versions of distributions, I'm willing to summarize their experiences in a full gap analysis document. The rule of the game is: No hand editing of files - the goal is to allow a Linux newbie to install Linux with Hebrew and get it working without too much fuss. A package (RPM for RedHat and Mandrake, deb for Debian, etc.) is OK, because it can be assumed to be added to a future version of the stock distribution. If you have a suggestion, please post a script which embodies the suggestion after ensuring (as much as possible) that it works not only in your own Linux installation. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is missing before we have out-of-the-box Linux Hebrew experience in RedHat 8.0/Gnome desktop?
Interesting read (though I'm a Debian user). I tried to restart xft (the X Font Server), and after it was restarted, several font-using applications (emacs, AbiWord, gedit, etc.) failed at startup due to failure to find fonts. A full reboot of the machine fixed this problem. What about a full restart (CTRL-Backspace) of the X server? What about logout/login? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
On Saturday 08 February 2003 19:20, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
10x for the informative links.
On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Meir Kriheli wrote:
Two other notes:
* the reason for this change is to make keyboard configuration in linux
easier. There is still the limit of 4 layouts (groups) that is probably
not going away anytime soon, but this change has made X keyboard
configuration much more sane. At least if you want to configure something
like English+Russion+Hebrew or English+Hebrew+Arabic . This should also
hopefully allow kxkb work in a more sane mode of operation with new XFree
X servers .
I guess we can live with that limit for now :-)
* Another small change with XFree 4.3: (){}[] . All of those eight keys
were mirrored. This is expected to confuse KDE , but help to mozilla and
probably to OpenOffice.
I'm using kde cvs and the 8 keys appear as they should. Mozilla still shows
them mirrored (shift+9 shows as shift+0 etc.).
Is it still in the TODO list (I'm using xfree86 4.2.99.4) or was that change
forsaken ?
Cheers
--
Meir Kriheli
MKsoft systems
http://www.mksoft.co.il
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Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
well, I do think that it should be done by a higher level toolkit. Like in windows Please remember that shift9 means open braces, and shift0 means close them. Yes, and if XFree 4.3 fixed the keymap, it's very simple to fix in Qt. I'll just remove the hack I introduced to fix XFrees broken keyboard mapping. How they are represented on screen is another thing. X is doing something that before qt did. I actually bereave the bidi should be rendered inside X and not gtk or qt. I don't think so. You cannot do complex text rendering inside the server. This is more or less impossible without making things unusably slow. It would still work for Hebrew, but for arabic it has to break (and would be hopeless for indic languages). The problem here is, that the client has to know about font metrics. These change according to string context, so you'd have to query the server for font metrics of every string you want to render, leading to one server roundtrip for each string. It would take 10-100 times as long to render strings than it does today. Anyways, it's not related to the keyboard problem. That one is easy to solve. Search for Q_WS_X11 in qtextedit.cpp and qlineedit.cpp in the Qt sources, and remove the #ifdef'd part where the comment says something about a broken keyboard layout on X11. there were practically no negative comments (to my surprise. I didn't like this proposed change, and was looking for such comments!) I'm all for this change, as it'll allow me to remove that stupid hack in Qt for X11 (which btw could easily fail in some situations). Cheers, Lars = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: well, I do think that it should be done by a higher level toolkit. Like in windows Please remember that shift9 means open braces, and shift0 means close them. How they are represented on screen is another thing. X is doing something that before qt did. I actually bereave the bidi should be rendered inside X and not gtk or qt. This is exactly just like logical hebrew again. Before people used visual hebrew since logical was not available, but when logical was available it had broken the visual which was hacked. Quite frankly this is also my opinion. But when I stated it on ivrix-discuss, the majority of the opinions there were that the mirroring should be done in the keymap level. Add to that the fact that the two newer bidi keyboard layouts (Farsi and Syriac) have parens mirrored. (Though The arabic one doesn't have mirroring), and I did want to reduce inconcintency within XFree. This sucks, as it makes it impossible to find one solution for X11. However I implement the handling in Qt, it will be broken for one of the layouts. Either we make all of them logically or all visually. I would very much prefer logical handling. It's consistent to the Unicode standard, and a lot easier implementation wise. That would mean that the keysym parenleft effectively means openparen and always maps to the unicode char 0x28. Anything else is only making everybodies life difficult and makes it impossible to conform 100% to Unicode. Lars Some references: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.region.israel.ivrix.discuss/37 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.region.israel.ivrix.discuss/91 (BTW: news://news.gmame.org/gmane.linux.region.israel/ is this list, for those who didn't know) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is missing before we have out-of-the-box Linux Hebrew experience in RedHat 8.0/Gnome desktop?
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting read (though I'm a Debian user). What complementary actions does one need to do to get full Hebrew in a modern Debian installation? I tried to restart xft (the X Font Server), and after it was restarted, several font-using applications (emacs, AbiWord, gedit, etc.) failed at startup due to failure to find fonts. A full reboot of the machine fixed this problem. What about a full restart (CTRL-Backspace) of the X server? Didn't try it. Next Time (TM). What about logout/login? Tried this before doing full reboot, didn't work for me. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is missing before we have out-of-the-box Linux Hebrew experience in RedHat 8.0/Gnome desktop?
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003, Omer Zak wrote about What is missing before we have out-of-the-box Linux Hebrew experience in RedHat 8.0/Gnome desktop?: I tried to restart xft (the X Font Server), and after it was restarted, several font-using applications (emacs, AbiWord, gedit, etc.) failed at startup due to failure to find fonts. A full reboot of the machine fixed this problem. The slogan goes Linux: Because rebooting is for changing hardware :) I believe that if you kill the font server the existing X-server cannot find new fonts, even if you later start the font server again (I'm not exactly sure why). So all you had to do was to restart the X server, i.e., log out and then log back in - it wasn't actually necessary to reboot. If your favorite desktop's log out form doesn't work because the lack of fonts, just use control-alt-backspace, or kill the X server from a shell. -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Feb 10 2003, 8 Adar I 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Arguing with nyh just doesn't pay off. http://nadav.harel.org.il |-- Muli Ben-Yehuda, Linux-il list = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is missing before we have out-of-the-box Linux Hebrew ex perience in RedHat 8.0/Gnome desktop?
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting read (though I'm a Debian user). What complementary actions does one need to do to get full Hebrew in a modern Debian installation? I'd love to answer that, but I always was hazy about hebrew/character-sets/keyboard bindings and so forth. And in addition I only recently returned to the Linux scene so I'm not even sure what's the situation on my machine right now (I use the default Gnome installation of unstable with GDM, choose default at login, and added the instructions posted here last week to enable switching hebrew/english with both shift keys). What about logout/login? Tried this before doing full reboot, didn't work for me. logout/login doesn't work for me either when I tried it (for other things), I think it doesn't causes a restart of the server, which sounds like what is required. Cheers, --Amos What do you do when linux crashes? Sit in the dark and wait for the power to come back. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird IP problem...
1. Does each computer successfully ping itself in its own NIC's IP address? 2. Does 172.17.4.1 communicate with other computers in the network? 3. Does 172.17.4.202 communicate with other computers in the network? 4. While there is no firewall, is there a bridge or router between them? My suspicion is that either one of the computers fails to communicate also with other computers in the network, due to cable/NIC problems. On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Michael Sternberg wrote: ping from 172.17.4.202 to 172.17.4.1. 100% packets lost. `tcpdump -n -nn host 172.17.4.202` on 172.17.4.1 shows 14:42:50.603943 arp who-has 172.17.4.1 tell 172.17.4.202 14:42:50.603943 arp reply 172.17.4.1 is-at 00:01:02:a4:f9:28 14:42:51.613969arp who-has 172.17.4.1 tell 172.17.4.202 14:42:51.613969 arp reply 172.17.4.1 is-at 00:01:02:a4:f9:28 14:42:52.603994 arp who-has 172.17.4.1 tell 172.17.4.202 14:42:52.603994 arp reply 172.17.4.1 is-at 00:01:02:a4:f9:28 and so on... Looks like 172.17.4.202 does not receives an ARP reply.. I know that there is no firewall between those two and I know that 172.17.4.1 is perfectly OK. What can be the problem ? --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
that would sure have saved us a lot of troubles, but I also heard that there was some patch to pervious X version that add bidi support anyone remembers? does it work? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: well, I do think that it should be done by a higher level toolkit. Like in windows Please remember that shift9 means open braces, and shift0 means close them. How they are represented on screen is another thing. X is doing something that before qt did. I actually bereave the bidi should be rendered inside X and not gtk or qt. This is exactly just like logical hebrew again. Before people used visual hebrew since logical was not available, but when logical was available it had broken the visual which was hacked. Quite frankly this is also my opinion. But when I stated it on ivrix-discuss, the majority of the opinions there were that the mirroring should be done in the keymap level. Add to that the fact that the two newer bidi keyboard layouts (Farsi and Syriac) have parens mirrored. (Though The arabic one doesn't have mirroring), and I did want to reduce inconcintency within XFree. Some references: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.region.israel.ivrix.discuss/37 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.region.israel.ivrix.discuss/91 (BTW: news://news.gmame.org/gmane.linux.region.israel/ is this list, for those who didn't know) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird IP problem...
Quoth Michael Sternberg: Sorry, my mistake. It seems that there were two computers with same MAC address as of 172.17.4.202 on local subnet. Thanks everybody. TWO machines with the SAME MAC address is one machine with a damaged NIC or spoofed MAC. Marc -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Weird IP problem...
-Original Message- From: Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader It seems that there were two computers with same MAC address as of 172.17.4.202 on local subnet. Thanks everybody. TWO machines with the SAME MAC address is one machine with a damaged NIC or spoofed MAC. No, two machines with the same MAC are two different PPC machines that MAC address can be set up by ignorant user (like me :). Michael -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird IP problem...
Quoth Michael Sternberg: No, two machines with the same MAC are two different PPC machines that MAC address can be set up by ignorant user (like me :). Errr... MAC address or IP address? Why the hell play with the MAC address? -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Weird IP problem...
-Original Message- From: Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader No, two machines with the same MAC are two different PPC machines that MAC address can be set up by ignorant user (like me :). Errr... MAC address or IP address? Why the hell play with the MAC address? Because they all coming from production facilities with MAC of 00:00:00:00:00:00. I just have to change it to something reasonable in bootloader. Michael -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird IP problem...
Quoting Michael Sternberg, from the post of Mon, 10 Feb: Errr... MAC address or IP address? Why the hell play with the MAC address? Because they all coming from production facilities with MAC of 00:00:00:00:00:00. I just have to change it to something reasonable in bootloader. jaw dropped say WHAT? never heard of an OEM releasing such faulty hardware. maybe it's a software problem that accidently resets the MAC address during initialization? -- The wizard of Oz Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. msg25711/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Weird IP problem...
Quoth Michael Sternberg: Because they all coming from production facilities with MAC of 00:00:00:00:00:00. I just have to change it to something reasonable in bootloader. Meir, could you please tell us who is the AH who builds nics with nulled macs? That is a crime against humanity. OZ: You're right about dup'ed replies. -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird IP problem...
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003, Ira Abramov wrote about Re: Weird IP problem...: Because they all coming from production facilities with MAC of 00:00:00:00:00:00. I just have to change it to something reasonable in bootloader. jaw dropped say WHAT? never heard of an OEM releasing such faulty hardware. maybe it's a software problem that accidently resets the MAC address during initialization? Maybe it's an anti-DRM mechanism? If hardware had no fixed id, software comanies would not be able to rely on it for machine-bound licenses, and other crap like that :) Remember all the ruckus when Intel thought of adding a CPU id to the Pentium III (if I remember correctly)? That being said, I never saw an Ethernet card that does not come with a unique MAC address from the factory... -- Nadav Har'El| Monday, Feb 10 2003, 8 Adar I 5763 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Linux is just like a wigwam: no Windows, http://nadav.harel.org.il |no Gates and an Apache inside. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird IP problem...
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 17:17, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Sternberg, from the post of Mon, 10 Feb: Errr... MAC address or IP address? Why the hell play with the MAC address? Because they all coming from production facilities with MAC of 00:00:00:00:00:00. I just have to change it to something reasonable in bootloader. jaw dropped say WHAT? Hold your horses, people... *Every* NIC chip comes out of the factory with MAC address 0. Before selling a NIC card to a consumer, the vendor burns in it a MAC out of its bank. But if *you* are the vendor, you have to do it yourself. Michael, I take it you're using hardware produced in your own company? -- Alex Shnitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hectic.net/ UIN 188956 PGP 0xEC5D619D / E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for a sound recorder
On 2003-02-10, David Harel wrote: I am looking for a sound recorder like the simple one that Windows has. I found sox but it is a command line application and I need it to have graphical interface. Sweep_ is a nice editor. It should be able to record too but I didn't test it. . _Sweep: http://www.metadecks.org/software/sweep/ -- Beni Cherniavsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do not feed the Bugzillas. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:53:49 +0200 Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please remember that shift9 means open braces, and shift0 means close them. How they are represented on screen is another thing. No! shift-9 contains engraving (on the plastic) of *left parenthesis* Under your interpretation it would produce a right parenthesis in hebrew. This is completely insane! Reversing keys for convenience should be done *personally* (e.g: via xmodmap) and not globally in the XServer code base. To give you some concrete examples: * Caps-lock / Ctrl keys - Many users hate keyboards where caps-lock is located where CTRL should be - Luckily, nobody thought fixing it in the XServer code - Either you use a correct keyboard - Or you xmodmap you preferences away * Backspace / Delete - Ditto Please, Please, Please, stop this nonsense while you still can!!! The keyboard layout should never (by default) missrepresent the graphic engraving on the keys. Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Code Red, Blue or Green there all a symptom of a far more pervasive and insidious virus, it costs around $200. -anonymous = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mplayer 0.90 is around the corner
what was the end in the argument between mplayer's dev and debian about the license thing? (I hope they would get GUI to work normaly before 0.90..) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Ira Abramov wrote: Winner of the 2002 most-annoying-to-compile and most-dubious-legality-of-code awards (and possibly of 2003 as well), mplayer's new 0.90-rc4 is promissed to be the last before the final 0.90 release. http://mplayerhq.hu/ the release was dubbed FlameCounter after a pretty ugly fight Gabucino had on debian-devel a week or two ago (look for links on his site, he's proud of his idiotic behavior). the short and long of it is: mplayer is now one of the best media players in the market if all you care about is playing flics of all formats with any audio, video and control device combination on the planet. If you're looking for something legal, easy to compile and not too tricky to use, stick to xine/totem and friends, where the gui actually works and less legal spaghetti allowes them to be distributed by the distros in binary form. Gabucino claims his code is entirely GPL, but he does compile it against a few stolen DLLs from windows, and the use of patented algorithems in his code has not been thoroghly checked. for debian users: there is a debian directory in the source, just run debian/rules to compile, unless you want all sorts of compile time features. RTFM (there's a lot of it, and it's all over the mplayer site, badly edited). if you are lazy and want a ready-made version, point your sid machine to: deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main and apt-get install mplayer-686 Enjoy. -- All your base are belong to us Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Graphic toolkit for guile (a Scheme interpreter)?
I am trying to get hold on a graphic toolkit for Scheme, which works with guile. I have browsed the Scheme, guile, GTk+, STk Web sites, and found the following: guile-gtk-0.19.tar.gz guile-gtk-1.2-0.31.tar.gz STk-4.0.1-1.i586.rpm However, it seems that no matter which version I choose, its documentation claims possible incompatibility with whatever I have in my RedHat 8.0 installation. In other words, I have the following packages installed: gtk+-1.2.10-22 gtk2-2.0.6-8 guile-1.4-8 and the corresponding *-devel-* packages. According to Web sites, the most recent version of guile is 1.6, and I don't understand why RedHat didn't include it in their 8.0 distribution. It is claimed that the guile-gtk packages mentioned above are for GTk+-1.2 rather than for GTk+-2.0, and for GTk+-2.0 one should use a gnome-guile package. However I wasn't successful in locating it. Before going ahead and trying to install stuff, can anyone familiar with all this stuff straigthen out my confusion which package should I try with my environment? Thanks, --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is missing before we have out-of-the-box Linux Hebrewexperience in RedHat 8.0/Gnome desktop?
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 11:36:22 +0200 Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2003, Omer Zak wrote: A full reboot of the machine fixed this problem. The slogan goes Linux: Because rebooting is for changing hardware :) Well said. I believe that if you kill the font server the existing X-server cannot find new fonts, even if you later start the font server again (I'm not exactly sure why). So all you had to do was to restart the X server, i.e., IIRC, all that is needed is to let the Xserver rescan the font path: xset fp rehash Why kill the beast :-? Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Linux: like the air you breathe, ubiquitous and free = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
Then we agree: it's a bug in X. Who shall report? Note to self: dont upgrade to X 4.3 yet. - diego ביום שני, 10 בפברואר 2003, 10:34, Lars Knoll כתב: On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: well, I do think that it should be done by a higher level toolkit. Like in windows Please remember that shift9 means open braces, and shift0 means close them. How they are represented on screen is another thing. X is doing something that before qt did. I actually bereave the bidi should be rendered inside X and not gtk or qt. This is exactly just like logical hebrew again. Before people used visual hebrew since logical was not available, but when logical was available it had broken the visual which was hacked. Quite frankly this is also my opinion. But when I stated it on ivrix-discuss, the majority of the opinions there were that the mirroring should be done in the keymap level. Add to that the fact that the two newer bidi keyboard layouts (Farsi and Syriac) have parens mirrored. (Though The arabic one doesn't have mirroring), and I did want to reduce inconcintency within XFree. This sucks, as it makes it impossible to find one solution for X11. However I implement the handling in Qt, it will be broken for one of the layouts. Either we make all of them logically or all visually. I would very much prefer logical handling. It's consistent to the Unicode standard, and a lot easier implementation wise. That would mean that the keysym parenleft effectively means openparen and always maps to the unicode char 0x28. Anything else is only making everybodies life difficult and makes it impossible to conform 100% to Unicode. Lars Some references: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.region.israel.ivrix.discuss/37 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.region.israel.ivrix.discuss/91 (BTW: news://news.gmame.org/gmane.linux.region.israel/ is this list, for those who didn't know) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KCrorn - Solved
Hi Tzafrir, Your solution did it ! Thanks, Amichai. On Saturday 08 February 2003 21:37, you wrote: On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi Clan, I am trying to run a cron job to use the record command as follows: KDEDIR/bin/konsole -e /usr/bin/record -cv -t 00:15 I am using KCron, so it will be easier, but I get errors. When I choose to Run Now in KCron, it runs perfectly: Opens a Konsole terminal with the record app and exits normaly. When waiting for the designated time it doesn't. The user runing it gets an e-mail saying: konsole: cannot connect to X server Guy has already mentioned that for this task (and probably for almost anything run under cron) is better done without running an X client. But since the question was asked... You should run something like: DISPLAY=:0 XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority /path/to/X/program and its args (If there is problem with X authority you'll get a message about connction refused by server and previously something abut anauthorized). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Weird IP problem...
-Original Message- From: Alex Shnitman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 17:17, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Michael Sternberg, from the post of Mon, 10 Feb: Errr... MAC address or IP address? Why the hell play with the MAC address? Because they all coming from production facilities with MAC of 00:00:00:00:00:00. I just have to change it to something reasonable in bootloader. jaw dropped say WHAT? Hold your horses, people... *Every* NIC chip comes out of the factory with MAC address 0. Before selling a NIC card to a consumer, the vendor burns in it a MAC out of its bank. But if *you* are the vendor, you have to do it yourself. Michael, I take it you're using hardware produced in your own company? Wow, what a storm :) Yes of course it's hardware produced by my company. I thought it was clear when I wrote production facilities. Maybe I should add our production facilities... And of course, before sending hardware to a customer we burn an unique MAC address from our assigned range. And by the way it's not a NIC - its just a chip on motherboard (called FEC in PPC lingua). Same MACs (from my first letter) were on two boards given to developers. Michael -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
root fs mount options
Hello How can I tell kernel what mount options to use when mount root fs (/) ? I have in kernel command line root=/dev/mtdblock0 rw and want to use mount option noatime for faster access. I already RTFM `man mount` and linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt Thanks, Michael -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: xkb handling in upcoming 4.3.0
I'd like to concur with that! I though that I missed the line of this discussion because some positions sounded so wierd (mainly stuff like Shift-9 opening braces all the time). Not until this reversing began with KDE have I ever had problems with braces in any language I used on computers and now I keep having to press keys and see what happens when I type hebrew in Linux, this is completly rediculous! So please stop this instanity while you can. Thanks. Please remember that shift9 means open braces, and shift0 means close them. How they are represented on screen is another thing. No! shift-9 contains engraving (on the plastic) of *left parenthesis* Under your interpretation it would produce a right parenthesis in hebrew. This is completely insane! = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: root fs mount options
-Original Message- From: Michael Sternberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] How can I tell kernel what mount options to use when mount root fs (/) ? I have in kernel command line root=/dev/mtdblock0 rw and want to use mount option noatime for faster access. Hello I hate to answer my own question but the possible solution can be adding /dev/mtdblock0 / jffs2 noatime,remount 0 0 to /etc/fstab. The problem with above is that two instances og JFFS2 garbage collectors starts running. `ps` reports: 8 rootZ N [jffs2_gcd_mtd0] 20 rootSWN [jffs2_gcd_mtd0] And I can not kill the first zomby process even with SIGKILL. Any JFFS2 experts around here ? Of course if I could transfer to kernel noatime in command line this problem would not arise.. Thanks, Michael. -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: root fs mount options
Zombies are walking dead - don't worry about them too much except that it would be nice to get rid of them. I wonder if maybe one of them is a child of the other and there are supposed to be two processes? -Original Message- From: Michael Sternberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: RE: root fs mount options -Original Message- From: Michael Sternberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] How can I tell kernel what mount options to use when mount root fs (/) ? I have in kernel command line root=/dev/mtdblock0 rw and want to use mount option noatime for faster access. Hello I hate to answer my own question but the possible solution can be adding /dev/mtdblock0 / jffs2 noatime,remount 0 0 to /etc/fstab. The problem with above is that two instances og JFFS2 garbage collectors starts running. `ps` reports: 8 rootZ N [jffs2_gcd_mtd0] 20 rootSWN [jffs2_gcd_mtd0] And I can not kill the first zomby process even with SIGKILL. Any JFFS2 experts around here ? Of course if I could transfer to kernel noatime in command line this problem would not arise.. Thanks, Michael. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
