Re: pcmcia cardbus lan

2003-02-25 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 07:43, Kfir Lavi wrote:
 is there a problem with cardbus in linux?
 do you have any recomendation about 16/32 bit?
 tnx

I may be completly and utterly wrong here, but I was under the
impression that cardbus == 32bit and pc card == 16 bit...

Anyways, Linux supports 16 bit (pc card) pcmcia cards quite nicely and
most of them are supported. Enough so that I wouldn't worry about buying
a 16 bit card without checking for Linu xsupport.  32bit cardbus support
is more limited and you need to check first before buying.

Here is the ultimate list for both:
http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS

In a completly unrelated note: are you an amateur radio operator and
46is1 is your call sign? if so - where can I buy a radio receiver in
Israel? (obviously, I mean the kind of receiver used for amateur radio
bands, not Galgaltaz...)

Thanks,
Gilad.
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How to activate a modem

2003-02-25 Thread David Harel
Hi,

I have RH 7.3 with kernel 2.4.18-3 running on a HP omnibook laptop with 
a combo adapter 3c556 which includes a 3Com Mini PCI Modem

below a section from /etc/sysconfig/hwconf with the MODEM definition:
What should I do in order to have modem support including a device 
reference /dev/modem?
-
class: MODEM
bus: PCI
detached: 0
driver: unknown
desc: 3Com Corporation|Mini PCI 56k Winmodem
vendorId: 10b7
deviceId: 1007
subVendorId: 10b7
subDeviceId: 6158
pciType: 1

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HAM radio (was: pcmcia cardbus lan)

2003-02-25 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

In a completly unrelated note: are you an amateur radio operator and
46is1 is your call sign? if so - where can I buy a radio receiver in
Israel? (obviously, I mean the kind of receiver used for amateur radio
bands, not Galgaltaz...)
Thanks,
Gilad.
 

Don't you need to get a permit, and pass all sorts of tests, in order to 
get one? Or is a receiver only exempt from these?

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RE: HAM radio (was: pcmcia cardbus lan)

2003-02-25 Thread Arik Baratz
 Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
 
 In a completly unrelated note: are you an amateur radio operator and
 46is1 is your call sign? if so - where can I buy a radio receiver in
 Israel? (obviously, I mean the kind of receiver used for 
 amateur radio
 bands, not Galgaltaz...)
 
 Thanks,
 Gilad.
   
 
 Don't you need to get a permit, and pass all sorts of tests, 
 in order to 
 get one? Or is a receiver only exempt from these?

Here goes.

1. Amatour radio callsigns in Israel match the following regex:

4(X|Z)[1-9][A-Z]{2,3}

My callsign is 4Z5KK, for example.

2. In order to be licensed as an amatour radio operator in Israel, you need to pass an 
examination by the Ministry of Communitations. The test consists of 3 parts: Basic 
electronics, Ham communication protocol, and (for some levels) morse code sending and 
receiving. Yes, there are several licensing levels.

If there is interest I can write more about that, but in general you can buy a book, 
spend a week studying and a license that enables you to transmit with considerable 
power (more that what's allowed for commercial stations) on VHF, UHF and the 2.4GHz 
bands, including data. No, you can't transmit (legally) on the bands allocated for 
commercial communication, but the allocated spectrum is very very generous.

3. In order to buy a transmitter in Israell you have to have a license from the 
Ministry of Communications. Even if you buy it from Motorola, you still need a license 
from the MoC. Usually the vendor who sold it to you handles that. If you're a licensed 
ham, you still need to apply for a license (it's an automatic procedure).

4. There is some restriction on receivers. I'm not entirely sure what it is, but if 
you want to rid yourself of it, you can register as a listener ham. You don't need to 
pass any test, and you get a callsign which is matched by 4X-[0-9]{1,} (for example 
4X-2348). You can buy any receiver then.

5. It is illegal to smuggle anything of this sort through customs. Today's receivers 
and transceivers are small and look much like cellular phones. The customs people 
usually can't tell the difference if you just hang it openly on your belt, so you 
should never attempt anything illegal such as this and advise them that what you are 
carrying is a transceiver.

-- Arik
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Re: HAM radio (was: pcmcia cardbus lan)

2003-02-25 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson

 Gilad asked:
 
 In a completly unrelated note: are you an amateur radio operator and
 46is1 is your call sign? if so - where can I buy a radio receiver in
 Israel? (obviously, I mean the kind of receiver used for amateur radio
 bands, not Galgaltaz...)


As far as I  know, there are NO stores in Israel that still sell 
real shortwave radios. You can find a portable or occasionaly a 
compact stereo that has shortwave reception, but it really won't
do.

Shachar Shemesh wrote:

 Don't you need to get a permit, and pass all sorts of tests, in order to 
 get one? Or is a receiver only exempt from these?

Not for a receiver. However it will be taxed around 60%. With a license
it's taxed only VAT.

Try AES (www.aesham.com) or Universal Radio. AES has better prices,
Universal has better service.

Geoff. (4X1GM) 

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RE: HAM radio (was: pcmcia cardbus lan)

2003-02-25 Thread Arik Baratz

 Try AES (www.aesham.com) or Universal Radio. AES has better prices,
 Universal has better service.

Or http://www.mct.co.il/ - They sell Kenwood equipment as a side business - the guy 
Meir is a ham

Or iCom - http://www.stggroup.co.il/ (they don't mention it on their site for some 
reason)

Or Yaesu - http://www.arrowmid.com/

I couldn't find Alinco's dealer on the net, but it was once (when I bought my Alinco) 
a company called Y.A.D. in Ramat Ha'Sharon.

But they cost a *lot* less in the US.

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Re: How to activate a modem

2003-02-25 Thread David Harel
That is what I was afraid of.
I was hoping the information you mentioned is not up-to-date.
Is there a free service to send faxes using the Internet?
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 11:05, David Harel wrote:
 

Hi,

I have RH 7.3 with kernel 2.4.18-3 running on a HP omnibook laptop with 
a combo adapter 3c556 which includes a 3Com Mini PCI Modem

below a section from /etc/sysconfig/hwconf with the MODEM definition:
What should I do in order to have modem support including a device 
reference /dev/modem?
   

Tough luck. It's a so called Winmode, or software based modem and guess
what? 3Com didn't release drivers for Linux nor the specs required to
write one so it's unusable under Linux.
See here:

http://www2.neweb.ne.jp/wd/fbm/3c556/modem.html

Gilad.
 



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Re: HAM radio (was: pcmcia cardbus lan)

2003-02-25 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003, Arik Baratz wrote about RE: HAM radio (was: pcmcia cardbus 
lan):
  Try AES (www.aesham.com) or Universal Radio. AES has better prices,
  Universal has better service.
 

This is completely off-topic (as this thread was from the start...), but
I am curious:
Many years ago, ham radio was a very interesting way to meet people from
other countries, chat with them, and get to know the world without living
your home and without having your phone bill sky-rocket. These days, what
does ham radio give you that the Internet doesn't, much more conveniently
and without needing any licenses or tests?

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Re: HAM radio (was: pcmcia cardbus lan)

2003-02-25 Thread Omer Zak

On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:

 This is completely off-topic (as this thread was from the start...), but
 I am curious:
 Many years ago, ham radio was a very interesting way to meet people from
 other countries, chat with them, and get to know the world without living
 your home and without having your phone bill sky-rocket. These days, what
 does ham radio give you that the Internet doesn't, much more conveniently
 and without needing any licenses or tests?

This indeed is a very good question.
It is my understanding that the most important social function of radio
hams today is to provide alternative emergency communication network if
the regular networks fail due to natural disaster or war.

This function may become superfluous once protocols and infrastructure for
cellular networks, which don't require central authority, are in place.
Something like the WiFi technology.  Using those technologies and
protocols, any group of cellular phones, which are in proximity to each
other, may communicate with each other without having to rely upon
operational cellular operators.
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RE: [OT] Ham Radio

2003-02-25 Thread Aviram Jenik
 
 Then the Technion launched their sattelite, they have used ham radio 
 frequencies to communicate with it. The agreement with them 
 was that the 
 sattelite will become a ham sattelite for data communication 
 (9600 baud) 
 after the Technion have their way with it. Never happened, though.
 

Only the reason it never happened was the Satellite crashed during take
off (or more accurately, the carrier missile crashed and the satellite
never took off). So you can't blame them for it :-)

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Re: [OT] Ham Radio

2003-02-25 Thread Arik Baratz
Aviram Jenik wrote:


 Then the Technion launched their sattelite, they have used ham radio
 frequencies to communicate with it. The agreement with them
 was that the
 sattelite will become a ham sattelite for data communication
 (9600 baud)
 after the Technion have their way with it. Never happened, though.

Only the reason it never happened was the Satellite crashed during take
off (or more accurately, the carrier missile crashed and the satellite
never took off). So you can't blame them for it :-)
I'm sorry, but you are misinformed. There was a SECOND sattelite (named 
TechSat 2), it DID go up, and it is functioning perfectly to-date. The 
Technion, however, did not repay the ham radio community for the 
bandwidth that was allocated to them and the volunteer-hours that were 
put into it (and don't tell me they were paid - I know some were - 
hardly all).

BTW, the problem with the Arian was that one of the phases in the rocket 
did not separate properly (I think it was the explosive bolts, but I'm 
not sure).

-- Arik



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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Bridges (Re: Intel compiler vs. gcc)

2003-02-25 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Oleg Goldshmidt on Tue, Feb 25, 2003:
 Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Is there anything, which is original Israeli, and which is offered to
  gullible people to test their gullibility?
 
 The network bridge developed by an Israeli startup perfectly
 positioned to take over the dark fiber?

*clap*clap*clap*

Vadik.

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Re: Intel compiler vs. gcc

2003-02-25 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, Feb 24, 2003:
 yes, certainly, I'm aware of make -j 3, but two
 separate projects which look at different files and parts of the
 disk (causing lots of head skips, cache threshing etc)?

The compiler run, from system resources usage point of view, is
consisting of three stages: read, hog CPU, write.  If two
compilers are running in parallel, one can hog the CPU while the
other is waiting for disk I/O.

 It just sounds wierd to me that someone will run two such
 large compilations in parallel and then say that the compiler is
 slow. Slow compared to what? gcc in the same situation?

From what I understood, people are complaining that icc takes
more time to compile the same files than gcc.

Vadik.

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Re: [OT] Ham Radio

2003-02-25 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Arik Baratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm sorry, but you are misinformed. There was a SECOND sattelite
 (named TechSat 2), it DID go up, and it is functioning perfectly
 to-date. The Technion, however, did not repay the ham radio community
 for the bandwidth that was allocated to them and the volunteer-hours
 that were put into it (and don't tell me they were paid - I know some
 were -
 
 hardly all).

AFAIK the official justification for TechSats was that the satellite
would serve amateur radio communications, as you mentioned. This was
the only way they could start the project that they really wanted for
scientific experiments and for educational purposes (students building
satellites and running experiments on them). This is what I recall
from what the PI, Giora Shaviv of the Technion, said at the time. Are
you saying that they did not do whatever they were supposed to do for
the amateur radio community?


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Re: Intel compiler vs. gcc

2003-02-25 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Vadim Vygonets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From what I understood, people are complaining that icc takes
 more time to compile the same files than gcc.

It makes sense to me that a compiler that optimizes better with take
more time.

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Re: [OT] Ham Radio

2003-02-25 Thread Arik Baratz
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:

Arik Baratz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm sorry, but you are misinformed. There was a SECOND sattelite
 (named TechSat 2), it DID go up, and it is functioning perfectly
 to-date. The Technion, however, did not repay the ham radio community
 for the bandwidth that was allocated to them and the volunteer-hours
 that were put into it (and don't tell me they were paid - I know some
 were -

 hardly all).
AFAIK the official justification for TechSats was that the satellite
would serve amateur radio communications, as you mentioned. This was
the only way they could start the project that they really wanted for
scientific experiments and for educational purposes (students building
satellites and running experiments on them). This is what I recall
from what the PI, Giora Shaviv of the Technion, said at the time. Are
you saying that they did not do whatever they were supposed to do for
the amateur radio community?
You are correct, and it is exactly what I am saying.

-- Arik

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Re: Intel compiler vs. gcc

2003-02-25 Thread Vadim Vygonets
Quoth Oleg Goldshmidt on Tue, Feb 25, 2003:
 Vadim Vygonets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  From what I understood, people are complaining that icc takes
  more time to compile the same files than gcc.
 
 It makes sense to me that a compiler that optimizes better with take
 more time.

Yes, it's called a trade-off, and some people (probably those who
compile more) prefer faster compiler with less optimizations.

Vadik.

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RE: [OT] Ham Radio

2003-02-25 Thread Aviram Jenik


  Only the reason it never happened was the Satellite crashed 
 during take
  off 

 I'm sorry, but you are misinformed. There was a SECOND 
 sattelite (named 
 TechSat 2), it DID go up, and it is functioning perfectly 
 to-date. 

I stand corrected (and I just felt like the scene in the time machine
where the guys lands in the 1940s and says I guess the war with Germany
is still on! What a shame it's been going on for almost 30 years now).

- Aviram



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Re: How to activate a modem

2003-02-25 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 02:27:01PM +0200, David Harel wrote:
 That is what I was afraid of.
 I was hoping the information you mentioned is not up-to-date.
 Is there a free service to send faxes using the Internet?
 


  I believe that sending fax using the Internet was discussed several
time on this list. I am too lazy to search the archive so conveniently I
leave it to you. IIRC the last time it was mentioned was when Hetz was
looking for an external modem, a few months ago. I believe that either
searching for fax or external modem might narrow the results space.
  You might also google for free fax or query ISPs.
  
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RE: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread kfir lavi
what is the best for complicated mathematical notations ?

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Subject: Re: Software design document


On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:32:26 +0200
Eli Segal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 which will include text, picture (screens capture) and tables
 It all should be in hebrew ofcourse, and easy transfer to html would be
nice

 What is the best tool for such kind of a job ( a stable one)

My first choice for technical documentation tool is:
LyX - LaTeX - DVI - PostScript
LyX - LaTeX - PDF
(hebrew is Ok thanks to Dekel Tzur).

You can translate to HTML via LaTeX2HTML but I don't like
the quality (pure HTML isn't good enough for presentation).

Another possible course is:
DocBook(SGML/XML) - HTML
DocBook(SGML/XML) - DVI - PostScript - PDF

However LyX support for SGML is quite basic (only simple features
and not the complete DocBook) and I don't know *good* SGML/XML
editor (anybody). Also the output of the current available convertors
from SGML/XML (jade, jadetex) isn't tailored to my likings and
I'm not even close to being an expert in their definition language
(DSSSL -- a Lisp like beast).


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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 06:30:52PM +0200, kfir lavi wrote:

 what is the best for complicated mathematical notations ?

Tex, LaTeX, LyX, no contest.

MS Word equation editor if you're feeling masochist. 
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RE: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread kfir lavi
is the conversion to pdf is easy, with no faults?

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Subject: Re: Software design document


On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 06:30:52PM +0200, kfir lavi wrote:

 what is the best for complicated mathematical notations ?

Tex, LaTeX, LyX, no contest.

MS Word equation editor if you're feeling masochist. 
-- 
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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:00:05PM +0200, kfir lavi wrote:

 is the conversion to pdf is easy, with no faults?

Yes. Let me know if you want to see my LaTeX makefile, which is based
on Oleg's. Also, make sure to follow the advice at
http://www.advogato.org/person/ladypine/diary.html?start=37 for
producing a valid pdf. 
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Re: How to activate a modem

2003-02-25 Thread Eliran Gonen
Shaul Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
 On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 02:27:01PM +0200, David Harel wrote:
  That is what I was afraid of.
  I was hoping the information you mentioned is not up-to-date.
  Is there a free service to send faxes using the Internet?

One might try using: www.faxhozer.co.il

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RE: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, kfir lavi wrote:

 is the conversion to pdf is easy, with no faults?


It is for English documents, but not for Hebrew documents if you wish them
to be viewed correctly with Acrobat Reader. I tried running pdfelatex on
documents with some Hebrew in it, and the generated PDF still looks
horrible in Acrobat Reader. This is the case with Mandrake 9.0.

English is fine with pdflatex.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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 Subject: Re: Software design document


 On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 06:30:52PM +0200, kfir lavi wrote:

  what is the best for complicated mathematical notations ?

 Tex, LaTeX, LyX, no contest.

 MS Word equation editor if you're feeling masochist.
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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:16:45PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 It is for English documents, but not for Hebrew documents if you wish them
 to be viewed correctly with Acrobat Reader. I tried running pdfelatex on
 documents with some Hebrew in it, and the generated PDF still looks
 horrible in Acrobat Reader. This is the case with Mandrake 9.0.

I have a hebrew document sitting on the table next to me, made with
LaTeX, viewed by gv and acroread and printed through acroread, and it
looks absolutely fine, even the hebrew parts. If it looks bad for you,
try to investigate any font problems. 

 English is fine with pdflatex.

I've never used pdflatex, but dvips - ps2pdf works. 
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Mozilla's Menu-Bar does not display any fonts

2003-02-25 Thread Shlomi Fish

Hi!

After I installed the Mozilla Googlebar:

http://googlebar.mozdev.org/

Whenever I invoke Mozilla (as any user and profile) I get a menu-bar
whose fonts are not displayed at all. The other toolbars (navigation and
bookmarks) are displayed fine as is the various tabs of the sidebar, but
still it is quite unusable.

Galeon displays fine.

How do I restore it?

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Dan Kenigsberg
I'm afraid I'll have to chill out the optimism a bit. The original post asked
about writing a complicated /hebrew/ document. The situation of ivritex, the
hebrew support for LaTeX, is far from perfect. Ready yourself for an odd bug 
oneic in a while, and using a good font is still a problem (at least for 
myself).

Having said that, it is feasible - and even recomended (since your document is
complicated and full of features, we might earn a couple of bug fixes :) )

Good luck.

On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 06:57:48PM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
 On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:00:05PM +0200, kfir lavi wrote:
 
  is the conversion to pdf is easy, with no faults?
 
 Yes. Let me know if you want to see my LaTeX makefile, which is based
 on Oleg's. Also, make sure to follow the advice at
 http://www.advogato.org/person/ladypine/diary.html?start=37 for
 producing a valid pdf. 

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mounting CDROMs - virtual and real

2003-02-25 Thread shlomo solomon
Two unrelated CDROM issues - the first should interest KDE users and the 
second should interest MDK9.0 users.

1 - I came across a really nice program to make it easy to mount an ISO image 
as a virtual CDROM in KDE. After installing the program, right clicking on an 
ISO shows a new menu item - **Mount ISO image as virtual CDROM**. Sure, the 
same thing can be done from the command line, but this is really convenient.

http://users.skynet.be/top/eziso/



2 - Until a few days ago, I was having **random** problems with supermount on 
MDK9.0. For no apparent reason, CDs would suddenly **disappear**, refuse to 
mount or umount and othe wierd stuff. In fact, I was going to disable 
supermount, but then I noticed that the Mandrake mirror has a new kernel for 
MDK9.0 (2.4.19-24mdk) and that it claimed to solve stability problems with 
supermount. Since installing it a few days ago, supermount has worked 
perfectly for my CD, CDRW and floppy.


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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:16:45PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:

  It is for English documents, but not for Hebrew documents if you wish them
  to be viewed correctly with Acrobat Reader. I tried running pdfelatex on
  documents with some Hebrew in it, and the generated PDF still looks
  horrible in Acrobat Reader. This is the case with Mandrake 9.0.

 I have a hebrew document sitting on the table next to me, made with
 LaTeX, viewed by gv and acroread and printed through acroread, and it
 looks absolutely fine, even the hebrew parts. If it looks bad for you,
 try to investigate any font problems.


I use the default Hebrew font. Should I change it?

  English is fine with pdflatex.

 I've never used pdflatex, but dvips - ps2pdf works.

Actually it does not (for the default English font). It creates PDFs that
look very blurry and awful in acroread 4 or 5. (let me know if you need a
screenshot to see what I mean).

Generally my philosophy is to write the document and customize it later
and _never_ do any manual final touches. With LaTeX and DocBook the output
is usually so nice that I don't even bother messing with the fonts, and
just leave it as is.

I know someone who manually tweaks the resultant PostScript files after
they are finished. Now that's what I call hubris, because you have to do
that each time you release a final version. That goes against the UNIX
philosophy of automating the process.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:00:05PM +0200, kfir lavi wrote:

  is the conversion to pdf is easy, with no faults?

 Yes. Let me know if you want to see my LaTeX makefile, which is based
 on Oleg's. Also, make sure to follow the advice at
 http://www.advogato.org/person/ladypine/diary.html?start=37 for
 producing a valid pdf.

Or try my my over-grown makefile at
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir/latex_make , which is aimed at
automating the work with latex as much as possible .

Has some nice features, such as: pack all the sources together, mail/scp
the sources/products to a destination of your choosing, etc. For the most
part it is aimed at keeping all the produced copies (ps, PDF, html, etc.)
in sync.

BTW: is there any script that is equivalent of MikTeX's texify? It would
save much of the dirtier parts of that makefile.

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Jason Friedman
 BTW: is there any script that is equivalent of MikTeX's texify? It would
 save much of the dirtier parts of that makefile.

I use latexmk, a perl script, which does the same thing (runs perl /
bibtex the appropriate number of times)

It can be downloaded from CTAN:

ftp://ftp.ctan.org/tex-archive/support/latexmk/

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 08:12:02PM +0200, Jason Friedman wrote:
  BTW: is there any script that is equivalent of MikTeX's texify? It would
  save much of the dirtier parts of that makefile.
 
 I use latexmk, a perl script, which does the same thing (runs perl /
 bibtex the appropriate number of times)

There are other similar scripts.
For example, rubber, which is included in Debian unstable.
I don't know which one is the best.

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Beni Cherniavsky
On 2003-02-25, Dan Kenigsberg wrote:

 I'm afraid I'll have to chill out the optimism a bit. The original post asked
 about writing a complicated /hebrew/ document. The situation of ivritex, the
 hebrew support for LaTeX, is far from perfect. Ready yourself for an odd bug
 oneic in a while, and using a good font is still a problem (at least for
 myself).

 Having said that, it is feasible - and even recomended (since your document is
 complicated and full of features, we might earn a couple of bug fixes :) )

I'd like to use UTF-8 but I can't manage to get omega/lambda to show
Hebrew (I just got Greek to work :).  Is this a path I should continue
trying or should I just fall back to normal tex and use iconv?

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it weren't for his programs.

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Re: Intel compiler vs. gcc

2003-02-25 Thread linux_il
On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 16:59, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
 Vadim Vygonets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  From what I understood, people are complaining that icc takes
  more time to compile the same files than gcc.
 
 It makes sense to me that a compiler that optimizes better with take
 more time.

But if it optimizes better then surely its own code run faster (because
I assume it was compiled by itself) and so the optimization should take
the same amount of time? :-)

Just kidding

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about Re: Software design document:
 On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 06:30:52PM +0200, kfir lavi wrote:
 
  what is the best for complicated mathematical notations ?
 
 Tex, LaTeX, LyX, no contest.

There's also Texmacs, what supposedly is cross between TeX and Emacs,
but in reality bears no relation to either (it's a WYSIWYG word processor,
that does not actually use TeX - it only tries to look as good). Texmacs
is a GNU project, or so they claim - check out http://www.texmacs.org/.

Note that I never used texmacs, so I don't know how well it works in
real life usage.

My personal preference is using LaTeX straight, but I admit that it's not
an appealing concept for someone who's already a Microsoft-Office junkie.

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about Re: Software design document:
  is the conversion to pdf is easy, with no faults?
 
 Yes. Let me know if you want to see my LaTeX makefile, which is based
 on Oleg's. Also, make sure to follow the advice at
 http://www.advogato.org/person/ladypine/diary.html?start=37 for
 producing a valid pdf. 

Or, you might say Hey, Adobe, you got it right the first time around!
and just use Postscript.

Say no to helping Windows-users stay with Windows! [1]

[1] http://www.fefe.de/nowindows/

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Dekel Tsur
On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 10:28:44PM +0200, Beni Cherniavsky wrote:
  Having said that, it is feasible - and even recomended (since your document is
  complicated and full of features, we might earn a couple of bug fixes :) )
 
 I'd like to use UTF-8 but I can't manage to get omega/lambda to show
 Hebrew (I just got Greek to work :).  Is this a path I should continue
 trying or should I just fall back to normal tex and use iconv?

It is possible to use the ucs.sty package with normal latex.
You need to tweak the uni-5.def file: assuming you use recent ivritex macros,
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GDM .. still locks

2003-02-25 Thread Eli Segal
yesterday again ! when i went out of fvwm to gdm
it lock on gdm and nothing worked even SysRq didn't 
(and i have and tested it)
this is very strange as in happens only when I'm on gdm 
Anyhow i moved to xdm and i'll see if it happen again.

OT : I found some really nice XDM screenshots with their files 
http://xdm.house.cx/gallery/xdm


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top level project directory

2003-02-25 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
Let's say that I have a complex project, using many Makefiles. In some
of them, I'd like to refer to other directories of the project. So
far, I've been using various combinations on ../, ../../, etc, but
that's awfully brittle when you start moving directories around (not
to mention potentially dangerous). Is there a way, which does NOT
involve setting an environment variable, to refer to the top level
project directory? Specifically, I have a Rules.make in that
directory, which is included from the other Makefiles. If I could make
the Rules.make contain the top level directory in a variable, it would
solve most of my problems. 

Now that I think of it, another way would be to change the build
structure from recursive builds to a centralized build - all
directories are built from the top level directory. Let's say that I
do want to use recrusive build, though. What trick am I missing? 

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 08:33:08AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:

 If you send it to your boss, while telling him that, you might get
 fired. The first document I prepared with LaTeX (an English one) I sent to a
 TAU education professor in PostScript format. He told me he cannot read
 PS and asked for the _MS Word Original_. I ended up ps2pdf'ing it, which
 satisfied him.

Did you send him a free clue with it? several technion professors
*refuse* to accept Word documents, due to the inherent virus risk. 

 Seriously, while PDF is not a panacea for many Windows kiddies who only
 know of Word, it is still much more accesible than PostScript. Sending a
 document to a Windows guy in PS format is like sending a document to a
 UNIX guy in Word format. Not a nice thing to do.

I disagree. Unless PDF comes by default on windows nowday, installing
a postscript viewer should be no more and no less complicated than
installing a PDF viewer. 
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Menu fonts on LyX

2003-02-25 Thread Eli Segal
How can I change my menu to display english instead of hebrew
(it actually gibrish right now)

thanx


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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 25, 2003, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote about Re: Software design document:
   is the conversion to pdf is easy, with no faults?
 
  Yes. Let me know if you want to see my LaTeX makefile, which is based
  on Oleg's. Also, make sure to follow the advice at
  http://www.advogato.org/person/ladypine/diary.html?start=37 for
  producing a valid pdf.

 Or, you might say Hey, Adobe, you got it right the first time around!
 and just use Postscript.

 Say no to helping Windows-users stay with Windows! [1]


I hope this is a joke!

If you send it to your boss, while telling him that, you might get
fired. The first document I prepared with LaTeX (an English one) I sent to a
TAU education professor in PostScript format. He told me he cannot read
PS and asked for the _MS Word Original_. I ended up ps2pdf'ing it, which
satisfied him.

Seriously, while PDF is not a panacea for many Windows kiddies who only
know of Word, it is still much more accesible than PostScript. Sending a
document to a Windows guy in PS format is like sending a document to a
UNIX guy in Word format. Not a nice thing to do.

That put aside - I believe Adobe created PDF from a good reason, despite
the fact that PostScript was at its time a cutting-edge achievement. You
yourself said that accessing the i'th page is O(i) in PostScript while
O(1) in PDF. And PDF has hyperlinks and other cute bells and whistles,
which PostScript does not support.

 [1] http://www.fefe.de/nowindows/


Interesting link, which I completely don't agree with. If I can get the
software I write to run on Windows and other non-UNIX platforms without
too much overhead, I will try to do so. While the latest version
of Quad-Pres can only run on UNIX (partly because I'm using WML), I
believe all my other software is compatible with Windows.

To quote someone I read, the issue is not Windows vs. Linux. The issue is
free software vs. non-free one. Foribly preventing people from running
free software on Windows just to make a point, will actually prevent them
from experiencing with free software, and later on deciding that Linux may
be worth a try.

Luckily, a lot of open-source developers out there don't ostracize Windows
in such a way.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: Software design document

2003-02-25 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Dekel Tsur wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 07:35:02PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
   I have a hebrew document sitting on the table next to me, made with
   LaTeX, viewed by gv and acroread and printed through acroread, and it
   looks absolutely fine, even the hebrew parts. If it looks bad for you,
   try to investigate any font problems.
  
 
  I use the default Hebrew font. Should I change it?

 The default Hebrew font come only in metafont format, which means it will be
 converted to bitmap when embedded in the PDF.
 IF you want a PDF file that looks good with Acrobat reader, you need to use
 either Postscript type 1 fonts (e.g. Culmus), Postscript type42 fonts,
 or TTF fonts (the latter can be used only with pdflatex, but it is possible
 to convert a TTF font to Postscript type 1 or 42).


I thought type42 fonts _were_ TTF fonts. Oh well. I'll try in any case,
but last time I tried to install TTF fonts by converting them to Type 1
first, it was a very long procedure (which involved some old versions of
various programs) and I did not get to Hebrew yet. Can you give me a howto
for it?

   I've never used pdflatex, but dvips - ps2pdf works.
 
  Actually it does not (for the default English font). It creates PDFs that
  look very blurry and awful in acroread 4 or 5. (let me know if you need a
  screenshot to see what I mean).

 It does work by default if you use tetex2.0.
 With earlier versions, you need to write dvips -Ppdf -G0,
 or add the following lines to ~/.dvipsrc


Worked like a charm, thanks. Acroread sees it much better now. I'm using
tetex 1.0.7.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

 p+ bsr.map
 p+ bsr-interpolated.map
 p+ hoekwater.map


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