RE: a server for fun and profit

2005-07-07 Thread El-al, Netta
and i'm wondering why u even posted something to the list if u then refuse to 
answer relevant questions...

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 Nadav Har'El wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 06, 2005, Gadi Evron wrote about Re: a server 
 for fun and profit:
  
 ..
 
 * Why FreeBSD? Which version of FreeBSD?
 
 ..
 
 By publishing this info, you'll cut yourself many of those 
 emails who
 will ask you the same questions over and over again..
 
 I'll take my chances, thanks though.
  
  
  Perhaps you didn't notice, but this is a *Linux* mailing 
 list, so don't
  be surprise if people wonder why you chose FreeBSD... :-)
 
 No, but I am starting to wonder why you keep insisting on answering 
 everything, and always on-list.
 
   Gadi.
 
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Re: a server for fun and profit

2005-07-07 Thread Gadi Evron

El-al, Netta wrote:

and i'm wondering why u even posted something to the list if u then refuse to 
answer relevant questions...


Hi.

Because it is a bit off-topic, and I specifically requested replies to 
be made off-list.


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RE: a server for fun and profit

2005-07-07 Thread Imri Zvik
And I don't understand your urge to comment on everything.

If you are not interested just delete the email, and carry on.

Some people on this list seem to have too much free time.

Have a great day,


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Subject: RE: a server for fun and profit

and i'm wondering why u even posted something to the list if u then
refuse to answer relevant questions...

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gadi Evron
 Sent: Wed, July 06, 2005 6:08 PM
 To: Nadav Har'El
 Cc: linux-il@linux.org.il
 Subject: Re: a server for fun and profit
 
 
 Nadav Har'El wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 06, 2005, Gadi Evron wrote about Re: a server 
 for fun and profit:
  
 ..
 
 * Why FreeBSD? Which version of FreeBSD?
 
 ..
 
 By publishing this info, you'll cut yourself many of those 
 emails who
 will ask you the same questions over and over again..
 
 I'll take my chances, thanks though.
  
  
  Perhaps you didn't notice, but this is a *Linux* mailing 
 list, so don't
  be surprise if people wonder why you chose FreeBSD... :-)
 
 No, but I am starting to wonder why you keep insisting on answering 
 everything, and always on-list.
 
   Gadi.
 
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RE: a server for fun and profit

2005-07-07 Thread guy keren

On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Imri Zvik wrote:

 To: El-al, Netta [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 And I don't understand your urge to comment on everything.

come on, you know why - we fear there's a missionary amongst us, linux
zealots, that's trying to convert us to his bsdish religion ;)

we're just trying to protect our kids from being brain-washed by the
others :P~~

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[OT] Job Offer

2005-07-07 Thread yuval hager
Title: System Administrator
Company: DiskSites

Job Description:
 * Assume total responsibility for IT management in the company.
 * Define and implement security infrastructure.
 * Redefine and implement mail infrastructure.
 * Manage all (RD related, non RD related) servers (Windows and Linux).
 * Handle IT requirements of QA lab.
 * Handle backups.
 * Manage suppliers.
 * Consult RD and product management with various system-related matters.
 * Potentially provide customer support.
 * Potentially manage software configuration and source control systems.

Requirements:

 * Vast experience in Unix/Linux system administration.
 * Fluent in scripting languages, and various other sysadmin aids
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 * Experience in Windows administration - Domains management, user
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 * Good understanding of OS's infrastructure, communication protocols,
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 * Good understanding of various hardware components, their interactions
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 * Experience with programming. Source control - advantage.
 * Fluent in English and Hebrew.
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Re: threads in 2.6

2005-07-07 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
Replying to myself ...

On Wed, Jul 06, 2005 at 01:16:46PM +0300, didi wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 If a process creates threads, then the main thread dies, I can't
 see the other threads anymore with ps. I also do not see them with
 'ls -l /proc'. If I do know the pid (tid actually), and do
 ls -l /proc/tid, I do see it.
 
 Is this intended, or a bug? In 2.4 I always see all of the threads.
 Tried on 2.6.12.2.

I spent some more time on this and have some updates:

It's a known bug. E.g.
http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0410.0/1589.html

I tried to debug it. I have quite little experience with kernel
programming, so after making a small change that did not work, I decided
to try user-mode-linux for this. Under UML, a small test program I wrote
crashes with SIGSEGV some time after calling clone. I am pretty sure it
dies on the first context switch between the two threads, or something
like that - not on a syscall (and I do not think that on a memory access
of mine - to test I wrote trivial busy loops). The test program does
work on real 2.6, with the behaviour described above. I thought this
might be a bug in libpthreads, so tried to write it with direct calling
of clone, and did not manage to make it work, I don't know why.

Various versions of the test program can be found in
http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~didi/threads.

The solution I hope to find/write will cause a zombie process keep a
working /proc/tgid/task subdir with subdirs of its threads, living
ones still accessible as normal. I am pretty sure (without checking)
that ps will magically start showing them without changes.

I guess the bug can be solved somewhere around fs/proc/base.c - maybe
in proc_task_lookup. I will try to make some changes, but this obviously
takes much more time than with uml. If I see that it is too slow I might
try XEN. I gave it a quick look and see there are problems with tls libs
under xen, so it might not help me debug this.

I hope I do not bother most people too much - I know it's offtopic, I
know there are people here that might be interested in solving this,
or at least that it's solved.
-- 
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Re: threads in 2.6

2005-07-07 Thread Omer Zak
On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 17:32 +0300, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
[... war story about debugging kernel's innards was snipped ...]
 
 I hope I do not bother most people too much - I know it's offtopic, I
 know there are people here that might be interested in solving this,
 or at least that it's solved.

I believe that this subject is on-topic, and it was interesting for
someone, who does not have the time or patience to follow LKML, to have
a glimpse into debugging kernel level stuff.
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Re: job offer:

2005-07-07 Thread Erez Doron

O.K wrote:



And what is a DAE ?
Cause the job sounds like a sysadmin...


DAE stands for 'Design Automation Engineer'
as we do not really need a full time DAE nor a full time Sysadmin
and as the jobs have a lot in common
we decided to try to get a person who will do both.

the idea in DAE is setting development enviroments
automatic testing systems,
using scripts, makefiles, etc.

cheers,
erez.


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hi

we are looking for a full time DAE
Requierments:
Linux and windows system adminstration,
Creating/Supporting develpment enviroment
iptables, scripting, cygwin, cvs, makefiles etc ...

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Re: third generation modem

2005-07-07 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi Gadi,

Mind giving some details about this modem? model name, number, if you
know which chipset etc.. the more, the better.

Thanks,
Hetz

On 7/6/05, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi.
 
 Does anyone have any experience with installing an Orange third
 generation modem on linux?
 
 Thanks,
 
Gadi.
 
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Re: my new Palm Zire 72

2005-07-07 Thread Shlomo Solomon
I forgot to mention, in my previous message, that I did check the Palm on my 
kids' Win98 computer and was able to hotsync - so this is not a problem with 
the Palm. 

Also, since my LINUX box has no problem communicating with several other USB 
devices (scanner, printer, camera, mouse, disk-on-key), I don't see this as 
being a hardware problem.

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Re: my new Palm Zire 72 - resend

2005-07-07 Thread Shlomo Solomon
strange - I sent 2 messages to the list, but only the 2nd one got througt - so 
here's the 1st one again.


On Tuesday 05 July 2005 22:59, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
 On Tuesday 05 July 2005 19:52, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
  OK. Let's start from the very beginning.
  First, start from a clean known state. Either after a reboot, or try to

 For completely unrelated reasons, re-booting is not an option today. I hope
 I'll be able to do the tests you recommended in a day or two and I'll let
 you know what happens - thanks.


On thinking it over again, and after a few more of my own experiments, I can't 
see how my problem will be solved by re-booting. After all, that's not really 
the LINUX way, is it :-)

I don't know what has changed, but with all the things I've tried, I'm now 
getting a /dev/pilot device when I plug in the Palm. But niether it or 
the /dev/ttyUSB* devices seem to be communicating with the Palm. Here's a bit 
of output.

Notice that at first there's no /dev/pilot and I have USB 0, 1, 4 and 5. Don't 
ask where 2 and 3 disappered to - I have no answer. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/pilot
ls: /dev/pilot: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyU*
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB0
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB1
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB4
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB5



Now I plug in the Palm and look what **magically** happens. I get 
the /dev/pilot and USB 2 and 3 devices.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/pilot
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 Jul  7 23:06 /dev/pilot - /dev/ttyUSB3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyU*
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB0
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB1
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 2 Jul  7 23:06 /dev/ttyUSB2
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 3 Jul  7 23:06 /dev/ttyUSB3
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB4
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB5



But when I try pilot-xfer on the 2 new devices (/dev/pilot is really just a 
link to /dev/ttyUSB3), nothing happens until I do Ctrl-Z.

BTW, it doesn't look like a permission problem because solomon is the owner 
and has read and write permission on the relevant devices.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ pilot-xfer -p/dev/pilot -l


   Listening to port: /dev/pilot

   Please press the HotSync button now...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ pilot-xfer -p/dev/ttyUSB4 -l


   Listening to port: /dev/ttyUSB4

   Please press the HotSync button now...

Then I look at the devices again:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyU*
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB0
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB1
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 2 Jul  7 23:09 /dev/ttyUSB2
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 3 Jul  7 23:09 /dev/ttyUSB3
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB4
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB5


And again after Hotsync times out - 2 and 3 are gone again.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyU*
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB0
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB1
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB4
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB5


Here's what syslog looks like (I've edited out irrelevant stuff - mostly TCP 
Rejects from the Firewall):

Jul  7 23:08:51 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 31
Jul  7 23:08:51 shlomo1 kernel: visor ttyUSB6: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB6
Jul  7 23:08:51 shlomo1 kernel: visor ttyUSB7: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB7
Jul  7 23:08:51 shlomo1 kernel: visor 2-2:1.0: device disconnected
Jul  7 23:09:06 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using 
address 32
Jul  7 23:09:06 shlomo1 kernel: visor 2-2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter detected
Jul  7 23:09:06 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter 
now attached to ttyUSB2
Jul  7 23:09:06 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter 
now attached to ttyUSB3

snip

Jul  7 23:11:17 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 32
Jul  7 23:11:17 shlomo1 kernel: visor ttyUSB2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB2
Jul  7 23:11:17 shlomo1 kernel: visor ttyUSB3: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB3
Jul  7 23:11:17 shlomo1 kernel: visor 2-2:1.0: device disconnected


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Re: my new Palm Zire 72

2005-07-07 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Tuesday 05 July 2005 22:59, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
 On Tuesday 05 July 2005 19:52, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
  OK. Let's start from the very beginning.
  First, start from a clean known state. Either after a reboot, or try to

 For completely unrelated reasons, re-booting is not an option today. I hope
 I'll be able to do the tests you recommended in a day or two and I'll let
 you know what happens - thanks.


On thinking it over again, and after a few more of my own experiments, I can't 
see how my problem will be solved by re-booting. After all, that's not really 
the LINUX way, is it :-)

I don't know what has changed, but with all the things I've tried, I'm now 
getting a /dev/pilot device when I plug in the Palm. But niether it or 
the /dev/ttyUSB* devices seem to be communicating with the Palm. Here's a bit 
of output.

Notice that at first there's no /dev/pilot and I have USB 0, 1, 4 and 5. Don't 
ask where 2 and 3 disappered to - I have no answer. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/pilot
ls: /dev/pilot: No such file or directory
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyU*
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB0
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB1
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB4
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB5



Now I plug in the Palm and look what **magically** happens. I get 
the /dev/pilot and USB 2 and 3 devices.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/pilot
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 12 Jul  7 23:06 /dev/pilot - /dev/ttyUSB3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyU*
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB0
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB1
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 2 Jul  7 23:06 /dev/ttyUSB2
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 3 Jul  7 23:06 /dev/ttyUSB3
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB4
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB5



But when I try pilot-xfer on the 2 new devices (/dev/pilot is really just a 
link to /dev/ttyUSB3), nothing happens until I do Ctrl-Z.

BTW, it doesn't look like a permission problem because solomon is the owner 
and has read and write permission on the relevant devices.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ pilot-xfer -p/dev/pilot -l


   Listening to port: /dev/pilot

   Please press the HotSync button now...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ pilot-xfer -p/dev/ttyUSB4 -l


   Listening to port: /dev/ttyUSB4

   Please press the HotSync button now...

Then I look at the devices again:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyU*
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB0
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB1
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 2 Jul  7 23:09 /dev/ttyUSB2
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 3 Jul  7 23:09 /dev/ttyUSB3
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB4
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB5


And again after Hotsync times out - 2 and 3 are gone again.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ ls -la /dev/ttyU*
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 0 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB0
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 1 Jul  6 00:16 /dev/ttyUSB1
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 4 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB4
crw-rw  1 solomon uucp 188, 5 Jul  6 05:31 /dev/ttyUSB5


Here's what syslog looks like (I've edited out irrelevant stuff - mostly TCP 
Rejects from the Firewall):

Jul  7 23:08:51 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 31
Jul  7 23:08:51 shlomo1 kernel: visor ttyUSB6: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB6
Jul  7 23:08:51 shlomo1 kernel: visor ttyUSB7: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB7
Jul  7 23:08:51 shlomo1 kernel: visor 2-2:1.0: device disconnected
Jul  7 23:09:06 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using 
address 32
Jul  7 23:09:06 shlomo1 kernel: visor 2-2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter detected
Jul  7 23:09:06 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter 
now attached to ttyUSB2
Jul  7 23:09:06 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter 
now attached to ttyUSB3

snip

Jul  7 23:11:17 shlomo1 kernel: usb 2-2: USB disconnect, address 32
Jul  7 23:11:17 shlomo1 kernel: visor ttyUSB2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB2
Jul  7 23:11:17 shlomo1 kernel: visor ttyUSB3: Handspring Visor / Palm OS 
converter now disconnected from ttyUSB3
Jul  7 23:11:17 shlomo1 kernel: visor 2-2:1.0: device disconnected


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Re: my new Palm Zire 72 - resend

2005-07-07 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 12:02:12AM +0300, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
 strange - I sent 2 messages to the list, but only the 2nd one got througt - 
 so 
 here's the 1st one again.
 
 
 On Tuesday 05 July 2005 22:59, Shlomo Solomon wrote:
  On Tuesday 05 July 2005 19:52, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
   OK. Let's start from the very beginning.
   First, start from a clean known state. Either after a reboot, or try to
 
  For completely unrelated reasons, re-booting is not an option today. I hope
  I'll be able to do the tests you recommended in a day or two and I'll let
  you know what happens - thanks.
 
 
 On thinking it over again, and after a few more of my own experiments, I 
 can't 
 see how my problem will be solved by re-booting. After all, that's not really 
 the LINUX way, is it :-)

Can you at least rmmod visor and usb_serial (and modprobe them if
needed), then repeat the tests?
-- 
Didi


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Re: my new Palm Zire 72 - resend

2005-07-07 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Friday 08 July 2005 00:38, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
 Can you at least rmmod visor and usb_serial (and modprobe them if
 needed), then repeat the tests?

Sorry, I forgot to write that I tried that and was not able to remove the 
modules. I didn't try --force because the man page says this is dangerous.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]$ su
Password:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# rmmod visor
ERROR: Module visor is in use
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# rmmod usbserial
ERROR: Module usbserial is in use by visor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] solomon]# lsmod |grep visor
visor  16144  4
usbserial  25384  10 visor
usbcore   103172  10 
usb-storage,visor,usbserial,quickcam,usbmouse,usbhid,usblp,ohci-hcd

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