Re: Freedom of speech online
I personally think what you're doing here is very bad, people who will read this discussion on google in the next zillion years would actually think Israel is a dark and scary place to live in. if i was you i would show some personal responsibility and 1st check my facts with security/network experts OFFLINE! and not throw it out to the open Internet. /Nitzan (AKA NuN) On 9/8/06, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/8/06, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Uri mentioned sending from a given email address to two addresses on the same mail server, with one email arriving and the other getting lost. That's right. Barring the question of tin-foil hats, etc, it _is_ possible and, if you ask my not very humble or contrite opinion, very Israeli-government-like behaviour. Uri - If you express your opinions (political, etc) online or publicly, expect repercussions. Mind you - no one impugned your freedom of speech. What you are experiencing is the _consequences_ of that same freedom. The Israeli Secret Service Swine (including all the official and para official organizations) are sufficiently, shall we say, divorced from human and humane principles or of submission to the laws of proper process and procedure to be quite able and willing to ... well, the code word NuN is appropriate. It is the very soul of the night, this Israeli propensity to shoot/abduct/blow/poison first, then foggily think about due process later. It is my hope and - should I have both the personal courage and the free time - desire to denounce those that would be well served by such a denouncement to dance to the tune of the London Charter before the ICC. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OFFTOPIC] How to reply to Israeli paranoids (was: Re: Freedom of speech online)
If I ever bothered to be serious in replying to such accusations, I'd be more worried about Uri Even-Chen's own reputation than Israeli reputation. Every country has its own dark periods (Soviet Union's Stalin, USA's McCarthy and Bush Jr. periods, etc. etc. even if I refrain from mentioning the word which triggers Godwin's Law). This does not tarnish their reputation at their brighter periods. On the other hand, the guy in question would have to do some explaining to future employers if they read this discussion in Google and find that he harbored some paranoid tendencies during certain turbulent periods of Israeli history. --- Omer On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 09:07 +0300, Nitzan wrote: I personally think what you're doing here is very bad, people who will read this discussion on google in the next zillion years would actually think Israel is a dark and scary place to live in. if i was you i would show some personal responsibility and 1st check my facts with security/network experts OFFLINE! and not throw it out to the open Internet. /Nitzan (AKA NuN) On 9/8/06, Uri Even-Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/8/06, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Uri mentioned sending from a given email address to two addresses on the same mail server, with one email arriving and the other getting lost. That's right. Barring the question of tin-foil hats, etc, it _is_ possible and, if you ask my not very humble or contrite opinion, very Israeli-government-like behaviour. Uri - If you express your opinions (political, etc) online or publicly, expect repercussions. Mind you - no one impugned your freedom of speech. What you are experiencing is the _consequences_ of that same freedom. The Israeli Secret Service Swine (including all the official and para official organizations) are sufficiently, shall we say, divorced from human and humane principles or of submission to the laws of proper process and procedure to be quite able and willing to ... well, the code word NuN is appropriate. It is the very soul of the night, this Israeli propensity to shoot/abduct/blow/poison first, then foggily think about due process later. It is my hope and - should I have both the personal courage and the free time - desire to denounce those that would be well served by such a denouncement to dance to the tune of the London Charter before the ICC. -- One does not make peace with enemies. One makes peace with former enemies. My own blog is at http://tddpirate.livejournal.com/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freedom of speech online
On 9/9/06, Nitzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally think what you're doing here is very bad, people who will read this discussion on google in the next zillion years would actually think Israel is a dark and scary place to live in. Oh, sorry! I forgot! Israel is a free democracy, human rights are never abused here, the government of Israel never does anything illegal, the Israeli armed forces are not involved in war crimes, there is no death penalty without a court order, Israeli airplanes don't bomb civil neighborhoods from the air, the laws of Israel are not racist, there are no administrative arrests of innocent people (they are all gulity), the Israeli government never denies what they did, the Israeli government (and its agents) never do anything illegal in territories of other countries. Should I continue? Mind you, Israel IS a dark and scary place to live in. Depends who you are. What's your race and religion. etc. But I don't want to get too much into politics here. Uri. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PHP unexpectedly speaking Hebrew on me
I'm trying to figure out why my wordpress plugin won't work on PHP4, and I'm getting this strange error: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/sources/wordpress$ ./test.php X-Powered-By: PHP/4.4.2-1.1 Content-type: text/html br / bParse error/b: syntax error, unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM in b/home/sun/sources/wordpress/test.php/b on line b7/bbr / For reference, here is the output from locale: LANG=en_US LANGUAGE=en_IL:en_US:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE=he_IL LC_NUMERIC=en_US LC_TIME=en_US LC_COLLATE=en_US LC_MONETARY=en_US LC_MESSAGES=en_US LC_PAPER=en_US LC_NAME=en_US LC_ADDRESS=en_US LC_TELEPHONE=en_US LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US LC_ALL= For those who missed it, the error reported is unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM, or, transliterally, unexpected פעמיים נקודותיים. wtf? Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freedom of speech online
On 9/8/06, marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Uri mentioned sending from a given email address to two addresses on the same mail server, with one email arriving and the other getting lost. Barring the question of tin-foil hats, etc, it _is_ possible and, if you ask my not very humble or contrite opinion, very Israeli-government-like behaviour. Uri - If you express your opinions (political, etc) online or publicly, expect repercussions. Mind you - no one impugned your freedom of speech. What you are experiencing is the _consequences_ of that same freedom. The Israeli Secret Service Swine (including all the official and para official organizations) are sufficiently, shall we say, divorced from human and humane principles or of submission to the laws of proper process and procedure to be quite able and willing to ... well, the code word NuN is appropriate. It is the very soul of the night, this Israeli propensity to shoot/abduct/blow/poison first, then foggily think about due process later. Sorry, what's NuN? It is my hope and - should I have both the personal courage and the free time - desire to denounce those that would be well served by such a denouncement to dance to the tune of the London Charter before the ICC. OK, I checked and here is some more information: at the time I suspect they were blocking my E-mail (which I think they stopped now), I received many messages in delay of about 10 minutes, if they were sent to one of the addresses being tapped. There was no delay to addresses not being tapped, or in some cases even to the addresses being tapped, depends who's the sender. It's possible they tapped only some of the traffic, for example from mail servers in Israel. It's not a concrete proof, but it adds to the other evidence I have. Uri. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freedom of speech online
But I don't want to get too much into politics here. Please take your political views elsewhere. This is a Linux oriented technical mailing list, not a forum on tapuz. Me, for one, is is sick and tired of your bullshit. Go away. Now. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP unexpectedly speaking Hebrew on me
How about showing us line 7 on test.php...? (never seen that error, quite cool) בשבת, 9 בספטמבר 2006, 10:03, נכתב על ידי Shachar Shemesh: I'm trying to figure out why my wordpress plugin won't work on PHP4, and I'm getting this strange error: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/sources/wordpress$ ./test.php X-Powered-By: PHP/4.4.2-1.1 Content-type: text/html br / bParse error/b: syntax error, unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM in b/home/sun/sources/wordpress/test.php/b on line b7/bbr / For reference, here is the output from locale: LANG=en_US LANGUAGE=en_IL:en_US:en_GB:en LC_CTYPE=he_IL LC_NUMERIC=en_US LC_TIME=en_US LC_COLLATE=en_US LC_MONETARY=en_US LC_MESSAGES=en_US LC_PAPER=en_US LC_NAME=en_US LC_ADDRESS=en_US LC_TELEPHONE=en_US LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US LC_IDENTIFICATION=en_US LC_ALL= For those who missed it, the error reported is unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM, or, transliterally, unexpected פעמיים נקודותיים. wtf? Shachar -- diego, kde-il translation team Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP unexpectedly speaking Hebrew on me - explanation found
Shachar Shemesh wrote: I'm trying to figure out why my wordpress plugin won't work on PHP4, and I'm getting this strange error: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/sources/wordpress$ ./test.php X-Powered-By: PHP/4.4.2-1.1 Content-type: text/html br / bParse error/b: syntax error, unexpected T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM in b/home/sun/sources/wordpress/test.php/b on line b7/bbr / Ok, I found the explanation, and it has nothing to do with locale. The error, in plain English, is this. The first word (unexpected) translates to: While running the syntactic parser I found a token identified by the lexical analyzer in an unexpected location The second word is the name of the token: T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM. It seems that an Israeli PHP programmer (probably working for Zend) didn't know how to say double colon in English, so he coded the token's name in transliterated Hebrew (Zend/zend_language_scanner.l, line 911 on my Debian PHP4 sources). He probably figured that the end user will never see this anyway, and the other programmers, well, they are either Zend employees too, or they can follow the symbol definition and find out what it means. Now I'm wondering whether to submit a patch? In any case, google knows of many people preplexed by this question, most of them actually receiving an answer. I've submitted a note to the relevant page on the PHP manual. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freedom of speech online
On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 08:54 +0200, Uri Even-Chen wrote: On 9/9/06, Nitzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally think what you're doing here is very bad, people who will read this discussion on google in the next zillion years would actually think Israel is a dark and scary place to live in. Oh, sorry! I forgot! Israel is a free democracy, human rights are never abused here, the government of Israel never does anything illegal, the Israeli armed forces are not involved in war crimes, there is no death penalty without a court order, Israeli airplanes don't bomb civil neighborhoods from the air, the laws of Israel are not racist, there are no administrative arrests of innocent people (they are all gulity), the Israeli government never denies what they did, the Israeli government (and its agents) never do anything illegal in territories of other countries. Should I continue? Mind you, Israel IS a dark and scary place to live in. Depends who you are. What's your race and religion. etc. But I don't want to get too much into politics here. Uri. This is a technical Linux mailing list and not a political one. Take your political agenda, tin foil hat included, elsewhere. Now! - Gilboa Oh, I wish I had my chance to turn Israel into my own favorite Drakonia - somehow I doubt that having your email SNTP sessions tapped would have worried you when my brute squad will come marching in... Davara. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unexpected ld behavior - a short war story
I wrote a small application, and I wanted to use MD5 hash in it. I used the MD5 function. According to man 3 md5, the include statement to be used is: #include openssl/md2.h However, MD5() really exists in: #include openssl/md5.h The manpage, of course, does not tell which library implements the function, but I found libmd5.so.0 in my /usr/lib (see below). When trying to link my software, ld aborted with: ld: cannot find -lmd5 even though it was invoked with -L/usr/lib -lmd5 I found a quick way to test ld behavior: I invoke ld with just those arguments. When ld finds a library: $ ld -lssl ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; not setting start address When ld does not find a library: $ ld -L/usr/lib -lmd567 ld: cannot find -lmd567 So on the face, it appeared that due to some reason, ld did not find a library file which exists in the -L path! I investigated further, using objdump: $ objdump --syms /usr/lib/libmd5.so.0 /usr/lib/libmd5.so.0: file format elf32-i386 SYMBOL TABLE: no symbols $ objdump --syms /usr/lib/libssl.so /usr/lib/libssl.so: file format elf32-i386 SYMBOL TABLE: 00b4 ld .hash [... long listing of symbols was snipped ...] d800 g F .text 00b4 ssl2_part_read In other words, /usr/lib/libmd5.so.0 is missing something which standard libraries have. When linking my application with libssl.so, the link was successful. Conclusions: 1. Somewhat misleading error message. 2. Probably missing symbolic link libmd5.so-libmd5.so.0, so the linker did not find this library. --- Omer Appendix: System Contents -- The system's distribution is Debian Sarge $ uname -a Linux c2 2.6.8-1-686 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:34:30 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux $ ld --version | head -1 GNU ld version 2.15 $ ls -al /usr/lib/libmd5* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Nov 10 2004 /usr/lib/libmd5.so.0 - libmd5.so.0.1.0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6228 Sep 30 2003 /usr/lib/libmd5.so.0.1.0 $ ls -al /usr/lib/libssl* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 274134 Oct 20 2005 /usr/lib/libssl.a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Nov 10 2005 /usr/lib/libssl.so - libssl.so.0.9.7 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 189648 Oct 20 2005 /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.6 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 230563 Oct 20 2005 /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 136040 Aug 4 02:39 /usr/lib/libssl3.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 305142 Oct 20 2005 /usr/lib/libssl_pic.a According to /var/lib/dpkg/status, package libssl0.9.7 (version 0.9.7e-3sarge1) is installed. -- You haven't made an impact on the world before you caused a Debian release to be named after Snufkin. My own blog is at http://tddpirate.livejournal.com/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP unexpectedly speaking Hebrew on me - explanation found
Shachar Shemesh wrote: It seems that an Israeli PHP programmer (probably working for Zend) didn't know how to say double colon in English It is an in-joke, probably made by Zeev Suraski or one of the other Israelis working on PHP3 (long before Zend was formed). No need to rush with a patch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paamayim_Nekudotayim = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freedom of speech online
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nitzan wrote: I personally think what you're doing here is very bad, people who will read this discussion on google in the next zillion years would actually think Israel is a dark and scary place to live in. if i was you i would show some personal responsibility and 1st check my facts with security/network experts OFFLINE! and not throw it out to the open Internet. /Nitzan (AKA NuN) Actually, I am not at all concerned with the reputation of Israel as a polity or a state. As for casting aspersions - that is what the internet is for - sharing porn and slandering everything and everyone, no? M -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFAl1Fj9cvu/qbAI8RAiqXAJ48vCsVBnT2LcBY0gYl574ojAXhhgCfcLgn JoAVXbUUEYgujRE9/HVKZ7c= =Ynnv -END PGP SIGNATURE- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PHP unexpectedly speaking Hebrew on me - explanation found
It seems that an Israeli PHP programmer (probably working for Zend) didn't know how to say double colon in English, so he coded the token's name in transliterated Hebrew (Zend/zend_language_scanner.l, Well, almost true, but not entirely. The Israeli programmer are actually Zeev Suraski and Andi Gutmans, who are Israeli and who wrote the engine for PHP 3 and who later indeed created the Zend company. They know very well how to say double colon in English, but this token name was a kind of inside joke and it was left there for PHP 4 and 5 and will be there in PHP 6. This joke, as you imagine, is known to everybody in business and is listed in all online resources like Wikipedia for years. You can consider it a sort of easter egg (btw, there is at least one other easter egg in PHP :) Now I'm wondering whether to submit a patch? In any case, google knows You might do that, but chances of it being accepted are zero :) Google and Wikipedia rule, however. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freedom of speech online
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 05:39:11PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: And the bottom line is this. It's not about you, just like it wasn't about me. As things stood, when MS did explicitly target Wine (in WGA) they actually went public with it. I've heard that Wine actually passed the WGA test with flying colours: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08/08/Linux_OK_WGA/ -- Lionel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Freedom of speech online
Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 05:39:11PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: And the bottom line is this. It's not about you, just like it wasn't about me. As things stood, when MS did explicitly target Wine (in WGA) they actually went public with it. I've heard that Wine actually passed the WGA test with flying colours: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/08/08/Linux_OK_WGA/ They detected Wine using the standard if you must method - checking for HKLM\Software\Wine key. There was some discussions on whether we should just bypass it, and the consensus was a resonating no. But then Wine underwent a configuration change, and the key vanished. This was nothing to do with WGA. It was just a fairly planned change in Wine. Apparently, MS did not alter their WGA tests since, and so Wine, for the time being, passes. I should point out that just about every Wine developer knows of a way to detect whether you are running on Wine that cannot be blocked by Wine, so we are fairly sure we do not intend to start a cat and fish (or was it mouse and fish?) game over this point. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is there a problem with IGLU mirror of Mandriva?
I'm trying to get to http://mirror.iglu.org.il/pub/mandriva/official/updates/2006.0/main_updates In Firefox I get redirected to http://localhost:14987/pub/mandriva/official/updates/2006.0/main_updates/ In Konqueror I get Could not connect to host localhost (port 14987). -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail (KDE 3.4.2) on LINUX Mandriva 2006 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there a problem with IGLU mirror of Mandriva?
more info: This is strange. If I go to http://mirror.iglu.org.il and navigate down the links on the site, I DO get where I wanted to go. What's going on here? On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:41, Shlomo Solomon wrote: I'm trying to get to http://mirror.iglu.org.il/pub/mandriva/official/updates/2006.0/main_updates In Firefox I get redirected to http://localhost:14987/pub/mandriva/official/updates/2006.0/main_updates/ In Konqueror I get Could not connect to host localhost (port 14987). -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail (KDE 3.4.2) on LINUX Mandriva 2006 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there a problem with IGLU mirror of Mandriva?
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:14, Lior Kaplan wrote: On Sun, September 10, 2006 12:41 am, Shlomo Solomon wrote: I'm trying to get to http://mirror.iglu.org.il/pub/mandriva/official/updates/2006.0/main_updat es Just and a slash at the end and you'll get to where you want. http://mirror.iglu.org.il/pub/mandriva/official/updates/2006.0/main_updates/ You were right, but I'd still like to know what happened. The link has worked fine with no slash and I only noticed the problem when URPMI stopped finding updates. Adding the slash to the update sources in the URPMI config files solved the problem. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail (KDE 3.4.2) on LINUX Mandriva 2006 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: is there a problem with IGLU mirror of Mandriva?
Hi! I restarted Apache and the problem went away. Thanks for reporting it. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Sunday 10 September 2006 00:47, Shlomo Solomon wrote: more info: This is strange. If I go to http://mirror.iglu.org.il and navigate down the links on the site, I DO get where I wanted to go. What's going on here? On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 00:41, Shlomo Solomon wrote: I'm trying to get to http://mirror.iglu.org.il/pub/mandriva/official/updates/2006.0/main_updat es In Firefox I get redirected to http://localhost:14987/pub/mandriva/official/updates/2006.0/main_updates/ In Konqueror I get Could not connect to host localhost (port 14987). - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ Chuck Norris wrote a complete Perl 6 implementation in a day but then destroyed all evidence with his bare hands, so no one will know his secrets. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Wpedia nitpick was: PHP speaking Hebrew
Quoting Ilya Konstantinov, from the post of Sat, 09 Sep: It is an in-joke, probably made by Zeev Suraski or one of the other Israelis working on PHP3 (long before Zend was formed). No need to rush with a patch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paamayim_Nekudotayim ARRGH!! this is why I have a speck of disrespect for Wikipedia. you can't call yourself an encyclopedia and actually compare sizes with the Britanica in terms of number of articles, when more than half of your articles (or maybe over 90%?) are about in-jokes, TV series, TV series' characters and episodes (see the simpsons and lost), movies, programs few have heard of, etc. that's what Rob Makda'a Everything2 is for, isn't it? -- The usual suspect Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Wpedia nitpick was: PHP speaking Hebrew
ARRGH!! this is why I have a speck of disrespect for Wikipedia. you can't call yourself an encyclopedia and actually compare sizes with the Britanica in terms of number of articles, when more than half of your articles (or maybe over 90%?) are about in-jokes, TV series, TV series' characters and episodes (see the simpsons and lost), movies, programs Well, apparently there are different things for different purposes. If you want to know the biography of Gaius Cornelius Tacitus, then maybe Britannica would be better for you (though the wiki can do it too) but if you want PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM or Snoopy's character traits, nothing compares to the wikipedia :) Why not? that's what Rob Makda'a Everything2 is for, isn't it? That's like saying Linux is irrelevant since there's already FreeBSD ;) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
