Re: there is now one IT company too many
On Tue, Nov 21, 2006, Shachar Shemesh wrote about Re: there is now one IT company too many: If they sell/give away Linux, they have to sell or give away the version with the infringing code removed to satisfy section 6. Hearing you talk about it makes it sound as if there is actual infringing code. There is no actual infringing code. It's all just patent related vapor. Sometimes patent related vapor materializes into costly law suites, but that doesnt' change the fact it's vapor. When SCO sued claiming that their *copyrighted* code was put into Linux, their claims were easy (for us) to dismiss: either they are false, or if they are true, just tell us where, and we'll remove these pieces of code. Unfortunately, for patents, the situation is far far worse. It always makes me laugh (sadly) when I see Linux distributions avoid MP3, RSA, Truetype, and even GIF because of patents, when it is painfully obvious that out of the 10 billion patents (or whatever huge number) out there, there are probably hundreds that are being used in GNU/Linux without anyone even knowing. There are probably pantents on clicking, on menus, on listing files in a directory, and who knows what - we just never checked. Even worse, in the last decade, pantents started appearing that not only protect algorithms, but also compatibiliy. For example, you can't play an MP3 file without breaking patents (even if you write everything from scratch) and you can't show a Trutype font (in exactly the same way the designer intended) without breaking patents, and so on. Free Software traditionally tries to be compatible with existing software (Unix, Microsoft Windows, etc.) and by doing that, it is risking infringing on a lot of these anti- compatibility patents. It am quite sure that if Microsoft, IBM, or any other company with thousands of software patents, decided to check, they will be able to find their patents used in Linux or other free software. It's not that Free Software stole their idea - Free Software probably invented it independently, or even before them, or used it just to allow compatibilithy - but the American legal system doesn't care. The joke goes that a Jury is a group of 12 people which decide which side has a better lawer. The problem is, that this usually means who has more money. Last time around, we were lucky: the defendant was IBM, with deep pockets. What will we do next time, when the defendant is some small-potato free software project? -- Nadav Har'El|Wednesday, Nov 22 2006, 1 Kislev 5767 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |When you lose, don't lose the lesson. http://nadav.harel.org.il | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Spell Checking Strangeness
On Tuesday November 21 2006 22:57, you wrote: Hi all! I'm sorry to interrupt your busy schedule discussing the Novell/MS/Patents issue, but I encountered a very strange behaviour with KDE 3.5.4. If I'm using the KDE built-in spell checker (based on aspell) on English text, then it doesn't warn on the word tipshim (which means idiots in Hebrew, but is meaningless in English). Now, I'm using Mandriva 2007 but it was confirmed on MEPIS by an IRC correspondent. Check if you have the setting consider run-together words as spelling errors checked in KSpell's configuration dialogue. Having it unchecked isn't very useful for English, since it would consider a word like tipshim as legitimate, since it's two English words run-together: tips + him... So unless you have this setting checked, this isn't a bug. Regards. -- Meni Livne [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: there is now one IT company too many
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Nadav Har'El wrote: There are probably pantents on clicking, on menus, on listing files in a directory, and who knows what - we just never checked. Not outside the USA. Outside the USA there are NO patents on such things. NONE. No software patents, remeber ? Also, while many US patents are considered unenforceable, outside the US some things patented there appear to be plagiates of halfbakrey.com articles. With roughly 5000 years of technology to look back on (not 250) most 'obvious' patents are impossible to even discuss without everyone rolling on the floor laughing. Multiple button clicks assigned to different actions ? How about some previous art: door-knocks ? Pipe-knocking communication in a jail ? Or: One-click buying ? Did you ever see a vending machine, a mechanical one that sells cigarettes or newspapers ? Or soap and blessed water (dates back to Heron of Alexandria) ? Get real. Even worse, in the last decade, pantents started appearing that not only protect algorithms, but also compatibiliy. For example, you can't play an MP3 file without breaking patents (even if you write everything from scratch) MP3 is interesting because it did not originate in the States. MP3 was designed and implemented in Germany, at the Fraunhofer institute. Its most popular implementation (mpg123) comes from Berlin U. As such MP3 is a software patent that originated outside the States and could be enforced partially outside the US. THIS is more dangerous than anything Ballmer says or does imho. and you can't show a Trutype font (in exactly the same way the designer intended) without breaking patents, and so on. Free Software traditionally tries to be compatible with existing software (Unix, Microsoft Windows, etc.) and by doing that, it is risking infringing on a lot of these anti- compatibility patents. Free/Open Source software solves problems first of all. When it solves problems others have encountered before then it may have to use algorythms and methods which cover those problems 'by the book' or new ones elaborated for that purpose. Sometimes a previously known patented algorythm is rediscovered. But it is an algorythm, and it cannot be patented. At worst, another algorythm can be used to replace it. Solving problems others have encountered is called 'compatibility' (solving problems others have created is a special case subset of this). When someone creates a patent or other device that prevents others from solving a problem then the patent is wrong, as opposed to when someone creates a patent or device which covers a solution to solving a problem. In other words, patents and IP cannot become a replacement for exclusivity in access to a natural resource (problems are natural resources), which exclusivity is a narrow prerogative of the state everywhere in this world, and freely granted to people (like access to public land, roads etc - if you think a little, problems such as font rendering and published document accession are 'natural resources' without which a normal economy cannot function as long as the documents involved are public - or published as public). But I NAL. Anyway it's a nice try to use the patents and IP legal system to circumvent what amounts to basically access to nature and its discovery, access which is granted sine die to all in democratic countries (as long as they don't build nukes in their garages etc). This try is a strange twist on postindustrial service-industry capitalism as it grows larger and more threatening (the try) for OUTSIDERS. It is very unsurprising that this try originates in a country that currently engages in (neo-)mercantilism more than everyone else, and tries to talk (or bully) others into doing the same. It am quite sure that if Microsoft, IBM, or any other company with thousands of software patents, decided to check, they will be able to find their patents used in Linux or other free software. It's not that Free Software stole their idea - Free Software probably invented it independently, or even before them, or used it just to allow compatibilithy - but the American legal system doesn't care. And for that reason we don't care either. The uspto received a mandate from Congress to 'process patents and related cases in a way that better serves american business' (ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USPTO) while at the same time working 'under a strict quota system' (this is another way to say 'we shall do no evil' but also 'we cannot be sure we are not doing wrong' imho). This started at a certain date, in the 1970s. Before that, they were as stringent as any patent office. After that, they became what they are now. This is not an accident, it is by design. Of course anyone outside the US must respect this POLITICAL decision as well as their own laws. Which laws cover patents and IP in the usual, well-understood way, which makes patenting problems impossible (and with good
Re: KDE Spell Checking Strangeness
On Wednesday 22 November 2006 11:37, Meni Livne wrote: On Tuesday November 21 2006 22:57, you wrote: Hi all! I'm sorry to interrupt your busy schedule discussing the Novell/MS/Patents issue, but I encountered a very strange behaviour with KDE 3.5.4. If I'm using the KDE built-in spell checker (based on aspell) on English text, then it doesn't warn on the word tipshim (which means idiots in Hebrew, but is meaningless in English). Now, I'm using Mandriva 2007 but it was confirmed on MEPIS by an IRC correspondent. Check if you have the setting consider run-together words as spelling errors checked in KSpell's configuration dialogue. Having it unchecked isn't very useful for English, since it would consider a word like tipshim as legitimate, since it's two English words run-together: tips + him... So unless you have this setting checked, this isn't a bug. It was indeed unchecked. Once I checked it, kspell recognised the word tipshim as a spelling error. Albeit it suggested tip shim instead of tips him. What's shim? ;-) In any case, thanks. Meni++. Regards, Shlomi Fish - Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage:http://www.shlomifish.org/ Chuck Norris wrote a complete Perl 6 implementation in a day but then destroyed all evidence with his bare hands, so no one will know his secrets. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE Spell Checking Strangeness
On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 02:34:14PM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
It was indeed unchecked. Once I checked it, kspell recognised the
word tipshim as a spelling error. Albeit it suggested tip shim instead
of tips him. What's shim? ;-)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dict shim
4 definitions found
From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 [gcide]:
Shim \Shim\, n.
1. A kind of shallow plow used in tillage to break the
ground, and clear it of weeds.
[1913 Webster]
2. (Mach.) A thin piece of metal placed between two parts to
make a fit.
[1913 Webster]
From WordNet (r) 2.0 [wn]:
shim
n : a thin wedge of material (wood or metal or stone) for
driving into crevices
[also: {shimming}, {shimmed}]
From Jargon File (4.3.1, 29 Jun 2001) [jargon]:
shim n. 1. A small piece of data inserted in order to achieve a desired
memory alignment or other addressing property. For example, the PDP-11
Unix linker, in split ID (instructions and data) mode, inserts a
two-byte shim at location 0 in data space so that no data object will
have an address of 0 (and be confused with the C null pointer). See also
{loose bytes}. 2. A type of small transparent image inserted into HTML
documents by certain WYSIWYG HTML editors, used to set the spacing of
elements meant to have a fixed positioning within a TABLE or DIVision.
Hackers who work on the HTML code of such pages afterwards invariably
curse these for their crocky dependence on the particular spacing of
original image file, the editor that generated them, and the version of
the browser used to view them. Worse, they are a poorly designed
{kludge} which the advent of Cascading Style Sheets makes wholly
unnecessary; Any fool can plainly see that use of borders, layers and
positioned elements is the Right Thing (or would be if adequate support
for CSS were more common).
From The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03) [foldoc]:
shim
jargon, memory A small piece of data inserted in order to
achieve a desired {memory alignment} or other addressing
property. For example, the {PDP-11} {Unix} {linker}, in split
ID (instructions and data) mode, inserts a two-{byte} shim at
location 0 in data space so that no data object will have an
address of 0 (and be confused with the {C} null pointer).
See also {loose bytes}.
[{Jargon File}]
(1994-12-21)
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scp gets stuck after 100% of the file transfered.
Oh collective wisdom of all things linux. I have an scp question.. I have a script which scps's files from one server to another, I want to be sure that each scp command has ended successfully before I procceed to the next scp. The problems I'm seeing (sending from an ubuntu dapper to a debian stable) is that my scp reports I've arrived to 100% of the copy but it's still hangs. Beyond rendering my script useless it leaves tons of scp process on the server which isn't a pretty sight either? Anybody noticed this behaviour in scripting ssh, or has misconfigured something in a smiliar fashion? Debugging techinqes? adding verbosity with -v didn't help to much. thanks for any ideas Lior. --- ליאור קסוס , לינוויט http://www.linnovate.net
Re: cgi data file permission problem
On 11/22/06, Aharon Schkolnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I am trying to set up http://www.dynamicnetworks.us/netflow/10-cugrapher.html There is a perl program which resides in /var/www/cgi-bin. So far, so good. The program needs to open data files: opendir( DIR, $rrddir ) or browserDie(open $rrddir failed ($!)); This generates the error: open /var/www/data/netflow/rrds failed (Permission denied) Does the user running Apache have right to open that file? Gabor As you can see, I have tried moving the data file under the /var/www/data directory. I planned to replace this with a symlink. I figured the problem was in the httpd.conf file, so I added the following: Directory /var/www/data Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory No, this nothing has to do with the above problem. What else do I need to do ? I am running FC 5 with selinux. FC4 had this strong file system management working above the level of the simple UNIX file permissions. Maybe this is the same problem here. Gabor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cgi data file permission problem
You may need to set selinux attribute (with chcon) for the file you are about to open. If you are open file for writing you may want to use 'httpd_sys_script_rw_t' on both file and it's parent directory, for reading - httpd_sys_script_ro_t for file Valery. --- Aharon Schkolnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I am trying to set up http://www.dynamicnetworks.us/netflow/10-cugrapher.html There is a perl program which resides in /var/www/cgi-bin. So far, so good. The program needs to open data files: opendir( DIR, $rrddir ) or browserDie(open $rrddir failed ($!)); This generates the error: open /var/www/data/netflow/rrds failed (Permission denied) As you can see, I have tried moving the data file under the /var/www/data directory. I planned to replace this with a symlink. I figured the problem was in the httpd.conf file, so I added the following: Directory /var/www/data Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory What else do I need to do ? I am running FC 5 with selinux. TIA, -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| [EMAIL PROTECTED] impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 050-8724844 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Ubuntu freeze
It is a brand new machine with a new install of Ubuntu Dapper. I have gotten some automatic updates but basically it is a 6.06 system. It is a Gigabyte motherboard with a dual core Pentium 4 processor. The video is the onboard Intel 945G graphics controller. It has a single 250GB SATA drive. It currently has 512 MB of DDR2 RAM. The second 512 MB chip was returned because it failed memtest. I am waiting to get a replacement. I am running GNOME (I installed the workstation install and added the server packages that I wanted). I checked that swap is on. At least free reports swap available. Thanks, David Suna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Julian Daich wrote: El lun, 20-11-2006 a las 22:29 +0200, David Suna escribió: I have a new Ubuntu system which I have been experiencing random freezes on. Could you specify which version are you using? Did you upgrade version? When the machine freezes nothing besides for a reset will get it back. I cannot get console access via the keyboard nor can I get access via ssh. I observed these problems in both 6.06 and 6.10 specially with old hardware. Send your hardware configuration including graphic card. *Ubuntu 6.* and other Debian based distros that use kernel 2.6.17 does not manage properly some drivers. I experience these problems with a Savage graphic card with *Ubuntu 6.* and Knoppix 5.0, but not with Ubuntu 5.10 or Knoppix 4.0. This machine acts as the NAT router for an internal network and none of the machines on the internal network can access the Internet. Are you using any GUI? I have looked at the logs but there are no error messages in the logs. Sometimes the freezes occur when the machine is idle and sometimes when the machine is active. Since I had memory problems on this machine before I ran memtest on the memory but no errors were reported even after running the test for more than 10 hours. Check also if your motherboard is overclocked and remove the defective RAM. Check for your specific hardware at the Ubuntu bug reports. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs Check also if your swap is active. The new system that replace Init at Ubuntu 6.10 sometimes forgets to activate the swap space. However it seems only occur if you upgraded from an older version and was not has been yet reported in fresh installs. Try with Ubuntu 5.10 and if it works, don´t forget to fill a bug. Can anyone suggest how to go about diagnosing what the problem is? Thanks, = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scp gets stuck after 100% of the file transfered.
On 23/11/06, Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh collective wisdom of all things linux. I have an scp question.. I have a script which scps's files from one server to another, I want to be sure that each scp command has ended successfully before I procceed to the next scp. The problems I'm seeing (sending from an ubuntu dapper to a debian stable) is that my scp reports I've arrived to 100% of the copy but it's still hangs. Have you tried running it with -v -v? (add more -v for even more detail). Beyond rendering my script useless it leaves tons of scp process on the server which isn't a pretty sight either? How exactly do you define hangs? I though you said that your script will wait for one scp to complete before it proceeds to the next one. Regardless ofthe above problem - to speed things up with multiple ssh connections to the same host you should consider use of the -M option. --Amos
problems with tetex 3.0
Hi I upgraded to tetex 3.0 (I'm using gentoo) through portage. Now when i try to run 'pdfelatex' on files it fails immediately and outputs: This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.5-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5) kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfelatex.fmt fmtutil: no info for format `pdfelatex'. I can't find the format file `pdfelatex.fmt'! If any of you can please help me i will greatly thank him, Guy
Re: problems with tetex 3.0
On Wednesday November 22 2006 22:50, Guy Rutenberg wrote: I upgraded to tetex 3.0 (I'm using gentoo) through portage. Now when i try to run 'pdfelatex' on files it fails immediately and outputs: This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.5-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5) kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfelatex.fmt fmtutil: no info for format `pdfelatex'. I can't find the format file `pdfelatex.fmt'! If any of you can please help me i will greatly thank him, Cannot reproduce on x86 and don't have your arch, sorry. Why not reopen the bug you filed a month ago and provide the information the devs requested, and let them figure it out. They are much more helpful if you do what they tell you -- Sincerely Yours, Michael Vasiliev ... the question of whether Machines Can Think ... is about as relevant as the question of whether Submarines Can Swim. -- Edsger Wybe Dijkstra = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: there is now one IT company too many
On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 01:37:40PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: You don't have to actually listen to them. The first time that either: 1. Novell claims that it is the only one you can buy Linux from due to said deal 2. MS sues ANYONE for Linux patent infringement Novel must, immediately, either shake loose (retroactively) from the MS deal or open itself up for copyright infringement claims. In other words, I don't know what the deal is, but the GPL seems to be doing it's job ok so far. But what if MS has a patent on something X or apache uses? No GPL issue here. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: scp gets stuck after 100% of the file transfered.
Tried it with the -vv both on the client and the server.. eventually reverted to ncftpput. I had a similiar issue with a remote execution using ssh but that was solved by adding -t. thanks anyway Lior On 11/22/06, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23/11/06, Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh collective wisdom of all things linux. I have an scp question.. I have a script which scps's files from one server to another, I want to be sure that each scp command has ended successfully before I procceed to the next scp. The problems I'm seeing (sending from an ubuntu dapper to a debian stable) is that my scp reports I've arrived to 100% of the copy but it's still hangs. Have you tried running it with -v -v? (add more -v for even more detail). Beyond rendering my script useless it leaves tons of scp process on the server which isn't a pretty sight either? How exactly do you define hangs? I though you said that your script will wait for one scp to complete before it proceeds to the next one. Regardless ofthe above problem - to speed things up with multiple ssh connections to the same host you should consider use of the -M option. --Amos -- --- ליאור קסוס , לינוויט http://www.linnovate.net
Re: Ubuntu freeze
El mié, 22-11-2006 a las 18:03 +0200, David Suna escribió: It is a brand new machine with a new install of Ubuntu Dapper. I have gotten some automatic updates but basically it is a 6.06 system. Did the problems start from the beginning or after some update? which repositories are you using for apt-get? It is a Gigabyte motherboard with a dual core Pentium 4 processor. The video is the onboard Intel 945G graphics controller. It has a single 250GB SATA drive. It currently has 512 MB of DDR2 RAM. The second 512 MB chip was returned because it failed memtest. I am waiting to get a replacement. Even with half of the RAM your system not seems to be shortcoming in resources. Ubuntu was developed and well tested with such hardware. The issues that I told about are related to older hardware not so well tested in *ubuntu 6.06 or higher. Are you still experiencing troubles after removing that RAM? It is also very recommendable to use the kernel 686 from the* stable* repositories. If after revert or upgrade to the 686 kernel and upgrade your system with the* stable* repositories the problems persists is time to think about a broken package or a hardware failure. I am running GNOME (I installed the workstation install and added the server packages that I wanted). Sometimes the freezes occur when the machine is idle and sometimes when the machine is active. What the machine did then? Since I had memory problems on this machine before I ran memtest on the memory but no errors were reported even after running the test for more than 10 hours. Check also if your motherboard is overclocked and remove the defective RAM. Check for your specific hardware at the Ubuntu bug reports. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs Check also if your swap is active. The new system that replace Init at Ubuntu 6.10 sometimes forgets to activate the swap space. However it seems only occur if you upgraded from an older version and was not has been yet reported in fresh installs. Try with Ubuntu 5.10 and if it works, don´t forget to fill a bug. Can anyone suggest how to go about diagnosing what the problem is? Thanks, = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Julian Daich [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problems with tetex 3.0
On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 10:50:13PM +0200, Guy Rutenberg wrote: Hi I upgraded to tetex 3.0 (I'm using gentoo) through portage. Now when i try to run 'pdfelatex' on files it fails immediately and outputs: This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.30.5-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.5) kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdfelatex.fmt fmtutil: no info for format `pdfelatex'. I can't find the format file `pdfelatex.fmt'! Those .fmt files are basically core dums of TeX with the relevant macros in memory. Not unlike SmallTalk. See 'info web2c' or: http://www.nada.kth.se/cgi-bin/info?(web2c.info)Memory%20dumps = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: there is now one IT company too many
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: But what if MS has a patent on something X or apache uses? No GPL issue here. Except this is no more of a problem today than it was half a year ago. The Novell deal changes nothing in that regard. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: there is now one IT company too many
--0-2002734281-1164265975=:75679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 01:37:40PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: You don't have to actually listen to them. The first time that either: 1. Novell claims that it is the only one you can buy Linux from due to said deal 2. MS sues ANYONE for Linux patent infringement Novel must, immediately, either shake loose (retroactively) from the MS deal or open itself up for copyright infringement claims. In other words, I don't know what the deal is, but the GPL seems to be doing it's job ok so far. Who would - and how could they - sue Novell for copyright infringement based on any lawsuit Microsoft initiates for Linux patent infringement? What is Novell's legal liability for anything MS does that is not clearly specified in their deal? Novell wouldn't be suing the Linux user and therefore isn't violating the GPL. Novell and Microsoft have not merged their corporate entities, so Novell has no shared liability for MS challenging the GPL. Regarding point 1., Novell has made it clear that it has entered into an agreement with MS that shields its users from Linux litigation; it is stating a fact that resonates with business clients. It doesn't need to - and probably won't - state that MS's claims lack merit or are otherwise FUD. The GPL has worked well, up to now. But up to now Microsoft has not become involved in the Linux market. And Microsoft is one hell of a disruptive corporate entity in the markets it enters. It can also be a legal juggernaut with bottomless pockets to drag out proceedings if it does not achieve its legal goals outright. How many years has MS's anti-trust issue dragged out? - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. --0-2002734281-1164265975=:75679 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Tue, Nov 21, 2006 at 01:37:40PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:brblockquote class=replbq style=border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;gt; You don't have to actually listen to them. The first time that either:brgt; 1. Novell claims that it is the only one you can buy Linux from due tobrgt; said dealbrgt; 2. MS sues ANYONE for Linux patent infringementbrgt; brgt; Novel must, immediately, either shake loose (retroactively) from the MSbrgt; deal or open itself up for copyright infringement claims.brgt; brgt; In other words, I don't know what the deal is, but the GPL seems to bebrgt; doing it's job ok so far.br/blockquoteWho would - and how could they - sue Novell for copyright infringement based on any lawsuit Microsoft initiates for Linux patent infringement?nbsp; What is Novell's legal liability for anything MS does that is not clearly specified in their deal?nbsp; Novell wouldn't be suing the Linux user and therefore isn't violating the GPL.nbsp; Novell and Microsoft have not merged their corporate entities, so Novell has no shared liability for MS challenging the GPL.brbrRegarding point 1., Novell has made it clear that it has entered into an agreement with MS that shields its users from Linux litigation; it is stating a fact that resonates with business clients.nbsp; It doesn't need tonbsp; - and probably won't - state that MS's claims lack merit or are otherwise FUD.brbrThe GPL has worked well, up to now.nbsp; But up to now Microsoft has not become involved in the Linux market.nbsp; And Microsoft is one hell of a disruptive corporate entity in the markets it enters.nbsp; It can also be a legal juggernaut with bottomless pockets to drag out proceedings if it does not achieve its legal goals outright.nbsp; How many years has MS's anti-trust issue dragged out?brp#32; hr size=1Everyone is raving about a href=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=42297/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta;the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta./a --0-2002734281-1164265975=:75679-- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cgi data file permission problem
Thanks for the help. It is in fact a selinux problem. I may not pursue the issue any further, because I may be dropping the whole project for other reasons. On Wednesday 22 November 2006 5:28 pm, Valery Reznic wrote: You may need to set selinux attribute (with chcon) for the file you are about to open. If you are open file for writing you may want to use 'httpd_sys_script_rw_t' on both file and it's parent directory, for reading - httpd_sys_script_ro_t for file Valery. --- Aharon Schkolnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I am trying to set up http://www.dynamicnetworks.us/netflow/10-cugrapher.html There is a perl program which resides in /var/www/cgi-bin. So far, so good. The program needs to open data files: opendir( DIR, $rrddir ) or browserDie(open $rrddir failed ($!)); This generates the error: open /var/www/data/netflow/rrds failed (Permission denied) As you can see, I have tried moving the data file under the /var/www/data directory. I planned to replace this with a symlink. I figured the problem was in the httpd.conf file, so I added the following: Directory /var/www/data Options Indexes FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all /Directory What else do I need to do ? I am running FC 5 with selinux. TIA, -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| [EMAIL PROTECTED] impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 050-8724844 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ _ Sponsored Link Rates near 39yr lows. $510,000 Loan for $1698/mo. Calcuate new payment. www.LowerMyBills.com/lre = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| [EMAIL PROTECTED] impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 050-8724844 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bridge-mode Squid widh LDAP Authentication ?
Hi. My company is looking for a type of URL filtering solution with some difficult requirements. The general idea is similiar to a firewall - any given user can be granted or denied permission to access any given web site. I believe that this general idea is supported by squid. However, my company wants to manage permission granting through LDAP - ie if a given user is a member of a certain group, he is to be granted permission to access a given site. I understand that squid has a LDAP module which might support this type of authorization. However, we had a bad experience using web proxies, so we would much prefer a bridge-based solution. I understand that squid can be set up as a (transparent) bridge. However, if squid is a bridge, how can it use LDAP authorization ? I guess what would be ideal is if the browser (IE on XP) would send the user's login ID in some x- header in the http packet stream, and then squid would look that up in the LDAP database to see what group the user is a member of. Does anyone have any idea if something like this is possible ? TIA. Aharon -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| [EMAIL PROTECTED] impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 050-8724844 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
