Re: Using culmus fonts within Inkscape

2007-01-23 Thread Chen Levy
I can reproduce this bug on my system too.

Cheers,
Chen.

ביום ראשון 21 ינואר 2007, 12:27, נכתב על ידי Yuval Hager:
> Hi,
>
> I am having this strange problem with Inkscape, couldn't find anything on
> the net about it.
>
> Using culmus fonts, certain fonts just "insist" on staying bold style. When
> I choose "medium" style and click "apply" in the font selection dialog -
> they just become "bold".
>
> This goes for ComixNo2 CLM and David CLM (maybe some more, I didn't check
> them all). Checking other apps, like OpenOffice, Gimp, I do get the thinner
> version of the font, but not within Inkscape.
>
> Has anyone seen anything similar?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --yuval

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Re: Experience with Scmbug?

2007-01-23 Thread Lior Okman
Amos Shapira wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone here had/heard experience with Scmbug?
> (http://www.mkgnu.net/?q=taxonomy/term/1)

My company uses this tool with Subversion and Bugzilla.

We're actually pretty satisfied with it. It's easy to setup on Debian,
easy to maintain, and simply works with the Bugzilla and Subversion that
come with Debian.
>
> It appears to be a "generic" interface to integrate issue tracking
> systems ( i.e. the Bugzilla's of the world) with version control
> systems (the CVS's, SVN's of the world).
>
> I plan to join an environment which already uses Bugzilla and I plan
> to offer integration of Subversion into this, so Trac is apparently
> not an option (is Trac better than Scmbug?).
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Amos
>
Lior

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Experience with Scmbug?

2007-01-23 Thread Amos Shapira

Hi,

Does anyone here had/heard experience with Scmbug?
(http://www.mkgnu.net/?q=taxonomy/term/1)

It appears to be a "generic" interface to integrate issue tracking systems (
i.e. the Bugzilla's of the world) with version control systems (the CVS's,
SVN's of the world).

I plan to join an environment which already uses Bugzilla and I plan to
offer integration of Subversion into this, so Trac is apparently not an
option (is Trac better than Scmbug?).

Thanks,

--Amos


Booting linux from windows over net (was: Re: Simulating PXE boot?)

2007-01-23 Thread Amos Shapira

I've just realized that maybe the original subject was wrong and therefore
pointed repliers to the wrong direction. What I was after is to actually be
able to run something under Win98 which will start the boot sequence of
Linux over the network and end up with NFS-root. So far it looks like LTSP
and maybe loadlin can help me achieve that.

On 24/01/07, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Amos Shapira wrote:

> On 23/01/07, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> I have used it to boot full knoppix on PIII 450MHz with only 64MB ram
>
> Was it a laptop? Laptops have tendency to contain "special" and
"nouvelle"
> hardware, the kind that requires "special vendor CD with addition
hardware
> drivers" when re-installing windows and kept Linux away from laptops
back in
> the bad old days.

Are you afraid to try ? ;-) It was not a laptop, it was a bare board in



Yes, certainly. I don't have the means and the time to fix it if it breaks.

a cardboard shoe box in the beginning. And yes, you are right, laptops

had/have 'interesting' hardware variations. But there is only one way to
find out if *your* laptop is one of them. Which you have to do about now
because you need to know the exact netcard type and version (PCI ID is
enough but not always) when you use rom-o-matic.



Ha :) This laptop is so old that it doesn't have an integrated network card
- the net card is a PCMCIA 10/100 addition I bought her around 2003.

etherboot deals with the generation of boot ROMs, some of which are

altered such that they can be brought up from floppy for testing.



So maybe I didn't understand what it is. I'll just try to stick to whatever
LTSP does because it sounds like just what I need.


Again - I prefer to let my wife boot into Win98 and then decide whether
she
> wants to switch to Linux, I'm afraid picking from a boot menu or having
to
> reboot to do that will keep her away from trying this.

Use stronger persuasion. Or wait for the next Win98 crash when there
will be no other option until you find the time to ... reinstall.



Actually, surprisingly I can't remember when was the last time we had to
re-install her Windows - I converted her to Firefox and Thunderbird (before
she moved to gmail) and have anti-virus and anti-spyware running all the
time.
It does start to show some weird behaviour in the last couple of weeks which
might make her a bit more receptive for a change.

Something or other. One way to turn users off wrt. Linux is to force it

upon them. Same for anything else. Like Vista for example. I hope.



As you say - *forcing* things on her only makes her push back, that's why
the option to "just run" linux without scaring her by erasing her Windows
looks so attractive at this stage.

AS I SAID BEFORE it might but it involves a reboot, strictly speaking.

Once inside a system there is no way to change to another system without



Bzzt. Wrong answer - Win98 is actually DOS, which uses "real mode"[1], so
things like loadlin (which was probably what I was looking for when asking
my first question) are possible.

you want, the user will THINK it's a reboot anyway. And he will be right

about it. To mitigate the pain you can make a nice splash screen with



Not quite, IMHO. It isn't exact science but I want to assure my wife that
when she powers on her laptop she'll get the same familiar Windows boot
sequence without a change.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_mode

Cheers,

--Amos


Re: Simulating PXE boot?

2007-01-23 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 08:25:46PM +1100, Amos Shapira wrote:
> On 23/01/07, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >2007/1/23, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Is it possible to achieve the same effect of PXE boot (i.e. pull
> >> everything over the net, at most use a file on the local FAT32 disk for
> >> swap) using some DOS/Win98 software?
> >
> >
> >For a tool allowing you to do it yourself, look at etherboot. For a
> >framework doing most of this for you, look at ltsp.org.
> >
> 
> Thanks for the pointer. Forgot about it.
> 
> My motivation - we have an ancient Toshiba Sattelite 4030CDT that can boot
> >> Ubuntu live from its CD-ROM but it's slow, my wife won't let me install
> >> Linux over her Win98, and on top of this the CD-ROM is slow and noisy. 
> >There
> >> is no space on the disk to install Linux besides Windows (4 or 6 Gb HD).
> >>
> >> So I though it would be great if I could just run something a-la
> >> "loadlin" from inside a Win98 command-window that will pull down the 
> >kernel
> >
> >
> >loadlin actually might be "good enough" and if you know it well might be
> >less work than PXE or etherboot.
> >
> 
> I haven't touched it since the very early days of Linux. I think I'd prefer
> to be able to control the booted version from the server, though.
> 
> Copy your favourite kernel+initrd to the laptop and set up e.g. a
> config.sys/autoexec.bat
> >menu. For that matter, you can take the kernel+initrd from ltsp.org above.
> >
> 
> Thanks.  Looks useful.
> 
> and initramfs from my Debian Etch desktop and bootstrap from that, using NFS
> >> root mount from the Debian disk. Once I have this I suppose it should be
> >> easy to setup some XFCE or KDE-based environment to accomodate for the
> >> modest CPU and RAM.
> >
> >
> >Or maybe to run on the laptop only an X server that will -query your box.
> >Assuming she would at least want to use a recent version of firefox, I 
> >would
> >not recommend running it locally (from nfsroot or whatever) with less than
> >256MB RAM.
> >
> 
> That's what I realized after sending my question - once Linux is up and
> running on the laptop it better just XDMCP login to my Debian Desktop.
> Then maybe LTSP +etherboot is really all I need - I'll look into it, so far
> it looks just right (including having ready Debian packages, of course :).

BTW: something etherboot lacks is a ready-made image of "most ethernet
cards". They used to have one but it bacame too big to boot.

I have my own floppy image that I occasionally use (
http://rapid.sunsite.dk/rapid/install/floppy/ )

I also have a CD version of that. It required a minor tweak to the
etherboot ISO making scripts (at least in 5.4.1).

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Re: Simulating PXE boot?

2007-01-23 Thread Peter


On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Amos Shapira wrote:


1. Do you know whether I should expect this to work on a laptop built in
1998 and support all the hardware on it? From digging the
rom-o-matic.netand other linked sites I didn't find an answer to that.


I have used it to boot full knoppix on PIII 450MHz with only 64MB ram 
for testing. Works like a champ. The system is even usable like this 
(Firefox etc). The network is faster than the cloop system and you can 
arrange for remote swapping. Linux is not Vista [tm]. Although knoppix 
etc try hard imho.



2. It still requires me to boot (or reboot) stright into linux, while I'd
prefer to just be able to run a command from under Win98 to start the
switch.


In theory there is a trick to reboot into linux like this, using loadlin 
or something like that. I do not know how to do it now. BUT PXE boot 
images support boot menus so you can have the cd in the drive and if so 
a menu will ask what to do.



burned into a bootable cd with floppy emulation. Then boot from this cd.

It's an old, slow and noisy CD that I'd rather not rely upon.


It's only needed to start the system (only the 1.44 or 2.88MB image is 
loaded from it). After that it stays quiet.



I think that it works but it has been 2 years since I did it with a cd.

Nowadays I burn PXE boot loaders into flash or eeprom when needed. The


Including ancient hardware?


Yes.

Peter

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Re: Simulating PXE boot?

2007-01-23 Thread Peter


On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Amos Shapira wrote:


On 23/01/07, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I have used it to boot full knoppix on PIII 450MHz with only 64MB ram


Was it a laptop? Laptops have tendency to contain "special" and "nouvelle"
hardware, the kind that requires "special vendor CD with addition hardware
drivers" when re-installing windows and kept Linux away from laptops back in
the bad old days.


Are you afraid to try ? ;-) It was not a laptop, it was a bare board in 
a cardboard shoe box in the beginning. And yes, you are right, laptops 
had/have 'interesting' hardware variations. But there is only one way to 
find out if *your* laptop is one of them. Which you have to do about now 
because you need to know the exact netcard type and version (PCI ID is 
enough but not always) when you use rom-o-matic.



2. It still requires me to boot (or reboot) stright into linux, while I'd
> prefer to just be able to run a command from under Win98 to start the
> switch.

In theory there is a trick to reboot into linux like this, using loadlin
or something like that. I do not know how to do it now. BUT PXE boot


That's what etherboot is for, as far as I understand it.


etherboot deals with the generation of boot ROMs, some of which are 
altered such that they can be brought up from floppy for testing. 
Developers have added all sorts of features over time, such as boot 
menus and server choosers and unattended reboots to other systems using 
a try list afair. But etherboot does nothing but provide the tools for 
remote network booting.



images support boot menus so you can have the cd in the drive and if so

a menu will ask what to do.


Again - I prefer to let my wife boot into Win98 and then decide whether she
wants to switch to Linux, I'm afraid picking from a boot menu or having to
reboot to do that will keep her away from trying this.


Use stronger persuasion. Or wait for the next Win98 crash when there 
will be no other option until you find the time to ... reinstall. 
Something or other. One way to turn users off wrt. Linux is to force it 
upon them. Same for anything else. Like Vista for example. I hope.


Also there is a version of linux that runs 'under' windows. I don't know 
if it works with W98. I haven't used windows for anything but 
seeing it boot and click 3 times since W95.



It's only needed to start the system (only the 1.44 or 2.88MB image is
loaded from it). After that it stays quiet.


Can't it be executed from a file on the DOS hard disk?


AS I SAID BEFORE it might but it involves a reboot, strictly speaking. 
Once inside a system there is no way to change to another system without 
the equivalent of a reboot. Whether a VM reboot is a reboot is 
negotiable but for the user it will feel like a reboot, look like a 
reboot, and take as long as a reboot takes. So you can call it whatever 
you want, the user will THINK it's a reboot anyway. And he will be right 
about it. To mitigate the pain you can make a nice splash screen with 
etherboot so she will be able to look at something other than boot 
messages while waiting. Something along the lines of 'Amos is da man!' 
etc.,  that should prevent negative comments using applied psychology.


Peter

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Re: Simulating PXE boot?

2007-01-23 Thread Amos Shapira

On 23/01/07, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Amos Shapira wrote:

> 1. Do you know whether I should expect this to work on a laptop built in
> 1998 and support all the hardware on it? From digging the
> rom-o-matic.netand other linked sites I didn't find an answer to that.

I have used it to boot full knoppix on PIII 450MHz with only 64MB ram



Was it a laptop? Laptops have tendency to contain "special" and "nouvelle"
hardware, the kind that requires "special vendor CD with addition hardware
drivers" when re-installing windows and kept Linux away from laptops back in
the bad old days.


2. It still requires me to boot (or reboot) stright into linux, while I'd
> prefer to just be able to run a command from under Win98 to start the
> switch.

In theory there is a trick to reboot into linux like this, using loadlin
or something like that. I do not know how to do it now. BUT PXE boot



That's what etherboot is for, as far as I understand it.

images support boot menus so you can have the cd in the drive and if so

a menu will ask what to do.



Again - I prefer to let my wife boot into Win98 and then decide whether she
wants to switch to Linux, I'm afraid picking from a boot menu or having to
reboot to do that will keep her away from trying this.


burned into a bootable cd with floppy emulation. Then boot from this cd.
>
> It's an old, slow and noisy CD that I'd rather not rely upon.

It's only needed to start the system (only the 1.44 or 2.88MB image is
loaded from it). After that it stays quiet.



Can't it be executed from a file on the DOS hard disk?

Cheers,

--Amos


Re: Simulating PXE boot?

2007-01-23 Thread Amos Shapira

On 23/01/07, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


LTSP = Linux Terminal Services Project =~ Knoppix terminal server (which
is a version of ltsp with everything already working).



I see.

Etherboot has a rom-o-matic service which allows you to generate and

download a bootable PXE image for rom or floppy. The floppy image can be



Thanks for the pointer. I wasn't aware of this.
Two points about that:
1. Do you know whether I should expect this to work on a laptop built in
1998 and support all the hardware on it? From digging the
rom-o-matic.netand other linked sites I didn't find an answer to that.
2. It still requires me to boot (or reboot) stright into linux, while I'd
prefer to just be able to run a command from under Win98 to start the
switch.

burned into a bootable cd with floppy emulation. Then boot from this cd.


It's an old, slow and noisy CD that I'd rather not rely upon.

I think that it works but it has been 2 years since I did it with a cd.

Nowadays I burn PXE boot loaders into flash or eeprom when needed. The



Including ancient hardware?

PXE boot loader works with ltsp and the knoppix terminal server. In fact

the boot diskette that knoppix terminal server lets you make is of the
exact same kind as the one you get from rom-o-matic at etherboot, and
not by accident.



Yes, I saw the mention of a link to ltsp from the rom-o-matic site.

As to 'running knoppix just for this' you are free to copy the relevant

config files from the knoppix image to your current local server and run
tftpd, dhcpd and bind to make it work as you like.



It looks like the Debian ltsp packages are doing this service for me
already.

It's your call, as they say.


good luck,
Peter



Thanks,

--Amos


Re: Simulating PXE boot?

2007-01-23 Thread Peter


On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Amos Shapira wrote:


On 23/01/07, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Try to test it using the terminal server built into knoppix. Run knoppix
on a 'server' turn on terminal server services and make a boot floppy
using it, the boot the Toshiba with the floppy. This will not be fast



Thanks but I don't quite follow what's the advantage here - are you
suggesting to run Knoppix on my server just to create a boot floppy? Then
I'll have to boot the laptop from that floppy?

but you can do it in an hour.


You mean - including the fruitless search for floppy disks? (where do you
get such things these days?)

Didi's pointer to LTSP seems to be just the right thing - I expect to be
able to just install ltsp-server on Debian, download a small etherboot/ltsp
client (have to clarify that) to the Windows laptop and most importantly -
be able to start the Linux boot process from inside the running Win98.


LTSP = Linux Terminal Services Project =~ Knoppix terminal server (which 
is a version of ltsp with everything already working).


If you think that 'searching for a working floppy' will be your biggest 
problem with this endeavour I wish you a good deal or good luck.


Etherboot has a rom-o-matic service which allows you to generate and 
download a bootable PXE image for rom or floppy. The floppy image can be 
burned into a bootable cd with floppy emulation. Then boot from this cd. 
I think that it works but it has been 2 years since I did it with a cd. 
Nowadays I burn PXE boot loaders into flash or eeprom when needed. The 
PXE boot loader works with ltsp and the knoppix terminal server. In fact 
the boot diskette that knoppix terminal server lets you make is of the 
exact same kind as the one you get from rom-o-matic at etherboot, and 
not by accident.


As to 'running knoppix just for this' you are free to copy the relevant 
config files from the knoppix image to your current local server and run 
tftpd, dhcpd and bind to make it work as you like.


It's your call, as they say.

good luck,
Peter

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Re: Simulating PXE boot?

2007-01-23 Thread Amos Shapira

On 23/01/07, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


2007/1/23, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hello,
>
> Is it possible to achieve the same effect of PXE boot (i.e. pull
> everything over the net, at most use a file on the local FAT32 disk for
> swap) using some DOS/Win98 software?


For a tool allowing you to do it yourself, look at etherboot. For a
framework doing most of this for you, look at ltsp.org.



Thanks for the pointer. Forgot about it.

My motivation - we have an ancient Toshiba Sattelite 4030CDT that can boot

> Ubuntu live from its CD-ROM but it's slow, my wife won't let me install
> Linux over her Win98, and on top of this the CD-ROM is slow and noisy. There
> is no space on the disk to install Linux besides Windows (4 or 6 Gb HD).
>
> So I though it would be great if I could just run something a-la
> "loadlin" from inside a Win98 command-window that will pull down the kernel


loadlin actually might be "good enough" and if you know it well might be
less work than PXE or etherboot.



I haven't touched it since the very early days of Linux. I think I'd prefer
to be able to control the booted version from the server, though.

Copy your favourite kernel+initrd to the laptop and set up e.g. a
config.sys/autoexec.bat

menu. For that matter, you can take the kernel+initrd from ltsp.org above.



Thanks.  Looks useful.

and initramfs from my Debian Etch desktop and bootstrap from that, using NFS

> root mount from the Debian disk. Once I have this I suppose it should be
> easy to setup some XFCE or KDE-based environment to accomodate for the
> modest CPU and RAM.


Or maybe to run on the laptop only an X server that will -query your box.
Assuming she would at least want to use a recent version of firefox, I would
not recommend running it locally (from nfsroot or whatever) with less than
256MB RAM.



That's what I realized after sending my question - once Linux is up and
running on the laptop it better just XDMCP login to my Debian Desktop.
Then maybe LTSP +etherboot is really all I need - I'll look into it, so far
it looks just right (including having ready Debian packages, of course :).

Cheers,

--Amos


Re: Simulating PXE boot?

2007-01-23 Thread Amos Shapira

On 23/01/07, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Try to test it using the terminal server built into knoppix. Run knoppix
on a 'server' turn on terminal server services and make a boot floppy
using it, the boot the Toshiba with the floppy. This will not be fast



Thanks but I don't quite follow what's the advantage here - are you
suggesting to run Knoppix on my server just to create a boot floppy? Then
I'll have to boot the laptop from that floppy?

but you can do it in an hour.


You mean - including the fruitless search for floppy disks? (where do you
get such things these days?)

Didi's pointer to LTSP seems to be just the right thing - I expect to be
able to just install ltsp-server on Debian, download a small etherboot/ltsp
client (have to clarify that) to the Windows laptop and most importantly -
be able to start the Linux boot process from inside the running Win98.

Thanks,

--Amos