Re: 64-bit linux
Hi Amos, You are right. Yesterday I reinstalled the 32bit version. The 64-bit compilation didn't work well and I had to waste my time to make SIMPLE things work... so I just decided to move back to 32-bit compilation. Anyway, it was a good experience. Thanks On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/5 Boaz Rymland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Usually you'll come quite quickly on a need for the 32bit libraries, be it for (I'm not sure I'm correct or updated with all my examples) Flash plug-in for your browser (or other browser issues, like firebug extension, although I think in FF3 this is solved), Sun Java JRE and some other propriety or closed source applications/libraries (perhaps skype client as well, for sound device usage, not sure). In any case, I don't think there's any harm from installing those libraries so I guess that either way is safe and ok to go. My personal experience is that 64 bit (7.10 and 8.04) on Desktop wasn't worth the hassle if you want to use proprietary software - Flash never worked well (non-Adobe aren't there yet) and other proprietary software (Picasa, possibly Google Earth but this week I noticed that they have 64-bit version for that) also was a hassle to install and then didn't work (don't remember details). I since switched to 32-bit and forgot all about it. Back when I had 64 bit, I followed all sorts of how-to's on getting things working with it and it never was right (e.g. Flash never worked). Now with 32 bit on my desktop and laptop, I don't see any disadvantages (it doesn't feel any slower and it can make use of the 2Gb RAM I have). I don't use my desktops for C/C++ development. I do most of my dev in Perl now and use (64bit) CentOS servers for production deployment. Your requirements may vary. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thanks, Eran
Re: 64-bit linux
Well, to me, there was some hassle, but frankly its not that great. Just recently I've installed Kubuntu 8.04, 64bit version on my office desktop (some new Dell machine). I don't remember anything too special I needed to mess with. Also, things are improving with time so I guess bad experiences from the past are becoming more and more - a thing of the past (like Linux usage in general, which is becoming more convenient, skipping the need to be a rocket scientist to get a common and useful functionality out of it). Boaz. Amos Shapira wrote: 2008/7/5 Boaz Rymland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Usually you'll come quite quickly on a need for the 32bit libraries, be it for (I'm not sure I'm correct or updated with all my examples) Flash plug-in for your browser (or other browser issues, like firebug extension, although I think in FF3 this is solved), Sun Java JRE and some other propriety or closed source applications/libraries (perhaps skype client as well, for sound device usage, not sure). In any case, I don't think there's any harm from installing those libraries so I guess that either way is safe and ok to go. My personal experience is that 64 bit (7.10 and 8.04) on Desktop wasn't worth the hassle if you want to use proprietary software - Flash never worked well (non-Adobe aren't there yet) and other proprietary software (Picasa, possibly Google Earth but this week I noticed that they have 64-bit version for that) also was a hassle to install and then didn't work (don't remember details). I since switched to 32-bit and forgot all about it. Back when I had 64 bit, I followed all sorts of how-to's on getting things working with it and it never was right (e.g. Flash never worked). Now with 32 bit on my desktop and laptop, I don't see any disadvantages (it doesn't feel any slower and it can make use of the 2Gb RAM I have). I don't use my desktops for C/C++ development. I do most of my dev in Perl now and use (64bit) CentOS servers for production deployment. Your requirements may vary. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 64-bit linux
2008/7/5 Boaz Rymland [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, to me, there was some hassle, but frankly its not that great. Just recently I've installed Kubuntu 8.04, 64bit version on my office desktop (some new Dell machine). I don't remember anything too special I needed to mess with. 64-bit generally works, yes. It's just that the little things in the edges can get annoying at some stage. Did you get Flash to work (I mean - to a level that allows you to view all the Flash-using web sites that you care about)? Also, things are improving with time so I guess bad experiences from the past are becoming more and more - a thing of the past (like Linux usage in general, which is becoming more convenient, skipping the need to be a rocket scientist to get a common and useful functionality out of it). Certainly! Though I reported about experience with 7.10 and 8.04, the two latest Ubuntu releases, one about 4-5 months since it was released so most of the trivial bugs should have been fixed and one was just released with all the latest improvements. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 64-bit linux
On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 64-bit generally works, yes. It's just that the little things in the edges can get annoying at some stage. Did you get Flash to work (I mean - to a level that allows you to view all the Flash-using web sites that you care about)? Flash works in kubuntu 8.04 64bit, out of the box. (using nspluginwrapper) Same goes for Acrobat Reader plugin. It was such a joy for me to discover this after the upgrade... This actually closed all the little edges which bothered me for 1.5 years in kubuntu 64bit.
Re: 64-bit linux
Same with me - flash worked out of the box inc. its sound. I don't even remember any special packages that I needed to install for (this doesn't mean that they weren't any but I don't have bad memories of it). Noam Meltzer wrote: On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 64-bit generally works, yes. It's just that the little things in the edges can get annoying at some stage. Did you get Flash to work (I mean - to a level that allows you to view all the Flash-using web sites that you care about)? Flash works in kubuntu 8.04 64bit, out of the box. (using nspluginwrapper) Same goes for Acrobat Reader plugin. It was such a joy for me to discover this after the upgrade... This actually closed all the little edges which bothered me for 1.5 years in kubuntu 64bit.
Re: 64-bit linux
2008/7/5 Noam Meltzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 64-bit generally works, yes. It's just that the little things in the edges can get annoying at some stage. Did you get Flash to work (I mean - to a level that allows you to view all the Flash-using web sites that you care about)? Flash works in kubuntu 8.04 64bit, out of the box. (using nspluginwrapper) :-) Thanks for the update. I wonder whether this has something to do with Kubuntu (vs. Ubuntu/GNOME), or maybe my Ubuntu was tainted from my attempt to stick to Open Source before trying Adobe's plugin. Same goes for Acrobat Reader plugin. Evince is just fine for my needs, even the older version I still have on Debian Etch at work. It was such a joy for me to discover this after the upgrade... I bet :) Cheers, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
