Re: Emacs Hebrew
2009/2/20 Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com There was a complex issue of emacs bidi that I tried to follow back in 2002. The mailing list still up at: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-bidi/ What I remember from the discussion was that fribidi and the Unicode Bidi algorithm were ruled out, because they were considered not to be sufficient for the emacs bidi needs. The discussion eventually reached such a technical complexity that I lost interest. In the end, appearently nothing came out of the effort and the bidi changes never made it into the trunk. It is probably a good idea to restart and try to copy the Gtk or the Qt behavior. Note that BiDi is a lot more than just the application of the algorithm. You also need to take into account things such as: - Cursor movement. - Internal splitting of the visual and the logical positions. - Hit detection for mouse down. - The fact that a continous logical selection may be one, two, or three visual selections. - How to deal with zero width characters. (Is there a view-control-code mode in emacs?). I'd be willing to do the work, if someone else would fund it. I'm leaving my current employment in another few months, and I'm currently looking for large and small jobs. I doubt that we can find serious funding for this issue - emacs is not very fashionable these days and I don't know of any local organization that uses it regularly as a major platform (although you can find Emacsers scattered practically everywhere). However, maybe we can try setting up a bounty, through Hamakor, or maybe even through FSF. Having said that, I am certainly interested in this issue. I use emacs for daily work, but switch to gedit whenever there's Hebrew involved - not very convenient (but managable since work is in English)... If someone else starts working on this, I'll follow closely and maybe give a hand (if I find time). Amit ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
I spent a couple of hours calling Leumi and being transferred from one person to another. Some of them knew nothing about the upgrade. Some said everyone was using the same site. One tried to convince me that Here's the info as published by the bank itself: http://www.leumi.co.il/Leumi/ExternalArticle/1,6069,171561,00.html --y signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Emacs Hebrew
I agree that I don't believe chances are big of finding funding. And even if there was funding I think there are more urgent BiDi issues like fixing bugs in OpenOffice, Gtk, or KDE. So unless I sit at home rolling my thumbs for too long, I'm afraid that I won't have time looking into it. Regards, Dov 2009/2/21 Amit Aronovitch aronovi...@gmail.com 2009/2/20 Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com There was a complex issue of emacs bidi that I tried to follow back in 2002. The mailing list still up at: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-bidi/ What I remember from the discussion was that fribidi and the Unicode Bidi algorithm were ruled out, because they were considered not to be sufficient for the emacs bidi needs. The discussion eventually reached such a technical complexity that I lost interest. In the end, appearently nothing came out of the effort and the bidi changes never made it into the trunk. It is probably a good idea to restart and try to copy the Gtk or the Qt behavior. Note that BiDi is a lot more than just the application of the algorithm. You also need to take into account things such as: - Cursor movement. - Internal splitting of the visual and the logical positions. - Hit detection for mouse down. - The fact that a continous logical selection may be one, two, or three visual selections. - How to deal with zero width characters. (Is there a view-control-code mode in emacs?). I'd be willing to do the work, if someone else would fund it. I'm leaving my current employment in another few months, and I'm currently looking for large and small jobs. I doubt that we can find serious funding for this issue - emacs is not very fashionable these days and I don't know of any local organization that uses it regularly as a major platform (although you can find Emacsers scattered practically everywhere). However, maybe we can try setting up a bounty, through Hamakor, or maybe even through FSF. Having said that, I am certainly interested in this issue. I use emacs for daily work, but switch to gedit whenever there's Hebrew involved - not very convenient (but managable since work is in English)... If someone else starts working on this, I'll follow closely and maybe give a hand (if I find time). Amit ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Emacs Hebrew
On Sunday 22 February 2009, Dov Grobgeld wrote: I agree that I don't believe chances are big of finding funding. And even if there was funding I think there are more urgent BiDi issues like fixing bugs in OpenOffice, Gtk, or KDE. So unless I sit at home rolling my thumbs for too long, I'm afraid that I won't have time looking into it. I guess you are right. Anyway, if you ever get to work on this sometime, call me up, maybe I can join the effort. --y signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
