Re: Linux Friendly Netbook?
Hi Amichai, All the netbooks that are in the market today will work with any modern Linux distribution (Ubuntu 8.X, 9.X, OpenSuSE 10.X and up, Fedora 9 and above, RHEL 5 and above, Debian Lenny, etc) since those netbooks all use the same Intel crappy chipset which has Linux support for few years now. Many of the netbooks do not include Bluetooth, so you might to check the specs, but the bluetooth is supported on the newer Linux distributions. NVidia's latest chipset for nettops (and soon probably some netbooks) - the ION is supporting Linux, although the fancy stuff (HDMI, 3D graphics) will require a binary only driver. Good Luck, Hetz On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 7:47 AM, Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hi all, I am writing to both lists because I think the problem of bouncing mails on the Linux-IL list still persists - at least for me... I want to buy a Linux friendly netbbok, preferably Ubuntu 8.04 friendly. My requirements: Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, comfortable keyboard. I'll use it mainly for on the go Media Player and some basic browsing. I want the Bluetooth support to be able to connect my stereo Bluetooth headset and transfer files via OBEX to my Nokia E71 smart phone. Thanks! .::. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html .::. Steve Martin - quot;I've got to keep breathing. It'll be my worst business mistake if I don't.quot; - http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/steve_martin.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux Friendly Netbook?
On 03.05.2009 Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: All the netbooks that are in the market today will work with any modern Linux distribution (Ubuntu 8.X, 9.X, OpenSuSE 10.X and up, Fedora 9 and above, RHEL 5 and above, Debian Lenny, etc) since those netbooks all use the same Intel crappy chipset which has Linux support for few years now. Making sure you have a crappy Intel chipset is normally a good way to have good Linux support out of the box. However, there are exceptions. Specifically, the GMA-500 currently sucks big-time and unfortunately it is used by Dell Mininote (and maybe others). For some gory details (long URL): http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/30/intel-gma-500-poulsbo-graphics-on- linux-a-precise-and-comprehensive-summary-as-to-why-youre-screwed/ Cheers, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Ignore Your Rights And They'll Go Away ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux Friendly Netbook?
Well, I read the Link you provided, and I suggest you should read the update here: http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/03/19/news-from-the-poulsbo-front/ Basically the driver is being changed to full open source style without binary crap (the binary things were due to licensing issues with PowerVR), and the issue is quite old these days. If someone uses Fedora 10 for example (I do), there's the xorg-x11-drv-vesa-2.2.0-3.fc10.i386.rpm which supports GMA-500 pretty well including correct DDC/EDID of the LCD panel. Red Hat people are quite fast updating the drivers and their build so any new stuff will be back-ported to fedora soon, and I think it will be the same in the Ubuntu scene (although I don't know the ubuntu procedure for updates). GMA-500 is a design under pressure. Intel couldn't get any normal 3D, so they licensed it from PowerVR (don't know why not take from nVidia), and this chip is utterly crappy anyway. The new Intel chip that is coming in the following months is Intel GN40 which should provide some relief to the CPU in terms of H.264 playback as well as MPEG-4 and WMV9. It has been added to kernel 2.6.30. Support for these accelerations on Linux is still unknown (it has to be merged in Xorg and support either XvMC or VA-API in order to work well with true hardware acceleration). GN40 should be phased out by 2H 2010, and it's replacement will be announced this October along with Intel's next generation Atom processor. As I wrote in my blog about Netbook graphics chipsets (http://benhamo.org/wp/?p=1423), soon there will be some netbooks using the ION chipsets with nVidia 9400M which fully supports all it's features under any Linux distribution. Thanks, Hetz On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il wrote: On 03.05.2009 Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: All the netbooks that are in the market today will work with any modern Linux distribution (Ubuntu 8.X, 9.X, OpenSuSE 10.X and up, Fedora 9 and above, RHEL 5 and above, Debian Lenny, etc) since those netbooks all use the same Intel crappy chipset which has Linux support for few years now. Making sure you have a crappy Intel chipset is normally a good way to have good Linux support out of the box. However, there are exceptions. Specifically, the GMA-500 currently sucks big-time and unfortunately it is used by Dell Mininote (and maybe others). For some gory details (long URL): http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/30/intel-gma-500-poulsbo-graphics-on- linux-a-precise-and-comprehensive-summary-as-to-why-youre-screwed/ Cheers, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Ignore Your Rights And They'll Go Away -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux Friendly Netbook?
בSunday 03 May 2009, נכתב על ידי Amichai Rotman: Hi all, I am writing to both lists because I think the problem of bouncing mails on the Linux-IL list still persists - at least for me... I want to buy a Linux friendly netbbok, preferably Ubuntu 8.04 friendly. My requirements: Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, comfortable keyboard. I'll use it mainly for on the go Media Player and some basic browsing. I want the Bluetooth support to be able to connect my stereo Bluetooth headset and transfer files via OBEX to my Nokia E71 smart phone. HP 2133 (1.6GHz VIA CPU, 2GB RAM, 70GB HD) works perfectly, and has a great keyboard. It is running Gentoo here, but I'm sure Ubuntu will give you a similar experience. --y signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Linux Friendly Netbook?
On 04.05.2009 Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Well, I read the Link you provided, and I suggest you should read the update here: http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/03/19/news-from-the-poulsbo-front/ Basically the driver is being changed to full open source style Yeh, I've read it at the time, but note that it is being changed so it's not there yet -- the original poster wanted to buy a product working today. xorg-x11-drv-vesa-2.2.0-3.fc10.i386.rpm which supports GMA-500 pretty Even after this work is done, we will get VESA! No 3D acceleration. So, for the time being, it looks safer to go with the traditional Intel chipsets. As I wrote in my blog about Netbook graphics chipsets (http://benhamo.org/wp/?p=1423), soon there will be some netbooks using the ION chipsets with nVidia 9400M which fully supports all it's features under any Linux distribution. With binary only drivers... no thanks. However, I'm optimistic because the general situation in graphic chipsets is improving rapidly -- Intel works hard to get supported drivers into upstream kernel, and AMD/ATI are keeping their promises so far and add the missing pieces as well. On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Oron Peled o...@actcom.co.il wrote: On 03.05.2009 Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: All the netbooks that are in the market today will work with any modern Linux distribution (Ubuntu 8.X, 9.X, OpenSuSE 10.X and up, Fedora 9 and above, RHEL 5 and above, Debian Lenny, etc) since those netbooks all use the same Intel crappy chipset which has Linux support for few years now. Making sure you have a crappy Intel chipset is normally a good way to have good Linux support out of the box. However, there are exceptions. Specifically, the GMA-500 currently sucks big-time and unfortunately it is used by Dell Mininote (and maybe others). For some gory details (long URL): http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/30/intel-gma-500-poulsbo-graphics-on- linux-a-precise-and-comprehensive-summary-as-to-why-youre-screwed/ Cheers, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Ignore Your Rights And They'll Go Away -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
