Re: Semi-forced upgrade of browser - problematic when it is Iceweasel
Hi Omer, Well, for home use you can use testing instead of stable to get more updated software. In that case, you might want to follow the security team's policy about testing. Firefox/iceweasel 3.6 won't enter unstable in the near future, as this requires an update for xul, which is also used by thunerbird/icedove. The maintainer said he is focused on 3.5.8 for the next stable. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Omer Zak wrote: > Today when I visited http://www.youtube.com/, I was greeted by a message > that my browser will be unsupported soon, and my browser was the current > Iceweasel 3 version from Debian Lenny. > > The earliest Firefox version to be supported is Firefox 3.6. > I quickly browsed http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php (the Debian > Backports), and found that Firefox 3.5.6 was backported to Debian Lenny > as Iceweasel 3.5.6. So I installed it to ease future upgrade to > Iceweasel 3.6 once it is available. > > So now I hope that someone will backport and create Iceweasel 3.6 before > YouTube cuts off all support for non-HTML5-compliant browsers. > Otherwise, I may have to install Firefox 3.6 not as a Debian package. > > --- Omer > P.S.: the upgrade is only semi-forced because YouTube is a Nice To Have > rather than Essential. > > -- > Philip Machanick: "caution: if you write code like this, immediately > after you are fired the person assigned to maintaining your code after > you leave will resign" > My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which > I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Bezek via netvision
On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:21 PM, Alex Shnitman wrote: And reliability probably does depend on the area, but also very much on luck, it appears. I had it working fine here for a year until disconnections started, and then 9 (!!) visits by HOT technicians weren't enough solve the problem. This included replacing all cables down to street level, and replacing the modem, twice. I had to switch to ADSL eventually. When it works, it works, but when it doesn't, may the God of bits & bytes have mercy on your soul... First of all this is Israel. Perfectly working connections fail at the first sign of rain. :-( Second if you have 99% reliabilty that means one day out every two and a half months. Most people have much better reliability, most less than 99.9% (more than 12 hours a year out). Note that if you have two connections, one with BEZEQ and one ISP and the other with HOT and a different ISP it does not guarentee you 100% reliability. I did find out that BEZEQ has a test system. If you change your ISP to 1 @1 and any password, it will open a PPoE link and flood it at maximum speed forever. If the link fails, it's BEZEQ's fault. If it runs clean, it's not, it's your ISP or your PPoE software/ router. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation. i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Bezek via netvision
> > I'm using this service. If your infrastructure (HOT/ADSL) is reliable, it > > works pretty reliably as well. > > > > They give you the AudioCodes MP202 adapter, as someone has already > > mentioned. One thing to note is that they put this adapter in front of your > > PC / router (i.e. it connects to the modem, and the router connects to it), > > and it takes your public IP to itself and performs NAT. They don't give you > > the password for the administrator account on the device so basically you > > lose your public IP, for what it's worth. This is absolutely ludicrous, to > > me. They set it up in DMZ mode so that incoming connections are forwarded > > to your router / PC, but if your internal IP changes for some reason, you > > need to bug them to reconfigure their box. If you have anything at all that > > requires a public IP anyway (dynamic DNS?), you're out of luck. > Not sure I understand how your internal IP can change. You can always ask to > have the MP202 > offer the same IP to the other device. One IP range dhcp. The IP can change for many reasons. But that's not the point. When you buy an Internet connection you expect a public IP, not a NATed IP. Unless you're at an airport. They could at least have provided the user with administrator access to the box that is holding his public IP. > > Another thing is that they set up traffic shaping on this box so that the > > VOIP calls are not affected by heavy traffic, and the speed degradation is > > quite noticeable. > > > > Bottom line, the calls are cheap, but it screws with your Internet > > connection in various ways, and it's basically only as reliable as your > > connection -- and let me tell you that you don't realize how unreliable > > Internet infrastructure is here until you put your phone on it. > If you are running a server on your internet connection you should know how > reliable it is. > Doesn't NV offer a voice mail box as part of their phone service? For me, > both cables and adsl are very reliable. Perhaps the internet reliability > depends on your location. They do offer a voice mailbox, but what does that have to do with reliability? There's nothing more annoying than a phone call cut in the middle. And that can happen even if service is lost for just a few seconds. This is something that you otherwise may never notice, even if you're running a server. And reliability probably does depend on the area, but also very much on luck, it appears. I had it working fine here for a year until disconnections started, and then 9 (!!) visits by HOT technicians weren't enough solve the problem. This included replacing all cables down to street level, and replacing the modem, twice. I had to switch to ADSL eventually. When it works, it works, but when it doesn't, may the God of bits & bytes have mercy on your soul... --Alex ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
RE: OT: Bezek via netvision
> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:21:05 -0800 > From: alext...@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: OT: Bezek via netvision > To: valery_rez...@yahoo.com; linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > > Hi, > > I'm using this service. If your infrastructure (HOT/ADSL) is reliable, it > works pretty reliably as well. > > They give you the AudioCodes MP202 adapter, as someone has already mentioned. > One thing to note is that they put this adapter in front of your PC / router > (i.e. it connects to the modem, and the router connects to it), and it takes > your public IP to itself and performs NAT. They don't give you the password > for the administrator account on the device so basically you lose your public > IP, for what it's worth. This is absolutely ludicrous, to me. They set it up > in DMZ mode so that incoming connections are forwarded to your router / PC, > but if your internal IP changes for some reason, you need to bug them to > reconfigure their box. If you have anything at all that requires a public IP > anyway (dynamic DNS?), you're out of luck. Not sure I understand how your internal IP can change. You can always ask to have the MP202 offer the same IP to the other device. One IP range dhcp. > > Another thing is that they set up traffic shaping on this box so that the > VOIP calls are not affected by heavy traffic, and the speed degradation is > quite noticeable. > > Bottom line, the calls are cheap, but it screws with your Internet connection > in various ways, and it's basically only as reliable as your connection -- > and let me tell you that you don't realize how unreliable Internet > infrastructure is here until you put your phone on it. If you are running a server on your internet connection you should know how reliable it is. Doesn't NV offer a voice mail box as part of their phone service? For me, both cables and adsl are very reliable. Perhaps the internet reliability depends on your location. > > If I were offered this deal now I wouldn't go for it. > I think that with the current QOS of different land lines phone solutions, QOS should be the least important criteria to consider. > > > > - Original Message > From: Valery Reznic > To: linux-il. > Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 5:16:29 PM > Subject: OT: Bezek via netvision > > Hi, list > > Recently Netvision representative contacted me and offered to use > Netvision instead of Bezek as my "phone provider" > > Do you have any experience with them ? > > Regards, > Valery > > > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > > > > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il _ גישה לדואר אלקטרוני ולשירותים נוספים גם בנסיעות. קבל את Windows Live Hotmail בחינם. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Semi-forced upgrade of browser - problematic when it is Iceweasel
Youtube cuts off support for non HTML-5? that will take ages, since IE7 nor IE8 really supports well HTML-5. HTML-5 in Firefox will not be really used since Google encodes video with H.264, not with Ogg. In short, I hardly see Youtube cuts of support for non HTML5 browsers for at least a year, two years. Thanks, Hetz 2010/2/18 Omer Zak > Today when I visited http://www.youtube.com/, I was greeted by a message > that my browser will be unsupported soon, and my browser was the current > Iceweasel 3 version from Debian Lenny. > > The earliest Firefox version to be supported is Firefox 3.6. > I quickly browsed http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php (the Debian > Backports), and found that Firefox 3.5.6 was backported to Debian Lenny > as Iceweasel 3.5.6. So I installed it to ease future upgrade to > Iceweasel 3.6 once it is available. > > So now I hope that someone will backport and create Iceweasel 3.6 before > YouTube cuts off all support for non-HTML5-compliant browsers. > Otherwise, I may have to install Firefox 3.6 not as a Debian package. > > --- Omer > P.S.: the upgrade is only semi-forced because YouTube is a Nice To Have > rather than Essential. > > -- > Philip Machanick: "caution: if you write code like this, immediately > after you are fired the person assigned to maintaining your code after > you leave will resign" > My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ > > My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. > They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which > I may be affiliated in any way. > WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > -- my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org Skype: heunique MSN: hetz-b...@benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Semi-forced upgrade of browser - problematic when it is Iceweasel
Today when I visited http://www.youtube.com/, I was greeted by a message that my browser will be unsupported soon, and my browser was the current Iceweasel 3 version from Debian Lenny. The earliest Firefox version to be supported is Firefox 3.6. I quickly browsed http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php (the Debian Backports), and found that Firefox 3.5.6 was backported to Debian Lenny as Iceweasel 3.5.6. So I installed it to ease future upgrade to Iceweasel 3.6 once it is available. So now I hope that someone will backport and create Iceweasel 3.6 before YouTube cuts off all support for non-HTML5-compliant browsers. Otherwise, I may have to install Firefox 3.6 not as a Debian package. --- Omer P.S.: the upgrade is only semi-forced because YouTube is a Nice To Have rather than Essential. -- Philip Machanick: "caution: if you write code like this, immediately after you are fired the person assigned to maintaining your code after you leave will resign" My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Bezek via netvision
On Feb 18, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Alex Shnitman wrote: I'm using this service. If your infrastructure (HOT/ADSL) is reliable, it works pretty reliably as well. If I were offered this deal now I wouldn't go for it. I've had good luck so far using Spikko (www.spikko.com) for low volume calling. The advantages are: 1. Free incoming number (DID). 2. Low cost for outgoing calls. (subsidized by incoming calls) 2a. You can add as little as (around) 25 NIS at a time. 3. Israeli servers (probably BBL) 4. SIP support (published) and IAX support (not published, but it works). Disadvantages: 1. No outgoing caller id (at least from IAX placed calls) 2. DID is for a cellular number, cost a lot of money to call. :-( 3. Web site is mostly IE only. Without IE you can't get customer support. You can't add money with FireFox. 4. You get the same message if you are EITHER out of money or the line is busy. 5. There is a 10 minute or so wait between registrations, so if you disconnect from a softphone on your computer you have to wait to reconnect via a handheld device. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com New word I coined 12/13/09, "Sub-Wikipedia" adj, describing knowledge or understanding, as in he has a sub-wikipedia understanding of the situation. i.e possessing less facts or information than can be found in the Wikipedia. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OT: Bezek via netvision
Hi, I'm using this service. If your infrastructure (HOT/ADSL) is reliable, it works pretty reliably as well. They give you the AudioCodes MP202 adapter, as someone has already mentioned. One thing to note is that they put this adapter in front of your PC / router (i.e. it connects to the modem, and the router connects to it), and it takes your public IP to itself and performs NAT. They don't give you the password for the administrator account on the device so basically you lose your public IP, for what it's worth. This is absolutely ludicrous, to me. They set it up in DMZ mode so that incoming connections are forwarded to your router / PC, but if your internal IP changes for some reason, you need to bug them to reconfigure their box. If you have anything at all that requires a public IP anyway (dynamic DNS?), you're out of luck. Another thing is that they set up traffic shaping on this box so that the VOIP calls are not affected by heavy traffic, and the speed degradation is quite noticeable. Bottom line, the calls are cheap, but it screws with your Internet connection in various ways, and it's basically only as reliable as your connection -- and let me tell you that you don't realize how unreliable Internet infrastructure is here until you put your phone on it. If I were offered this deal now I wouldn't go for it. --Alex - Original Message From: Valery Reznic To: linux-il. Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 5:16:29 PM Subject: OT: Bezek via netvision Hi, list Recently Netvision representative contacted me and offered to use Netvision instead of Bezek as my "phone provider" Do you have any experience with them ? Regards, Valery ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
