Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Hi, About four years ago I bought a laptop in one of the stores mentioned in the thread. It turned out that it came with a different wireless nic than that which appeared in the official manufacturer link! It came with a wireless nic without 80211n support. And it was not a link to a wrong model. Eventually it turned out that it was a rare error from the manufacturer (They said that the same model name has different ingredients for the middle east and for Europe). And this manufacturer is a big, well known and veteran company.Since this was important to me at that time, I asked to replace it, but the store did not want to negotiate this with the supplier, so I had to negotiate it by myself. So keep in mind that this kind of things also can happen! regards, Rami Rosen http://ramirose.wix.com/ramirosen On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:29 AM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: Note that that is a meta-package that installs the kernel specific package, so you'll need to download at least the kernel specific one and the meta package is good to make sure that after a kernel upgrade you still have the drivers. Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Announcement : http://vim.begin-site.org/ - The Vim Beginners' Site
Hi Jonathan, On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 07:09:11 +0200 (IST) Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il wrote: A commendable effort, Shlomi, thanks. - yba Thanks and you're welcome. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Thu, 27 Dec 2012, Shlomi Fish wrote: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:36:40 +0200 From: Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org To: Linux-IL linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Fw: Announcement : http://vim.begin-site.org/ - The Vim Beginners' Site Begin forwarded message: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 01:30:12 +0200 From: Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org To: vim_...@googlegroups.com Subject: Announcement : http://vim.begin-site.org/ - The Vim Beginners' Site Hi all, I would like to announce that today I started working on http://vim.begin-site.org/ - the Vim Beginners’ Site, which is a static site generated by the Jekyll offline CMS (which I learned today, after finding a post of someone who converted his site from XML+XSLT to it, as I considered using XSLT first). Currently many links are broken and the content is incomplete, but: [SNIP] -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ The Case for File Swapping - http://shlom.in/file-swap C++ supports Object‐Oriented Programming roughly as much as COBOL supports Functional Programming. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
2012/12/27 Rami Rosen rosenr...@gmail.com: Hi, About four years ago I bought a laptop in one of the stores mentioned in the thread. It turned out that it came with a different wireless nic than that which appeared in the official manufacturer link! It came with a wireless nic without 80211n support. And it was not a link to a wrong model. Eventually it turned out that it was a rare error from the manufacturer (They said that the same model name has different ingredients for the middle east and for Europe). And this manufacturer is a big, well known and veteran company.Since this was important to me at that time, I asked to replace it, but the store did not want to negotiate this with the supplier, so I had to negotiate it by myself. So keep in mind that this kind of things also can happen! A bit off topic but: don't the new laws on product return protect you these days? regards, Rami Rosen http://ramirose.wix.com/ramirosen On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:29 AM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: Note that that is a meta-package that installs the kernel specific package, so you'll need to download at least the kernel specific one and the meta package is good to make sure that after a kernel upgrade you still have the drivers. Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Dictation software - Hebrew, Linux or Free
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012, Steve G. wrote about Dictation software - Hebrew, Linux or Free: So, I am looking for a Hebrew dictation software. Preferably Linux, but I can do Windows. Should be free, if possible, or inexpensive. Should work without a long and hard training period, because my accent is probably the Hebrew equivalent of Redneck (I guess in Israel it would be yellow-neck, since the dust has less iron clay). As far as I know, no such free software exists, unfortunately. Though I'd be happy to be proved otherwise. This direction (speech to text) is much easier in Hebrew than the opposite direction (text to speech), so it might be an approachable problem for somebody on this list who reads this. I am not going to hire a typist, nor am I going at this point to take a Hebrew typing course, though if it is run in software I'll consider it, especially if it is free and Linux (I don't want to stop what I am doing to dual boot Windows). All I can say is practice makes perfect. Eventually you'll grasp this Hebrew typing. I thought like you for years, until I had no choice but write a 100 page document in Hebrew - and when I was done, I was typing pretty quickly in Hebrew - not as quickly as English, but quick enough. -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, Dec 27 2012, 14 Tevet 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |If I were two-faced, would I be wearing http://nadav.harel.org.il |this one? Abraham Lincoln ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Dictation software - Hebrew, Linux or Free
I also found that using a keyboard that does not have the Hebrew letter stickers on it has forced me to know the Hebrew layout by heart. 2012/12/27 Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012, Steve G. wrote about Dictation software - Hebrew, Linux or Free: So, I am looking for a Hebrew dictation software. Preferably Linux, but I can do Windows. Should be free, if possible, or inexpensive. Should work without a long and hard training period, because my accent is probably the Hebrew equivalent of Redneck (I guess in Israel it would be yellow-neck, since the dust has less iron clay). As far as I know, no such free software exists, unfortunately. Though I'd be happy to be proved otherwise. This direction (speech to text) is much easier in Hebrew than the opposite direction (text to speech), so it might be an approachable problem for somebody on this list who reads this. I am not going to hire a typist, nor am I going at this point to take a Hebrew typing course, though if it is run in software I'll consider it, especially if it is free and Linux (I don't want to stop what I am doing to dual boot Windows). All I can say is practice makes perfect. Eventually you'll grasp this Hebrew typing. I thought like you for years, until I had no choice but write a 100 page document in Hebrew - and when I was done, I was typing pretty quickly in Hebrew - not as quickly as English, but quick enough. -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, Dec 27 2012, 14 Tevet 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |If I were two-faced, would I be wearing http://nadav.harel.org.il |this one? Abraham Lincoln ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fw: Announcement : http://vim.begin-site.org/ - The Vim Beginners' Site
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012, Shlomi Fish wrote about Fw: Announcement : http://vim.begin-site.org/ - The Vim Beginners' Site: I would like to announce that today I started working on http://vim.begin-site.org/ - the Vim Beginners??? Site, which is a static site I love vi - I've been using it for more than a quarter of a century, and can probably edit with it in my sleep ;-) But I have to ask a sacrilegious question: Is it a good idea to teach vi to beginners? Specifically, when I want to teach my 6 year old daughter an editor (not a word processor - she already plays with OpenOffice on her Linux computer), will it make any sense to for me to teach her vi? When I learned vi, its modal interface (separate insert and command modes) and curses-based display were so much better than its predecessor ed, that I couldn't not love it. But today, beginners would find it more intuitive to use editors which emphasise mouse gestures and menus, and in rare occasion, control sequences. Don't get me wrong - vi (and specifically, vim) is still my favorite editor. I just wonder how I can justify passing on my love for vim to the next generation of beginners. -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, Dec 27 2012, 14 Tevet 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |If the universe is expanding, why can't I http://nadav.harel.org.il |find a parking space? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Rami Rosen wrote: Hi, About four years ago I bought a laptop in one of the stores mentioned in the thread. It turned out that it came with a different wireless nic than that which appeared in the official manufacturer link! It came with a wireless nic without 80211n support. And it was not a link to a wrong model. Eventually it turned out that it was a rare error from the manufacturer (They said that the same model name has different ingredients for the middle east and for Europe). And this manufacturer is a big, well known and veteran company.Since this was important to me at that time, I asked to replace it, but the store did not want to negotiate this with the supplier, so I had to negotiate it by myself. That's not as rare as you would think. 5gHz networking was illegal in the EU (and Israel) at the time and therefore 802.11n devices could not be sold there or here. They still are illegal here, and some manufacturers simply don't sell those devices here (for example the Apple routers), or sell special 802.11n devices without the 5gHz channels. I have a whole bunch of EdiMax routers which are special for Israel and similar locations, they don't have the 5gHz channels, you can't adjust the output power and they have permanently attached antennas.* There was a big controversy over the Apple iPhone 5 as it was the first iOS device with 5gHz networking. At first it was banned from personal import. I don't know if it is legal to import one, but you have to promise not to use the 5gHz and the ones sold here will have it removed, or it's ok to use the 5gHz. Geoff. * You are limited to 100m EIRP (radiated power) here by law, so those high power (200mw) wifi cards or external gain antennas are illegal to use. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Owning a smartphone: Technology's equivalent to learning to play chopsticks on the piano as a child and thinking you're a musician. (sent to me by a friend) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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On Dec 27, 2012 11:54 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: They still are illegal here, and some manufacturers simply don't sell those devices here (for example the Apple routers), or sell special 802.11n devices without the 5gHz channels. Sure they are? http://www.moc.gov.il/sip_storage/FILES/1/1061.pdf -- Shimi * sent from mobile device ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Hardware Database
Hello, It would've been nice to start a website where people could refer to to find out all the practical issues of installing / using FLOSS in Israel: * A hardware DB where they can look up a device by category (i.e. Motherboard) and check the compatibility sorted by distro etc. * A list of Israeli Linux friendly vendors (including vendors outside Israel that are willing to ship their products to Israel hustle free). * Distro specific Installation Guides, pointing out any common pitfalls. Such sites might exist out there in the Net, but none of them are Israeli specific or in Hebrew and don't hold all the a fore mentioned features in one place... Another plus is the fact that the content will be socially contributed - by the users themselves. What do you think? Amichai Rotman Penguin - FLOSS Computer Service and Technical Consulting +972-73-7962360 || +972-54-4605787 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hardware Database
Amichai Rotman wrote on Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 15:05:58 +0200: Hello, It would've been nice to start a website where people could refer to to find out all the practical issues of installing / using FLOSS in Israel: * A hardware DB where they can look up a device by category (i.e. Motherboard) and check the compatibility sorted by distro etc. * A list of Israeli Linux friendly vendors (including vendors outside Israel that are willing to ship their products to Israel hustle free). * Distro specific Installation Guides, pointing out any common pitfalls. Such sites might exist out there in the Net, but none of them are Israeli specific or in Hebrew and don't hold all the a fore mentioned features in one place... Another plus is the fact that the content will be socially contributed - by the users themselves. What do you think? I don't need installation guides, but a hardware/vendor DB I would find useful. Amichai Rotman Penguin - FLOSS Computer Service and Technical Consulting +972-73-7962360 || +972-54-4605787 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hardware Database
Seems like a great idea to me. On 12/27/2012 05:05 AM, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hello, It would've been nice to start a website where people could refer to to find out all the practical issues of installing / using FLOSS in Israel: * A hardware DB where they can look up a device by category (i.e. Motherboard) and check the compatibility sorted by distro etc. * A list of Israeli Linux friendly vendors (including vendors outside Israel that are willing to ship their products to Israel hustle free). * Distro specific Installation Guides, pointing out any common pitfalls. Such sites might exist out there in the Net, but none of them are Israeli specific or in Hebrew and don't hold all the a fore mentioned features in one place... Another plus is the fact that the content will be socially contributed - by the users themselves. What do you think? Amichai Rotman Penguin - FLOSS Computer Service and Technical Consulting +972-73-7962360 || +972-54-4605787 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hardware Database
Call me old fashioned but why start yet another such database instead of contributing to existing efforts? 2012/12/27 Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name: Amichai Rotman wrote on Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 15:05:58 +0200: Hello, It would've been nice to start a website where people could refer to to find out all the practical issues of installing / using FLOSS in Israel: * A hardware DB where they can look up a device by category (i.e. Motherboard) and check the compatibility sorted by distro etc. * A list of Israeli Linux friendly vendors (including vendors outside Israel that are willing to ship their products to Israel hustle free). * Distro specific Installation Guides, pointing out any common pitfalls. Such sites might exist out there in the Net, but none of them are Israeli specific or in Hebrew and don't hold all the a fore mentioned features in one place... Another plus is the fact that the content will be socially contributed - by the users themselves. What do you think? I don't need installation guides, but a hardware/vendor DB I would find useful. Amichai Rotman Penguin - FLOSS Computer Service and Technical Consulting +972-73-7962360 || +972-54-4605787 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hardware Database
E.S. Rosenberg wrote: Call me old fashioned but why start yet another such database instead of contributing to existing efforts? Not only that, but it won't answer the original question. It will tell you that something did not work and when, but it does not tell that something WILL WORK today. The first reason is that it may not be granular enough, e.g. it may list a model but not a revision code or submodel (assuming the manufacturer changes them when they make changes). The second is there is not a single Linux distro that is 100% stable. Even the UBUNTU long term support versions and the RHEL/CENTOS equivalents make Kernel and driver changes. What you end up with is either it did not work, but it might now, or it did work, but it might not now (the later being unlikely, but not imposible), which is pretty close to what we have now with our turbans and crystal balls. That's why I keep around some PCMCIA and USB wifi cards/dongles going back to around 2005, some old ethernet cards and a USB DVD drive. I also have a few modern 802.11N dongles and cellular modems with various chipsets, so I can get some network connectivity. I can install and upgrade a distro with a low res slow display or no mouse, but I can't work without networking. On the other hand, I am still looking for a $10 USB DVB-T tuner dongle with Liunux support. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Owning a smartphone: Technology's equivalent to learning to play chopsticks on the piano as a child and thinking you're a musician. (sent to me by a friend) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hardware Database
On 2012-12-27 15:05, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hello, It would've been nice to start a website where people could refer to to find out all the practical issues of installing / using FLOSS in Israel: As I see it, the problem is maintaining the site, not the initialization of it. Are crowd is small, the world is big, English wise. * A hardware DB where they can look up a device by category (i.e. Motherboard) and check the compatibility sorted by distro etc. Google it, coping vendor specifications to the site is probably, not the idea, and if there are no vendor specifications are are site will have less then the net. * A list of Israeli Linux friendly vendors (including vendors outside Israel that are willing to ship their products to Israel hustle free). There are one and a half Pre-installed Linux PC/Laptops ready for shipment. But, by the time one of us gets an experience of the ordeal, it will not be relevant to another. First two in http://linuxpreloaded.com ie. System76, ZaReason are the famous ones, don't know if and how it gets to IL, but even if I did it would probably not be relevant to the next guys' purchase. How often do we as a community do that? We would be better of just searching "Pre Installed Linux Desktop" contacting one off the sites from http://linuxpreloaded.com. * Distro specific Installation Guides, pointing out any common pitfalls. There are tones of sites for that, sum in Hebrew, which I think is a shame because of the reasons above. Computer installations is English it would be better if all those sites would do only the Hebrew specific sitings problem solving. Such sites might exist out there in the Net, Yep, we have a lot of redundancy, we do not need to duplicate the web. but none of them are Israeli specific or in Hebrew and don't hold all the a fore mentioned features in one place... Face it IT/SYSADMIN is in English. Another plus is the fact that the content will be socially contributed - by the users themselves. That will be nice. What do you think? See in line :-) Amichai Rotman Penguin - FLOSS Computer Service and Technical Consulting +972-73-7962360 || +972-54-4605787 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Announcement : http://vim.begin-site.org/ - The Vim Beginners' Site
Hi Nadav, On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:25:10 +0200 Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012, Shlomi Fish wrote about Fw: Announcement : http://vim.begin-site.org/ - The Vim Beginners' Site: I would like to announce that today I started working on http://vim.begin-site.org/ - the Vim Beginners??? Site, which is a static site I love vi - I've been using it for more than a quarter of a century, and can probably edit with it in my sleep ;-) But I have to ask a sacrilegious question: Is it a good idea to teach vi to beginners? I tend to agree that it may not be a good idea. My Vim Beginners’s Site is intended for *beginners to Vim*, not for beginners to text editing in general. This may be as opposed to http://perl-begin.org/ which also has some focus on Perl as a completely introductory language (whether or not it is very suitable for it is a different question, and much of a lot of debate, but some people needed to learn it without any real programming experience, and some may still do). Anyway, by all means if you can start with an editor such as KDE's Kate, GNOME/Gtk+'s gedit, Notepad++ for Windows, and other editors like that (or almost anything except MS Notepad and pico), then all the power to you. You can learn Vim (or Emacs) later on, when and if you want to. Specifically, when I want to teach my 6 year old daughter an editor (not a word processor - she already plays with OpenOffice on her Linux computer), will it make any sense to for me to teach her vi? When I learned vi, its modal interface (separate insert and command modes) and curses-based display were so much better than its predecessor ed, that I couldn't not love it. But today, beginners would find it more intuitive to use editors which emphasise mouse gestures and menus, and in rare occasion, control sequences. Don't get me wrong - vi (and specifically, vim) is still my favorite editor. I just wonder how I can justify passing on my love for vim to the next generation of beginners. I've met many young users of UNIX-like OSes on IRC and elsewhere who swear by Vim. Not sure it was the first editor they used on Linux/etc. but they use it now and love it. But in this day and age it may require some maturity. That put aside, I don't think Emacs is a good introductory editor either, even though it is also a very good editor (though one I could never get used to). Regards, Shlomi Fish (who remembered that he needs to put up a page with screenshots on the site. Thanks!) -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Free (Creative Commons) Music Downloads, Reviews and more - http://jamendo.com/ But if you're writing [open source software] for the world, you have to listen to your customers — this doesn't change just because they're not paying you in money. — Eric S. Raymond in The Cathedral and the Bazaar Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hardware Database
How about contributing to Hamakor's effort, which is in Hebrew and Israel specific, regarding vendors and services: http://wiki.hamakor.org.il/index.php/%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA%D7%A0%D7%99_%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA Regarding Hebrew installation guides, I agree that Israeli FOSS lovers do not have the workforce to keep it up to date. And when they do, there are so many more important things to do. And fun. On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Amichai Rotman amic...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hello, It would've been nice to start a website where people could refer to to find out all the practical issues of installing / using FLOSS in Israel: * A hardware DB where they can look up a device by category (i.e. Motherboard) and check the compatibility sorted by distro etc. * A list of Israeli Linux friendly vendors (including vendors outside Israel that are willing to ship their products to Israel hustle free). * Distro specific Installation Guides, pointing out any common pitfalls. Such sites might exist out there in the Net, but none of them are Israeli specific or in Hebrew and don't hold all the a fore mentioned features in one place... Another plus is the fact that the content will be socially contributed - by the users themselves. What do you think? Amichai Rotman Penguin - FLOSS Computer Service and Technical Consulting +972-73-7962360 || +972-54-4605787 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda. http://ladypine.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
