Haifux celebrates 15 years this Monday

2014-08-28 Thread Eli Billauer

Hi all,

This Monday, Haifux' two Founding Fathers, Guy Keren and Orr Dunkelman, 
will reflect on the past: Guy will talk about how baby Linux has grown 
since Haifux was founded, and Orr will go on reading from the Book of 
Bad Crypto Decisions.


This is also a nice opportunity for an all-times reunion. :)

See you all,
   Eli

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terminal emulator

2014-08-28 Thread Efraim Flashner
What terminal emulators are out there that correctly do bidirectional
text, for displaying hebrew in a readable manner.  finding one that
displays hebrew, but left to right, isn't hard, but either i'm not
configuring it correctly or I'm not finding one that does it right.

thanks

efraim


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Re: terminal emulator

2014-08-28 Thread Yedidyah Bar David
2014-08-28 15:13 GMT+03:00 Efraim Flashner efraim.flash...@gmail.com:

 What terminal emulators are out there that correctly do bidirectional
 text, for displaying hebrew in a readable manner.  finding one that
 displays hebrew, but left to right, isn't hard, but either i'm not
 configuring it correctly or I'm not finding one that does it right.


I personally use mlterm, and it's good enough for my simple needs.
Generally speaking, there is no correct way, as in according to standard
X,
and AFAIK it's considered these days out of scope for terminals. In that
sense
mlterm is not really following any standard, apart from the unicode bidi
algorithm.
What doens't/can't it do? E.g. correctly handle different parts of a line
that are
unrelated (e.g. if you open mutt and you have Hebrew both in the sender's
name
and in the Subject, it might not display correctly), it has no means to set
the
paragraph direction, etc.
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Re: terminal emulator

2014-08-28 Thread Efraim Flashner
tilda shows up left-to-right with hebrew letters, mlterm shows up
right-to-left with boxes.  All on debian sid.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7048321/tilda.jpg
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7048321/mlterm.jpg


On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:30:33 +0300
Yedidyah Bar David linux...@didi.bardavid.org wrote:

 2014-08-28 15:13 GMT+03:00 Efraim Flashner
 efraim.flash...@gmail.com:
 
  What terminal emulators are out there that correctly do
  bidirectional text, for displaying hebrew in a readable manner.
  finding one that displays hebrew, but left to right, isn't hard,
  but either i'm not configuring it correctly or I'm not finding one
  that does it right.
 
 
 I personally use mlterm, and it's good enough for my simple needs.
 Generally speaking, there is no correct way, as in according to
 standard X,
 and AFAIK it's considered these days out of scope for terminals. In
 that sense
 mlterm is not really following any standard, apart from the unicode
 bidi algorithm.
 What doens't/can't it do? E.g. correctly handle different parts of a
 line that are
 unrelated (e.g. if you open mutt and you have Hebrew both in the
 sender's name
 and in the Subject, it might not display correctly), it has no means
 to set the
 paragraph direction, etc.
  --
 Didi



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Re: terminal emulator

2014-08-28 Thread Yedidyah Bar David
2014-08-28 18:06 GMT+03:00 Efraim Flashner efraim.flash...@gmail.com:

 tilda shows up left-to-right with hebrew letters, mlterm shows up
 right-to-left with boxes.  All on debian sid.
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7048321/tilda.jpg
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7048321/mlterm.jpg


I now verified that konsole also shows hebrew right-to-left.
You should probably configure mlterm (ctrl-rightclick) to use some other
font.

I personally use both xterm and mlterm with a very old raster (pcf) font I
found somewhere a very long time ago, don't remember anymore where, and
tweaked a bit since. I don't mind sharing it, but any modern vector font
will probably look better.
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