Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006, Ez-Aton wrote about Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux: 12 / 2 (=half a dozen) * 20GB (per volume) = 120GB I can't see any resonable priced internet line which supports such online backup. USB IDE disks I do not recommend, for their low performance, and low reliablity. There is a reason why tapes are still the most common backup solution for a certain (and above) amounts of data. When people talk about backup sizes, they often forget to mention the nature of these backups: are we talking about 120 GB of new data every week (say, the logs of a million new transactions), or about the contents of 10 computers of developers, which may total 120 GB but includes a lot of repeated content (such as OS files) and only small parts of the total volume change often? When the entire volume of data is new, indeed online backup will require a lot of bandwidth (with a standard cheap 128kbit adsl/cable connection, you can only upload about 10 GB per week), but perhaps not prohibitive. When not all the data is new every week, this sort of backup becomes very easy. When we're talking about backup up developer workstations, and the remote backup service not only avoids downloading unchanged files, but even avoids downloading identical files from different computers (such as workstation files), this type of remote backup can be made very space efficient and therefore quite cheap. -- Nadav Har'El| Friday, Jan 27 2006, 28 Tevet 5766 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |This space is for sale - inquire inside. http://nadav.harel.org.il | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Folks - We are looking for some backup solutions for a Linux based file server. Up until now we have been burning DVD's, but as the volume of files grows that is becoming a less manageable solution. In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. Ideally we should be able to backup multiple full copies (over time) of a volume (Weekly backup for example), coupled with incremental backups of the volume (Daily backup for example). One option that comes to mind is a dedicated file server, but that means that the backups are not physically removed. On the other hand using removable disks (USB2.0/Firewire) means that we dedicate a significant storage capacity (And cost) to each backup. Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance Yaacov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
How about the following approach: 1. Full back up to DVD's once per 3-6 months. This will be for archival purposes. 2. Between those DVD backups, back up to hard disks. From your data you need to back up about 120GB per full backup (weekly backup). In 6 months (26 weeks), total backup volume is 3120GB. Fits into 8 400GB hard disks (assuming that you do not need RAID for backup disks). Does not seem to me to be that expensive. 3. I do not know how large are your daily incremental backups, but the worst case is 6 days of 120GB each i.e. 720GB - two 400GB hard disks (and in this case, I'd deploy RAIDs so you'll need more than two 400GB hard disks). --- Omer On Wed, 2006-01-25 at 16:33 +0200, Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - We are looking for some backup solutions for a Linux based file server. Up until now we have been burning DVD's, but as the volume of files grows that is becoming a less manageable solution. In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. Ideally we should be able to backup multiple full copies (over time) of a volume (Weekly backup for example), coupled with incremental backups of the volume (Daily backup for example). One option that comes to mind is a dedicated file server, but that means that the backups are not physically removed. On the other hand using removable disks (USB2.0/Firewire) means that we dedicate a significant storage capacity (And cost) to each backup. Ideas anyone? -- Eli Marmor's Law: netiquette forbids people from replying I agree with you to messages in mailing lists, skewing discussions in favor of the troublemaker type of dissenters. My own blog is at http://tddpirate.livejournal.com/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
How about the old method of backup tape? Using LTO2 tape, you can backup enough today (based on your estimation of ~120GB per backup), adn in the future. It's not cheap, but it does the work. Ez Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - We are looking for some backup solutions for a Linux based file server. Up until now we have been burning DVD's, but as the volume of files grows that is becoming a less manageable solution. In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. Ideally we should be able to backup multiple full copies (over time) of a volume (Weekly backup for example), coupled with incremental backups of the volume (Daily backup for example). One option that comes to mind is a dedicated file server, but that means that the backups are not physically removed. On the other hand using removable disks (USB2.0/Firewire) means that we dedicate a significant storage capacity (And cost) to each backup. Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance Yaacov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Hi, You should check out Bacula (http://www.bacula.org/). You get full, differential and incremental backups, media management, backups to files, dvds and tapes, and a database-based automatic managing of what-media-holds-which-file. Regards, Lior Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - We are looking for some backup solutions for a Linux based file server. Up until now we have been burning DVD's, but as the volume of files grows that is becoming a less manageable solution. In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. Ideally we should be able to backup multiple full copies (over time) of a volume (Weekly backup for example), coupled with incremental backups of the volume (Daily backup for example). One option that comes to mind is a dedicated file server, but that means that the backups are not physically removed. On the other hand using removable disks (USB2.0/Firewire) means that we dedicate a significant storage capacity (And cost) to each backup. Ideas anyone? Thanks in advance Yaacov = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. This is not a significant volume of data. Ideally we should be able to backup multiple full copies (over time) of a volume (Weekly backup for example), coupled with incremental backups of the volume (Daily backup for example). One option that comes to mind is a dedicated file server, but that means that the backups are not physically removed. On the other hand using removable disks (USB2.0/Firewire) means that we dedicate a significant storage capacity (And cost) to each backup. Ideas anyone? Well, the way I see it, these are your options: 1. Buy a backup tape. A 200GB uncompressed drive (what is called by the industry a 400GB drive) costs quite a lot (about 2000$), and each tape is not particularily cheap either. I don't know whether smaller tape drives are currently available for buying. Be sure to verify the data you write to the tapes. The last thing you want is to have a disaster, put in a tape, and find out it is corrupt. 2. Use IDE drives inside a USB 2.0 adapter. Buy a few removable IDE adapters and mount one case inside an external USB IDE adapter. This allows you to easilly (no screwdrivers) replace the disks. If your storage volume is as you describe it, fairly small disks should suffice. Store several backups on each drive, and you are not wasting much space. As for verify - it is easier for drives. Most drives support SMART. Unfortunately, in order to run SMART tools on an IDE disk connected via USB (same goes for SATA) you need to patch your kernel. I don't think there is any distribution that ships kernels pre-patched with this patch, but I may be wrong on this one. 3. Use an internet backup service. My company (Lingnu) sells such a service. I know for a fact that we are not the only one (or even the only one in Israel), but I don't know whether any other support Linux. In any case, we do support it, and keep multiple geographically seperated copies of your data (encrypted, of course). We live up to any reasonable DRM standard you would care to name. This also has the added bonus of totally automatic operation (no need to remeber to switch the tapes/hard disks). If remote storage of the backup is a must, I cannot think of a any option other than the above three. If your backup size is really about 20GB, I believe option 2 is clearly superior to option 1 in both price and performance. I cannot recommend between 2 and 3, as I have an obvious interest in the answer. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. This is not a significant volume of data. 12 / 2 (=half a dozen) * 20GB (per volume) = 120GB I can't see any resonable priced internet line which supports such online backup. USB IDE disks I do not recommend, for their low performance, and low reliablity. There is a reason why tapes are still the most common backup solution for a certain (and above) amounts of data. Ez
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other stuff wrote: Folks - In general we are talking about amounts of up to 20Gb per backed up volume with about half a dozen volumes. This is not a significant volume of data. Ideally we should be able to backup multiple full copies (over time) of a volume (Weekly backup for example), coupled with incremental backups of the volume (Daily backup for example). One option that comes to mind is a dedicated file server, but that means that the backups are not physically removed. On the other hand using removable disks (USB2.0/Firewire) means that we dedicate a significant storage capacity (And cost) to each backup. Ideas anyone? Well, the way I see it, these are your options: 1. Buy a backup tape. A 200GB uncompressed drive (what is called by the industry a 400GB drive) costs quite a lot (about 2000$), and each tape is not particularily cheap either. I don't know whether smaller tape drives are currently available for buying. Be sure to verify the data you write to the tapes. The last thing you want is to have a disaster, put in a tape, and find out it is corrupt. 2. Use IDE drives inside a USB 2.0 adapter. Buy a few removable IDE adapters and mount one case inside an external USB IDE adapter. This allows you to easilly (no screwdrivers) replace the disks. If your storage volume is as you describe it, fairly small disks should suffice. Store several backups on each drive, and you are not wasting much space. As for verify - it is easier for drives. Most drives support SMART. Unfortunately, in order to run SMART tools on an IDE disk connected via USB (same goes for SATA) you need to patch your kernel. I don't think there is any distribution that ships kernels pre-patched with this patch, but I may be wrong on this one. 3. Use an internet backup service. My company (Lingnu) sells such a service. I know for a fact that we are not the only one (or even the only one in Israel), but I don't know whether any other support Linux. In any case, we do support it, and keep multiple geographically seperated copies of your data (encrypted, of course). We live up to any reasonable DRM standard you would care to name. This also has the added bonus of totally automatic operation (no need to remeber to switch the tapes/hard disks). If remote storage of the backup is a must, I cannot think of a any option other than the above three. If your backup size is really about 20GB, I believe option 2 is clearly superior to option 1 in both price and performance. I cannot recommend between 2 and 3, as I have an obvious interest in the answer. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 09:35:07PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: 2. Use IDE drives inside a USB 2.0 adapter. Buy a few removable IDE adapters and mount one case inside an external USB IDE adapter. This allows you to easilly (no screwdrivers) replace the disks. If your storage volume is as you describe it, fairly small disks should suffice. Store several backups on each drive, and you are not wasting much space. As for verify - it is easier for drives. Most drives support SMART. Unfortunately, in order to run SMART tools on an IDE disk connected via USB (same goes for SATA) you need to patch your kernel. I don't think there is any distribution that ships kernels pre-patched with this patch, but I may be wrong on this one. Got a URI for the patch? Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Ez-Aton wrote: 12 / 2 (=half a dozen) * 20GB (per volume) = 120GB You are right. I misread the original post. Don't forget that these 120GB will likely only take about 60GB (on average, YMMV, yada yada yada) of actual space on the backup medium, but I agree that it's a bigger monthly cost. I can't see any resonable priced internet line which supports such online backup. Depends on your definition of reasonable. Mostly, it depends on how much is it worth it to you to not have to manually take your data off-site. When we originally started to plan the backup service it was clear to me that people who want to backup 120GB of data are not my intended audience. The reality of things is that I have a lot of interest from precisely such clients. (no actual orders, but a lot of interest). USB IDE disks I do not recommend, for their low performance, and low reliablity. There is a reason why tapes are still the most common backup solution for a certain (and above) amounts of data. I agree that 120GB (as opposed to 20GB, as I thought before) suggest a tape solution. Still, the large up-front cost of the tape drive, coupled with the cost of each tape, make a hard disk solution seem appealing. Ez Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Got a URI for the patch? Cheers, Muli http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/libata/ I got it from the smartmontools home page. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 11:09:22PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/jgarzik/libata/ I got it from the smartmontools home page. That's not a single patch, that's a whole on-going development tree parts of which are included in various kernels. Thanks anyway. Cheers, Muli -- Muli Ben-Yehuda http://www.mulix.org | http://mulix.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 11:08:14PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I agree that 120GB (as opposed to 20GB, as I thought before) suggest a tape solution. Still, the large up-front cost of the tape drive, coupled with the cost of each tape, make a hard disk solution seem appealing. I like a combination of mirroring and other backup. If you make a daily mirror to a spare server in a period of low activity, then you have 24 hours to do the backup. Tape is much nicer than DVD. Single layer DVDs are reasonbly reliable, but 120 gig sure needs a lot of them. Dual layers are better, but the media are not commonly available (you can't run out to office depot if you need a box or two) and Linux support IMHO sucks. You need to make an ISO image of the data before you burn it. This means 3 passes through the data, maybe 4. (1 to mirror it, 2 to ISO it, 3 to burn it, 4 to verify it if you are paranoid). Tape is much better, tape is faster, and single pass only as it reads and parity checks the tape as it is written. Although they are about $50 a tape, DLT 400 (200 gig) tapes work well and are archival. Add in a changer and you can live for a week with no intervention. If it is still available HP had a wonderful backup package. The price varied considerably depending upon whether you had a Windows version or the Unix version. What counted for the price was the operating system the scheduler ran on. Both versions supported Linux clients to back up and do the tape I/O. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 The trouble with being a futurist is that when people get around to believing you, it's too late. We lost. Google 2,000,000:Hams 0. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Ez-Aton wrote: 12 / 2 (=half a dozen) * 20GB (per volume) = 120GB You are right. I misread the original post. Don't forget that these 120GB will likely only take about 60GB (on average, YMMV, yada yada yada) of actual space on the backup medium, but I agree that it's a bigger monthly cost. I can't see any resonable priced internet line which supports such online backup. Depends on your definition of "reasonable". Mostly, it depends on "how much is it worth it to you to not have to manually take your data off-site". When we originally started to plan the backup service it was clear to me that people who want to backup 120GB of data are not my intended audience. The reality of things is that I have a lot of interest from precisely such clients. (no actual orders, but a lot of interest). For large/wealthy enough organizations, such TCP-based-method-of-moving-our-data-to-another-location, either in real-time, or daily, much like a backup (and almost anything in between) is a good method, and it solves almost every problem an organization can encounter. However, for the average place, in the smb category, in Israel, where connectivity prices for broader lines are proposterous, such an option is a nice-to-have-but-probably-too-expensive an option. They will always want to know, and then they will be so sorry they cannot afford the BW, and go for some other solution. USB IDE disks I do not recommend, for their low performance, and low reliablity. There is a reason why tapes are still the most common backup solution for a certain (and above) amounts of data. I agree that 120GB (as opposed to 20GB, as I thought before) suggest a tape solution. Still, the large up-front cost of the tape drive, coupled with the cost of each tape, make a hard disk solution seem appealing. Yes and no. Backup is all probablity. You play the game of chance, and you play it for your optimum amount of money. In a single-disk system, with no backup, there is a probablity of X that the disk might fail. There is much higher probability, Y, that some files will be deleted by accident. You add another disk, into a mirror, and you get X/1.5 that disk failure will kill your data. You add backup to the party, backing up once a week, and you make sure that you'll have a chance of X/10 that you will loose the whole data, Y/2 that some files will be erased beyond restoration, and you now add the Z factor of *how much data is lost*, which gets it all so more complicated. You backup once a day, you hardly change X, you decrease Y to be, maybe (all based on assumptions, for the matter) Y/5, and you change Z to be smaller (on a daily backup, I would expect Z/5, for the say). You add an off-site solution, and you decrease X, hardly any change in Y, and decrease Z, since you can rest assure that if you get to burn your office, you'll still have the data, to some extend. It can (and does) get more complicated, adding other letters into the pool, and it brings you, in the end, to the litte equation of less money, but lesser risk, or how much you'de pay to increase the survivability of your data. It's much like insurance, as you invest money to get better chance to gain something (your data) in case of an accident. After all this blah-blah, it's quite simple. It all depends on the size of investment the person who had the question post is to put into it. Using IDE disks, using custom kernel (if you're one of RH type systems fan) and relying on S.M.A.R.T to predict failure of disks (which happens, but it is rather rare. Usually SMART is as smart as any other prediction. And I'm sad to say I've seen so many SMART disks saying they're fine, with lots of bad sectors, head crushes, and more) has some appeal, as it is rather cheap, although risky (and we're here to decrease risks, right? That's what backup is for). If you backup during the day, you stress your system, so you would preffer to backup during night time, so you'll either have two such modules, or you backup every other night. Moreover, disks are not meant to be moved. They can be moved, but they experiance, even with head locks, etc, shorter life. Much shorter. And quoting you, Shachar - you wouldn't want the data to miss just when you need it. The alternate, more expensive, solution is a proven one. It is scalable - you get to see it in small and large orgs. You see it where industry hate to spend (you never need backup! You only need the ability to restore. Remember that. Your boss hates to pay for backup solutions, but he'll be all over you when data is missing, and you have no way to restore it). You see it where it has proven itself to be cost-effective enough solution to survive there. Alternate servers, disk containers, DVDs, mobile disks - none has been spread as much as backup tapes. Some other soltions are better for a specific custom environments, but most p
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 11:34:29PM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 11:08:14PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I agree that 120GB (as opposed to 20GB, as I thought before) suggest a tape solution. Still, the large up-front cost of the tape drive, coupled with the cost of each tape, make a hard disk solution seem appealing. I like a combination of mirroring and other backup. If you make a daily mirror to a spare server in a period of low activity, then you have 24 hours to do the backup. In addition, if you do use a mirror server, you might as well use something like rsnapshot and get a poor man's snapshots for around 1.5 times the space, depending on your usage patterns. You might also consider backing up not the latest version in rsnapshot but all of them. This way if you decide to archive e.g. one tape per month, and have enough snapshots, you'll also get some of the intermediate versions. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for Backup solutions for Linux
On Wed, 25 Jan 2006, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 11:34:29PM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 11:08:14PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I agree that 120GB (as opposed to 20GB, as I thought before) suggest a tape solution. Still, the large up-front cost of the tape drive, coupled with the cost of each tape, make a hard disk solution seem appealing. I like a combination of mirroring and other backup. If you make a daily mirror to a spare server in a period of low activity, then you have 24 hours to do the backup. In addition, if you do use a mirror server, you might as well use something like rsnapshot and get a poor man's snapshots for around 1.5 times the space, depending on your usage patterns. You might also consider backing up not the latest version in rsnapshot but all of them. This way if you decide to archive e.g. one tape per month, and have enough snapshots, you'll also get some of the intermediate versions. by the way - this may be combined with the use of LVM's snapshots - in case you don't have a long enough backup window. this, ofcourse, requires first migrating all the volumes to LVM. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: Backup Solutions
Gavrie Philipson wrote: Schlomo Schapiro wrote: Hi list, I would like to hear comments about commercial Linux Backup Solutions (for a mixed Linux/Windows network). Today, I found a very nice backup solution that works with Linux. It's called TapeWare (www.tapeware.com). It supports Linux and Microsoft both as servers and clients. You can back up Windows/Linux workstations remotely. It supports autoloaders, etc. In short: it looks like a serious package. They have a 30-day evaluation version for download. [snip] Well guys and gals, Forget about TapeWare. The product NovaNet 8 that Schlomo Shapiro mentioned is the same as TapeWare -- it's an OEM version of it! I found it out by installing both demo versions, and noting they're exactly the same! The only funny this is that NovaNet is *more expensive* (though not significantly) than TapeWare. Anyway, the package is very nice, but it hangs all the time. It uses SysV IPC, and the semaphores hang all the time: Only ipcrm can fix the problem. Stay away from both packages (yes, the bugs are also the same ;-) IMO, a backup solution must be reliable above all, and hanging in the middle of backup doesn't seem reliable to me. This package might be great in its original (Novell, Windows) versions, but the Linux version is obviously not grown up yet. And in case you're wondering -- this problem is mentioned in the bulletin boards on their website, and there's no fix for it yet. Caveat emptor! Gavrie. -- Gavrie Philipson Netmor Applied Modeling Research Ltd. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: Backup Solutions
Schlomo Schapiro wrote: Hi list, I would like to hear comments about commercial Linux Backup Solutions (for a mixed Linux/Windows network). Today, I found a very nice backup solution that works with Linux. It's called TapeWare (www.tapeware.com). It supports Linux and Microsoft both as servers and clients. You can back up Windows/Linux workstations remotely. It supports autoloaders, etc. In short: it looks like a serious package. They have a 30-day evaluation version for download. The Linux version has a very nice Qt-based GUI (and a text-based one too, of course). I tried it, and it works perfectly with my HP SureStore tape changer. And, the price is cheap compared to other commercial solutions. Any comments on it? Anyone who tried/will try it? Gavrie.I -- Gavrie Philipson Netmor Applied Modeling Research Ltd. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: áòðééï: Backup Solutions
netvision wrote:
Hi Schlomo,
I wonder you didn't mention NetWorker product from Legato - www.legato.com ,
that has the biggest installed base Worldwide, as well as above 250
installations
in Israel. The distributer of this product is "MBI, Advanced Computer
solutions"
and we are located at Ramat-Hasharon. You can get and evaluate the product,
free of charge, for 30 days. For any advise and demonstrations, you can
contact
directly me or Mark Friedman, the Technical Support Manager.
As a provider of storage solutions, we sell hardware equipment,
such as tapes and JukeBoxes. Among the companies we represent:
Exabayte ATL.
I agree. Legato is great. Of course, it costs roughly US$50,000 BEFORE hardware
;-).
Avile, darling, thanks for omitting this info ;-).
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Re: áòðééï: Backup Solutions
Henry Ficher wrote:You should also consider ARCserveIT for Linux:
http://www.cai.com/arcserveit/arc_linux_ae.htm
I don't have any experience with the Linux version, but if it's half as
good as the Windows NT or Novell versions, I would go for it.
Don't even THINK of using ArcSERVE for anything more than backing up
/var/spool/lpd.
Only /var/spool/lpd. Current versions of ArcSERVE have a 16M record limit on
the internal
transaction database. This results in roughly a six month backup database
rebuild requirement
on even a mederately busy system.
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Re: RFC: Backup Solutions
Jonathan Ben-Avraham wrote:
I have used Arkeia successfully at a number of sites and unsuccessfully
once with the evaluation version. The problem with Arkeia IMHO is that
when it doesn't work it is very difficult to debug. However *when* it
works it works very well. It's compression and remote backup facilities
are especially good.
That is an understatement. Arkeia barfing usually means total lack of a
possibility
to find out WHY it barfed. And yes, when it works, it works well.
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Re: Backup Solutions
You should also consider ARCservIT for Linux: http://www.cai.com/arcserveit/arc_linux_ae.htm. If it's half as good as the Windows version, I would go for it. Henry - Original Message - From: "Schlomo Schapiro" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Linux-IL Mailing List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 4:23 PM Subject: RFC: Backup Solutions Hi list, I would like to hear comments about commercial Linux Backup Solutions (for a mixed Linux/Windows network). After a quick search of the web I found three main candidates: - Arkeia (by Know) www.arkeia.com - Backup Professional (by Unitrends) www.unitrends.com - NovaNet 8 (by NovaStor) www.network-backup.com BRU falls out because it doesn't seem to have a native Windows client, same for amanda (also amanda is really not user friendly). SMB is the thinkable worst tool to backup open files or the registry (as keys). Important aspects for me: - Reliable (doesn't get stuck by missing clients - User friendly (so that also the non-sysadmin can go and restore some files), meaning having a nice GUI with file and backuped-files browser where you can choose the 5 day old version of your file and click a button and it gets restored. - Easy to install and manage - Easy to migrate to another computer - Native Client support (Win9x, WinNT, Win2K) - Extensive scripting support (run stuff before/after backup, wait with backup if neccessary etc.) I would most of all like to hear from people who actually use(d) or try(d) one or several of the products and can give me a hands-on experience report. Thanks a lot, Schlomo -- Schlomo Schapiro Computation Authority Hebrew University of Jerusalem Tel: ++972 / 2 / 65-84404 Fax: 65-27349 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://shum.cc.huji.ac.il/~schapiro = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: áòðééï: Backup Solutions
Hi, since you mention HUJI I'll comment on it: Legato is the enterprise backup solution for HUJI. I have a SuSE Linux system and when asking for support I got downright negative answers. Finally I managed to install the client and it works well since then, but the client itself as client is very lousy: a conglomerate of text mode programs without any proper help or manuals. Furthermore the client doesn't require ANYTHING RedHat specific so that if they had packed it as tgz with a simple Makefile it would be installable on almost any Linux. So long, Sincerely, Schlomo Schapiro --- email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.schapiro.org On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, netvision wrote: Hi, Logato's home page have been modified lastly and I agree it might be improverd, including more URLs. The focus on Linux just started... Some of the customers that I know about, who are using Linux as NetWorker clients: Hebrew University, Weizmann Institute, Mellanox and lastly Sphera. Thanks, Avi Koski -äåãòä î÷åøéú- îàú: Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] àì: FLiCK [EMAIL PROTECTED] úàøéê: éåí ùðé 24 éåìé 2000 23:09 ðåùà: Re: Backup Solutions On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, netvision wrote: 1. Sitemap - Related links - Current Products - NetWorker for Linux Client 2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide. what happend to good old URLs? 3. In the upper left corner of the home page, use the 'search' option for the word 'linux' and you'll find interesting papers regarding Linux backup solutions. One of them, #39 - "The Linux Challenge Product literature"is very interesting. again, URL? 4. You can also try Linux for Legato Cluster and download it. This is an High Availability product that is running also on Solaris NT. Uppon request I can provide more details and demostrate it. any installed linux sites you can reffer to in Israel? -- Ira Abramov, GNU/Linux advocate. (@- "I think...I think it's in my basement. //\ Let me go upstairs and check." v_/_ - M.C. Escher (1898-1972) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÝØ unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RFC: Backup Solutions
Hi list, I would like to hear comments about commercial Linux Backup Solutions (for a mixed Linux/Windows network). After a quick search of the web I found three main candidates: - Arkeia (by Know) www.arkeia.com - Backup Professional (by Unitrends) www.unitrends.com - NovaNet 8 (by NovaStor) www.network-backup.com BRU falls out because it doesn't seem to have a native Windows client, same for amanda (also amanda is really not user friendly). SMB is the thinkable worst tool to backup open files or the registry (as keys). Important aspects for me: - Reliable (doesn't get stuck by missing clients - User friendly (so that also the non-sysadmin can go and restore some files), meaning having a nice GUI with file and backuped-files browser where you can choose the 5 day old version of your file and click a button and it gets restored. - Easy to install and manage - Easy to migrate to another computer - Native Client support (Win9x, WinNT, Win2K) - Extensive scripting support (run stuff before/after backup, wait with backup if neccessary etc.) I would most of all like to hear from people who actually use(d) or try(d) one or several of the products and can give me a hands-on experience report. Thanks a lot, Schlomo -- Schlomo Schapiro Computation Authority Hebrew University of Jerusalem Tel: ++972 / 2 / 65-84404 Fax: 65-27349 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://shum.cc.huji.ac.il/~schapiro = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
áòðééï: Backup Solutions
Hi Schlomo, I wonder you didn't mention NetWorker product from Legato - www.legato.com , that has the biggest installed base Worldwide, as well as above 250 installations in Israel. The distributer of this product is "MBI, Advanced Computer solutions" and we are located at Ramat-Hasharon. You can get and evaluate the product, free of charge, for 30 days. For any advise and demonstrations, you can contact directly me or Mark Friedman, the Technical Support Manager. As a provider of storage solutions, we sell hardware equipment, such as tapes and JukeBoxes. Among the companies we represent: Exabayte ATL. For 15 years, STORAGE SOLUTIONS IS OUR BUSINESS. Thanks, Avi Koski Software Support Manager email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MBI, Advanced Computer Systems MBI Tel: 03-5409676 Mobile: 054-556710 -äåãòä î÷åøéú- îàú: Schlomo Schapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] àì: Linux-IL Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] úàøéê: éåí ùðé 24 éåìé 2000 16:26 ðåùà: RFC: Backup Solutions Hi list, I would like to hear comments about commercial Linux Backup Solutions (for a mixed Linux/Windows network). After a quick search of the web I found three main candidates: - Arkeia (by Know) www.arkeia.com - Backup Professional (by Unitrends) www.unitrends.com - NovaNet 8 (by NovaStor) www.network-backup.com BRU falls out because it doesn't seem to have a native Windows client, same for amanda (also amanda is really not user friendly). SMB is the thinkable worst tool to backup open files or the registry (as keys). Important aspects for me: - Reliable (doesn't get stuck by missing clients - User friendly (so that also the non-sysadmin can go and restore some files), meaning having a nice GUI with file and backuped-files browser where you can choose the 5 day old version of your file and click a button and it gets restored. - Easy to install and manage - Easy to migrate to another computer - Native Client support (Win9x, WinNT, Win2K) - Extensive scripting support (run stuff before/after backup, wait with backup if neccessary etc.) I would most of all like to hear from people who actually use(d) or try(d) one or several of the products and can give me a hands-on experience report. Thanks a lot, Schlomo -- Schlomo Schapiro Computation Authority Hebrew University of Jerusalem Tel: ++972 / 2 / 65-84404 Fax: 65-27349 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://shum.cc.huji.ac.il/~schapiro = ÝØ unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: : Backup Solutions
n I wonder you didn't mention NetWorker product from Legato - n www.legato.com , that has the biggest installed base Worldwide, as n well as above 250 installations in Israel. The distributer of this Was I looking very bad or Legato solutions doesn't support Linux? At least, Networker has no mention of Linux on site, Celestra neither, same with Replica. Did I miss something on the site? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: áòðééï: Backup Solutions
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, netvision wrote: Hi list, I would like to hear comments about commercial Linux Backup Solutions (for a mixed Linux/Windows network). After a quick search of the web I found three main candidates: - Arkeia (by Know) www.arkeia.com - Backup Professional (by Unitrends) www.unitrends.com - NovaNet 8 (by NovaStor) www.network-backup.com You should also consider ARCserveIT for Linux: http://www.cai.com/arcserveit/arc_linux_ae.htm I don't have any experience with the Linux version, but if it's half as good as the Windows NT or Novell versions, I would go for it. Henry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Yes you missed! From the home page www.legato.com you can do the following: 1. Sitemap - Related links - Current Products - NetWorker for Linux Client 2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide. Version 5.2.1 of NetWorker for Linux Client is bundled in Legato's kit since May 2000. In the Software Compatability Guide the official release (Validated) supports Red Hat 5.2, 6.0 . Un-Officially customers are using Red Hat 6.1, 6.2 as well. For these versions one must use the shared library libncurses.so.3.0 that is bundled with the Red Hat 6.0 distribution CD (ncurses3-1.9.9e-9.i386.rpm). This solution is valid for Mandrake 2.2.14-15 too. 3. In the upper left corner of the home page, use the 'search' option for the word 'linux' and you'll find interesting papers regarding Linux backup solutions. One of them, #39 - "The Linux Challenge Product literature" is very interesting. 4. You can also try Linux for Legato Cluster and download it. This is an High Availability product that is running also on Solaris NT. Uppon request I can provide more details and demostrate it. Hope it helps. Avi Koski -äåãòä î÷åøéú- îàú: Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo [EMAIL PROTECTED] àì: netvision [EMAIL PROTECTED] òåú÷: Schlomo Schapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux-IL Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] úàøéê: éåí ùðé 24 éåìé 2000 19:53 ðåùà: Re: áòðééï: Backup Solutions n I wonder you didn't mention NetWorker product from Legato - n www.legato.com , that has the biggest installed base Worldwide, as n well as above 250 installations in Israel. The distributer of this Was I looking very bad or Legato solutions doesn't support Linux? At least, Networker has no mention of Linux on site, Celestra neither, same with Replica. Did I miss something on the site? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425 /\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÝØ unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup Solutions
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, netvision wrote: 1. Sitemap - Related links - Current Products - NetWorker for Linux Client 2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide. what happend to good old URLs? 3. In the upper left corner of the home page, use the 'search' option for the word 'linux' and you'll find interesting papers regarding Linux backup solutions. One of them, #39 - "The Linux Challenge Product literature" is very interesting. again, URL? 4. You can also try Linux for Legato Cluster and download it. This is an High Availability product that is running also on Solaris NT. Uppon request I can provide more details and demostrate it. any installed linux sites you can reffer to in Israel? -- Ira Abramov, GNU/Linux advocate. (@-"I think...I think it's in my basement. //\Let me go upstairs and check." v_/_- M.C. Escher (1898-1972) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: : : Backup Solutions
n 2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide. Well, not too obvious path... Also, word "client" hints that server on Linux is non-existant? Then, it's not support. It's half-support. If I have Linux server, I want to backup it on Linux, not install another NT server. n the shared library libncurses.so.3.0 that is bundled with the Red Hat n 6.0 n distribution CD (ncurses3-1.9.9e-9.i386.rpm). This solution is valid n for Mandrake 2.2.14-15 too. Oh thank you. So I need to dig somewhere the RH 6.0 distribution just to use your product? Oh thanks again. And what if I had Debian? No, that is not what I call "Linux support". Do you tell your windows clients to go and take some DLL from their Windown 3.11 distribution too? n 3. In the upper left corner of the home page, use the 'search' option for n the word 'linux' and you'll find interesting papers regarding Linux Yes, did that. Got page names like "cluster_home", "prod_lc5", "prod_lc4", "s:c:hpopen:000508". From first five links 4 are non-functional. n backup n solutions. One of them, #39 - "The Linux Challenge Product literature" That means one before the last. No wonder I didn't get to there. n 4. You can also try Linux for Legato Cluster and download it. This is an n High n Availability product that is running also on Solaris NT. Uppon n request n I can provide more details and demostrate it. Erm? You probably meant "Cluster for Linux"? We talked about backup, but anyway - at least one URL would help. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425/\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Legato's official CD is issued every three months, and it includes the versions VALIDATED for that time. As any other software products in a very intensively changing period, until the next release there are temporary solutions, for not validated versions. I hope the next Client Kit release (planned to be released at yhe beginning of August) will include other linux versions, as Debian and others, as well as fixes for previous release. I will provide more info as soon as i get it. Thanks, Avi Koski -äåãòä î÷åøéú- îàú: Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo [EMAIL PROTECTED] àì: netvision [EMAIL PROTECTED] òåú÷: Schlomo Schapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux-IL Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] úàøéê: éåí ùìéùé 25 éåìé 2000 00:03 ðåùà: Re: áòðééï: áòðééï: Backup Solutions n 2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide. Well, not too obvious path... Also, word "client" hints that server on Linux is non-existant? Then, it's not support. It's half-support. If I have Linux server, I want to backup it on Linux, not install another NT server. n the shared library libncurses.so.3.0 that is bundled with the Red Hat n 6.0 n distribution CD (ncurses3-1.9.9e-9.i386.rpm). This solution is valid n for Mandrake 2.2.14-15 too. Oh thank you. So I need to dig somewhere the RH 6.0 distribution just to use your product? Oh thanks again. And what if I had Debian? No, that is not what I call "Linux support". Do you tell your windows clients to go and take some DLL from their Windown 3.11 distribution too? n 3. In the upper left corner of the home page, use the 'search' option for n the word 'linux' and you'll find interesting papers regarding Linux Yes, did that. Got page names like "cluster_home", "prod_lc5", "prod_lc4", "s:c:hpopen:000508". From first five links 4 are non-functional. n backup n solutions. One of them, #39 - "The Linux Challenge Product literature" That means one before the last. No wonder I didn't get to there. n 4. You can also try Linux for Legato Cluster and download it. This is an n High n Availability product that is running also on Solaris NT. Uppon n request n I can provide more details and demostrate it. Erm? You probably meant "Cluster for Linux"? We talked about backup, but anyway - at least one URL would help. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425 /\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 ÝØ unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC for Backup Solutions / Legato Linux
Hi, I feel I should clarify my original posting a little bit in light of the Legato discussion. I (and the others) was asking about a Backup Solution that runs on a *Linux* server !!! Legato does NOT run on Linux (AFAIK). Besides that Legato is quite pricey, too (at least last time I asked). The Linux client of Legato is VERY lousy and actually not fully supported (I was told so by Legato tech support !). The guy who wrote it left the company and was very surprised when I mailed him about the client. If Legato where to take Linux seriously they would not present the Linux community with such a lousy product (which is in faxt a port from another Unix) but rather create a client which runs on any Linux system and is user friendly with a GUI and everything neccessary. The Legato Linux client supports only RH and not Linux in general, this is a big big shame for any serious company not to understand that RH and Linux are not the 100% same and that there are many other Linux distributions that equal RH or are even better. For example, I managed to install the Legato Linux client RPM only by doing a manual install and patching the files into the OS in the right places. In addition to the installation difficulties (the client actually works on all recent Linux systems IMHO) it turns out that it is extremely user-unfriendly: no nice GUI, no manual, no step-by-step instructions ... In short, I couldn't ask somebody who is not a skilled and experienced Legato operator to restore some files (I did point out user friendliness in my original posting !). I think I can claim proficiency in this topic since at one of my jobs we use Legato as enterprise backup solution and I spent enough time dealing with the various shortcomings of Legato, especially on Linux. I can testify that I am very satisfied with it as Backup, but the Linux support is just very very bad and this is why Legato falls out of consideration for any Linux related backup situation. Sincerely, Schlomo Schapiro PS: I am still interested in hearing reports about Linux backup servers ! --- email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.schapiro.org On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, netvision wrote: Hi, Yes you missed! From the home page www.legato.com you can do the following: 1. Sitemap - Related links - Current Products - NetWorker for Linux Client 2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide. Version 5.2.1 of NetWorker for Linux Client is bundled in Legato's kit since May 2000. In the Software Compatability Guide the official release (Validated) supports Red Hat 5.2, 6.0 . Un-Officially customers are using Red Hat 6.1, 6.2 as well. For these versions one must use the shared library libncurses.so.3.0 that is bundled with the Red Hat 6.0 distribution CD (ncurses3-1.9.9e-9.i386.rpm). This solution is valid for Mandrake 2.2.14-15 too. 3. In the upper left corner of the home page, use the 'search' option for the word 'linux' and you'll find interesting papers regarding Linux backup solutions. One of them, #39 - "The Linux Challenge Product literature" is very interesting. 4. You can also try Linux for Legato Cluster and download it. This is an High Availability product that is running also on Solaris NT. Uppon request I can provide more details and demostrate it. Hope it helps. Avi Koski -äåãòä î÷åøéú- îàú: StanislavMalyshev a.k.a Frodo [EMAIL PROTECTED] àì: netvision [EMAIL PROTECTED] òåú÷: Schlomo Schapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux-IL Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] úàøéê: éåí ùðé 24 éåìé 2000 19:53 ðåùà: Re: áòðééï: Backup Solutions n I wonder you didn't mention NetWorker product from Legato - n www.legato.com , that has the biggest installed base Worldwide, as n well as above 250 installations in Israel. The distributer of this Was I looking very bad or Legato solutions doesn't support Linux? At least, Networker has no mention of Linux on site, Celestra neither, same with Replica. Did I miss something on the site? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev /\Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425 /\JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/ whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÿÿ To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÝØ unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RFC: Backup Solutions
I have used Arkeia successfully at a number of sites and unsuccessfully
once with the evaluation version. The problem with Arkeia IMHO is that
when it doesn't work it is very difficult to debug. However *when* it
works it works very well. It's compression and remote backup facilities
are especially good.
Regards,
- yba
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
Hi list,
I would like to hear comments about commercial Linux Backup Solutions (for
a mixed Linux/Windows network).
After a quick search of the web I found three main candidates:
- Arkeia (by Know) www.arkeia.com
- Backup Professional (by Unitrends) www.unitrends.com
- NovaNet 8 (by NovaStor) www.network-backup.com
BRU falls out because it doesn't seem to have a native Windows client,
same for amanda (also amanda is really not user friendly). SMB is the
thinkable worst tool to backup open files or the registry (as keys).
Important aspects for me:
- Reliable (doesn't get stuck by missing clients
- User friendly (so that also the non-sysadmin can go and restore some
files), meaning having a nice GUI with file and backuped-files browser
where you can choose the 5 day old version of your file and click a button
and it gets restored.
- Easy to install and manage
- Easy to migrate to another computer
- Native Client support (Win9x, WinNT, Win2K)
- Extensive scripting support (run stuff before/after backup, wait with
backup if neccessary etc.)
I would most of all like to hear from people who actually use(d) or
try(d) one or several of the products and can give me a hands-on
experience report.
Thanks a lot,
Schlomo
--
Schlomo Schapiro
Computation Authority
Hebrew University of Jerusalem
Tel: ++972 / 2 / 65-84404
Fax: 65-27349
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://shum.cc.huji.ac.il/~schapiro
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áòðééï: Backup Solutions
Hi, Logato's home page have been modified lastly and I agree it might be improverd, including more URLs. The focus on Linux just started... Some of the customers that I know about, who are using Linux as NetWorker clients: Hebrew University, Weizmann Institute, Mellanox and lastly Sphera. Thanks, Avi Koski -äåãòä î÷åøéú- îàú: Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] àì: FLiCK [EMAIL PROTECTED] úàøéê: éåí ùðé 24 éåìé 2000 23:09 ðåùà: Re: Backup Solutions On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, netvision wrote: 1. Sitemap - Related links - Current Products - NetWorker for Linux Client 2. Quick Link - Compatability Guides - Software Compatability Guide. what happend to good old URLs? 3. In the upper left corner of the home page, use the 'search' option for the word 'linux' and you'll find interesting papers regarding Linux backup solutions. One of them, #39 - "The Linux Challenge Product literature" is very interesting. again, URL? 4. You can also try Linux for Legato Cluster and download it. This is an High Availability product that is running also on Solaris NT. Uppon request I can provide more details and demostrate it. any installed linux sites you can reffer to in Israel? -- Ira Abramov, GNU/Linux advocate. (@-"I think...I think it's in my basement. //\Let me go upstairs and check." v_/_- M.C. Escher (1898-1972) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
