Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
> My only neighbor with a wireless network has the poor taste to use WPA. :-) > http://xkcd.com/538/ http://xkcd.com/416/ http://xkcd.com/341/ -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
On Fri, Feb 06, 2009 at 03:12:14PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: Is there a way to combine several "usless at some times and not others" connections to get a better service reliabilty and still not have to go with SIFRANET (fiber optic connection) and BYNET as an ISP? Here's another idea: connect to the neighbor's wireless! My only neighbor with a wireless network has the poor taste to use WPA. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
> Is there a way to combine several "usless at some times and not others" > connections to get a better service reliabilty and still not have to > go with SIFRANET (fiber optic connection) and BYNET as an ISP? > Here's another idea: connect to the neighbor's wireless! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
2009/2/6 Dotan Cohen : > Note that there is the drawback that some websites don't like when > your IP address changes with every request, though! Apparently there > is some American ISP that does this as well, and those users have > problems with the same sites. Yes, "some American ISP" probably refers to AOL, which does all its external connections through huge clusters of HTTP proxies, and each request can arrive through a different IP. Load-balancers relaying on source IP to keep connection persistent (bundle all requests from one client to same real server to save on shared session data migration) would break on that, there are probably other situations (e.g. paranoid financial institutions worried about session hijacking). But if the egress traffic line switching doesn't happen so much and the site he accesses doesn't rely on source IP so much (but more on session identifiers like cookies and url parameters) he might get through - at least better than being completely down with one line. Just a though... --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
Dotan Cohen wrote: Is there a way to combine several "usless at some times and not others" connections to get a better service reliabilty and still not have to go with SIFRANET (fiber optic connection) and BYNET as an ISP? http://www.pfsense.org/ -- Moish ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
> Is there a way to combine several "usless at some times and not others" > connections to get a better service reliabilty and still not have to > go with SIFRANET (fiber optic connection) and BYNET as an ISP? > There exists such a thing, but you need a PC with at least three NIC cards to do it. Grep the Fedora or Debian archives, I remember seeing some posts on that a long time (2-3 years) ago. Note that there is the drawback that some websites don't like when your IP address changes with every request, though! Apparently there is some American ISP that does this as well, and those users have problems with the same sites. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
Unfortunatly I hear to many stories of how HOT is bad. My girl friend has HOT for TV Phone and Internet, the phone is unbearable during half hour of conversation we had two disconnections. She does not use the internet at home so much but also on the internet she has disconnections. -- Ori Idan 2009/2/5 Amichai Rotman > Another personal war story: > > I connected to Hot for phone internet and TV services. > > Had some service disruptions on and off for about a year. > > They sent me all kind of technicians - all the way up to the Sayeret > Menuim... > > It seems the apartment upstairs (rented by students) had a bad RF cable for > an analogue TV in the bedroom, that injected a lot of noise to the whole > building!! > > It took me forever to convince the tech reps over the phone that it is a > problem in the main switch box, but after persisting - it is finally fixed. > > Most customers are unable to launch such a campaign, but it doesn't mean a > particular company is all bad. The problems are localized - no matter which > company you are subscribed to. > > The main problem with all of them is their call centers - it is nearly > impossible to get real service from them... > > Just my bit long 2 cents on the issue. > > .::. > > Amichai Rotman > > UIN#: 6401746 > Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] > Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] > > > > > PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > > > .::. > > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:08, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 04:37:39AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: >> >>> they are all worthless, it mostly depends on what exactly you need from >>> the at >>> the time. >>> >> >> Is there a way to combine several "usless at some times and not others" >> connections to get a better service reliabilty and still not have to >> go with SIFRANET (fiber optic connection) and BYNET as an ISP? >> >> I think it would need a combination of automatic routing based on >> performance, >> so that the connection with the best performance to a site was used. Most >> of >> the time this could be static, but it would have to be dynamic enough to >> handle connection outages and slowdowns. >> >> It might even be enough to monitor a connection and if it fails, reroute >> everything to the other connection and reset it when it came back, but the >> purist in me prefers something dynamic. >> >> It's not even a question of the best performance I can get at any given >> momement from the proper routing, it's more just keeping things going >> when a failure occurs. They used to be short, now they are several hours >> or more. >> >> Geoff, >> >> >> -- >> Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM >> >> ___ >> Linux-il mailing list >> Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il >> http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il >> > > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
Another personal war story: I connected to Hot for phone internet and TV services. Had some service disruptions on and off for about a year. They sent me all kind of technicians - all the way up to the Sayeret Menuim... It seems the apartment upstairs (rented by students) had a bad RF cable for an analogue TV in the bedroom, that injected a lot of noise to the whole building!! It took me forever to convince the tech reps over the phone that it is a problem in the main switch box, but after persisting - it is finally fixed. Most customers are unable to launch such a campaign, but it doesn't mean a particular company is all bad. The problems are localized - no matter which company you are subscribed to. The main problem with all of them is their call centers - it is nearly impossible to get real service from them... Just my bit long 2 cents on the issue. .::. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] Registered Ubuntu User #12851 [http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net] PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html .::. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:08, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 04:37:39AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: > >> they are all worthless, it mostly depends on what exactly you need from >> the at >> the time. >> > > Is there a way to combine several "usless at some times and not others" > connections to get a better service reliabilty and still not have to > go with SIFRANET (fiber optic connection) and BYNET as an ISP? > > I think it would need a combination of automatic routing based on > performance, > so that the connection with the best performance to a site was used. Most > of > the time this could be static, but it would have to be dynamic enough to > handle connection outages and slowdowns. > > It might even be enough to monitor a connection and if it fails, reroute > everything to the other connection and reset it when it came back, but the > purist in me prefers something dynamic. > > It's not even a question of the best performance I can get at any given > momement from the proper routing, it's more just keeping things going > when a failure occurs. They used to be short, now they are several hours > or more. > > Geoff, > > > -- > Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM > > ___ > Linux-il mailing list > Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il > http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 04:37:39AM +0200, Micha Feigin wrote: they are all worthless, it mostly depends on what exactly you need from the at the time. Is there a way to combine several "usless at some times and not others" connections to get a better service reliabilty and still not have to go with SIFRANET (fiber optic connection) and BYNET as an ISP? I think it would need a combination of automatic routing based on performance, so that the connection with the best performance to a site was used. Most of the time this could be static, but it would have to be dynamic enough to handle connection outages and slowdowns. It might even be enough to monitor a connection and if it fails, reroute everything to the other connection and reset it when it came back, but the purist in me prefers something dynamic. It's not even a question of the best performance I can get at any given momement from the proper routing, it's more just keeping things going when a failure occurs. They used to be short, now they are several hours or more. Geoff, -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 03:54:09AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: I just left HOT after four years of suffering their constant outages (I had both internet and VOIP telephone). I went to, of all places, Bezeq and I've discovered that Bezeq has improved in the past few years. It is a few (less than ten) shekles more expensive, but so far the service had been terrific and they even included for me a 4-port wireless router built into the modem. I should also mention that the tech who came to my house has been a Bezeq tech for 14 years. It showed in the way he worked. HOT techs always look like they just graduated from Yossi's Technical Garden and when I ask them, they are usually in the field for less than a year. I understand that HOT is new and growing, but they just don't yet have the experience that Bezeq has. Thanks. When I finally called, a tech tested my modem and told me it was unreachable. The tech put me on hold and came back and told me it was a wide area outage. When it came back, he called me and we went through some diagnostics with my modem which had also become "hosed". Since then (foo,foo,foo), it's working fine. I have the "business class" service because you could not get a decent upload speed without it when I upgraded last. I expect by now you can get better download and upload speeds with the regular service. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel g...@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 03:54:09 +0200 Dotan Cohen wrote: > > Right now I have a HOT modem and Netvision, which when it works... > > > It also happens to be down as I write this and has been for almost 6 hours. > > I just left HOT after four years of suffering their constant outages > (I had both internet and VOIP telephone). I went to, of all places, > Bezeq and I've discovered that Bezeq has improved in the past few > years. It is a few (less than ten) shekles more expensive, but so far > the service had been terrific and they even included for me a 4-port > wireless router built into the modem. > > I should also mention that the tech who came to my house has been a > Bezeq tech for 14 years. It showed in the way he worked. HOT techs > always look like they just graduated from Yossi's Technical Garden and > when I ask them, they are usually in the field for less than a year. I > understand that HOT is new and growing, but they just don't yet have > the experience that Bezeq has. > On the other hand, if you go that way, my neighbour who just went the internet way with bezeq and is over 70 has a terrible experience with them. i spent half an hour to convince the guy over the phone that the fact that the modem disconnects from bezeq every few minutes is not related to the fact that they forced her to connect to it wirelessly for some reason. They also sent half way across Haifa to replace it (not sure if she actually did it yet), when she travels by bus and we actually leave outside Haifa and 1.5km from the nearest bus station ... Hot, although the service quality is a bit shitty sent a tech over to my house about 5 times and replaced the modem at my house twice due to connection problems. they are all worthless, it mostly depends on what exactly you need from the at the time. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
HOT ISP (Was: Orange as a landline ISP)
> Right now I have a HOT modem and Netvision, which when it works... > It also happens to be down as I write this and has been for almost 6 hours. I just left HOT after four years of suffering their constant outages (I had both internet and VOIP telephone). I went to, of all places, Bezeq and I've discovered that Bezeq has improved in the past few years. It is a few (less than ten) shekles more expensive, but so far the service had been terrific and they even included for me a 4-port wireless router built into the modem. I should also mention that the tech who came to my house has been a Bezeq tech for 14 years. It showed in the way he worked. HOT techs always look like they just graduated from Yossi's Technical Garden and when I ask them, they are usually in the field for less than a year. I understand that HOT is new and growing, but they just don't yet have the experience that Bezeq has. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
