Re: [OFF TOPIC] Wiring up home network
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I wasn't clear but I was reffering to the cables ONLY. Putting new cables will be one thing you'd wish not to have to go through yet again, you can still stick the run of the mill 10/100Mbit switches to their end, but one day, not too far in the future (my take - long before 2010), you'll be able to just buy a second-hand multi-Gbit switch disposed off by some NY lawyer's office over eBay and just seat back und watch der blinking lichts (Marc - can you get me the original refference for this great quote?) while your kids have full-screen video conference+multi-player games with family abroad :). I know it might sound futuristic to many (most?) people here but I see it already here. http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/blinkenlights.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ez-Aton wrote: I would second that. Check MPG compression rate, and you'll get the details as to the transfer rate required. 1Gb/s is overkill for home usage, especially when home computers still tend to be limited by the PCI b/w, which enforces a sum of up to 133MB/s for all PCI interfaces. It means that if you copy from a 1Gb/s network (assuming you would get a full 100MB/s), you would write them down to the disk at a speed of 33MB/s total, which is rather slow, comparing to todays transfer rates. Moreover, your sound and USB would stutter at the time of this specific transfer. No need for 1Gb/s at home. Note that 33MByte/s is 264Mbit/s which is much more than 100Mbit/s Ethernet - which means that you can't even serve files over 100Mbit/s at the speed the HD can read/write them. So while 1Gbit/s is indeed an overkill, 100Mbit/s is already an underkill ;-). = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ez-Aton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1Gb/s is overkill for home usage, especially when home computers still tend to be limited by the PCI b/w, which enforces a sum of up to 133MB/s for all PCI interfaces. I am sorry, but this is misleading. PCIe is here, with (pulling from memory, too lazy to check) 2.5Gbps per lane. I think you can have up to 32 lanes (I don't know if 32-lane HW exists today). All the other arguments aside, PCI is not a bottleneck if you are just a bit forward-looking. I doubt that you can go into a neighbourhood computer store today and buy a non-Gbps NIC. It does not make much sense to me to lay less than Gbps cables today, unless - and I haven't checked - the prices are drastically different. I don't see another relevant question discussed here: How about not laying cables at all? Having everything wireless? Pros and cons? Has anyone here done it recently? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 09:29:25AM +, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: I don't see another relevant question discussed here: How about not laying cables at all? Having everything wireless? Pros and cons? Has anyone here done it recently? I have both. There are cons to the wireless side, I'll discuss them because the cons to wired side are well known. 1. Restrictions. In Israel you are limited to channels 4-8 an 100mW RADIATED power. That means if you add a 6db directional antenna, you must reduce your power 6db (to .25%). 2. Interference. The IDF uses the frequencies outside of channels 4-8 and here in Jerusalem, it often overloads the receivers of my WiFi equipment and the network crashes. With some equipment, I can set the firmware to recover in 5-10 seconds, some takes over a minute. 2a. 2.4gHz cordless phones also cause the same problem, except that they actually operate on the same frequencies. My next door neighbor has one. (n.b. DECT phones do not interfere.) 3. Coverage. I live in an apartment with the usual poured concrete, steel reinforced floors. What is unusual is that there is a room under the apartment that we use too. WiFi cannot penetrate the floor. 4. Obstacles. We have a large shelf unit in our living room made of pressed-board (glued wood flakes). It's opaque at 2.4 gHz. Paper and books are the same. 5. Security. WEP is great for making the guy driving down the street looking for a place to upload his SPAM or download his kiddie porn go somewhere else. It won't stop someone who really wants to break in or use your network. (really want is defined as willing to spend a 1/2 hour or less trying). 6. Speed. I have an 11mbps network. Throughput is less than 10m Ethernet and much less than 100m. I do daily backups of my wife's email and hourly rsyncs of mine. On a 100mbps network it's quick, on WiFi it would take too long. My expectations for Max is that in five years, all of the above problems will be overcome. But that will require a total replacement of all equipment. I would recommend running 1gb wire (cat 6) and appropriate sockets at each end. I would not waste my money on 1gb switches (hubs no longer are made) and patch cables. Note: Hubs only connect multiple Ethernet devices to the same bus. Switches receive each packet and retransmit it as necessary. (store and forward) Any hub that claims to allow you to mix 10mbs and 100mbps devices is therefore a switch not a hub as it has to store and forward packets to change their speed. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (077)-424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Support the growing boycott of Google by radio users and hobbyists. It's starting to work, Yahoo has surpassed Google. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Wiring up home network
On 27 Sep 2005 09:29:25 +, Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt that you can go into a neighbourhood computer store today and buy a non-Gbps NIC. It does not make much sense to me to lay less than Gbps cables today, unless - and I haven't checked - the prices are drastically different. To Alexander (the original poster) - Let's make it interesting, shell we? :) Check the price difference between Cat-5 and Cat-6 cables - and I promise to pay you this difference (adjusted to the CPI) if in October 2010 you won't be able to get the necessary Gbit switch required to make Cat-6 cables useful in the same price as an equivalent 100Mbit switch is today, in Israel. How does that sound? I don't see another relevant question discussed here: How about not laying cables at all? Having everything wireless? Pros and cons? Has anyone here done it recently? This question kept poping up in my mind during this discussion but the question was about cabling - taking advantage of prepared tunnels in the house. Investment in cables won't prevent him from using wireless LAN later if he so desires. From what I read on technical forums, wireless LAN is a feasable solution (especially with the proprietary 54x2 bit/sec extension offered by some companies) but still flaky compared to wire-full LAN. Cheers, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:20:56 +0100, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you intend to have the storage in one machine and view a movie on another having 1Gbps network would help. It's not critical but it will help. That is a gross exaggeration. The typical movie is just about 1Mbit/s and even when I had just a 10 Mbit hub, my daughters view movies over my home net without any glitches. Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would second that. Check MPG compression rate, and you'll get the details as to the transfer rate required. 1Gb/s is overkill for home usage, especially when home computers still tend to be limited by the PCI b/w, which enforces a sum of up to 133MB/s for all PCI interfaces. It means that if you copy from a 1Gb/s network (assuming you would get a full 100MB/s), you would write them down to the disk at a speed of 33MB/s total, which is rather slow, comparing to todays transfer rates. Moreover, your sound and USB would stutter at the time of this specific transfer. No need for 1Gb/s at home. Ez Ehud Karni wrote: On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:20:56 +0100, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you intend to have the storage in one machine and view a movie on another having 1Gbps network would help. It's not critical but it will help. That is a gross exaggeration. The typical movie is just about 1Mbit/s and even when I had just a 10 Mbit hub, my daughters view movies over my home net without any glitches. Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /"\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Wiring up home network
On 9/27/05, Ehud Karni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:20:56 +0100, Baruch Even [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you intend to have the storage in one machine and view a movie on another having 1Gbps network would help. It's not critical but it will help. That is a gross exaggeration. The typical movie is just about 1Mbit/s and even when I had just a 10 Mbit hub, my daughters view movies over my home net without any glitches. Great for her (really). First - what else was on the network at that time? What resolution and frame rate was the movie on? Remember that HDTV is practically here with DVD-quality visual and CD-quality audio or even better than these. Second - just to remind you where I startted this discussion - I was recommanding to invest in better cables than the standard grade for today's LAN's because it's going to be a bitch to replace cables in a few years for the better grade and I expect (though can't give concrete numbers) that the savings won't worth the trouble. I haven't suggested that someone will need a Gbit switch at home *today*. Cheers, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 9/23/05, Alexander Indenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,I'm just finishing major shiputz at my home and now it is time torun home network wiring.From topology point of view, one of the rooms is designated asserver/communication room. In the communication room there will be cable connection to the Internet with Unix router/nat server. Allother bedrooms will have Ethernet sockets and wires will run to thepatch panel at the communication room.[PC1] || [PC2] |-- [patch-panel] -- [switch] -- [UNIX router] -- (INTERNET)|[PC3] |At this stage I have got tubes in walls connecting all relevant points. Here are my questions:1. Where do I buy communication gear:a. a lot of unpressed raw Ethernet cableb. pressing equipmentb sockets and patch panel for the communication room c. switch ( this is easy to come by, but vendor/modelrecommendation will be appreciated ) i know you can buy cat 7 wire at poleg ind. area in a storw called uriya. i would buy a cheap 8 port 10/100 switch, it should cost about 100 nis you can replace it if and when you need Gbit in few years (do not think you need Gbit right now) 2. How should I press the cables between sockets in the bedrooms andthe patch panel in the communication room. Straight or cross? Could you describe exact order of the wires? you should connect 8 wires pin-to-pin ( i.e. connect same numbers on both sides) this should be ok for 10,100 and Gbit. this is not crossed for 10 and 100 (afaik, Gbit does not care) note that you can connect only wires 1,2,3,6 if you do not need Gbit. if you need a cross, you can connect a small cross cable from the wall to the device. Thank you for your help,Alexander IndenbaumTo unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] withthe word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the commandecho unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Alexander Indenbaum wrote: I'd like to remind you that modern PC hardware could not utilize 1G bandwidth network - it really can't in most cases :) There is neither enough CPU horse power nor enough memory bandwidth. That is why I doubt that 1G Ethernet technology is ready for deployment as my home backbone. I beg to differ, *modern* hardware can easily handle and fill 1Gpbs networks, For normal LAN connections that wouldn't even need high end hardware, normal machines can handle it quite well and benefit from it. If you intend to have the storage in one machine and view a movie on another having 1Gbps network would help. It's not critical but it will help. The hardware can also handle 1Gbps for WAN connections, but the software implementation is lacking for that. I'm working on that and will have a fix for Linux in a couple of months. But I doubt it will really matter to you :-) If I was doing such an installation now I'd for the 1Gbps network. Baruch = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 9/25/05, Alexander Indenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/24/05, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/23/05, Alexander Indenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/23/05, Maxim Kovgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may consider Gigabit network infrastructure - i.e. buy Cat6 cables. I think for intra-home usage and internet connectivity fast/100mb infrastructure will be sufficient till year 2010 at least :) Which will happen in less than 5 years. Actually, by 2010 I meant the time when humans will visit Jupiter More info at: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086837/ And 10Mbit/sec shared among dozens of X terminals connected to a quad-cpu Sparc servers looked like the peak of technology just 10 years ago, and don't get me startted on what was the international line bandwidth for the entire academic network not long before that. Don't think that just because it sounds rediculous today it's not going to come. I'd side with Maxim's recommandation on this one, especially that I expect that the relative addition to price isn't high(?). Heck - I'd look for the most advanced LAN technology I can afford which will be relevant for the next 10-20 years and put it now. It's mostly a matter of how much will you save if you avoid the best option. I'm not sure that this particular case falls under bigger - better category. I'd like to remind you that modern PC hardware could not utilize 1G bandwidth network - it really can't in most cases :) There is neither Actually it does - just read the news - people don't utilize the full power of their PC's today and nobody knows why they keep buying faster machines. Also see that PC's are not the only game on the LAN - game consoles and Video-over-IP will bring tons of network usage over the next ten years, probably much sooner. (e.g. I see people already today record digital TV on their linux machines with MythTV and then want to play it on their HDTV sets without having to physically move the bits into the set) Saying that I agree that high-end industrial server room or from other hand distributed system/cluster interconnect would benefit from 1G Ethernet. Maybe I wasn't clear but I was reffering to the cables ONLY. Putting new cables will be one thing you'd wish not to have to go through yet again, you can still stick the run of the mill 10/100Mbit switches to their end, but one day, not too far in the future (my take - long before 2010), you'll be able to just buy a second-hand multi-Gbit switch disposed off by some NY lawyer's office over eBay and just seat back und watch der blinking lichts (Marc - can you get me the original refference for this great quote?) while your kids have full-screen video conference+multi-player games with family abroad :). I know it might sound futuristic to many (most?) people here but I see it already here. BTW - do you have enough spare room in your tunnles to add cables later? Hopefully. Just a point to pay attention to... Remember how just a few years ago cellulars that do video-conference (or even just PTT gadgets style Star-Trek) looked like science fiction and now you can't remember when you first saw it in the street, now imagine having to buy a new set of cables and having to re-wire your home in just 4-5 years. And I thought cell phones are for making calls :) Exactly my point, again...:) Cheers, --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Wiring up home network
On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 02:46:07PM +0300, Alexander Indenbaum wrote: Here are my questions: 1. Where do I buy communication gear: a. a lot of unpressed raw Ethernet cable I can only speak for Jerusalem, Kashayoff on King George has wires and sockets. Home Center often has the sockets at a slightly higher price. b. pressing equipment None needed for the sockets. They can be installed using a Krone or compatible tool (avoid the ATT compatibles from the U.S.) but they include a cover which does the same thing. Patch panels require a tool. For a one time job, I can lend you the tool. b. sockets and patch panel for the communication room Don't know. c. switch ( this is easy to come by, but vendor/model recommendation will be appreciated ) I prefer Dynamode and EDIMax. Dynamode is an Israeli company that OEM's stuff but offers local support. EDIMax is a Tiwanese company with a local distributor with good support. Avoid anything sold in the U.S. and imported with a 120 volt power supply. 2. How should I press the cables between sockets in the bedrooms and the patch panel in the communication room. Straight or cross? Could you describe exact order of the wires? Orange wire to Orange slot on the back of the connector. Orange/White to Orange/White and so on. If you wire them properly, which I don't remember offhand, you can use two pairs instead of 4 per socket. From the sockets to the equipment use commercial cables with molded plugs. They are cheap and more reliable than hand made ones. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (077)-424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Support the growing boycott of Google by radio users and hobbyists. It's starting to work, Yahoo has surpassed Google. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think you left out some important detail. If you want us to tell you were to buy you have to tell us where you live. IIRC, in haifa there is leon electronics in simtat gaza, should be in the downtown. They have everything and sell bulk, but also to private individuals. As for a switch, always buy 1-2 more ports than you need. The firm should be reliable and with guarentee, I have changed 3 switches and hubs in 3 years, mostly the small 8 ports with no apparent company. Sometimes, its better to buy cheap and throw when its broken and buy a new one than to buy a good and expensive one. Also, one day its 10mb then next 100 and the next 1gb connections so there is no point in investing in something you are going to replace in a year. If you are laying down the lines, why not invest in 8 gidim cables in advance and you don't need a presser (lohetz) if you are going to use ports. Good Luck. Regards, tzahi. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Indenbaum Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 1:46 PM To: IGLU Subject: [OFF TOPIC] Wiring up home network Hi, I'm just finishing major shiputz at my home and now it is time to run home network wiring. From topology point of view, one of the rooms is designated as server/communication room. In the communication room there will be cable connection to the Internet with Unix router/nat server. All other bedrooms will have Ethernet sockets and wires will run to the patch panel at the communication room. [PC1] | | [PC2] |-- [patch-panel] -- [switch] -- [UNIX router] -- (INTERNET) | [PC3] | At this stage I have got tubes in walls connecting all relevant points. Here are my questions: 1. Where do I buy communication gear: a. a lot of unpressed raw Ethernet cable b. pressing equipment b. sockets and patch panel for the communication room c. switch ( this is easy to come by, but vendor/model recommendation will be appreciated ) 2. How should I press the cables between sockets in the bedrooms and the patch panel in the communication room. Straight or cross? Could you describe exact order of the wires? Thank you for your help, Alexander Indenbaum == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 9/23/05, Maxim Kovgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 02:46:07PM +0300, Alexander Indenbaum wrote: Hi, I'm just finishing major shiputz at my home and now it is time to run home network wiring. From topology point of view, one of the rooms is designated as server/communication room. In the communication room there will be cable connection to the Internet with Unix router/nat server. All other bedrooms will have Ethernet sockets and wires will run to the patch panel at the communication room. You may consider Gigabit network infrastructure - i.e. buy Cat6 cables. I think for intra-home usage and internet connectivity fast/100mb infrastructure will be sufficient till year 2010 at least :) As for pressing - either use the machine in the store or order ready to use cables. As for the cards - make sure the giga card supports linux and jumbo frames. I'm not sure I could press it in the store: I should put wires in the wall tubes, then cut it to needed length and only then I could press it. [PC1] | | [PC2] |-- [patch-panel] -- [switch] -- [UNIX router] -- (INTERNET) | [PC3] | At this stage I have got tubes in walls connecting all relevant points. Here are my questions: 1. Where do I buy communication gear: a. a lot of unpressed raw Ethernet cable b. pressing equipment b. sockets and patch panel for the communication room c. switch ( this is easy to come by, but vendor/model recommendation will be appreciated ) 2. How should I press the cables between sockets in the bedrooms and the patch panel in the communication room. Straight or cross? Could you describe exact order of the wires? Depending on your equipment age, today's cards can work with either. and as for the scheme, lookup with google on ethernet cables howto Google is our best friend. Best regards, Max. Thank you for your help, Alexander Indenbaum To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 9/23/05, Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you left out some important detail. If you want us to tell you were to buy you have to tell us where you live. Sharon area. IIRC, in haifa there is leon electronics in simtat gaza, should be in the downtown. They have everything and sell bulk, but also to private individuals. As for a switch, always buy 1-2 more ports than you need. The firm should be reliable and with guarentee, I have changed 3 switches and hubs in 3 years, mostly the small 8 ports with no apparent company. Sometimes, its better to buy cheap and throw when its broken and buy a new one than to buy a good and expensive one. Also, one day its 10mb then next 100 and the next 1gb connections so there is no point in investing in something you are going to replace in a year. If you are laying down the lines, why not invest in 8 gidim cables in advance and you don't need a presser (lohetz) if you are going to use ports. Good Luck. Regards, tzahi. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Indenbaum Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 1:46 PM To: IGLU Subject: [OFF TOPIC] Wiring up home network Hi, I'm just finishing major shiputz at my home and now it is time to run home network wiring. From topology point of view, one of the rooms is designated as server/communication room. In the communication room there will be cable connection to the Internet with Unix router/nat server. All other bedrooms will have Ethernet sockets and wires will run to the patch panel at the communication room. [PC1] | | [PC2] |-- [patch-panel] -- [switch] -- [UNIX router] -- (INTERNET) | [PC3] | At this stage I have got tubes in walls connecting all relevant points. Here are my questions: 1. Where do I buy communication gear: a. a lot of unpressed raw Ethernet cable b. pressing equipment b. sockets and patch panel for the communication room c. switch ( this is easy to come by, but vendor/model recommendation will be appreciated ) 2. How should I press the cables between sockets in the bedrooms and the patch panel in the communication room. Straight or cross? Could you describe exact order of the wires? Thank you for your help, Alexander Indenbaum == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Sep 23, 2005 at 02:46:07PM +0300, Alexander Indenbaum wrote: Hi, I'm just finishing major shiputz at my home and now it is time to run home network wiring. From topology point of view, one of the rooms is designated as server/communication room. In the communication room there will be cable connection to the Internet with Unix router/nat server. All other bedrooms will have Ethernet sockets and wires will run to the patch panel at the communication room. [PC1] | | [PC2] |-- [patch-panel] -- [switch] -- [UNIX router] -- (INTERNET) | [PC3] | At this stage I have got tubes in walls connecting all relevant points. Here are my questions: 1. Where do I buy communication gear: a. a lot of unpressed raw Ethernet cable b. pressing equipment b. sockets and patch panel for the communication room In Tel-Aviv area, I can recommend argencom. c. switch ( this is easy to come by, but vendor/model recommendation will be appreciated ) I usually buy Edimax, as others said. Cheap, 3 years warranty, good enough. 2. How should I press the cables between sockets in the bedrooms and the patch panel in the communication room. Straight or cross? Could you describe exact order of the wires? Of course google is your friend. If you also like to keep bookmarks, google for the hardware book. -- Didi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Alexander Indenbaum wrote: As for pressing - either use the machine in the store or order ready to use cables. As for the cards - make sure the giga card supports linux and jumbo frames. I'm not sure I could press it in the store: I should put wires in the wall tubes, then cut it to needed length and only then I could press it. You must press them after they are pulled into the conduits. Do not cut the cables to length before pulling, the lengths change and sometimes a cable dies like that. Borrow a cable tester for a day and check everyting. Because the connectors have punchdown terminals which are pressed down by their lid (as someone else said), you do not actually need to press anything, just put on the lid and force it down hard (a monkey wrench helps for pressing, screw it tight on the assembly). The attachment on the patch panel is also non-press as above. Press connections are used only on male cable connectors. The press tool is different from a punchdown tool (which you almost certainly do not need if you take care to buy the kind with the pressdown cover). Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
