Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
So now I use HOT for the infrastructure. I got the 100mbit download 2mbit upload. The line is stable and fast though I understand the quality changes from place to place depending on the local infrastructure. The latency to HOT speed test server is 17ms -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:54 PM, sara fink sara.f...@gmail.com wrote: I also recommended to others CCC as isp, None of them complains. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:36 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/8/2014 4:14 PM, Amichai Rotman wrote: On the same subject: I am using Bezeq as infrastructure @ 15Mb and 014 as the provider at the same speed. Somehow I get a high latency when accessing sites, both in Israel and abroad. How can I check for the exact cause? As a guess, your latency is high because you are NOT paying for a better service package. The cheapest is the gamer's which will cut things down considerably. Last summer I changed my line from 012 with a gamer's package to CCC without. Latency is much lower. IMHO the program which is most affected by latency is BitTorrent. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
On the same subject: I am using Bezeq as infrastructure @ 15Mb and 014 as the provider at the same speed. Somehow I get a high latency when accessing sites, both in Israel and abroad. How can I check for the exact cause? Both Bezeq and 014 say all is OK, but still... I have a Dropbox client always open, but closing it only freed a bit of download speed, and did not affect the latency - at 39-57 according to SpeedTest and 014 SpeedTest sites. Thanks! Amichai 2014-04-07 17:45 GMT+03:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il: The upload was great. True 3M in most reasonable Israeli servers. It was slower to abroad but it its expected. -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:31 PM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.ilwrote: 2014-04-03 15:55 GMT+03:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il: Well, The upload of 3mbit (of bezeq was great for backup and other uploads). Now I have 750k or so :( Was/is the upload truly 3M, as far as I know they promise best effort but rarely reach promised speeds especially in upstream speeds since most customers barely care about it, it more overbooked and lower priority. That said I also like having 1M or more upload when and where possible. The high DL is a big plus when I need to DL updates and big images And also important, the ping is reduced -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il: Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit. Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb. I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net. You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me... -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode. Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
On 4/8/2014 4:14 PM, Amichai Rotman wrote: On the same subject: I am using Bezeq as infrastructure @ 15Mb and 014 as the provider at the same speed. Somehow I get a high latency when accessing sites, both in Israel and abroad. How can I check for the exact cause? As a guess, your latency is high because you are NOT paying for a better service package. The cheapest is the gamer's which will cut things down considerably. Last summer I changed my line from 012 with a gamer's package to CCC without. Latency is much lower. IMHO the program which is most affected by latency is BitTorrent. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
I also recommended to others CCC as isp, None of them complains. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:36 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/8/2014 4:14 PM, Amichai Rotman wrote: On the same subject: I am using Bezeq as infrastructure @ 15Mb and 014 as the provider at the same speed. Somehow I get a high latency when accessing sites, both in Israel and abroad. How can I check for the exact cause? As a guess, your latency is high because you are NOT paying for a better service package. The cheapest is the gamer's which will cut things down considerably. Last summer I changed my line from 012 with a gamer's package to CCC without. Latency is much lower. IMHO the program which is most affected by latency is BitTorrent. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
The upload was great. True 3M in most reasonable Israeli servers. It was slower to abroad but it its expected. -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:31 PM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.ilwrote: 2014-04-03 15:55 GMT+03:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il: Well, The upload of 3mbit (of bezeq was great for backup and other uploads). Now I have 750k or so :( Was/is the upload truly 3M, as far as I know they promise best effort but rarely reach promised speeds especially in upstream speeds since most customers barely care about it, it more overbooked and lower priority. That said I also like having 1M or more upload when and where possible. The high DL is a big plus when I need to DL updates and big images And also important, the ping is reduced -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.ilwrote: 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il: Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit. Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb. I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net. You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me... -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode. Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
Well, The upload of 3mbit (of bezeq was great for backup and other uploads). Now I have 750k or so :( The high DL is a big plus when I need to DL updates and big images And also important, the ping is reduced -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.ilwrote: 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il: Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit. Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb. I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net. You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me... -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode. Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
2014-04-03 15:55 GMT+03:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il: Well, The upload of 3mbit (of bezeq was great for backup and other uploads). Now I have 750k or so :( Was/is the upload truly 3M, as far as I know they promise best effort but rarely reach promised speeds especially in upstream speeds since most customers barely care about it, it more overbooked and lower priority. That said I also like having 1M or more upload when and where possible. The high DL is a big plus when I need to DL updates and big images And also important, the ping is reduced -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.ilwrote: 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il: Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit. Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb. I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net. You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me... -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode. Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit. Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb. I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net. -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode. Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il: Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit. Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb. I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net. You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me... -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il - LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 -- On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode. Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
It depends on what you are doing, I've been running fine with 2mb/s. Gave up on Bezeq when they tried to tell me that I need a faster line when I called them to resolve my ssh terminal (text only) connection is responding poorly. Hot were OK in terms of performance (was also using the 2mb/s line though), but since I was paying only for internet and phone, no TV, fake technicians called me every few months, as well as some visits by thugs, telling me that they can see on the router that I'm also using TV illegally and if I don't upgrade the line they will sue (I kept telling them that it's only slightly more feasible than building a Perpetuum Mobile to detect a passive TV receiver behind the hot band pass and the two phone + internet modems, but it was lost on them). Can't tell you much about higher bandwidth though, sorry. Note thought that it would also depend on your internet provider as well as their settings, not just hot, as the provider is you bottleneck to the actual internet, and they may do traffic shaping or just not buy enough bandwidth abroad. I got horrible speeds to the states though the provider (forget who it was, sorry), while getting very nice performance when using the TAU proxy. On 08-Mar-14 13:50, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il mailto:m...@epoch.co.il: Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit. Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb. I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net. You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me... -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il http://www.epoch.co.il/ - LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 tel:%2B972-54-4848113 -- On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com mailto:geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode. Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il mailto:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
2014-03-08 23:11 GMT+02:00 Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il: It depends on what you are doing, I've been running fine with 2mb/s. Gave up on Bezeq when they tried to tell me that I need a faster line when I called them to resolve my ssh terminal (text only) connection is responding poorly. Hot were OK in terms of performance (was also using the 2mb/s line though), but since I was paying only for internet and phone, no TV, fake technicians called me every few months, as well as some visits by thugs, telling me that they can see on the router that I'm also using TV illegally and if I don't upgrade the line they will sue (I kept telling them that it's only slightly more feasible than building a Perpetuum Mobile to detect a passive TV receiver behind the hot band pass and the two phone + internet modems, but it was lost on them). Can't tell you much about higher bandwidth though, sorry. My sarcasm was lost in the text, I have been working on the Internet for years and though I do enjoy the joys of broadband for fast downloads of updates, movies etc. it blew my mind that anyone would say that anything less then 50mb was not usable for said work. I run SSH sessions in which I tunnel all or parts of my traffic through SSH, run remote X through SSH and other heavy applications and I think all of them would be fine with 5m or more (I have also used 1m in some locations but that was annoying for updates and when they were finally forced to 5m that was very good as far as I was concerned). The only use I can think of for 50m is major down(/up?)loading, netflix in HD etc. so I am still very curious what work usages require 50m download... (for hosting at home 50m up is definitely fun but afaik no-one in Israel offers that for a feasible price). Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו Note thought that it would also depend on your internet provider as well as their settings, not just hot, as the provider is you bottleneck to the actual internet, and they may do traffic shaping or just not buy enough bandwidth abroad. I got horrible speeds to the states though the provider (forget who it was, sorry), while getting very nice performance when using the TAU proxy. On 08-Mar-14 13:50, E.S. Rosenberg wrote: 2014-03-08 12:20 GMT+02:00 Michael Ben-Nes m...@epoch.co.il mailto: m...@epoch.co.il: Oops, seems I missed the replies a bit. Any way. I used to have 50mb but after the storm something got wrong and now Bezeq can supply only 15mb. I checked with peers and it seems the HOT infrastracure in Rosh Pina is excellent. 15mb is by far not enough to any one who work on the net. You are making me really curious what I have been doing wrong for all these years that speeds above 5mb have been fine for me... -- Michael Ben-Nes - Linux Web Environment Expert. http://www.epoch.co.il http://www.epoch.co.il/ - LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelbennes Cellular: +972-54-4848113 tel:%2B972-54-4848113 -- On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:11 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com mailto:geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode. Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il mailto:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed If it's 15 megabit or below, you've probably been upgraded to NGN. NGN uses vDSL equipment which can run (poorly) in aDSL-2 emulation mode. Instead of informing people of the problem, they just wait for them to call and sell them a faster line in vDSL mode with a vDSL modem. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed I forgot to mention that HOT is both an infrastructure provider AND an ISP. You can get one or the other, or both. The fine print on the 100 NIS a month deal advertised in Friday's Yediot was 100megabit download internet, a telephone and cable TV, but it DID NOT INLCUDE THE ISP fees. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:40 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed I forgot to mention that HOT is both an infrastructure provider AND an ISP. You can get one or the other, or both. The fine print on the 100 NIS a month deal advertised in Friday's Yediot was 100megabit download internet, a telephone and cable TV, but it DID NOT INLCUDE THE ISP fees. Also remember that HOT uses co-ax cable and not DSL lines, so they really can't give you any kind of assurances as to upload/download speed. It depends on how man people in your area are connected to the cable and how much they are using the internet at any given time. Plus, they are plain annoying that borders on the illegal. A year ago I was shopping around for internet access and contacted them. After hearing their spiel I told them I was not interested (they were asking more than Bezeq/Bezeq Benleumi and were providing less). They then proceeded to call me back repeatedly, about once every three days for two weeks. This was despite my increasingly insistent and vehement requests for them to stop. Eventually I was able to talk to a supervisor and threatened them with a police complaint that they did not adhere to the new laws for protecting the customer. I've heard stories from friends and relatives who use HOT and are very unsatisfied. Mostly they are not satisfied with the phone service. The line is worse than some mobile connections. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
Veering even further off-topic (sorry) The whole phone-over the internet thing is fairly risky business when you think about it, Bezeq (or for that matter most line providers in most countries) has to by law keep it's lines as available as possible, it provides enough electricity on your phone line to run a phone so that you can (in theory) call emergency services at all times, the moment your phone depends on a VoIP box you switch from a infrastructure to a 90 (and that's optimistic) infrastructure in which outage in general is not as frowned upon. During the storm last month a huge amount of calls came in to emergency services for people who had not been reachable for more then 24 hours because they had HOT or other VoIP services. For cellular I found HOT to be okay, as ISP/infrastructure I never tried them. Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו 2014/1/5 Mord Behar mord...@gmail.com: On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:40 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/5/2014 6:01 PM, Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hi, Seems like I need to replace my unstable ADSL line :( Can any one tip me how good is the Hot cables 100mb service? stability\speed I forgot to mention that HOT is both an infrastructure provider AND an ISP. You can get one or the other, or both. The fine print on the 100 NIS a month deal advertised in Friday's Yediot was 100megabit download internet, a telephone and cable TV, but it DID NOT INLCUDE THE ISP fees. Also remember that HOT uses co-ax cable and not DSL lines, so they really can't give you any kind of assurances as to upload/download speed. It depends on how man people in your area are connected to the cable and how much they are using the internet at any given time. Plus, they are plain annoying that borders on the illegal. A year ago I was shopping around for internet access and contacted them. After hearing their spiel I told them I was not interested (they were asking more than Bezeq/Bezeq Benleumi and were providing less). They then proceeded to call me back repeatedly, about once every three days for two weeks. This was despite my increasingly insistent and vehement requests for them to stop. Eventually I was able to talk to a supervisor and threatened them with a police complaint that they did not adhere to the new laws for protecting the customer. I've heard stories from friends and relatives who use HOT and are very unsatisfied. Mostly they are not satisfied with the phone service. The line is worse than some mobile connections. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Feedback about HOT as an isp
On 1/5/2014 10:06 PM, Mord Behar wrote: Also remember that HOT uses co-ax cable and not DSL lines, so they really can't give you any kind of assurances as to upload/download speed. It depends on how man people in your area are connected to the cable and how much they are using the internet at any given time. That's both untrue and not true. HOT (actually 4 cable companies that merged to become HOT) got into the game so late that there infrastructure is fiber optic cable, not coax. Their fiber optic cable is leased from BEZEQ. They use fiber optic cable to connect to their local distribution point (aka on your block) and then coax to connect to your home. BEZEQ, now that NGN has been deployed throught (most of) the country, uses fiber optic cable to your block and then copper to your home. In some places where there is lots of existing copper wire to switching offices, they run copper all the way to switch for VOICE and overlay vDSL on your block. aDSL is dead here, it has been replaced with vDSL equipment which can run at 15 megabits or below in aDSL-2 compatibility mode, although poorly. Personally I don't know how long that the overlay is going to last, there is more than enough scrap value in the copper wire to make it worth replacing it all with fiber end to end. Since they are primarily a TV service, they use DOCISS to emulate IP. BEZEQ uses ATM and emulates ethernet. Both are switched packet networks, and neither bear any resemblance to IP. As for upload/download speed, BEZEQ and HOT both overcommit their bandwidth. The most BEZEQ will guarantee, is 20mbit download/1.5mbit upload. If you buy a vDSL line with higher bandwith, you are competing with your neighbors. Then of course, your ISP does not have 20megabits per second of incoming or outgoing bandwidth reserved for you. When things get busy, your available bandwidth goes down. You can of course buy real fiber to your home, and get real bandwidth to your ISP, and dedicated bandwidth to anywhere in the world you want to pay for it. It's not cheap. It used to be about $1000/month per megabyte to the US, I hope by now it has gotten cheaper. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson 4X1GM/N3OWJ Jerusalem Israel. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
