Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud
2012/2/26 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com Also, the page with nikud extension for openoffice is down: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/nikud Does anyone know the where I can download up-to-date version of the extension? There's no newer version since tkos stopped working on this. A backup is here: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/openoffice.org/extensions/Nikud-1.0.0.oxt Kaplan ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012, Arie Skliarouk wrote about libreoffice+hebrew nikud: I am concerned on the nikud part, e.g. how well libreoffice supports it. Googling shows rendering issues. The https://bugs.freedesktop.org is down In my experience, the quality of the niqqud rendering directly depends on the font. For example, the free Culmus fonts, notably David and Frank Reuhl, show niqqud very well. Note that Culmus's Frank Reuhl used to have problems rendering niqqud, until the last Culmus release fixed these problems. One problem I do have with niqqud - and maybe other people can suggest a solution - is how to type them. What I usually do is to cut-and-paste words with niqqud from other texts (or an online dictionary). I never figured out how to set up a keyboard mapping or something to conveniently type niqqud. Nadav. -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Feb 26 2012, n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |In Fortran, God is real unless declared http://nadav.harel.org.il |an integer. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud
2012/2/26 Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com: Hi, A friend of mine asked me for a solution to type weekly daf-kesher for his boy's school. His requirements are pretty basic - all interface to be on hebrew, basic text editing, rashi fonts, nikud, way to scan or transfer photos from a camera and embed them into the document. He has no prior experience with computers, so re-learning is not an issue here. Ubuntu with hebrew-enabled intertface and libreoffice so far fit the requirements. So far he has not mentioned responsa or similar, which would stop ubuntu approach in its tracks. I am concerned on the nikud part, e.g. how well libreoffice supports it. Googling shows rendering issues. The https://bugs.freedesktop.org is down at the moment, so I could not perform more detailed analysis. Can someone testify on the level the hebrew nikud is supported in the libreoffice? Also, the page with nikud extension for openoffice is down: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/nikud Does anyone know the where I can download up-to-date version of the extension? I use the Hebrew keymap Lyx to type Nikud. All the nikud are easy to find, Kamatz is on Shift-ק, Patach on Shift-פ, and so forth. Just enable it in the Keyboard settings. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012, Arie Skliarouk wrote about libreoffice+hebrew nikud: I am concerned on the nikud part, e.g. how well libreoffice supports it. Googling shows rendering issues. The https://bugs.freedesktop.org is down In my experience, the quality of the niqqud rendering directly depends on the font. For example, the free Culmus fonts, notably David and Frank Reuhl, show niqqud very well. Note that Culmus's Frank Reuhl used to have problems rendering niqqud, until the last Culmus release fixed these problems. One problem I do have with niqqud - and maybe other people can suggest a solution - is how to type them. What I usually do is to cut-and-paste words with niqqud from other texts (or an online dictionary). I never figured out how to set up a keyboard mapping or something to conveniently type niqqud. The DejaVu fonts also support nikkud pretty well (some nikkudim better than others). My only experience with nikkud was to occasionally insert a single nikkud where necessary, and for that InsertSpecial character was enough (select Basic Hebrew in the Subset pulldown menu). Nadav. -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Feb 26 2012, n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |In Fortran, God is real unless declared http://nadav.harel.org.il |an integer. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:11, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012, Arie Skliarouk wrote about libreoffice+hebrew nikud: I am concerned on the nikud part, e.g. how well libreoffice supports it. Googling shows rendering issues. The https://bugs.freedesktop.org is down In my experience, the quality of the niqqud rendering directly depends on the font. For example, the free Culmus fonts, notably David and Frank Reuhl, show niqqud very well. Note that Culmus's Frank Reuhl used to have problems rendering niqqud, until the last Culmus release fixed these problems. One problem I do have with niqqud - and maybe other people can suggest a solution - is how to type them. What I usually do is to cut-and-paste words with niqqud from other texts (or an online dictionary). I never figured out how to set up a keyboard mapping or something to conveniently type niqqud. Like I said earlier, use the Lyx keyboard layout, not to be confused with the LyX document processor. I use it with LibreOffice with no issues at all. Shall I attach sample documents? -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 05:28:57PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 12:11, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012, Arie Skliarouk wrote about libreoffice+hebrew nikud: I am concerned on the nikud part, e.g. how well libreoffice supports it. Googling shows rendering issues. The https://bugs.freedesktop.org is down In my experience, the quality of the niqqud rendering directly depends on the font. For example, the free Culmus fonts, notably David and Frank Reuhl, show niqqud very well. Note that Culmus's Frank Reuhl used to have problems rendering niqqud, until the last Culmus release fixed these problems. One problem I do have with niqqud - and maybe other people can suggest a solution - is how to type them. What I usually do is to cut-and-paste words with niqqud from other texts (or an online dictionary). I never figured out how to set up a keyboard mapping or something to conveniently type niqqud. Like I said earlier, use the Lyx keyboard layout, not to be confused with the LyX document processor. I use it with LibreOffice with no issues at all. Shall I attach sample documents? ditto. I've been using the lyx layout ever since Tzafrir had incorporated it to xkb (but not very often). They are almost sensible (you cannot ask for more when it comes to Hebrew niqqud)... Dagesh is AltGr-Daleth, Segol is AltGr-Samech. No mnemonics for the Hatafim, I'm afraid. So /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/il comes handy when I need to type them. Dan. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012, Dan Kenigsberg wrote about Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud: ditto. I've been using the lyx layout ever since Tzafrir had incorporated it to xkb (but not very often). They are almost sensible (you cannot ask for more when it comes to Hebrew niqqud)... Dagesh is AltGr-Daleth, Segol is AltGr-Samech. No mnemonics for the Hatafim, I'm afraid. So /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/il comes handy when I need to type them. Very nice! I was able to enable this with the following command: setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll us,il ,lyx (what an ugly command line... Even the weird , isn't redundant... Users of KDE or GNOME probably have a more graphical way of enabling these options). For me (with the above command), the niqqud is actually chosen with the shift (either left or right, it doesn't matter), NOT with the right ALT key. But it is indeed working well. -- Nadav Har'El|Sunday, Feb 26 2012, n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Quotation, n.: The act of repeating http://nadav.harel.org.il |erroneously the words of another. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud
On 27 February 2012 08:39, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: (what an ugly command line... Even the weird , isn't redundant... Users of KDE or GNOME probably have a more graphical way of enabling these options). At least on Debian Wheezy with Gnome 3: Go to System Settings - Region and Language - Layouts (tab) Then + to add the Lyx layout and you can play with the combinations of keys to switch layouts. I haven't done this when I needed nikud for the first time in ages a few weeks ago and instead I turned on the 3rd Level Layout but it's far from being as intuitive as Lyx, from what I see in this thread. --Amos [image: View my profile on LinkedIn] http://www.linkedin.com/in/gliderflyer ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:39:19PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Feb 26, 2012, Dan Kenigsberg wrote about Re: libreoffice+hebrew nikud: ditto. I've been using the lyx layout ever since Tzafrir had incorporated it to xkb (but not very often). They are almost sensible (you cannot ask for more when it comes to Hebrew niqqud)... Dagesh is AltGr-Daleth, Segol is AltGr-Samech. No mnemonics for the Hatafim, I'm afraid. So /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/il comes handy when I need to type them. Very nice! I was able to enable this with the following command: setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll us,il ,lyx (what an ugly command line... Even the weird , isn't redundant... Users of KDE or GNOME probably have a more graphical way of enabling these options). For me (with the above command), the niqqud is actually chosen with the shift (either left or right, it doesn't matter), NOT with the right ALT key. But it is indeed working well. BTW, there is a similar setup for Windows, done by Sivan Toledo: http://www.tau.ac.il/~stoledo/Tools/Keyboards/ The page also has a nice explanation and a map. -- Didi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
