Re: please enlighten me [NB: Off-topic]
On 3/25/06, Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be fair to the US, as far as I understand, this was not about snort at all, but about other products made by the company and used by sensitive agencies of the US government. CheckPoint agreed to certain I keep hearing that CheckPoint Firewall-1 and VPN-1 are also used to protect very sensitive American defense-related network assets. Also lots of other stuff used by the American Governement (parts of the Windows OS, Motorola cell phones, software and complete systems on F-15 fighter planes, and probably tons of other stuff I don't know about or can't remember right now) is developed in Israel so what's the special concern about SourceFire of all things? --Amos To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: please enlighten me [NB: Off-topic]
I think it's the same attitude after 9/11 where they arrested israeli tourists of the street and held them for a lengthy period for no apparent reason. History shows, if you don't know who your real friends are you won't survive as a super power for long. They've got to get their priority straight and stop with the paranoia. If there ever was a country outside the union that identified more with the US, it's israel. If they want to mess it up and isolate themselves completely, that's their problem. Finally, I hope its not bigotry. The US has come a long way, but remember that at the 40s and 50s the US was still mostly racist towards jews, blacks, etc... It was not so long ago. Regards, tzahi. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amos Shapira Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:16 PM To: linux-il@linux.org.il Subject: Re: please enlighten me [NB: Off-topic] On 3/25/06, Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be fair to the US, as far as I understand, this was not about snort at all, but about other products made by the company and used by sensitive agencies of the US government. CheckPoint agreed to certain I keep hearing that CheckPoint Firewall-1 and VPN-1 are also used to protect very sensitive American defense-related network assets. Also lots of other stuff used by the American Governement (parts of the Windows OS, Motorola cell phones, software and complete systems on F-15 fighter planes, and probably tons of other stuff I don't know about or can't remember right now) is developed in Israel so what's the special concern about SourceFire of all things? --Amos == To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please enlighten me [NB: Off-topic]
Oded Arbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This snort business was often compared to the sell of six major U.S. sea ports to a Dubai state-owned firm, which was approved w/o too much considerations. The same department is the one that forbade the Israeli Checkpoint from purchasing SourceFire, all this while the U.S. is in arms against almost all arab countries. Makes you wonder, doesn't it ? Not really. To be fair to the US, as far as I understand, this was not about snort at all, but about other products made by the company and used by sensitive agencies of the US government. CheckPoint agreed to certain restrictions as a part of the deal but that was not enough, so they backed out. And as for DP World, that is not so simple, either. They got into that mess almost accidentally, because they bought a British company called PO that had been running several US port terminals for a long time. DP World bought PO to get their Asian operations, actually, the US part was not the focus. IIRC the port deal was killed by the House Appropriations Committee. It actually stands to reason that the same agency that effectively got a serious slap on the wrist over the ports decided to play it extra safe the next time around. Oh, and while the US is not terribly friendly with some Arab countries these days, I suspect the relations with Dubai (or UAE) are actually quite good. Americans do actually take these things seriously. You may sneer, but I work for an American multinational, and there are detailed rules and regulations and special offices and personnel dealing with the question of what can or cannot be done outside of the US or with involvement of foreigners (not American nationals), even within the same company. This is with or without defense-related sensitivity, just due to commercial export restrictions. They will not just look at how American the company is, but who the particular people involved are. I know of cases where very senior people central to a huge project were denied entry to client facilities (where the product they were developing was being installed) because they were not American citizens. By the way, if you suspect that these export restrictions are somehow anti-Israeli, consider this: a part of these restrictions is an absolute prohibition to do any business with any party that supports boycott of Israel. It is the law. The law, of course, says boycott in general, but there is an immediate explicit comment that the primary concern is the boycott of Israel by Arab or other countries. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please enlighten me [NB: Off-topic]
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: To be fair to the US, as far as I understand, this was not about snort at all, but about other products made by the company and used by sensitive agencies of the US government. Well, that's not what every single quote I've seen to date states. It states that their concern was over the fact that a lot of sensitive agencies use *SNORT*. This has nothing to do with the question of whether Check Point is Israeli or Arab, or whether it is government owned or not. As far as I can see it, it is Al-Quedia that could make the buy offer, and the US government should not have had any reason to object. This is what Open Source is all about. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up today's work? http://www.lingnu.com/backup.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
