Re: [Linux-cluster] Re: [PATCH 00/14] GFS
On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 12:11:10PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 01:09:17PM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: > > So for every directoy hiearchy on a shared filesystem, each user needs > > to have the complete list of bindmounts needed, and automatically resync > > that across all nodes when a new one is added or removed? And then have > > that executed by root, because a regular user can't? > > Do it in an initscripts and let users simply not do it, they shouldn't > even know what kind of filesystem they are on. I'm just thinking of a 100-node cluster that has different mounts on different nodes, and trying to update the bind mounts in a sane and efficient manner without clobbering the various mount setups. Ouch. -- AJ Lewis Voice: 612-638-0500 Red HatE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One Main Street SE, Suite 209 Minneapolis, MN 55414 Current GPG fingerprint = D9F8 EDCE 4242 855F A03D 9B63 F50C 54A8 578C 8715 Grab the key at: http://people.redhat.com/alewis/gpg.html or one of the many keyservers out there... pgpsGmjTnZdeF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Linux-cluster] Re: [PATCH 00/14] GFS
On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 12:11:10PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote: On Wed, Aug 10, 2005 at 01:09:17PM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote: So for every directoy hiearchy on a shared filesystem, each user needs to have the complete list of bindmounts needed, and automatically resync that across all nodes when a new one is added or removed? And then have that executed by root, because a regular user can't? Do it in an initscripts and let users simply not do it, they shouldn't even know what kind of filesystem they are on. I'm just thinking of a 100-node cluster that has different mounts on different nodes, and trying to update the bind mounts in a sane and efficient manner without clobbering the various mount setups. Ouch. -- AJ Lewis Voice: 612-638-0500 Red HatE-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] One Main Street SE, Suite 209 Minneapolis, MN 55414 Current GPG fingerprint = D9F8 EDCE 4242 855F A03D 9B63 F50C 54A8 578C 8715 Grab the key at: http://people.redhat.com/alewis/gpg.html or one of the many keyservers out there... pgpsGmjTnZdeF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: devfs and /proc/ide/hda
On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:32:03PM +0100, Goswin Brederlow wrote: > > What it should do is change based on whether devfs is mounted > > or not. It doesn't make *any* sense to have > > /dev/ide/host0/foo/bar in your /proc/partitions entries if you > > aren't mounting devfs. The /proc/partitions entry is the only > > way I know of for something like LVM to determine which devices > > to scan for Volume Groups. If you can't read /proc/partitions, > > it has to attempt to scan all block devices it recognizes, > > regardless of whether they are actually on the system or not. > > This can take several minutes. > > First: > > % cat /proc/partitions > major minor #blocks name > >3 0 20010816 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc >3 1 192748 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 >3 2 249007 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 >3 3 1 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 >3 5 289138 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 >3 61951866 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 >3 7 979933 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7 >3 8 16346106 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8 > 33 0 80043264 ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc > 33 1 80035798 ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 > > So its already right. Only if devfs is mounted. That's my point. Maybe it's an corner case to have devfs compiled into the kernel, but not mounted, and so we can just ignore this, but it seems to me that /proc/partitions should reflect which /dev system is currently running. > Secondly with devfs, why not just scan all /dev/discs/? > > % ls -l /dev/discs > total 0 > lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 30 Jan 1 1970 disc0 -> >../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ > lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 30 Jan 1 1970 disc1 -> >../ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/ > > Also if lvm opens all known devices by way of /dev/whatever while > scanning, it will only find existing devices there with devfs. Yeah, as long as devfs is running, that makes sense. -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without bricks tied to its head. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: devfs and /proc/ide/hda
On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:32:03PM +0100, Goswin Brederlow wrote: What it should do is change based on whether devfs is mounted or not. It doesn't make *any* sense to have /dev/ide/host0/foo/bar in your /proc/partitions entries if you aren't mounting devfs. The /proc/partitions entry is the only way I know of for something like LVM to determine which devices to scan for Volume Groups. If you can't read /proc/partitions, it has to attempt to scan all block devices it recognizes, regardless of whether they are actually on the system or not. This can take several minutes. First: % cat /proc/partitions major minor #blocks name 3 0 20010816 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc 3 1 192748 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 3 2 249007 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 3 3 1 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 3 5 289138 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 3 61951866 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 3 7 979933 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7 3 8 16346106 ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8 33 0 80043264 ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc 33 1 80035798 ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 So its already right. Only if devfs is mounted. That's my point. Maybe it's an corner case to have devfs compiled into the kernel, but not mounted, and so we can just ignore this, but it seems to me that /proc/partitions should reflect which /dev system is currently running. Secondly with devfs, why not just scan all /dev/discs/? % ls -l /dev/discs total 0 lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 30 Jan 1 1970 disc0 - ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/ lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 30 Jan 1 1970 disc1 - ../ide/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/ Also if lvm opens all known devices by way of /dev/whatever while scanning, it will only find existing devices there with devfs. Yeah, as long as devfs is running, that makes sense. -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without bricks tied to its head. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:09:32PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > AJ Lewis wrote: > > Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything > > that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It > > would be stupid to just add everything that comes in on the ML without > > review. Linus does the exact same thing. I've said this before to you > > Andreas, but apparently you feel that you should have final say on whether > > your patches go in or not. > > > As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches > > to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe > > someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. > > Read Documentation/SubmittingPatches, and also listen to kernel hackers > who know the block layer and want to fix lvm. > > And I wonder, if kernel hackers are saying lvm is broken... why do you > want to freeze it and ship it in that state? Hmm...perhaps I didn't make myself clear. AFAIK Heinz is not putting cosmetic changes into the CVS. The team should be putting fixes in. If they aren't it's because they are dealing with backlog. As far as the smaller patches go. I know. We're working on it; really we are. Regards, -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman. - Groundskeeper Willie -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:45:20PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: > I don't think that the subscription is necessarily the only issue. I'm > subscribed to all of the LVM mailing lists, and still a lot of what I > submit (legitimate bug fixes, and not just features/code cleanup) does > not get added to CVS. Yes, the no-possible-harm patches like man pages > went in, but not other stuff. Also, it doesn't appear that any of the > LVM changes are making it into the stock kernel, which is basically a > recepie for disaster. Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It would be stupid to just add everything that comes in on the ML without review. Linus does the exact same thing. I've said this before to you Andreas, but apparently you feel that you should have final say on whether your patches go in or not. As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. > Basically, I'm at the point where trying to create clean patches from my > LVM source tree to apply to CVS is so much work it is hardly worth it. > I'm seriously looking at devoting the time I used to spend on LVM to the > EVMS project instead. They (appear to) have in-kernel LVM support working > already, so no user tools needed for VG/LV activation. Granted, they don't > yet have tools to create/modify VG/LVs, but I think I can help them there. > It appears more likely that EVMS will only support Linux LVM volumes for > compatibility, and move to a more robust on-disk format for metadata. > > The openlvm list may change my mind, I'll see. > > Cheers, Andreas > -- > Andreas Dilger \ "If a man ate a pound of pasta and a pound of antipasto, > \ would they cancel out, leaving him still hungry?" > http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/ -- Dogbert > ___ > linux-lvm mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Carpe Aptenodytes! (Seize the Penguins!) -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
The list is now open. I've talked to our admin and he's opening it up. Send me e-mail if it doesn't work, 'cause something else is broken. All it would have taken was a request and a good reason for doing so, but I guess this is one way to do it. Just don't complain about spam. :) Regards, AJ Lewis On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:29:27PM -0500, AJ Lewis wrote: > It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature > manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't > bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine > their work." is not acceptable. It would have been nice if you'd actually > tried to work this out instead of handling it this way. > > Regards, > AJ Lewis > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 07:51:52PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: > > Hi > > > > I would like to announce the creation of the openlvm mailing list for > > discussion about maintenance and further development of the Linux > > Logical Volume Manager (LVM). > > > > The new mailing list is named linux-openlvm and hosted at > > nl.linux.org, you can subscribe to the list by posting to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and postings should go to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] The list is unmoderated and open to > > postings from individuals who are not subscribed to the list as it is > > good practice for all open development lists. > > > > We have found it necessary to create the new list as the current LVM > > development proces is closed and does not take input from the > > community. We have experienced numerous incidents of postings to the > > old mailing list with patches, on topic questions and comments about > > the LVM code that have been rejected by the list moderator. We find > > this completely unacceptable just as it is hindering development that > > a development mailing list is being so mismoderated. > > > > Please welcome the new list and join in on the development and > > discussions. > > > > Sincerly, > > Jens Axboe > > Arjan van de Ven > > Martin Petersen > > Rik van Riel > > Jes Sorensen > > - > > Linux-openlvm: open list for LVM on Linux > > Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-openlvm/ > > > > > -- > AJ Lewis > Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 > 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 > Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.sistina.com > > Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 > Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey > (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) > > -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote > Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. > -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Your mouse has moved. Windows NT must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? [ OK ] -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:35:51PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: > >>>>> ">" == AJ Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like > >> the message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were > >> not rejecting mail because of content. The ML server was rejecting > >> it because the address was not subscribed. Our idea was that we > >> don't want spam. If it's completely unmoderated, then we will get > >> a *lot* of spam. > > The mail states it's been forwarded to the moderator, yes I just got > one. Thats another issue here, Cc'ing a closed mailing list when > posting to an open list like linux-kernel is rude (but thats just a > minor issue in this discussion). The list is open now. Sorry for the inconvenience and misunderstanding. Hopefully this is a non-issue now. > >> Did anyone bother to e-mail the list admins? Perhaps it was too > >> difficult to figure out who to mail about this, but I know for a > >> fact that Rik van Riel and Jens Axboe could post to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would have been nice if they had > >> mentioned something to us. > > I know that Jens posted to linux-lvm-admin two days ago and didn't get > a response. Hmm...our admin was testing LVM + GFS on his laptop on linux 2.4 and lost some mail due to file corruption a couple of days ago...that's probably what happened to it. :( Regards, -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:29PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: > This was tried, trust me. We didn't create this list because someone > forgot to respond to a single posting. As we wrote in the announcement > there has been too many incidents: At least two people got kicked off > the old lvm list for posting comments about the latest release using > lower bits in pointers to store data. Other people have posted patches > for serious bugs like NULL pointer dereferences and the postings were > denied. Another person complained about the behavior and got no > response. What are you talking about??? Got kicked off? If so, it was not intentional, I can assure you. That would just be stupid. As far as patches being rejected, refer to the e-mail I just sent. > For modules included in the Linux kernel, an open development forum is > a minimum requirement. Who asked for this? Who did you talk to? I haven't seen anything to this effect for months. -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Over and over I find being redundant is key to success in the art of redundancy - Jay Armstrong -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > Well their approach to patches that fix bugs is to reject emails. They've done > that to stuff I've reported any many others. So there is a problem. And its > kind of hard to discuss a problem when you are being moderated out of existance. Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like the message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were not rejecting mail because of content. The ML server was rejecting it because the address was not subscribed. Our idea was that we don't want spam. If it's completely unmoderated, then we will get a *lot* of spam. Did anyone bother to e-mail the list admins? Perhaps it was too difficult to figure out who to mail about this, but I know for a fact that Rik van Riel and Jens Axboe could post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would have been nice if they had mentioned something to us. > The openlvm list is open to existing LVM hackers too.. True, but it seems silly to duplicate the load if it's not necessary. Regards, -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Sometimes I have a difficult time handling myself in social situations. I just start scampering around neurotically, frantically jumping all over guests. I think it all goes back to when I was raised in the wild by miniature schnauzers. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not acceptable. It would have been nice if you'd actually tried to work this out instead of handling it this way. Regards, AJ Lewis On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 07:51:52PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: > Hi > > I would like to announce the creation of the openlvm mailing list for > discussion about maintenance and further development of the Linux > Logical Volume Manager (LVM). > > The new mailing list is named linux-openlvm and hosted at > nl.linux.org, you can subscribe to the list by posting to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and postings should go to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] The list is unmoderated and open to > postings from individuals who are not subscribed to the list as it is > good practice for all open development lists. > > We have found it necessary to create the new list as the current LVM > development proces is closed and does not take input from the > community. We have experienced numerous incidents of postings to the > old mailing list with patches, on topic questions and comments about > the LVM code that have been rejected by the list moderator. We find > this completely unacceptable just as it is hindering development that > a development mailing list is being so mismoderated. > > Please welcome the new list and join in on the development and > discussions. > > Sincerly, > Jens Axboe > Arjan van de Ven > Martin Petersen > Rik van Riel > Jes Sorensen > - > Linux-openlvm: open list for LVM on Linux > Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-openlvm/ > -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not acceptable. It would have been nice if you'd actually tried to work this out instead of handling it this way. Regards, AJ Lewis On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 07:51:52PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: Hi I would like to announce the creation of the openlvm mailing list for discussion about maintenance and further development of the Linux Logical Volume Manager (LVM). The new mailing list is named linux-openlvm and hosted at nl.linux.org, you can subscribe to the list by posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and postings should go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The list is unmoderated and open to postings from individuals who are not subscribed to the list as it is good practice for all open development lists. We have found it necessary to create the new list as the current LVM development proces is closed and does not take input from the community. We have experienced numerous incidents of postings to the old mailing list with patches, on topic questions and comments about the LVM code that have been rejected by the list moderator. We find this completely unacceptable just as it is hindering development that a development mailing list is being so mismoderated. Please welcome the new list and join in on the development and discussions. Sincerly, Jens Axboe Arjan van de Ven Martin Petersen Rik van Riel Jes Sorensen - Linux-openlvm: open list for LVM on Linux Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-openlvm/ -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:02:50PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Well their approach to patches that fix bugs is to reject emails. They've done that to stuff I've reported any many others. So there is a problem. And its kind of hard to discuss a problem when you are being moderated out of existance. Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like the message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were not rejecting mail because of content. The ML server was rejecting it because the address was not subscribed. Our idea was that we don't want spam. If it's completely unmoderated, then we will get a *lot* of spam. Did anyone bother to e-mail the list admins? Perhaps it was too difficult to figure out who to mail about this, but I know for a fact that Rik van Riel and Jens Axboe could post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would have been nice if they had mentioned something to us. The openlvm list is open to existing LVM hackers too.. True, but it seems silly to duplicate the load if it's not necessary. Regards, -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Sometimes I have a difficult time handling myself in social situations. I just start scampering around neurotically, frantically jumping all over guests. I think it all goes back to when I was raised in the wild by miniature schnauzers. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:17:29PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: This was tried, trust me. We didn't create this list because someone forgot to respond to a single posting. As we wrote in the announcement there has been too many incidents: At least two people got kicked off the old lvm list for posting comments about the latest release using lower bits in pointers to store data. Other people have posted patches for serious bugs like NULL pointer dereferences and the postings were denied. Another person complained about the behavior and got no response. What are you talking about??? Got kicked off? If so, it was not intentional, I can assure you. That would just be stupid. As far as patches being rejected, refer to the e-mail I just sent. For modules included in the Linux kernel, an open development forum is a minimum requirement. Who asked for this? Who did you talk to? I haven't seen anything to this effect for months. -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Over and over I find being redundant is key to success in the art of redundancy - Jay Armstrong -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 09:35:51PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: "" == AJ Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm...i guess there is a communication issue here. It sounds like the message that our ML server was sending was misleading. We were not rejecting mail because of content. The ML server was rejecting it because the address was not subscribed. Our idea was that we don't want spam. If it's completely unmoderated, then we will get a *lot* of spam. The mail states it's been forwarded to the moderator, yes I just got one. Thats another issue here, Cc'ing a closed mailing list when posting to an open list like linux-kernel is rude (but thats just a minor issue in this discussion). The list is open now. Sorry for the inconvenience and misunderstanding. Hopefully this is a non-issue now. Did anyone bother to e-mail the list admins? Perhaps it was too difficult to figure out who to mail about this, but I know for a fact that Rik van Riel and Jens Axboe could post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would have been nice if they had mentioned something to us. I know that Jens posted to linux-lvm-admin two days ago and didn't get a response. Hmm...our admin was testing LVM + GFS on his laptop on linux 2.4 and lost some mail due to file corruption a couple of days ago...that's probably what happened to it. :( Regards, -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
The list is now open. I've talked to our admin and he's opening it up. Send me e-mail if it doesn't work, 'cause something else is broken. All it would have taken was a request and a good reason for doing so, but I guess this is one way to do it. Just don't complain about spam. :) Regards, AJ Lewis On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:29:27PM -0500, AJ Lewis wrote: It is unfortunate that this could not have been resolved in a more mature manner. Saying "I don't like the way somebody is doing something. I won't bother to talk to them about it, I'll just flame them and try to undermine their work." is not acceptable. It would have been nice if you'd actually tried to work this out instead of handling it this way. Regards, AJ Lewis On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 07:51:52PM +0200, Jes Sorensen wrote: Hi I would like to announce the creation of the openlvm mailing list for discussion about maintenance and further development of the Linux Logical Volume Manager (LVM). The new mailing list is named linux-openlvm and hosted at nl.linux.org, you can subscribe to the list by posting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and postings should go to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The list is unmoderated and open to postings from individuals who are not subscribed to the list as it is good practice for all open development lists. We have found it necessary to create the new list as the current LVM development proces is closed and does not take input from the community. We have experienced numerous incidents of postings to the old mailing list with patches, on topic questions and comments about the LVM code that have been rejected by the list moderator. We find this completely unacceptable just as it is hindering development that a development mailing list is being so mismoderated. Please welcome the new list and join in on the development and discussions. Sincerly, Jens Axboe Arjan van de Ven Martin Petersen Rik van Riel Jes Sorensen - Linux-openlvm: open list for LVM on Linux Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-openlvm/ -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Your mouse has moved. Windows NT must be restarted for the change to take effect. Reboot now? [ OK ] -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:45:20PM -0600, Andreas Dilger wrote: I don't think that the subscription is necessarily the only issue. I'm subscribed to all of the LVM mailing lists, and still a lot of what I submit (legitimate bug fixes, and not just features/code cleanup) does not get added to CVS. Yes, the no-possible-harm patches like man pages went in, but not other stuff. Also, it doesn't appear that any of the LVM changes are making it into the stock kernel, which is basically a recepie for disaster. Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It would be stupid to just add everything that comes in on the ML without review. Linus does the exact same thing. I've said this before to you Andreas, but apparently you feel that you should have final say on whether your patches go in or not. As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. Basically, I'm at the point where trying to create clean patches from my LVM source tree to apply to CVS is so much work it is hardly worth it. I'm seriously looking at devoting the time I used to spend on LVM to the EVMS project instead. They (appear to) have in-kernel LVM support working already, so no user tools needed for VG/LV activation. Granted, they don't yet have tools to create/modify VG/LVs, but I think I can help them there. It appears more likely that EVMS will only support Linux LVM volumes for compatibility, and move to a more robust on-disk format for metadata. The openlvm list may change my mind, I'll see. Cheers, Andreas -- Andreas Dilger \ "If a man ate a pound of pasta and a pound of antipasto, \ would they cancel out, leaving him still hungry?" http://www-mddsp.enel.ucalgary.ca/People/adilger/ -- Dogbert ___ linux-lvm mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Carpe Aptenodytes! (Seize the Penguins!) -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: [linux-lvm] Re: [repost] Announce: Linux-OpenLVM mailing list
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 04:09:32PM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: AJ Lewis wrote: Ok, the issue here is that we're trying to get a release out and so anything that majorly changes the code is getting shunted aside for the moment. It would be stupid to just add everything that comes in on the ML without review. Linus does the exact same thing. I've said this before to you Andreas, but apparently you feel that you should have final say on whether your patches go in or not. As far as getting patches into the stock kernel, we've been sending patches to Linus for over a month now, and none of them have made it in. Maybe someone has some pointers on how we get our code past his filters. Read Documentation/SubmittingPatches, and also listen to kernel hackers who know the block layer and want to fix lvm. And I wonder, if kernel hackers are saying lvm is broken... why do you want to freeze it and ship it in that state? Hmm...perhaps I didn't make myself clear. AFAIK Heinz is not putting cosmetic changes into the CVS. The team should be putting fixes in. If they aren't it's because they are dealing with backlog. As far as the smaller patches go. I know. We're working on it; really we are. Regards, -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased Scotsman. - Groundskeeper Willie -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: smartmedia adapter support??
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:00:41AM -0600, Tim Walberg wrote: > Just wondering whether anyone has successfully gotten > either a PCMCIA SmartMedia Adapter (specifically the > Viking Components one) or a FlashPath floppy SmartMedia > adapter working under 2.4.x. I've got both, and haven't > gotten either working under either 2.2.x or 2.4.x, but > I haven't had the time to work real hard at it either, > so I'm hoping someone can give me some pointers... I have a Simple Technology PCMCIA adapter that just worked when I compiled the PCMCIA modules for my kernel. It just looks like an IDE hard drive to linux and shows up as an /dev/hdxx device. -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote FATAL ERROR! SYSTEM HALTED! - Press any key to do nothing... -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: devfs and /proc/ide/hda
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:23PM +0100, Guest section DW wrote: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:52:54PM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote: > > > Im running kernel 2.4.1, I have entries like /proc/ide/hda, > > /proc/ide/ide0/hda etc irrespective of wether im using devfs or > > traditional device names. > > > > Is always using traditional device names for /proc/ide intentional, or > > is it something nobody has gotten around to fixing yet? > > If only humans look at /proc, and they like typing long names, > then there is no objection against changing /proc. > As it is, however, quite a few programs look at /proc for > information about devices. I don't think it would be a good > idea to "fix" /proc and simultaneously break all these programs. What it should do is change based on whether devfs is mounted or not. It doesn't make *any* sense to have /dev/ide/host0/foo/bar in your /proc/partitions entries if you aren't mounting devfs. The /proc/partitions entry is the only way I know of for something like LVM to determine which devices to scan for Volume Groups. If you can't read /proc/partitions, it has to attempt to scan all block devices it recognizes, regardless of whether they are actually on the system or not. This can take several minutes. -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: devfs and /proc/ide/hda
On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:10:23PM +0100, Guest section DW wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 08:52:54PM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote: Im running kernel 2.4.1, I have entries like /proc/ide/hda, /proc/ide/ide0/hda etc irrespective of wether im using devfs or traditional device names. Is always using traditional device names for /proc/ide intentional, or is it something nobody has gotten around to fixing yet? If only humans look at /proc, and they like typing long names, then there is no objection against changing /proc. As it is, however, quite a few programs look at /proc for information about devices. I don't think it would be a good idea to "fix" /proc and simultaneously break all these programs. What it should do is change based on whether devfs is mounted or not. It doesn't make *any* sense to have /dev/ide/host0/foo/bar in your /proc/partitions entries if you aren't mounting devfs. The /proc/partitions entry is the only way I know of for something like LVM to determine which devices to scan for Volume Groups. If you can't read /proc/partitions, it has to attempt to scan all block devices it recognizes, regardless of whether they are actually on the system or not. This can take several minutes. -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
Re: smartmedia adapter support??
On Thu, Mar 01, 2001 at 10:00:41AM -0600, Tim Walberg wrote: Just wondering whether anyone has successfully gotten either a PCMCIA SmartMedia Adapter (specifically the Viking Components one) or a FlashPath floppy SmartMedia adapter working under 2.4.x. I've got both, and haven't gotten either working under either 2.2.x or 2.4.x, but I haven't had the time to work real hard at it either, so I'm hoping someone can give me some pointers... I have a Simple Technology PCMCIA adapter that just worked when I compiled the PCMCIA modules for my kernel. It just looks like an IDE hard drive to linux and shows up as an /dev/hdxx device. -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote FATAL ERROR! SYSTEM HALTED! - Press any key to do nothing... -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
*** ANNOUNCEMENT *** LVM 0.9.1 beta4 available at www.sistina.com
The following message is from Heinz Mauelshagen, who unfortunately cannot send it out himself today. Message follows -> Hi all, a tarball of the Linux Logical Volume Manager 0.9.1 beta4 is available now at <http://www.sistina.com/> for download (Follow the "LVM download page" link). This release fixes several bugs. See the CHANGELOG file contained in the tarball for further information. Please help us to stabilize for 0.9.1 ASAP and test it like hell ;-) Feed back related information to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Thanks a lot for your support of LVM. - -- Regards, Heinz-- The LVM Guy -- *** Software bugs are stupid. Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them *** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software Inc. Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang 11 56242 Marienrachdorf Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49 2626 141200 FAX 924446 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --- End of Forwarded Message -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Programming graphics in X is like finding sqrt(pi) using Roman numerals. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
*** ANNOUNCEMENT *** LVM 0.9.1 beta4 available at www.sistina.com
The following message is from Heinz Mauelshagen, who unfortunately cannot send it out himself today. Message follows - Hi all, a tarball of the Linux Logical Volume Manager 0.9.1 beta4 is available now at http://www.sistina.com/ for download (Follow the "LVM download page" link). This release fixes several bugs. See the CHANGELOG file contained in the tarball for further information. Please help us to stabilize for 0.9.1 ASAP and test it like hell ;-) Feed back related information to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Thanks a lot for your support of LVM. - -- Regards, Heinz-- The LVM Guy -- *** Software bugs are stupid. Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them *** =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software Inc. Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang 11 56242 Marienrachdorf Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49 2626 141200 FAX 924446 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --- End of Forwarded Message -- AJ Lewis Sistina Software Inc. Voice: 612-379-3951 1313 5th St SE, Suite 111 Fax:612-379-3952 Minneapolis, MN 55414 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sistina.com Current GPG fingerprint = 3B5F 6011 5216 76A5 2F6B 52A0 941E 1261 0029 2648 Get my key at: http://www.sistina.com/~lewis/gpgkey (Unfortunately, the PKS-type keyservers do not work with multiple sub-keys) -Begin Obligatory Humorous Quote Programming graphics in X is like finding sqrt(pi) using Roman numerals. -End Obligatory Humorous Quote-- PGP signature
